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Denarius Moore - CIncinnatti Bengals (1 Viewer)

Okay, I am torn. I don't want to bench Moore this weekend, he should have a very nice day vs the Patriots. But I have Calvin, Fitz, Smith Panthers, and Santana Moss. Who do I bench from this group to get Moore in my starting line up? Or do I suck it up and sit this future hall of famer? ;)
Not sure how many you start.I'm going with him as my #1 this week in a start-2 league. Sure, any of the other WRs on my team could best him, but they're all inconsistent.

Denarius Moore

Brandon Lloyd

Steve Smith CAR

Mike Williams TB

Eric Decker

I'm kinda waffling on Steve Smith versus Brandon Lloyd, but that's another conversation.

Point is, I'm putting him in at #1 until he flops, and seeing if he can build on it. Given the rest of my WRs, I think he has near the most upside. They all have the same downside: dud week.

 
If the Raiders were not playing the Patriots this week I would not give Moore much thought. I want to say he has already had his best 2 games of the year but the way the Patriots defend he could have 1 more. I see him as another guy that people grab after he has his best games and in 2 weeks is cut again and forgot about.
Well he's only played in 3!Seriously though, why? Just because early season hype doesn't always work out? That's not very compelling.
No, because he just is not that talented. he runs bad routes. he has bad hands. should I keep going?

There is a reason he was took in the 5th round and if he was not on such a horribly talented WR core you would of never heard his name.

That being said, Campbell has to throw to somebody this week so I would not be suprised with a 5 catch 80 yard performance.but I also would not be suprised if his name was not mentioned at all.
I heard his name a lot.. from the Oakland beat writers claiming he was the best player on the field in training camp almost every day. Where were you?
Dusting off his Patrick Crayton signed 8 x 10? :shrug:
 
There is a reason he was took in the 5th round
There is. it had something to do with the Tennessee offense, QB, coaching debacle, and scouts just missing him. Runs bad routes? Bad hands? Where is this coming from? Your own observations? Coaching tape? Your ###?
 
Debating him vs. Santonio vs. Ravens after pissing and moaning about not being involved in the offense vs. L. Moore vs JAX with Colston returning.

Current lean:

Holmes (but faltering 'cause I just don't like Sanchez against Balt D, but it is a prime time game where one wants to shine brightest)

D. Moore

L. Moore

Any other Moore receivers I can acquire :excited:

 
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If the Raiders were not playing the Patriots this week I would not give Moore much thought. I want to say he has already had his best 2 games of the year but the way the Patriots defend he could have 1 more. I see him as another guy that people grab after he has his best games and in 2 weeks is cut again and forgot about.
Well he's only played in 3!Seriously though, why? Just because early season hype doesn't always work out? That's not very compelling.
No, because he just is not that talented. he runs bad routes. he has bad hands. should I keep going?

There is a reason he was took in the 5th round and if he was not on such a horribly talented WR core you would of never heard his name.

That being said, Campbell has to throw to somebody this week so I would not be suprised with a 5 catch 80 yard performance.but I also would not be suprised if his name was not mentioned at all.
Wow. You sound like a troll. Or you haven't seen Moore play. Or you are inexperienced. "Bad hands?" You've got to be kidding. I would suggest getting rid of the draft position blinders and just assess the player's skill for yourself. Otherwise you will be holding on to a DHB for years thinking he must have elite talent to be drafted seventh overall while everybody else scoops up the real talent capable of performing at the NFL level.
A troll would not understand if he did not have these bad traits he would of already been a stud with 4.45 speed and would of went way higher than the 5th.
Ah. So you really believe the NFL scouts can't make mistakes. I see. The NFL scouts were dead on about these guys below, all drafted in the late rounds, right?Tom Brady

Donald Driver

Marques Colston

Mark Bulger

Tony Romo

Kurt Warner

Priest Holmes

Terrell Davis

Rod Smith

Antonio Gates

In Moore's case, you are already seeing talent evaluators admitting they were wrong about the guy. http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18955325

Your loss if you can't consider the possibility low round picks can, and often do, become stars.
I know low round guys can have a impact. don't get me wrong. and I hope you are right and he blows up for your fantasy team. I think the Raiders just have horrible WR's and any 1 of them on any given day can produce because of it.

As I said to the previous poster I would take Crayton before I would take Moore.
:lmao:
 
I own both Ford *and* Moore, and I'm thinking about putting them both in my lineup this Sunday. (As an aside, is it bad FF strategy to start two WR's from the same team? I don't think there's any downside, but it seems a little odd and wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything). Either way, I will definitely start Moore over Tampa Mike.

 
I own both Ford *and* Moore, and I'm thinking about putting them both in my lineup this Sunday. (As an aside, is it bad FF strategy to start two WR's from the same team? I don't think there's any downside, but it seems a little odd and wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything). Either way, I will definitely start Moore over Tampa Mike.
Re:2 WR from same team - in theory, no (Fitz/Boldin, Wayne/Harrison etc). In practice, with the 2011 Raiders, yes.
 
As I said to the previous poster I would take Crayton before I would take Moore.
Fun fact: Patrick Crayton was good for 60 fantasy points over the entire 2010 season (10 yds/pt, 6pts/TD). In two games, Moore has 35 fantasy points, over half of Crayton's season total. He'll probably break 60 in two or three weeks.Granted, Crayton missed four games last year due to injury. But that's still a pretty big disparity. If you'd seriously take Crayton over Moore in your draft, I want to be in your league so I can spend the entire season ripping you off on trades like this.
 
It's been a long time since I've been able to carry Raider players with pride on my roster.

DMC

Moore

Bush

I go as they do this year. I have contingencies if it doesn't work out, but as of right now, I'm stoked to have these three.

 
'chinawildman said:
You know Moore's going to be an impact fantasy player when he already has haters in week 4 of his rookie season.
I love how hate reigns supreme when guys have missed out on a player.It'll never end.
 
'chinawildman said:
You know Moore's going to be an impact fantasy player when he already has haters in week 4 of his rookie season.
I love how hate reigns supreme when guys have missed out on a player.It'll never end.
:yes: jealousy and envy can really bring down a player's value... :hophead:
We're starting to reach Denarius Moore saturation, and it's bringing an irrational impulse to hate on him and look for any flaw to call him overrated. That is for the owner's who missed the train and are trying to rationalize their loss. I don't understand why or how the psychology of this type of anti-hype or hate begins to grow into hostility. It also is a very telling sign that Moore is indeed worthy of his hype. It’s kind of a backhanded compliment. For those lucky D. Moore owners, try to be understanding and even subtly magnanimous to the haters.
 
'chinawildman said:
You know Moore's going to be an impact fantasy player when he already has haters in week 4 of his rookie season.
I love how hate reigns supreme when guys have missed out on a player.It'll never end.
:yes: jealousy and envy can really bring down a player's value... :hophead:
We're starting to reach Denarius Moore saturation, and it's bringing an irrational impulse to hate on him and look for any flaw to call him overrated. That is for the owner's who missed the train and are trying to rationalize their loss. I don't understand why or how the psychology of this type of anti-hype or hate begins to grow into hostility. It also is a very telling sign that Moore is indeed worthy of his hype. Its kind of a backhanded compliment. For those lucky D. Moore owners, try to be understanding and even subtly magnanimous to the haters.
Well, I tried to temper everyone's expectations to no avail. It's either he's already great or he'll never be. The wait and see approach is only for those of us that need to see more.
 
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'chinawildman said:
You know Moore's going to be an impact fantasy player when he already has haters in week 4 of his rookie season.
I love how hate reigns supreme when guys have missed out on a player.It'll never end.
:yes: jealousy and envy can really bring down a player's value... :hophead:
We're starting to reach Denarius Moore saturation, and it's bringing an irrational impulse to hate on him and look for any flaw to call him overrated. That is for the owner's who missed the train and are trying to rationalize their loss. I don't understand why or how the psychology of this type of anti-hype or hate begins to grow into hostility. It also is a very telling sign that Moore is indeed worthy of his hype. It’s kind of a backhanded compliment. For those lucky D. Moore owners, try to be understanding and even subtly magnanimous to the haters.
Well, I tried to temper everyone's expectations to no avail. It's either he's already great or he'll never be. The wait and see approach is only for those of us that need to see more.
I was lucky enough to get him but I'm a little confused about some of the hype in here. His "breakout" game was great stat-wise and then last week was good because of the run. I definitely feel like there's more to be seen of this guy before any kind of crowning can be done.
 
The Crayton reference reminded me of an old thread from 2009. Guess what the topic was?

Miles Austin new #1?

Here are some of my favorite quotes from that thread:

"Is anybody really thinking that Austin is the sleeper savior waiting on the WW that will bring you the championship? He kept dropping balls that were catchable and if the Cheaps' DEF could finish their tackles, he would have been paste by the end of the game. The only thing I hope is that my rival GM for my next matchup wastes a WW priority on the 'shiny new thing' and finds out that Ausitn is at best, a WR5 for BYE week fodder."

"He might have earned more snaps with his game yesterday. But until the staff decides to bench either Crayton or Williams, he isnt getting starter reps. I personally would like to see him opposite Roy, but the staff likes Crayton too much for that."

"He'll fall into the same waiver wire receiver of the week trap as the rest. Manningham. Garcon. Mossawhatever. Now Austin. Sound familiar? Feast or famine - only guarantee is they will starve in your lineup and feast on your bench. But we'll have an 8 way bidding war in our league for him this week. I won't be one of 'em."

"Miles Austin is the new Massoquoi"

It seems the psychology and responses around breakout receivers is remarkably consistent.

 
'chinawildman said:
You know Moore's going to be an impact fantasy player when he already has haters in week 4 of his rookie season.
I love how hate reigns supreme when guys have missed out on a player.It'll never end.
:yes: jealousy and envy can really bring down a player's value... :hophead:
We're starting to reach Denarius Moore saturation, and it's bringing an irrational impulse to hate on him and look for any flaw to call him overrated. That is for the owner's who missed the train and are trying to rationalize their loss. I don't understand why or how the psychology of this type of anti-hype or hate begins to grow into hostility. It also is a very telling sign that Moore is indeed worthy of his hype. It’s kind of a backhanded compliment. For those lucky D. Moore owners, try to be understanding and even subtly magnanimous to the haters.
Well, I tried to temper everyone's expectations to no avail. It's either he's already great or he'll never be. The wait and see approach is only for those of us that need to see more.
This. He's certainty a top 40 Dynasty WR at this point, maybe even a top 30 Dynasty WR. I think it's a bit premature though to be putting him the top 15 or 20.
 
The Crayton reference reminded me of an old thread from 2009. Guess what the topic was?Miles Austin new #1?Here are some of my favorite quotes from that thread:"Is anybody really thinking that Austin is the sleeper savior waiting on the WW that will bring you the championship? He kept dropping balls that were catchable and if the Cheaps' DEF could finish their tackles, he would have been paste by the end of the game. The only thing I hope is that my rival GM for my next matchup wastes a WW priority on the 'shiny new thing' and finds out that Ausitn is at best, a WR5 for BYE week fodder.""He might have earned more snaps with his game yesterday. But until the staff decides to bench either Crayton or Williams, he isnt getting starter reps. I personally would like to see him opposite Roy, but the staff likes Crayton too much for that.""He'll fall into the same waiver wire receiver of the week trap as the rest. Manningham. Garcon. Mossawhatever. Now Austin. Sound familiar? Feast or famine - only guarantee is they will starve in your lineup and feast on your bench. But we'll have an 8 way bidding war in our league for him this week. I won't be one of 'em.""Miles Austin is the new Massoquoi"It seems the psychology and responses around breakout receivers is remarkably consistent.
:hifive: :goodposting: :thumbup:
 
Denarius Moore once showed me a video of him making love to my wife, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw! To Denarius!

(yes, I'm starting him this week.)

 
If the Raiders were not playing the Patriots this week I would not give Moore much thought. I want to say he has already had his best 2 games of the year but the way the Patriots defend he could have 1 more. I see him as another guy that people grab after he has his best games and in 2 weeks is cut again and forgot about.
Well he's only played in 3!Seriously though, why? Just because early season hype doesn't always work out? That's not very compelling.
No, because he just is not that talented. he runs bad routes. he has bad hands. should I keep going?

There is a reason he was took in the 5th round and if he was not on such a horribly talented WR core you would of never heard his name.

That being said, Campbell has to throw to somebody this week so I would not be suprised with a 5 catch 80 yard performance.but I also would not be suprised if his name was not mentioned at all.
Wow. You sound like a troll. Or you haven't seen Moore play. Or you are inexperienced. "Bad hands?" You've got to be kidding. I would suggest getting rid of the draft position blinders and just assess the player's skill for yourself. Otherwise you will be holding on to a DHB for years thinking he must have elite talent to be drafted seventh overall while everybody else scoops up the real talent capable of performing at the NFL level.
A troll would not understand if he did not have these bad traits he would of already been a stud with 4.45 speed and would of went way higher than the 5th.
Ah. So you really believe the NFL scouts can't make mistakes. I see. The NFL scouts were dead on about these guys below, all drafted in the late rounds, right?Tom Brady

Donald Driver

Marques Colston

Mark Bulger

Tony Romo

Kurt Warner

Priest Holmes

Terrell Davis

Rod Smith

Antonio Gates

In Moore's case, you are already seeing talent evaluators admitting they were wrong about the guy. http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18955325

Your loss if you can't consider the possibility low round picks can, and often do, become stars.
I know low round guys can have a impact. don't get me wrong. and I hope you are right and he blows up for your fantasy team. I think the Raiders just have horrible WR's and any 1 of them on any given day can produce because of it.

As I said to the previous poster I would take Crayton before I would take Moore.
This is :fishing: If it's not, would you like an invite to my league next season?
 
Fantasy: The Denarius Moore Conundrum

September 29th, 2011 | Author: Alessandro Miglio

If you follow me on Twitter, you might remember that I banged the drum for Denarius Moore a couple of days before a breakout performance against the Buffalo Bills. I also expected a bit of a falloff with the return of Darius Heyward-Bey against a much better New York Jets defense. Indeed, Moore caught just four passes for 34 yards – were it not for a fluky, 23-yard trick play touchdown, his fantasy output would have been quite pedestrian. But a touchdown is a touchdown, and Moore finds himself to be a hot fantasy commodity after back-to-back great fantasy weeks.

Where should we rank him going forward, though? That is an intriguing question. On the one hand, Moore has made the most of his opportunities – with Jacoby Ford and DHB ailing, he shredded a porous Bills defense. Against the Jets, he took a reverse sweep and outraced the Jets defense to the end zone. There is no denying Moore’s playmaking ability, and he very well could have played his way into a permanent and significant role in the Raiders offense.

Enter the grains of salt. Ford looks to make his return from injury this week, to go along with a healthy Heyward-Bey. They will be encroaching on Moore’s playing time, perhaps to a significant degree. If depth charts are to be believed, Heyward-Bey and Ford would be the starters on this team, making Moore the WR3 at best – this is assuming he has fully surpassed Derek Hagan, Chaz Schilens and Louis Murphy on the depth chart, once the latter returns from injury. With the way Moore has played when given the opportunity, it seems like a foregone conclusion that he has entrenched himself as one of the top three receivers on the team, but assumptions are dangerous.

At any rate, let us assume that Moore is the WR3 in Oakland, possibly stealing playing time from DHB and Ford as well. The Raiders have run three-receiver sets 21% of the time, while rolling with two receivers 50% of the time and four receivers on 10% of plays thus far this season. Would that put Moore on the field just 31% of the time? Doubtful – there is a strong likelihood that he gets on the field for 2WR sets. The question is how often, and it is an important one because Moore could be on the field anywhere between 31% and 81% of the time, a huge disparity – I discount Moore on 1WR sets because it seems DHB has got that role locked down. For a good frame of reference, Moore was on the field for 49 snaps on which he ran 30 pass routes to Heyward-Bey’s 61 and 33, respectively, against the Jets. Hagan and Schilens, meanwhile, were on the field for just 29 and 19 snaps respectively, adding some evidence to the assumption that Moore has passed them on the DC. Those snap counts for Hagan and Schilens are a bit of a warning sign about Moore’s playing time when Ford returns, though – I doubt Moore gets on the field so little, but their playing time was clearly limited behind the WR2. Will Moore’s snap count and pass route numbers be close to where they have been for the past two games when Ford returns to action? That is the rub.

The thing is, Moore could already be the best and most reliable receiver the Raiders have on their team, regardless of depth chart, and one would think they would start their best players. If Moore lights up a bad Patriots pass defense while Ford and DHB struggle, does he become the WR1 on this team? It is quite possible. With just two real games under his belt, Moore is the 8th-best WR in the league with a +4.8 overall rating, easily the best the Raiders have seen for any two-game stretch in years. He represents the versatile threat Ford was supposed to be. Will he be what Ford sleeper proponents were hoping for? This Sunday will go a long way toward answering that question, and others. He has tremendous upside, at the very least, and could be the waiver wire pickup of the year when all is said and done.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/29/fantasy-the-denarius-moore-conundrum/

 
Anyone concerned with Campbell's status for the game?

Jason Campbell QB Foot Limited Participation in Practice -- NFL.com
Not terribly. He hurt the foot in Week 1, and has played on it the past two weeks. He was similarly limited in practice before the Jets game, and it didn't seem to affect him on the field.Unless he has a setback, I'd expect he's good to go this week.
 
'bumpman said:
The Crayton reference reminded me of an old thread from 2009. Guess what the topic was?Miles Austin new #1?Here are some of my favorite quotes from that thread:"Is anybody really thinking that Austin is the sleeper savior waiting on the WW that will bring you the championship? He kept dropping balls that were catchable and if the Cheaps' DEF could finish their tackles, he would have been paste by the end of the game. The only thing I hope is that my rival GM for my next matchup wastes a WW priority on the 'shiny new thing' and finds out that Ausitn is at best, a WR5 for BYE week fodder.""He might have earned more snaps with his game yesterday. But until the staff decides to bench either Crayton or Williams, he isnt getting starter reps. I personally would like to see him opposite Roy, but the staff likes Crayton too much for that.""He'll fall into the same waiver wire receiver of the week trap as the rest. Manningham. Garcon. Mossawhatever. Now Austin. Sound familiar? Feast or famine - only guarantee is they will starve in your lineup and feast on your bench. But we'll have an 8 way bidding war in our league for him this week. I won't be one of 'em.""Miles Austin is the new Massoquoi"It seems the psychology and responses around breakout receivers is remarkably consistent.
Annnnd.....Boom goes the dynamite.What a sweet find by Bumpman. Thank you.
 
Does Ford probably coming back this week affect how you feel about staring Moore against the Pats?
a little, but I think the pats defense is bad enough that there will be enough to go around. plus, they may limit Ford's snaps/role since its his first game back from injury. I am starting him with confidence and am thinking OAK/NE is gonna be the highest scoring game of the day.
 
Does Ford probably coming back this week affect how you feel about staring Moore against the Pats?
a little, but I think the pats defense is bad enough that there will be enough to go around. plus, they may limit Ford's snaps/role since its his first game back from injury. I am starting him with confidence and am thinking OAK/NE is gonna be the highest scoring game of the day.
Additionally, no team facing NE in 2011 has less than 40 drop back snaps, the ball is going to be in the air and more 3WR sets will be common this week than the yearly trends addressed above.
 

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