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Did Indy cheat? (1 Viewer)
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Like destroying a box full of illegally obtained video tape and notes? Like not holding a coach accountable for his household's activities despite saying they will hold coaches even more accountable? I really don't see how this can be an issue if neither radio broadcast had the glitch. And no reason to respond to it just because there's an internet conspiracy. Unless the Patriots request an investigation I don't think the NFL has any need to respond to it.
Coach3K
Footballguy
Sorry - I just started reading the thread and it may have already been answered by someone AT the game.Haters could disregard your above statement by saying there's no way you would have known, just by sitting there, if the noise you heard was from a speaker system or from fellow fans. Thus, your "crowd noise wasn't fake" statement is just an opinion.However, if you (and/or others who were AT the game) could state specifically and unequivocally that you did NOT hear that strange "skipping" sound in the stadium itself, it would be pretty clear that it was a feedback on the crowd audio channel being fed to the live feed and NOT some nefarious activity by the Colts.Then the rabid, Flavor-Aid drinking Pats fans looking for any reason to strike out at someone else to deflect attention from their own team's illicit activities could shut their pie holes.
daveandken
Footballguy
So the NFL checks into every audio issue in every broadcast? Sorry but no.If it was as loud as it sounded on that clip, Patriots players and coaches on the field would have heard it and reported it. If it wasn't heard on the field - well then what exactly is the point?
This is a non-issue. The NFL does not need to respond to internet rumors and youtube videos. I would HOPE that they are above that. Otherwise they are wasting quite a bit of money - which would be the real foolish business decision.
Seems like the only reason it was ever brought up is that NE fans are jealous that noone else has been caught cheating.
Btw, I agree with you, it WOULD be silly for anyone not to put this completely to rest like you said since there is nothing even worth discussing.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I like how people pretend that because the tapes were destroyed, that somehow the Patriots got off easy. Losing a 1st round draft pick, along with the fines to the organization and Belichick personally, was the stiffest penalty given out in NFL history for breaking NFL rules. You act like Goodell just sorta brushed it all under the rug and didn't deal with it.Even more ridiculous is the notion that Goodell is supposed to punish Andy Reid because his son is a drug dealer. Yeah, I'm sure that's what Goodell means when he talks about accountability - policing peoples' families.
Of course the league will look at it.
They are smart and they will do what any normal person would do. Unlike the OP however, they won't immediately state it was "fake noise" based off the "evidence" of a youtube video.
They'll ask the obvious question - "Was this a CBS thing?" Fortunately for them, CBS isn't the only media outlet broadcasting the game. They listen to matching tapes from the NE and IND radio broadcast. See if it's there too. Consipiracy solved in about 8 minutes.
J
They are smart and they will do what any normal person would do. Unlike the OP however, they won't immediately state it was "fake noise" based off the "evidence" of a youtube video.
They'll ask the obvious question - "Was this a CBS thing?" Fortunately for them, CBS isn't the only media outlet broadcasting the game. They listen to matching tapes from the NE and IND radio broadcast. See if it's there too. Consipiracy solved in about 8 minutes.
J
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GregR_2
Footballguy
The topic isn't dead because people keep posting as if everyone with access to both the radio and TV broadcasts haven't independently confirmed it was only in the CBS broadcast and not something heard in the stadium. You know, posting things like, "This could be totally nothing or it could be something."
Boston
Footballguy
Guys-The big issue here is this is something that Indy has been accused of doing prior to yesterday. I think that's a valid point we can all agree on. If this was something that came up and there was no history than no one blinks an eye. It's a non-story. Yet, that's not the case. For the NFL to not at least look into this would be beyond sloppy (especially since the Patriots have already been busted for a major rules violation). I can't picture how this has any downside. You do the due dilligence, have CBS confirm it's nothing and than it's over with.
My point is not that Indy did something. I'd be real surprised if they did. My point is between Pacman, Vick, the Bengals and the Patriots the NFL has not been on a good media relations roll. Therefore they need to make sure they dot every I and cross every T to make sure there are no questions. I would think that after the doubts lingered about the Pats investigation this would be standard operationg procedure and would be supported by everyone who wants to make sure that everything's above board.
My point is not that Indy did something. I'd be real surprised if they did. My point is between Pacman, Vick, the Bengals and the Patriots the NFL has not been on a good media relations roll. Therefore they need to make sure they dot every I and cross every T to make sure there are no questions. I would think that after the doubts lingered about the Pats investigation this would be standard operationg procedure and would be supported by everyone who wants to make sure that everything's above board.
daveandken
Footballguy
Why are you assuming that they havent already looked into it and concluded that it was nothing. They have no responsibility to report it if there is no issue. They don't need to release information about a botched CBS broadcast. If anything, CBS should be responsible for that.
An interesting story is making it's away aroud various media outlets today. It seems that the holier than thou Colts piped in some recorded crowd noise to confuse Tom Brady and the Patriots.
An clip is already up at www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHQTcFQEMXo where you can clearly hear the crowd audio skip after Randy Moss makes a catch over the middle.
It will be interesting to see how the NFL handles this.
Peter King has already e-mailed the NFL in regards to this + is awaiting their response.
This would be very embarrassing for Bill Polian who sits on the league rules committee and has been a harsh critic of the Patriots in the past.
In my mind this is at least as bad (if not worse) than the Patriots stealing signs. Stealing signs is something every team does + has little, if any effect on the game as it is being played.
On the other hand. Isn't it worse if the Colts are cheating by creating an enviorment where the opposing team (the Patriots in this case) cannot hear the signals? The Colts, by pumping in crowd noise are physically attempting to interfere with the current game conditions.
If this is proven the Colts should lose a draft choice.
An clip is already up at www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHQTcFQEMXo where you can clearly hear the crowd audio skip after Randy Moss makes a catch over the middle.
It will be interesting to see how the NFL handles this.
Peter King has already e-mailed the NFL in regards to this + is awaiting their response.
This would be very embarrassing for Bill Polian who sits on the league rules committee and has been a harsh critic of the Patriots in the past.
In my mind this is at least as bad (if not worse) than the Patriots stealing signs. Stealing signs is something every team does + has little, if any effect on the game as it is being played.
On the other hand. Isn't it worse if the Colts are cheating by creating an enviorment where the opposing team (the Patriots in this case) cannot hear the signals? The Colts, by pumping in crowd noise are physically attempting to interfere with the current game conditions.
If this is proven the Colts should lose a draft choice.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm only saying that the league isn't always interested in appeasing the public's interest in an issue just because the public wants blood and used that as an example. Very few people outside of NE felt "satisfied" with the investigation and subsequent destruction of the "boxes" of tapes and notes that the Pats turned over, yet the NFL simply said it's over, move on. I didn't say anything about the icident that BB was punished for. The NFL suspends Dallas QB coach saying that coaches have to be held to a higher standard, tells Vick he's responsible for what goes on in a house he doesn't even live at but is simply standing idly by while a HC's house is described as a "drug emporium" because drugs were found all over the house and the kids had been over medicated for years. All my points were simply to illustrate that just because CBS had a glitch and someone on youtube turned it into a Colts Cheated Conspiracy doesn't mean that the NFL is going to or should come out and squash this rumor.JetsWillWin said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
But who's accusing them now? As far as I know, nobody outside of a youtube clip from a fan has made a complaint about this. Nobody that was at the game has said one word about it.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
No. The outcome of this thread, and an accompanying pole, will suffice and decide matters.culdeus said:
pizzatyme
Footballguy
How many accusers out there have ever been to an NFL game in a domed stadium? How many have been to the RCA dome to see a game? It is loud as hell in there. It was almost disorienting yesterday.
What you hear on TV or radio cannot even begin to represent what it is really like at the game.
I hope a full investigation is done to resolve this. Then, maybe the Colts fans will get some respect for generating the loudest stadium in the NFL.
Sadly, I feel like this advantage will be eliminated next year when the Colts move to Lucas Oil Stadium. It is huge and there is no way to repeat the advantage we have now.
What you hear on TV or radio cannot even begin to represent what it is really like at the game.
I hope a full investigation is done to resolve this. Then, maybe the Colts fans will get some respect for generating the loudest stadium in the NFL.
Sadly, I feel like this advantage will be eliminated next year when the Colts move to Lucas Oil Stadium. It is huge and there is no way to repeat the advantage we have now.
Boston
Footballguy
Why are you assuming nothing happened? Can you prove that? The reason you make a statement about this is so you end talk about something that can damage your brand. Right or wrong this is a topic and into today's communication world if you let something negative fester it does more harm than good (the old perception is reality nonsense). When it comes to competitive advantages the NFL needs to make sure they don't let anything look suspicious. To not follow-up on something like this does them no good. It's probably absolutely nothing and once you can confirm that you can let the conspiacy nuts go back to figuring out who was on the grassy knoll.I think you're totally missing my point here. It's not that I think Indy did something. Again, I really don't think they did. It's that the NFL can't afford to have another Patriots situation. That did the league no good. Guys like Peter King and Greg Easterbrook still can't let it go and nothing positive happens to the league due to this. Therefore you nip it in the bud, send out a definitive message and go back to business.
FFdork
Footballguy
Ever noticed how the intelligent posts just get ignored? 1. I heard this during the game and, as someone who's messed around quite a bit with mics and digital recording, this sounded like a feedback loop NOT a CD skipping.2. Using commons sense, if this was clearly audible to every person sitting in the stadium, wouldn't there be a little bit more smoke to this fire?I'm not saying teams don't do it, but I don't think this was the smoking gun.Workhorse said:
cobalt_27
Footballguy
If true, and it appears to be so, this is an embarrassment to the Colts organization, and they should be levied similar punishment as what the Pats received. Would like to hear the Colts' homer side of this, since they joined in the bashing of the Pats organization for manipulating the environment to gain a tactical advantage (and were rightfully punished for it, themselves).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Even if it were true, there have been serveral teams told to quit pumping noice in their stadium. I know for a fact that Minnesotata was told to quit. So, if they weren't penalized with taking draft choices away, then the Colts certainly won't be. Again, this is assuming it's true, and who knows, maybe the noice was a CBS audio glitch.
GregR_2
Footballguy
When the feedback sound can only be heard on the TV broadcast, but not on the radio broadcasts of the same play, nor in the stadium, that makes it appear to be true?
Bonginator
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Again, this type of thing isn't new. Many teams have been told not to pump in noise. Also, I'm not saying that's the case in Indy.Bossman said:"If there's a rule against this, the punishment for violating this rule must be forfeiting a 1st round pick. Just because."
daveandken
Footballguy
I don't have to. There's nothing definitive that shows that anything out of the ordinary happened. I'm sorry, a sound on a CBS broadcast is not proof of anything when that sound is not heard at the stadium, or heard on any other broadcasts.You never have to prove the negative if there is no real evidence of the positive.
Except that this is nothing like the Patriots situation. This was a CBS broadcast malfunction. Until you can prove otherwise, its not worth discussing.
Boston
Footballguy
If it is a CBS malfunction than you're absolutely right. I'm sure it will be incredibly easy to confirm that as well which is why it makes sense for the NFL to check with CBS and be done with it (which I heard Greg Aiello was in the process of doing).
Workhorse
Footballguy
Interesting. Apparently the team noticed something during unusual during the game at the stadium. That's certainly notable:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_exper...e?urn=nfl,52422
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_exper...e?urn=nfl,52422
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I use to hear this same idiocy from Vikings fans. They thought the level of noise in thier teflon crap house was a tribute to them. Noise echos and reverberates in these ####houses. It says nothing about the relative ardor of fans that a team should disgrace itself and the legacy of football by building these indoor teflon monstrosities that trap noise. It only tells me the fans of that franchise are not discerning enough to have demanded a real stadium.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
You appear to assume everyone that doesn't bash the patriots with your vigor to be a bitter Pats fan. IF this proves to be true, it is a league rule violation. Does your vitriol for the Pats extend to any other franchise?mad sweeney said:
ScoobyDoo
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
If the Patriots had been accused of this there would be 20 pages of cheating accusations by now.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
This is only a topic because of some internet chatter and Peter King latching onto it. As of this moment, no NFL personnel have come forward alleging any wrongdoing. No Patriots, no Pat's officials, no Pats fans AT the game, no on field officials, no NFL officials, no visiting radio/broadcasting crews, nobody. Nada, zip, zilcho. If this were an actual issue, there would be somebody somewhere talking about it, but the only guys doing it are online. This is a complete non-story, has nothing to do with nor does it bear any similarities to the Patriot's cheating earlier in the year. It is not the NFL's duty to squash internet rumors to salvage the reputation of the league, most recently and damagingly (?) tarnished by the Patriots, which was an actual event and not online rumors.
ETA: I wrote this before the story about Kraft's complaint. If there were people at the game that heard it, as I have said all along, it's a different story.
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daveandken
Footballguy
Weren't the execs quoted in this article in a suite? Probably watching... the CBS feed?
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You sound angry about this. The whole video thing was way overblown because every team is doing something illegal to gain an advantage. It's hyperventaliting, sour grapes, Patriot Haters such as yourself that made it into something far worse than it actually was. I will say, however, that conspiracy theories always make an argument far more compelling and far less crazy. Nice job.mad sweeney said:
Workhorse
Footballguy
Hey, it could be. I still think this is a bunch of nothing.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
This is silly- the Pats trying to justify the Colts cheating to make themselves look ethical. OK they both cheated but as we have seen by the Pats cheating ways- you can cheat and get a slap on the wrist. Extra loud noise versus mystery Patriotgate tapes? The way I look at it if they both cheated they should be banned from the league for two years. I am still scratching my head over the way the Raiders were screwed by the tuck rule. All this nonsense is the reason why the NFL is looking silly....
And there it is. The mandatory tuck rule comment.This thread can officially be closed.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Nice assumption about my assumptions. Completely untrue of course, but tell me who exactly made that video clip? My guess would be a Pats fan, as would 95% of people guess the same. Who else would do to such lengths to prove the Colts to be cheaters as well? My vitriol is for people that don't look at things objectively. Up until about 2 minutes ago there were no stories anywhere about opeople on the field hearing this. And I said repeatedly that if they did it they should be punished and that this was a non issue until someone AT the game says anything about it. Now that they have, it's an issue and is being investigated. However, the 2 radio broadcasts of the moment in question don't show the same glitch, which points to the CBS broadcast. But again, as I said all along, if someone there heard it then it needs to be investigated and dealt with.
Arnold. S
Footballguy
not exactly:http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_exper...e?urn=nfl,52422
guess there are some truth to it
mad sweeney
Footballguy
So you're saying Goodell is a Patriot hater? Because he slammed the team for a 1st rounder and almost a million dollars. Seems to me that that pretty much proves that it was pretty bad. But hey, I don't like a team that gets caught cheating, I must be an un-objective Patriot hater...
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Did anyone answer the question yet as to whether this, if true, actually violates any NFL rule?
The last time I was in the Metrodome - many years ago - the Vikings openly piped extremely loud music and recorded "crowd noise" through massive speakers.
The last time I was in the Metrodome - many years ago - the Vikings openly piped extremely loud music and recorded "crowd noise" through massive speakers.
daveandken
Footballguy
Agreed - however I dont think there are any stories about people on the field hearing the skipping noise.
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Please cheer for a team with ethics....Please get a vasectomy.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Has anyone else noticed that this youtube video was posted in response to one of Kige Ramsey's videos?
