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Week 1 Snap Report:"Jacoby Ford was the No. 2 wideout with 36 snaps played, but rookie Denarius Moore was just six back of him. Moore spent a majority of those snaps blocking, however, and ran just 11 routes."
So, "name the last consisentent [sic] fantasy WR from Oakland, not named Tim Brown. And Jerry Rice doesn't count.?"OK, name the last consistent fantasy WR from Detroit not named Calvin Johnson, and Mike Furrey and Roy Williams don't count.
Get him while you still can. Al may control the defense, but he's always given the offense to his head coaches. Hue Jax was reportedly very fond of DMoe in preseason and it's translating now.This is a team that's going to be forced to score a lot of points this year to be competitive.
There is no 'We'll see.' I am not making a prediction, I was fixing your incorrect statement. People that may be trying to make a decision on Moore, you don't want part of their decision based on statements they may take as fact that aren't close to correct (For example: What you said).
WINNING!
It's funny you mention Miles Austin, because this situation reminds me a bit of Miles's breakout. Both had strong preseasons with some people wondering if they would shine, had quiet beginnings to the regular season, and then exploded. After his coming out party (10-250-2), there were threads everywhere about people debating whether or not he was a one week wonder, or if he would stick. People were arguing that he wouldn't see enough balls because of all the other weapons, and that he still had Roy Williams (lol) and Patrick Crayton (double lol) in front of him (for more lols, check out this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=497356&hl=miles%20austin&st=0). A lot of people were also suggesting Romo was ####ty, and would hold Austin back. Well, we all know how that turned out... Austin finished with 81-1320-11 TDs in essentially 11 games. Those numbers are beyond elite, especially if you extrapolate to a full 16 games. I don't want to take the analogy too far, and I'm probably unfairly cherry picking one success story. But, this is an example of where you have to sit back and realize that talent will rise to the top. Austin showed his talent, but a lot of people doubted all types of things about his situation. That's no guarantee that Denarius Moore will finish as a top 10 WR, but he obviously has the talent to make a big impact on this year, especially as his coach is singing his praises and saying he'll definitely be seeing playing time.
I think he meant Mike Williams TB. Or some Ukranian forward. Who knows.
Ditto for me - took Moore in a keeper league and dropped him after the 1 target 0 catch wk 1. So frustrating.
Two things about that highlight video... McKelvin is no slouch, and Moore just out ran him and out played him for those catches.. Moore wasn't playing like a rookie. And second, was that DHB being the first one to congradulate him on the sideline? At least DHB is a good team mateFYP.BTW, in regards to the video, as a D.Moore dynasty owner, it moved.
I drafted him late third in rookie draft. I wouldn't sell him for a 2nd, even if that is 'fair'.Don't know how an owner who drafted a guy with that kinda preseason hype, who breaks out week2, is gonna want to move him at all. Try to buy if he has a few duds later in the season.
He will come down to earth, but it won't be due to lack of talent, even Cam Newton is gonna come down to earth, they're rookies, they're bound to sooner or later aren't they?
I do not.
You took him in the 3rd in Zealots or another league? Cause Zealots drafts go early and I don't know if anyone drafted him that high. I don't think I've seen him even go in the 4th. But I'm thinking maybe a 2nd and a little something else will get it done.
The big difference between Austin and Denarius is situation. You write "A lot of people were also suggesting Romo was ####ty, and would hold Austin back.", but I don't remember that and I struggle to imagine that that was ever the case. Romo threw for 4200+ yards and 36 TDs in 2007, and was on pace for similar numbers in '08 except he missed 3 games due to injury. And then Miles broke out in 2009. Romo was/is throwing ~550 times a year.Moore has Campbell throwing to him, someone who's never thrown for more than 20 (twenty) TDs in a year and no more than 3650 yards in a year. In his one previous Raiders season, he threw for under 3000 yards, less than 20 TDs, and was on pace for ~400 pass attempts before injury. The Raiders best player is arguably their RB that they hand off to a lot. So although Denarius can breakout and be a top 20 WR, there's essentially no chance of him breaking out to the degree that he'll be the WR3 at the end of the season, even with 15 starts on the season; and that's based simply on situation.
Not Zealots. Dynasty draft after preseason week 2. Still, why would someone in dynasty sell him now for a 2nd? Lots of 2nd round picks bust. This guy has shown something in week 2 of his rookie year. No reason to trade a guy who has shown something for a possiblity next year.
Thanks.
I'm on the train. Just traded for Moore. A throw-in on a McFadden for Charles deal. All Raiders all the time baby...
I just had to bump this post. This trade has to be the trade of the season. 
atsback:Solid analysis with good stat backup here. However, talent will often change situation. Does Moore have what it takes to change the nature and complexity of the Raiders offense? Great players change teams. Moore could improve the Raiders passing game. He already has in his big opportunity. The Raiders typically haven't been able to compete in big scoring ball games. But, they did Sunday.
I was thinking about bumping the thread when you said the Raiders were gonna beat the Bills but I decided not to... haha (just kidding)
Yes, I agree that Romo >> Campbell. However, at the time of Austin's breakout, there were people in the Shark Pool saying Romo was a below average QB. Looking back, it seems like the reasons are probably related to his poor start to the 2009 season (in weeks 2-4, he had 1 TD/4 INTs), and a poor performance to end 2008 in what was essentially a playoff game (183 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT) in a 6-44 loss to Philly. In hindsight, its pretty clear that Romo wasn't nearly as bad as people were thinking, but of course that was just typical shark pool overreaction. And, I don't think Denarius Moore can be Miles Austin. Miles Austin can't even be Miles Austin. There's a lot of things that I can think of that Austin had that Moore doesn't (not a rookie in a lockout season, an owner vocally supporting him, a lot more targets in his breakout, etc.), not to mention the QB situation. But, I do think that Denarius is talented enough to not write off as a "one-week wonder," and I was using the Miles Austin example to demonstrate why we shouldn't ignore Denarius.
I was thinking about bumping the thread when you said the Raiders were gonna beat the Bills but I decided not to... haha (just kidding)
The defensive intensity in the second half is concerning. If we had kept our D coordinator from last year Jim Marshall, and not hired a bush league has been D Coordinator Chuck Bresnahan, the game would have ended differently. No way a 3 TD lead should ever be in danger.
A fuller quote from Jackson:"Oh, boy, you better believe he has," Jackson said. "There's no doubt. You can't deny that one. What the guy's doing, as I said before, he's done it in training camp, he's done it in practice, he's done it in preseason games, and he's dong it in regular season games. He is as advertised."
Most of the owners who drafted him shortly after the draft in the 5th and 6th rounds had no idea what they had in him when they took him.
I spent a fourth rounder on him in my rookie draft, back during preseason. He is definitely worth a 2nd rounder, but his owner would be insane to trade him.
I drafted him at the end of the 1st in my rookie draft and I'm holding.
This is the correct answer. I got him cheaper than the J.Jones/AJ Green owner's and I honestly expected him to outperform them both(considering the hype and listening to the coaches) when I drafted him. Hell, I passed on Cobb, Young, and all the other WRs that were available with Jones and Green already taken. The only difference (at least in my mind) between Moore and Jones/Green is that they received more hype while in college and Moore has gotten more hype at the NFL level.
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Agreed - I was in awe at the TD Catch. There were a couple of amazing catches where he literally plucked the ball from the defender. I feel bad for McKelvin.This is the greatest link in the history if the Internet.
Their situations are strangely similar. Got the start with the top WR's on their team out. Neither has the greatest pass offense or QB throwing them the ball. The main difference IMO is that while Moore has more bodies technically in front of him, they are less proven. Lloyd is the clear #1 in Denver. Also, Moore is the kind of WR who QB's love to chuck it to - like Hakeem Nicks or Dez Bryant. He seems to get 2 hands on any ball in his vicinity.With priority 1, I say go for Moore.
It depends if you're tlaking dynasty vs. redraft. In dynasty there is simply no way. I subscribe to the theory that talent trumps situation in dynasty. IMHO, Moore >> Decker in terms of talent.Now in redraft it's a better discussion. Orton is probably a better QB than Campbell but the Raiders have a better running game. I guess part of it comes down to how long you think Lloyd will be shelved and when you think you're going to need Moore.
Love it.During live draft in sig, the guy slapping the names on the draft board just looks at me and shakes his head, then goes "you come write that one up" amid a chorus of "oh, here we go again" catcalls. Probably time for some message board smack down but I'd rather just enjoy knowing I have him in 6/9 leagues.Had a few comments too, like "oh boy this year's Kareem Huggins"
He's doing what now in regular season games?
