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Democratic Debate (2 Viewers)

squistion said:
Doesn't matter. Won't be an issue in the general campaign. Doubt whoever the GOP candidate is will bring it up, they don't want their speeches to private parties released either (see Romney 47%).
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It's cynical and manipulative for the purposes of the Democratic primary though.

However I really wonder who would have been foolish or obsessive enough to keep transcripts besides Hillary.

 
BassNBrew said:
Except that Trump brought it up first.

The only to an extant that Hillary was right about was that she attempted to stake positions on every side of the issue.
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Yeah, I thought about that, but Trump did it in a very simplistic and ignorant way, like he does most things. At least Bernie understood some of the details. I don't know if Trump really knows anything about it. If I asked Trump the difference between Gaza and the West Bank right now, I strongly doubt he could tell me. 

 
squistion said:
How do we know she actually kept transcripts? Has she said that? I think there are recordings or videos of the speeches and I would imagine that is what is being referred to.
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They just said on CNN that she required it or something like that - they're out there.  

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, I thought about that, but Trump did it in a very simplistic and ignorant way, like he does most things. At least Bernie understood some of the details. I don't know if Trump really knows anything about it. If I asked Trump the difference between Gaza and the West Bank right now, I strongly doubt he could tell me. 
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I'm waiting for someone to ask him what NATO means.

 
BassNBrew said:
Except that Trump brought it up first.
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Trump also brought up the rejigging of NATO, at least from a cost sharing standpoint, and this was discussed at the Dem debate tonight as well.  Seems like every time Trump raises a new issue it first gets dumped on as absurd, and then a couple weeks later it is proven to be a legitimate item for discussion.

 
When Bernie said "we need a more evenhanded approach", Hillary could have said, "We've had that under Barack Obama." Which is true. 

 
squistion said:
How do we know she actually kept transcripts? Has she said that? I think there are recordings or videos of the speeches and I would imagine that is what is being referred to.
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Her rider required the company to pay for someone to transcribe it.

 
There's a lot of folks around here that want Sanders to win the nomination - I'm one of those, but Sanders has already done this country a great service - if he wasn't running does anybody believe Hillary would be supporting some of the things she now claims to support?  $15 min wage, affordable college, and others?

I think he's changed the landscape for the better no matter the outcome

 
Higgs said:
You lawyers hate when #### gets written down don't you?
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I write stuff down every day. But I never write something down in my work life unless I feel comfortable seeing it on a 6' x 6' screen in front of the jury at trial.

 
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AAABatteries said:
There's a lot of folks around here that want Sanders to win the nomination - I'm one of those, but Sanders has already done this country a great service - if he wasn't running does anybody believe Hillary would be supporting some of the things she now claims to support?  $15 min wage, affordable college, and others?

I think he's changed the landscape for the better no matter the outcome
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Wrong answer, she will not follow through on any of it.   Just saying what she needs to to win.

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, I thought about that, but Trump did it in a very simplistic and ignorant way, like he does most things. At least Bernie understood some of the details. I don't know if Trump really knows anything about it. If I asked Trump the difference between Gaza and the West Bank right now, I strongly doubt he could tell me. 
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Yet simplistic and ignorant trumps anything Hillary brings to the table.  This is another issues that we'll look back on in 20-30 years and say, Bernie was right again.

That said, you may be right.  Electing someone who knows some trivia about Gaza is much more important than a few Jews and Palestinians getting mowed down.

 
timschochet said:
Also when Bernie said twice "At AIPAC you never mentioned the Palestinians", Hillary could have said, "At least I showed up." 
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And Bernie could say, You could show up at the Vatican.  Oh yeah, Pope Francis didn't have enough Holy Water stockpiled to invite you.

 
Henry Ford said:
I write stuff down every day. But I never write something down in my work life unless I feel comfortable seeing it on a 6' x 6' screen in front of the jury at trial.
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Just playing.  Hey, curious about your thoughts on Bernie's strategy of laying off the email scandal.  Just insane in my opinion.  Such a legitimate issue to criticize her on, regardless of criminality.  Points to bad judgment and flawed decision making, one of his most effective avenues of attack against her (used it on her Iraq decision, Libya, emails would have wrapped it all up in a nice bow).  I know he wants to play the good guy and not look dirty, but it's not dirty at all raising that issue.  It's almost a requirement at this point, and his reluctance to do it looks like nepotism or plain old weakness.

 
BassNBrew said:
Yet simplistic and ignorant trumps anything Hillary brings to the table.  This is another issues that we'll look back on in 20-30 years and say, Bernie was right again.

That said, you may be right.  Electing someone who knows some trivia about Gaza is much more important than a few Jews and Palestinians getting mowed down.
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Strongly disagree with you on all counts here. As usual. 

 
Higgs said:
Just playing.  Hey, curious about your thoughts on Bernie's strategy of laying off the email scandal.  Just insane in my opinion.  Such a legitimate issue to criticize her on, regardless of criminality.  Points to bad judgment and flawed decision making, one of his most effective avenues of attack against her (used it on her Iraq decision, Libya, emails would have wrapped it all up in a nice bow).  I know he wants to play the good guy and not look dirty, but it's not dirty at all raising that issue.  It's almost a requirement at this point, and his reluctance to do it looks like nepotism or plain old weakness.
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He said months ago he was tired of hearing about it. Bringing it up now takes him down to her level

 
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msommer said:
No

He said months ago he was tired of hearing about it. Bringing it up now takes him down to her level
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How does it bring him down to her level if he focuses on the issue as it relates to his prevailing narrative that she has a pattern of questionable decisions?  It's much more relevant and less dirty than all the #### she is pulling on him.

I do think it's problematic to bring it up so late in the game, but he could manage that.  He could say that new information has come to light, etc.  I don't know, feels like the Nationals sitting out Strasberg for the playoffs a few years ago because he reached a seasonal pitch count.  You're going down with your best weapon not being used.

 
Trey said:
I can't put my finger on the Obama-Clinton dynamic. I tend to agree with you but then I wonder why Biden didn't run if that's the case. 

Obamas legacy now depends on Clinton becoming the next POTUS. Otherwise a great deal of what he accomplishes goes out the window under a republican.

well definitely never know the full story with them. 
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Nonsense. Obama has his legacy independent of the next POTUS. If it's Hillary, we'll see a step backward. She'll fall on her face. If it's Bernie, Obama was the gateway forward. Either way, there's been progress from the vast abyss that Obama emerged from.

 
Higgs said:
How does it bring him down to her level if he focuses on the issue as it relates to his prevailing narrative that she has a pattern of questionable decisions?  It's much more relevant and less dirty than all the #### she is pulling on him.

I do think it's problematic to bring it up so late in the game, but he could manage that.  He could say that new information has come to light, etc.  I don't know, feels like the Nationals sitting out Strasberg for the playoffs a few years ago because he reached a seasonal pitch count.  You're going down with your best weapon not being used.
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He took it out of his playbook. How does putting it back in fit his image of integrity?
Hint: It doesn't and that's why e is keeping it out, and showing he won't stoop to her level.

You may argue that it was not a smart play to remove it but that is a differnt discussion.

 
@DavidShuster: It's true, as @HillaryClinton said, that she won '06 NY race by unprecedented margin.  But that's because she ran unopposed.

Oof

 
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