Denver RB hype? (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

I think Denver is overrated when it comes to RB success. Terrell Davis was great and no one can tell me different. Clinton Portis and Reuben Droughns have both gone on to have 1000+ yards rushing seasons elsewhere. If Tatum Bell starts in Detroit he'll be another. I think they make good running backs better but they don't make bad players good. That's impossible.

Olandis Gary was on the bad side of mediocre, and they made him pretty good (although if you look at his per-play numbers, it's clear that he's the red-headed stepson of the bunch, with just 4.2 ypc). Denver's offensive line is so dominant and Shanahan calls such a high number of running plays that yeah, they can make a bad player look pretty good. Other than that, I do agree that the rest of the Denver RBs have been better than everyone gives them credit for.

Portis in Denver 2002: 1508 yards, 5.5ypc, 15 TDs 2003: 1591 yards, 5.5ypc, 14 TDs.Portis in Washington 2004: 1315 yards, 3.8ypc, 5 TDs2005: 1516 yards, 4.3ypc, 11 TDs2006: 523 yards, 4.7ypc, 7 TDsDroughns in Denver2004: 1240 yards, 4.5ypc, 6TDsDroughns in Cleveland:2005: 1232 yards, 4.0ypc, 2 TDsI am pretty confident that being in Denver makes a big difference.

Of course being in Denver makes a big difference. Did you miss the part where I said that Denver has a dominant offensive line? All I said was that most of the RBs who ran in Denver are better than they were being given credit for. Reuben Droughns was considered by many to be a scrub and a joke who was entirely a product of the system when he left Denver, and then he wound up being the first 1,000 yard rusher in 20 years in Cleveland. Denver's RBs have consistently been underrated because everyone attributes their success entirely to the scheme. Yes, that scheme, that offensive line, and that coaching staff will make you look better, but that doesn't mean that you were necessarily bad to begin with.

 

[SSOG]

I'd agree with this stance. Only, Henry < Portis/TD and I don't think the Oline is as good as it was back then either. In short, Henry should do well but I think expectations are still too high.

Denver's offensive line was at its worst during the Portis years- since then it's steadily improved. At this point, Denver's line is probably the best that it's been since the Terrell Davis years- not just in terms of starters, but also in terms of quality depth. Nalen and Lepsis are still playing at a VERY high level (caveat: assuming Lepsis is fully recovered), Hamilton is still in his prime, Pears played very well at LT last year and will probably be the best 2nd tackle (with Lepsis) Denver's had since the Zimmerman years (he beats the heck out of Ephraim freakin' Salaam, that's for sure), and Carlisle was let go mostly because the coaching staff felt that Kuper could offer the same production with a higher upside. And Denver's 2nd-string offensive line would probably be an upgrade for some of the worse teams in the league.And again, if you look at what Reuben Droughns did on a per-game basis, expecting top-5 numbers from Henry isn't that ludicrous. After all, using your analysis, Henry > Droughns and the OLine is better than it was back then, too.

 

[jurb26]

I'd agree with this stance. Only, Henry < Portis/TD and I don't think the Oline is as good as it was back then either. In short, Henry should do well but I think expectations are still too high.

Denver's offensive line was at its worst during the Portis years- since then it's steadily improved. At this point, Denver's line is probably the best that it's been since the Terrell Davis years- not just in terms of starters, but also in terms of quality depth. Nalen and Lepsis are still playing at a VERY high level (caveat: assuming Lepsis is fully recovered), Hamilton is still in his prime, Pears played very well at LT last year and will probably be the best 2nd tackle (with Lepsis) Denver's had since the Zimmerman years (he beats the heck out of Ephraim freakin' Salaam, that's for sure), and Carlisle was let go mostly because the coaching staff felt that Kuper could offer the same production with a higher upside. And Denver's 2nd-string offensive line would probably be an upgrade for some of the worse teams in the league.And again, if you look at what Reuben Droughns did on a per-game basis, expecting top-5 numbers from Henry isn't that ludicrous. After all, using your analysis, Henry > Droughns and the OLine is better than it was back then, too.

That's a pretty scary indication of how good Portis can be if true.

 

[gianmarco]

In a way, it's a shame that Denver traded Portis. If they hadn't, we may have been talking about how LT was the 2nd best RB in the league.

 

[mobb_deep]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Henry is also good protecting the ball (unlike Tatum). All coaches hate a guy who puts the ball on the turf, but Shanny probably hates it the most.

 

[kbj28]

Easily take Henry. He plays through everything and will guarantee you at least 70/yds a game, probably more with Denver.

 

[jurb26]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Henry is also good protecting the ball (unlike Tatum). All coaches hate a guy who puts the ball on the turf, but Shanny probably hates it the most.

Henry has 28 career fumbles. He does not protect the ball well at all.

 

[Spiderman]

Where does Henry rank after the top 5 (LT/Johnson/Jackson/Gore/Alexander) ? Is he a better pick than a consistent, though often banged up, Brian Westbrook ? I guess what I am asking is, do you go for a back like Henry who has been in and out of the featured role or go for someone with a track record like Brian Westbrook.

 

[Chaka]

Henry < Portis/TD

This is also something that I am not completely agreeing with.In his three seasons as a starter he averages 4.3 YPC on two pretty awful teams in Buffalo and Tennessee. Portis has not done more outside of Denver than Henry, Droughns hasn't come close. Why does everyone say that Portis is more talented than Droughns? Would he have done better in Buffalo and Tennessee? Would Henry have been worse in Washington?I don't see Portis as being more talented than Henry, and I think both are superior to Droughnns.ETA: I don't think TD was any more talented than Portis and Henry; he was probably less so but we never got to see enough of him.

 

[Chaka]

Where does Henry rank after the top 5 (LT/Johnson/Jackson/Gore/Alexander) ? Is he a better pick than a consistent, though often banged up, Brian Westbrook ? I guess what I am asking is, do you go for a back like Henry who has been in and out of the featured role or go for someone with a track record like Brian Westbrook.

Henry.

 

[SSOG]

Henry < Portis/TD

This is also something that I am not completely agreeing with.In his three seasons as a starter he averages 4.3 YPC on two pretty awful teams in Buffalo and Tennessee. Portis has not done more outside of Denver than Henry, Droughns hasn't come close. Why does everyone say that Portis is more talented than Droughns? Would he have done better in Buffalo and Tennessee? Would Henry have been worse in Washington?I don't see Portis as being more talented than Henry, and I think both are superior to Droughnns.ETA: I don't think TD was any more talented than Portis and Henry; he was probably less so but we never got to see enough of him.

From someone who has seen the Denver running situation for a long time running, TD and Portis were both absolute studs. There's a reason why Portis and Davis both got bigger contracts than Henry (despite Henry getting his contract under a significantly larger salary cap).

 

[DT4157]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

 

[gianmarco]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

 

[DT4157]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

Mike Bell is still a better bet for them in short yardage and goal if you ask me.

 

[Chaka]

Henry < Portis/TD

This is also something that I am not completely agreeing with.In his three seasons as a starter he averages 4.3 YPC on two pretty awful teams in Buffalo and Tennessee. Portis has not done more outside of Denver than Henry, Droughns hasn't come close. Why does everyone say that Portis is more talented than Droughns? Would he have done better in Buffalo and Tennessee? Would Henry have been worse in Washington?I don't see Portis as being more talented than Henry, and I think both are superior to Droughnns.ETA: I don't think TD was any more talented than Portis and Henry; he was probably less so but we never got to see enough of him.

From someone who has seen the Denver running situation for a long time running, TD and Portis were both absolute studs. There's a reason why Portis and Davis both got bigger contracts than Henry (despite Henry getting his contract under a significantly larger salary cap).

The fact that Henry is in the league substance abuse program and is one strike from a year long suspension was a bigger factor in the contract negotiation than talent.ETA: A lot of us watched the Broncos with Portis & TD.

 

[jurb26]

ETA: A lot of us watched the Broncos with Portis & TD.

Then why are you even asking this question? It was pretty obvious.

 

[Chaka]

I think some of you are forgetting that I am a ####### genius.

 

[gianmarco]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

Mike Bell is still a better bet for them in short yardage and goal if you ask me.

No he's not. He's a clearly inferior runner than Henry. There's more to scoring from short yardage than plowing it in. Henry is a very good and capable goalline back. I'd be shocked if Shanny ever pulled Henry from a goalline situation for Bell except occasionally.

 

[jurb26]

I think some of you are forgetting that I am a ####### genius.

 

[Chaka]

I think some of you are forgetting that I am a ####### genius.

 

[DT4157]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

Mike Bell is still a better bet for them in short yardage and goal if you ask me.

No he's not. He's a clearly inferior runner than Henry. There's more to scoring from short yardage than plowing it in. Henry is a very good and capable goalline back. I'd be shocked if Shanny ever pulled Henry from a goalline situation for Bell except occasionally.

I'm not saying he's Mike Bell is a superior back, just that he's a good goal line jumper. Be ready to be shocked.

 

[gianmarco]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

Mike Bell is still a better bet for them in short yardage and goal if you ask me.

No he's not. He's a clearly inferior runner than Henry. There's more to scoring from short yardage than plowing it in. Henry is a very good and capable goalline back. I'd be shocked if Shanny ever pulled Henry from a goalline situation for Bell except occasionally.

I'm not saying he's Mike Bell is a superior back, just that he's a good goal line jumper. Be ready to be shocked.

Again, no he's not. Pull up film from him last year. Or ask any of the FBG guys that are covering Denver camp now. Go listen to the podcast. He is NOT a good goal line jumper. Henry is not just a superior back but he is also a superior goalline back compared to Mike Bell.

 

[DT4157]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

Mike Bell is still a better bet for them in short yardage and goal if you ask me.

No he's not. He's a clearly inferior runner than Henry. There's more to scoring from short yardage than plowing it in. Henry is a very good and capable goalline back. I'd be shocked if Shanny ever pulled Henry from a goalline situation for Bell except occasionally.

I'm not saying he's Mike Bell is a superior back, just that he's a good goal line jumper. Be ready to be shocked.

Again, no he's not. Pull up film from him last year. Or ask any of the FBG guys that are covering Denver camp now. Go listen to the podcast. He is NOT a good goal line jumper. Henry is not just a superior back but he is also a superior goalline back compared to Mike Bell.

You must have missed the Broncos Colts game last year. Mike Bell went in over their line on short yardage and goal in that game and the announcers illustrated his usefulness as a goal line jumper. Perhaps someone else here remembers this.

 

[Chaka]

Travis Henry is awful.

Don't draft him.

 

[SSOG]

You must have missed the Broncos Colts game last year. Mike Bell went in over their line on short yardage and goal in that game and the announcers illustrated his usefulness as a goal line jumper. Perhaps someone else here remembers this.

Did you seriously illustrate a point by describing a good play that an RB made against the Colts last year?I heard a stat that last year's Indianapolis Colts allowed more yards per carry to opposing RBs than any team since the 1961 Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, Mike Bell looked good against them. Last year's Indianapolis Colts would have made Ki-Jana Carter look like Jim Brown.

Travis Henry is awful.Don't draft him.

I thought that Henry was awful when he signed, too, but reports from camp have been positively glowing. Even if he was awful, though, he couldn't possibly be worse than Olandis Gary.

 

[Chaka]

People should not draft Henry.

 

[Boulder Toads]

People should not draft Henry.

I've been reading and waiting for posts like this for a while now. Can't we silently agree how good Henry should be in this system and keep it a bit quieter? :hopinghenryfallstopick10in3weeks:

 

[Chaka]

Henry = bad

 

[Tankslap]

I think Denver is overrated when it comes to RB success. Terrell Davis was great and no one can tell me different. Clinton Portis and Reuben Droughns have both gone on to have 1000+ yards rushing seasons elsewhere. If Tatum Bell starts in Detroit he'll be another. I think they make good running backs better but they don't make bad players good. That's impossible.

Olandis Gary was on the bad side of mediocre, and they made him pretty good (although if you look at his per-play numbers, it's clear that he's the red-headed stepson of the bunch, with just 4.2 ypc). Denver's offensive line is so dominant and Shanahan calls such a high number of running plays that yeah, they can make a bad player look pretty good. Other than that, I do agree that the rest of the Denver RBs have been better than everyone gives them credit for.

Portis in Denver 2002: 1508 yards, 5.5ypc, 15 TDs 2003: 1591 yards, 5.5ypc, 14 TDs.Portis in Washington 2004: 1315 yards, 3.8ypc, 5 TDs2005: 1516 yards, 4.3ypc, 11 TDs2006: 523 yards, 4.7ypc, 7 TDsDroughns in Denver2004: 1240 yards, 4.5ypc, 6TDsDroughns in Cleveland:2005: 1232 yards, 4.0ypc, 2 TDsI am pretty confident that being in Denver makes a big difference.

Very misleading stats there. Portis missed time in both years in Denver, and Droughns didn't start until several games into the season in 2004.

 

[moleculo]

I think Denver is overrated when it comes to RB success. Terrell Davis was great and no one can tell me different. Clinton Portis and Reuben Droughns have both gone on to have 1000+ yards rushing seasons elsewhere. If Tatum Bell starts in Detroit he'll be another. I think they make good running backs better but they don't make bad players good. That's impossible.

Olandis Gary was on the bad side of mediocre, and they made him pretty good (although if you look at his per-play numbers, it's clear that he's the red-headed stepson of the bunch, with just 4.2 ypc). Denver's offensive line is so dominant and Shanahan calls such a high number of running plays that yeah, they can make a bad player look pretty good. Other than that, I do agree that the rest of the Denver RBs have been better than everyone gives them credit for.

Portis in Denver 2002: 1508 yards, 5.5ypc, 15 TDs

2003: 1591 yards, 5.5ypc, 14 TDs.

Portis in Washington

2004: 1315 yards, 3.8ypc, 5 TDs

2005: 1516 yards, 4.3ypc, 11 TDs

2006: 523 yards, 4.7ypc, 7 TDs

Droughns in Denver

2004: 1240 yards, 4.5ypc, 6TDs

Droughns in Cleveland:

2005: 1232 yards, 4.0ypc, 2 TDs

2006: 758 yards, 3.4ypc, 4 TDs

I am pretty confident that being in Denver makes a big difference.

Very misleading stats there. Portis missed time in both years in Denver, and Droughns didn't start until several games into the season in 2004.

YPC doesn't care about how many games were played. Also - don't forget Droughns 2006 #'s.I don't think that these numbers are misleading at all. RB production seems to fall when players leave Denver. Is it fair to think that the inverse might be true, and production can increase when a player joins Denver?

 

[Da Guru]

I don`t trust Shanny. Henry fumbles a couple of times and Mike Bell will be the guy. Bell fumbles or has a bad game Henry will be back in there.

 

[acme]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Henry is also good protecting the ball (unlike Tatum). All coaches hate a guy who puts the ball on the turf, but Shanny probably hates it the most.

Henry has 28 career fumbles. He does not protect the ball well at all.

 

[Ned]

Where does Henry rank after the top 5 (LT/Johnson/Jackson/Gore/Alexander) ? Is he a better pick than a consistent, though often banged up, Brian Westbrook ? I guess what I am asking is, do you go for a back like Henry who has been in and out of the featured role or go for someone with a track record like Brian Westbrook.

Henry.

if it's ppr you take westbrook, hands down.

 

[acme]

There are PLENTY of threads arguing why he will and why he won't be a great pick this year. Personally, I think the guy is going to have a monster season-all Denver rb's do. Shannahan does not like to use a RBBC if he has a competent and healthy rb. It comes down to if you believe Travis Henry will refrain from getting hurt or at least play through pain (his history shows he isn't injury prone and he plays went hurt) and if you believe he is a better talent than Cedric Cobbs and Mike Bell.

No argument that Henry will be the man if he stays healthy and holds onto the ball. (the next line is written by our special guest Yoda)But if falter he does, look NOT to Cobbs or Bell, but to the Padewan Andre Hall.(Thanks for your insight Master Yoda)Seriously guys, don't read too much into the depth chart right now... look at the camp reports and study up on this Hall guy. Don't sleep on him, especially in your dynasty leagues. Unlike Cobbs or Bell, he's the real deal.

 

[nygiants56]

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I dont mean to , but are we just re-living the Denver RB situation again? Tatum Bell was getting a LOT of love around here last year...eerily similar to Travis Henry lately.

What are the differences other than the bigger contract and maybe different running style? Convince me that I wont go through this again if I take him late-1st!

the real myth iis that the Denver TE is a fantasy gold mine. Since Sharpe retired, there have been numerous TE's to come down the pike who were pimped as the next great TE. every single one of them has failed to be a productive top 10 TE.

as for Henry, as one person mentioned, he's been a good RB on other teams before, this is n't a guy getting his first crack at a starting gig...and the RBBC experiment in Denver has officially ended. Henry will an absolute stud this season.

 

[Da Guru]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Henry is also good protecting the ball (unlike Tatum). All coaches hate a guy who puts the ball on the turf, but Shanny probably hates it the most.

Henry has 28 career fumbles. He does not protect the ball well at all.

Tatum Bell had 9 fumbles in 3 seasons, Henry 28 fumbles in 6 seasons.

 

[Chaka]

I think Denver is overrated when it comes to RB success. Terrell Davis was great and no one can tell me different. Clinton Portis and Reuben Droughns have both gone on to have 1000+ yards rushing seasons elsewhere. If Tatum Bell starts in Detroit he'll be another. I think they make good running backs better but they don't make bad players good. That's impossible.

Olandis Gary was on the bad side of mediocre, and they made him pretty good (although if you look at his per-play numbers, it's clear that he's the red-headed stepson of the bunch, with just 4.2 ypc). Denver's offensive line is so dominant and Shanahan calls such a high number of running plays that yeah, they can make a bad player look pretty good. Other than that, I do agree that the rest of the Denver RBs have been better than everyone gives them credit for.

Portis in Denver 2002: 1508 yards, 5.5ypc, 15 TDs 2003: 1591 yards, 5.5ypc, 14 TDs.Portis in Washington 2004: 1315 yards, 3.8ypc, 5 TDs2005: 1516 yards, 4.3ypc, 11 TDs2006: 523 yards, 4.7ypc, 7 TDsDroughns in Denver2004: 1240 yards, 4.5ypc, 6TDsDroughns in Cleveland:2005: 1232 yards, 4.0ypc, 2 TDsI am pretty confident that being in Denver makes a big difference.

Very misleading stats there. Portis missed time in both years in Denver, and Droughns didn't start until several games into the season in 2004.

It's the yards per carry number that stands out to me.

 

[Chaka]

I don`t trust Shanny. Henry fumbles a couple of times and Mike Bell will be the guy. Bell fumbles or has a bad game Henry will be back in there.

Shanny will not hesitate to bench a fumbler, this is true.

 

[Gopher State]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

I would add about 6td's to your 1-2 estimate, Bell will be, what M. Barber has been in Dallas

 

[gianmarco]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

I would add about 6td's to your 1-2 estimate, Bell will be, what M. Barber has been in Dallas

There is ZERO chance Mike Bell scores 7-8 TDs if Henry is in the starting lineup.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

I would add about 6td's to your 1-2 estimate, Bell will be, what M. Barber has been in Dallas

There is ZERO chance Mike Bell scores 7-8 TDs if Henry is in the starting lineup.

And I'll take Sapp over Bell anyway...

 

[Chaka]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

I would add about 6td's to your 1-2 estimate, Bell will be, what M. Barber has been in Dallas

There is ZERO chance Mike Bell scores 7-8 TDs if Henry is in the starting lineup.

No! No, no, not six! I said seven! Nobody's comin' up with six! Who works out in six minutes? You won't even get your heart going... not even a mouse on a wheel! Seven's the key number here! Think about it! Seven-Elevens! Seven dwarfs, seven, man, that's the number! Seven chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eating lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch! You know that old children's tale from the sea! It's like, you're dreaming about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brei time, baby!Step into my office! Because you're ######' fired!Henry is bad. Draft Mike Bell.

 

[1huskerfan]

Mike Bell is the Bronco's goal line specialist. Not for his size, but they bring him on on short yardage and goal situations to jump over the line. I would expect him to steal some of Henry's TDs this year. Henry could still have a good year yardage wise though.

He may have been the goalline specialist before Henry was in town. Bell was atrocious between the tackles. Henry has a nose for the endzone. I doubt if Bell takes more than 1-2 TDs all year.

I would add about 6td's to your 1-2 estimate, Bell will be, what M. Barber has been in Dallas

There is ZERO chance Mike Bell scores 7-8 TDs if Henry is in the starting lineup.

No! No, no, not six! I said seven! Nobody's comin' up with six! Who works out in six minutes? You won't even get your heart going... not even a mouse on a wheel! Seven's the key number here! Think about it! Seven-Elevens! Seven dwarfs, seven, man, that's the number! Seven chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eating lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch! You know that old children's tale from the sea! It's like, you're dreaming about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brei time, baby!Step into my office! Because you're ######' fired!Henry is bad. Draft Mike Bell.

And for those owners who are unhappy with 7, we'll uh give them the 8th for free.

 

[benbadman]

I would, but I would miss all of the prize $$$ that I've been winning over the past 2 years.I have never really been up on the Denver RB situation, just sort of steered clear of it. Travis Henry has also kind of flown under my radar until this season. P.S. you may want to visit these boards during a different time of the month from now on

O snap, the 3 day FBG poster is kicking butt and taking names. Henry is a RB with seasons like 1400/13 300/1 ; 1350/10 & 100/1; and 1200 yards last year and he's under your radar? If that kind of production doesn't tickle your fancy, you must be playing in a 4 team league with some state school grads.Latest rankings have Henry as RB9, and he's a pretty great pick that point in the draft.

 

[Da Guru]

I would, but I would miss all of the prize $$$ that I've been winning over the past 2 years.I have never really been up on the Denver RB situation, just sort of steered clear of it. Travis Henry has also kind of flown under my radar until this season. P.S. you may want to visit these boards during a different time of the month from now on

O snap, the 3 day FBG poster is kicking butt and taking names. Henry is a RB with seasons like 1400/13 300/1 ; 1350/10 & 100/1; and 1200 yards last year and he's under your radar? If that kind of production doesn't tickle your fancy, you must be playing in a 4 team league with some state school grads.Latest rankings have Henry as RB9, and he's a pretty great pick that point in the draft.

Henry is a crapshoot this year..are you going to roll the dice?

 

[Chaka]

I would, but I would miss all of the prize $$$ that I've been winning over the past 2 years.I have never really been up on the Denver RB situation, just sort of steered clear of it. Travis Henry has also kind of flown under my radar until this season. P.S. you may want to visit these boards during a different time of the month from now on

O snap, the 3 day FBG poster is kicking butt and taking names. Henry is a RB with seasons like 1400/13 300/1 ; 1350/10 & 100/1; and 1200 yards last year and he's under your radar? If that kind of production doesn't tickle your fancy, you must be playing in a 4 team league with some state school grads.Latest rankings have Henry as RB9, and he's a pretty great pick that point in the draft.

Henry is a crapshoot this year..are you going to roll the dice?

No. And you shouldn't either.

 

[Tankslap]

I think Denver is overrated when it comes to RB success. Terrell Davis was great and no one can tell me different. Clinton Portis and Reuben Droughns have both gone on to have 1000+ yards rushing seasons elsewhere. If Tatum Bell starts in Detroit he'll be another. I think they make good running backs better but they don't make bad players good. That's impossible.

Olandis Gary was on the bad side of mediocre, and they made him pretty good (although if you look at his per-play numbers, it's clear that he's the red-headed stepson of the bunch, with just 4.2 ypc). Denver's offensive line is so dominant and Shanahan calls such a high number of running plays that yeah, they can make a bad player look pretty good. Other than that, I do agree that the rest of the Denver RBs have been better than everyone gives them credit for.

Portis in Denver 2002: 1508 yards, 5.5ypc, 15 TDs 2003: 1591 yards, 5.5ypc, 14 TDs.Portis in Washington 2004: 1315 yards, 3.8ypc, 5 TDs2005: 1516 yards, 4.3ypc, 11 TDs2006: 523 yards, 4.7ypc, 7 TDsDroughns in Denver2004: 1240 yards, 4.5ypc, 6TDsDroughns in Cleveland:2005: 1232 yards, 4.0ypc, 2 TDsI am pretty confident that being in Denver makes a big difference.

Very misleading stats there. Portis missed time in both years in Denver, and Droughns didn't start until several games into the season in 2004.

It's the yards per carry number that stands out to me.

That is true, and my point was that the disparity was even greater than what you'd infer from just the YPC. Total yards and TDs would project out much more as well. On the face of those stats you might think there wasn't as big of a dropoff in production as there actually was.

 

[AnonymousBob]

There are PLENTY of threads arguing why he will and why he won't be a great pick this year. Personally, I think the guy is going to have a monster season-all Denver rb's do. Shannahan does not like to use a RBBC if he has a competent and healthy rb. It comes down to if you believe Travis Henry will refrain from getting hurt or at least play through pain (his history shows he isn't injury prone and he plays went hurt) and if you believe he is a better talent than Cedric Cobbs and Mike Bell.

No argument that Henry will be the man if he stays healthy and holds onto the ball. (the next line is written by our special guest Yoda)But if falter he does, look NOT to Cobbs or Bell, but to the Padewan Andre Hall.(Thanks for your insight Master Yoda)Seriously guys, don't read too much into the depth chart right now... look at the camp reports and study up on this Hall guy. Don't sleep on him, especially in your dynasty leagues. Unlike Cobbs or Bell, he's the real deal.

Thanks for that tidbit, I'll keep my eye on the guy.I agree with Chaka-Travis Henry will be an absolute bust this season. If you draft him before the third round you're a moron and you're pissing away any chance at winning your league.