coyote5
Footballguy
So is attaching some sort of Revis like status to Joseph in attempting to explain Moore's performance yesterday. I'm a Moore owner, but I'm just a bit more realistic than some.
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duaneok66
Footballguy
two weeks ago it was because Bill (allegedly) rolled coverage his way . . . can't wait to see next week's reasoning . . .
Umm..it's not illogical to suggest that Bill — as you refer to your pal? — who's the best coach in the NFL, made it a point to slow down a rookie wide receiver in a game in which New England was coming off a loss. The Pats have seemed to cure some defensive problems the past couple weeks. As Peter King said about them after 3 games:
“It’s only been three games, so there’s plenty of time to come out of this,” King said. “There’s no reason for people to be jumping off buildings. Because Belichick’s the smartest guy in the league when it comes to fixing what is wrong during the season. We’ll just see if there’s enough talent there to fix it.”
Do I think Moore caught Bill's attention? In his words before the matchup: "Obviously you look at the draft, you see a lot of players that have those kind of capabilities, that kind of potential. Which guys hit it, which guys don't, which of those later rounds picks end up with that kind of production and which ones don't - that's hard. He's done a great job for them. Down the field with the ball in his hands, he's made some really big plays. It's really been impressive - I mean their whole receiver corps is impressive. Moore has been outstanding. That catch he had against Buffalo was you know, [he] just went up and took the ball away from two guys there. Reverses, he's made a lot of plays for them. They have a good group of receivers though, very good."
FavreCo
Footballguy
Looks like this will have to wait until tomorrow night. No 8:00 short cuts.
AmosMoses
Footballguy
All of your posts have come after week 4, all but 1 came after this most recent game. If you want to take an "I told you so" angle, you need to first tell them in the first place. Otherwise, you are just coming into the thread and taking a dump. But this is all premature. I'm sure should Moore play well in the following weeks, you'll go away (hopefully forever).
duaneok66
Footballguy
your post had ZERO to do with what I said . . .
duaneok66
Footballguy
when he plays well again, I will give him his props . . .until then, he's just another overhyped rookie . . .
AmosMoses
Footballguy
Dont give props, just go away. Thanks!
duaneok66
Footballguy
welcome to the Shark Pool . . .
mr roboto
Footballguy
What's with the revisionist history all the sudden?
Those of us on the D-Moore train from BEFORE the season didn't think he was the second coming of Rice.
I posted back a few troll-ridden pages the pros and cons.
A guy who had a phenomenal preseason, then had a couple great plays in a game that SHOWS his talent and knack for the ball, should be considered a potential breakout. Maybe not for you hobby team this week, but evaluating talent and finding it now can pay off later in the season, or in dynasty, a few years down the road.
I have picked up Roddy White and Finley off waivers when people dropped them after lack of production. Talent should be held if possible.
Those of us on the D-Moore train from BEFORE the season didn't think he was the second coming of Rice.
I posted back a few troll-ridden pages the pros and cons.
A guy who had a phenomenal preseason, then had a couple great plays in a game that SHOWS his talent and knack for the ball, should be considered a potential breakout. Maybe not for you hobby team this week, but evaluating talent and finding it now can pay off later in the season, or in dynasty, a few years down the road.
I have picked up Roddy White and Finley off waivers when people dropped them after lack of production. Talent should be held if possible.
duaneok66
Footballguy
good points, but guys in this thread either started him or at least talked like they would, and Moore did little (the past three weeks) . . .
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
What does MASSRAIDER think? I thought Moore would stay the number one?
Another reason you can't get too excited about a rookie that blows up when the other receivers are hurt.
No doubt he has talent but they are a running team and looks like DHB is finally playing like their number one. The Randy Moss comparisons are not accurate...or the commitment to the big play just isn't there.
Another reason you can't get too excited about a rookie that blows up when the other receivers are hurt.
No doubt he has talent but they are a running team and looks like DHB is finally playing like their number one. The Randy Moss comparisons are not accurate...or the commitment to the big play just isn't there.
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H8fulHuck
Footballguy
It's nice that you are concerned about who the posters in this thread are starting in their lineups. You are well on your way to earning some new BFFs.
@ Mr Roboto. I agree with your synopsis. Makes sense to hold talented players like D Moore if you can. He has potential and over performed for a couple weeks. He should get better as the season progresses.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
It's hard for a 5th round rookie WR to earn a roster spot, let alone starting role in his first season anywhere. Moore has quickly turned heads and earned the right to garner some playing time which is impressive. It appears to be just a matter of time before he becomes a consistent producer.
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
Moore 51 snaps
Bey 48
Ford 25
Schilens 16
Bey 48
Ford 25
Schilens 16
If you toss out game 1, when I am not sure how much he played, he has 12 catches for 199 yards, plus 2 TDs (with a 3rd on the ground)
Calvin Johnson's first 4 games as a rookie: 11-192-2; for the season 48-756-4
Not saying Moore is Johnson at all, just pointing out how difficult it is for any rookie WR to have an impact. Moore looks to have good talent and opportunity. There will be games like Buffalo, and games like Houston for the rest of the year. I see him as a high up-side, low floor kind of guy, who will not be consistent week-to-week.
If you need 7 points from your WR to win, he may not be the right guy for your line-up. But, if you have to find a WR who can get you 15 points in a week, he is a decent gamble in any given week.
Dynasty - definite hold
Calvin Johnson's first 4 games as a rookie: 11-192-2; for the season 48-756-4
Not saying Moore is Johnson at all, just pointing out how difficult it is for any rookie WR to have an impact. Moore looks to have good talent and opportunity. There will be games like Buffalo, and games like Houston for the rest of the year. I see him as a high up-side, low floor kind of guy, who will not be consistent week-to-week.
If you need 7 points from your WR to win, he may not be the right guy for your line-up. But, if you have to find a WR who can get you 15 points in a week, he is a decent gamble in any given week.
Dynasty - definite hold
Tito the Builder
Footballguy
He's just playing possum, lulling everybody into a false sense of security.
Next week, he's going to POUNCE, like a possum.
You heard it here first, folks!
Next week, he's going to POUNCE, like a possum.
You heard it here first, folks!
mr roboto
Footballguy
Your avatar looks like a Mexican Dwight Shrute.
well he played the most snaps of any wr, 51 to dhb's 48, so its not like he was relegated. the problem is that hes either not getting open or campbell is not inclined to find him. the injured players coming back did not cut into his playing time at all, and its actually increased.'RavenLunatic said:
Dought Man
Footballguy
I think what it is, is that opposing defenses are so scared of Moore's big play ability, that coverage is always rolled to him. This leaves things open for McFadden, DHB, Shillens, Murphy, Ford, Boss, Hagan. Jackson likes having him on the field, even just as a decoy.
he's looking like a classic boom/bust receiver - I'm encouraged that Campbell looked his way as many times as he did last week; unfortunately the accuracy wasn't perfect in getting him the ball. I'm holding and he'll be in the mix as bye week filler / flex; I just hope he's in my lineup when he has one of the 2-3 big days he'll have this year.
The Doctor
Footballguy
im starting to think hes more of a decoy until big play redzone time. which is fine but doesnt guarantee any productivity if hes in such a limited role.
Raiders' last posession of the game; lead by 5; Texans had just taken their last time out:
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(2:52) J.Campbell pass incomplete deep right to D.Moore
It was a 35 yard pass down the right sideline. That's not decoy usage - particularly in light of the game situation. There's no way this was the play called by the sideline, but Campbell saw Moore with a step and took a shot.
2-9-OAK21
(2:52) J.Campbell pass incomplete deep right to D.Moore
It was a 35 yard pass down the right sideline. That's not decoy usage - particularly in light of the game situation. There's no way this was the play called by the sideline, but Campbell saw Moore with a step and took a shot.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It is tough to believe but DHB is the #1 WR in Oakland. DHB should have lost his job with his poor play before this season but Davis plays his guys. Now, DHB is playing well.
Moore more lose playing time and targets as the other WRs get healthy. Moore is a rookie and may eventually lose playing time to more polished WRs on the team such as Schillens, Ford, and Murphy.
Moore more lose playing time and targets as the other WRs get healthy. Moore is a rookie and may eventually lose playing time to more polished WRs on the team such as Schillens, Ford, and Murphy.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
If I remember that play, Jonathan Joseph got away with trapping Moore's left (I think) arm just as the ball was coming to him as well. Ref was on their backside so he didn't see it. I believe without that contact Moore would have had it. Just my two cents.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
One thing that seems to be getting lost in this thread is that Jason Campbell is the quarterback.
that play was pretty close to connecting and this thread would be a lot different if it did. at this point, it just doesnt look like he is reliable enough to be in starting lineups.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
The data doesn't support what you're saying. DHB has been the top target in the offense, and he's produced for a couple of weeks in a row. However, Moore has had 1, 8, 6, 5, 6 ( with weeks 2-4 over 60% catch rate ). Since week 1, he's been the 2nd or 3rd most targeted receiver, and currently is 2nd in total targets through week 5, 3 behind DHB. Since week 1, his role has been pretty consistent, even if his numbers haven't. I don't buy the rolling coverage, he hasn't earned that type of attention to take Moore out of the game. I didn't see that as an issue in the NE game, fwiw. I didn't see the HOU game, so I can't comment there. I was surprised to see 6 targets this past game ( with 0 rec ). Can anyone comment on the quality of the looks? I know the late bomb was not accurate/catchable, but what about the other 5?
Moore's snap count is still high, he's the 2nd or 3rd option in the passing game, and he's shown some ball skills. I'll hold and see if he develops later in the year. He could be a nice bye week fill-in ( or not, as this week showed ) and I'd suggest he has as much upside as any WW receiver out there. Whats not to like at the end of your bench?
FWIW, Campbell is the No. 12 QB in my league.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Thanks!
Moore almost reeled in a two point conversion in traffic that was thrown high.It appears this attempt wasn't included in Moore's total of six targets.
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The Doctor
Footballguy
HOU had their #1 cb on him
McBokonon
Footballguy
The Browns will have Joe Haden on him and likely take him down with a tranquilizer dart, as well.
Cenobite
Footballguy
Yeah, well, I was hoping that I was wrong. Seems his "floor" is 0. That was always my concern. DM's talent was not questioned but the team's focus on gettin HIM the ball was.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What WR tier are we putting him in now realistically? Above the likes of Harvin and Crabtree (two other under-performing guys)?
mr roboto
Footballguy
I would think he is right there realistically. Percy has a greater history of production, but on a bad passing offense. Crabtree has more natural ability than Moore maybe, but can't put it together and is often hurt.I would think Moore is somewhere, in dynasty, a WR 3/4 prospect in a 12 team league. I see his upside now around Maclin honestly, with the potential in a couple years to be a viable low-end #1. But he doesn't have the QB or the organization around him like Maclin in Philly. So he would need to have Campbell progress a bit, and the offense throw more often to get in the top 10.
Sergeant Spelt
Footballguy
Haden has a knee injury and is questionable at best this week.
FavreCo
Footballguy
The way Campbell threw the ball Moore's way it won't matter.2pt conv. incomplete. no one's catching that ball.2nd. Q. 1st & 10 15 sec left in half.incomplete - deep right - uncatchable, out of bounds.3rd Q. 3rd & 4incomplete - deep left - no idea what kind of pass that was. Would have been a miraculous catch.3rd Q. 2nd & 7incomplete - deep right - Moore caught the horrible pass out of bounds.3rd Q. 3rd & 7incomplete - short left - open, totally uncatchable pass low to the ground.4th Q. 1st & 10incomplete - short right - uncatchable, running out of room, he threw it away near the sidelines, Moore closest WR.4th Q. 2nd & 9incomplete - deep right - Closest catchable pass is slightly overthrown.Bottom line Larry Fitz would have been blanked with those 6 passes thrown his way.'Sergeant Spelt said:
TarheelBlue
Footballguy
Thanks for the synopsis. As a deadskins "homer," I've never thought much of Campbell's ball skills. Was my primary concern about spending excessively on Moore... which I made the mistake of doing.Dude definitely has talent, but the QB and the run-heavy offense will pretty much destroy his value.He's the last dude on my bench... I keep only because, having watched his highlights, he is immensely talented... and I am hoping something changes...
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
Fixed.
Eastwood
Footballguy
coyote5
Footballguy
Thanks, that hadn't been covered at all yet.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Dumped him to roll the dice on Mason in Houston.
Dought Man
Footballguy
D Moore is the most schemed against player by NFL defenses. Thats the only reason he isn't performing. Otherwise, he'd be 140/2 every week.
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