Did we stop remembering 9/11 in here? (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Honestly, you don't train for thousands of hours and live that life for years only to suffer from second thoughts and doubts at the moment of truth. Bullsheet, RN - you do exactly what the #### you prepared yourself for - you go in and do the job.

Listen, I'm not saying they're god like or not human. But it's the truth - you train over and over again, it's instinct and muscle memory kicking in when the endorphins hit. I honestly believe none of those guys had/have second thoughts - you don't have time for it, and it would go against everything that prepared you for that moment.

Nah man... my " " wasn't sarcastic at all. I dig it. They have huge balls. Major props.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Just starting on The History Channel: 102 Minutes That Changed America

Intense.

Ack. My DVR is recording this. I am amazed, sickened, proud and extremely sad watching all of this tonight.

 

[timschochet]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

 

[General Malaise]

I had to put it on pause. Will watch the rest later. Hard to watch 12 years later.

 

[Raider Nation]

I wish I could have urinated on Bin Laden before he took his final breath.

 

[General Malaise]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

 

[rockaction]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

noticeable.



Perfect comment. Just...perfect. Everything with language...everything redacted.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

 

[timschochet]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Et tu?

 

[timschochet]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.

 

[infantsam]

" It is because we are strong that the world is a better place."

And the legs of this strength withstand the constant hacking of those who think freedom is free.

It is not and has never been.

 

[General Malaise]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.

What direction did you want us to go in after this as a country?

You have such a bad sense of timing when you post your commentary, which a lot of the time is just so....bizarre. You make Socially Awkward Penguin look like The Fonz.

 

[Eephus]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.

I think you're overestimating the ability to set policy in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Intelligence was in disarray, significant parts of the economy were shut down and there was still a lot of public fear about where the terrorists would strike next. Mourning and healing were necessary. Some level of normalcy needed to be restored before plotting next steps. I don't agree with Bush's war in Iraq but it's hard to second guess fault his administration's actions in the weeks after 9/11.

 

[Raider Nation]

Three more programs still to come on The History Channel.

Witnesses to 9/11 - Interviews with people who shot footage on 9/11.

The Miracle of Stairway B - The World Trade Center traps 16 survivors.

The Man who Predicted 9/11 - Rick Rescorla expects the Twin Towers attack, and dies in it.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Three more programs still to come on The History Channel.

Witnesses to 9/11 - Interviews with people who shot footage on 9/11.

The Miracle of Stairway B - The World Trade Center traps 16 survivors.

The Man who Predicted 9/11 - Rick Rescorla expects the Twin Towers attack, and dies in it.

All 3 are very intense. I suggest 9/11 Firehouse on Discovery for the DVR coming up shortly, too. For the life of me, I just watched a doc I had never seen about an hour ago and it was fantastic. It was on the Smithsonian Ch.

 

[timschochet]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.

What direction did you want us to go in after this as a country?

You have such a bad sense of timing when you post your commentary, which a lot of the time is just so....bizarre. You make Socially Awkward Penguin look like The Fonz.

I think we should have acknowledged that our reliance on Middle Eastern oil was a risk to our country's future. I think we should have made a MAJOR investment in finding alternatives to carbon based fuels. A good analogy, other than Pearl Harbor, might be Sputnik. America was stunned when Sputnik happened. And when JFK said a year later "We're going to put a man on the moon within 10 years", we were mentally prepared to do it. Suppose Bush had said, in the weeks after 9/11. "We're going to be oil free within 20 years, no matter what it costs."? That's the sort of thing, in retrospect, that we could have done. But we didn't.

As for my bad sense of timing, sorry. It is what it is.

 

[Fennis]

The Man who Predicted 9/11 - Rick Rescorla expects the Twin Towers attack, and dies in it.

will be people be offended if I said I guess he got the date wrong? If they will, I wont say it I will only think it.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.

What direction did you want us to go in after this as a country?

You have such a bad sense of timing when you post your commentary, which a lot of the time is just so....bizarre. You make Socially Awkward Penguin look like The Fonz.

I think we should have acknowledged that our reliance on Middle Eastern oil was a risk to our country's future. I think we should have made a MAJOR investment in finding alternatives to carbon based fuels. A good analogy, other than Pearl Harbor, might be Sputnik. America was stunned when Sputnik happened. And when JFK said a year later "We're going to put a man on the moon within 10 years", we were mentally prepared to do it. Suppose Bush had said, in the weeks after 9/11. "We're going to be oil free within 20 years, no matter what it costs."? That's the sort of thing, in retrospect, that we could have done. But we didn't.

As for my bad sense of timing, sorry. It is what it is.

This will be my only post on your awful fishing attempt, but, you are a ####### idiot. Good day.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Cantor Fitzgerald was one of our biggest clients. About two-thirds of our firm's valuation was tied up the fiber we owned at the 11 million square foot complex (7M @ the twin towers). On 9/25, we laid off 250 people, and another 100 lost their jobs over the next year.

But we were incredibly lucky. We lost no one at our company. Our CTO was on the last PATH train, and his team was waiting for him in the lobby. I was walking up the steps of the 4/5 train when I overheard someone say a small plane hit one of the towers. I barely glanced over Trinity church before going up to my office at 39 Broadway.

Thus began the most surreal day of my life...

 

[timschochet]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.

What direction did you want us to go in after this as a country?

You have such a bad sense of timing when you post your commentary, which a lot of the time is just so....bizarre. You make Socially Awkward Penguin look like The Fonz.

I think we should have acknowledged that our reliance on Middle Eastern oil was a risk to our country's future. I think we should have made a MAJOR investment in finding alternatives to carbon based fuels. A good analogy, other than Pearl Harbor, might be Sputnik. America was stunned when Sputnik happened. And when JFK said a year later "We're going to put a man on the moon within 10 years", we were mentally prepared to do it. Suppose Bush had said, in the weeks after 9/11. "We're going to be oil free within 20 years, no matter what it costs."? That's the sort of thing, in retrospect, that we could have done. But we didn't.

As for my bad sense of timing, sorry. It is what it is.

This will be my only post on your awful fishing attempt, but, you are a ####### idiot. Good day.

Just amazing. For the record, there's no fishing. There's no attempt to antagonize anyone here. I made a comment about 9/11 which was not controversial in anyway. GM asked me to expand on it and I did. Why you feel the need to throw out insults I have no idea. Good day.

 

[timschochet]

If, on the day after 9/11 (or even a week or month later) I had come in here and criticized our nation's reaction in comparison to Pearl Harbor or Sputnik, that would have been in terrible taste. I would have been lambasted, insulted, and probably suspended or banned, and I would have deserved all of it. THAT would have been incredibly poor timing.

But 9/11 happened 12 years ago. It's important to mourn the dead, to talk about our memories, to speak of the heroism of several people on that day. But it's also worthwhile, IMO, to discuss the context of what happened in historical perspective and to review what might have been. It's not in poor taste to have that discussion now, and I don't apologize for bringing it up.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

How many times as (M)OP mentioned 9/11 in the past 364 days?

 

[Raider Nation]

In retrospect, it's kind of amazing that it took this to institute the locking cockpit door policy. Seems like the cockpit door should have always been a VAULT. But I guess it was impossible to even fathom this type of evil.

 

[Apple Jack]

If, on the day after 9/11 (or even a week or month later) I had come in here and criticized our nation's reaction in comparison to Pearl Harbor or Sputnik, that would have been in terrible taste. I would have been lambasted, insulted, and probably suspended or banned, and I would have deserved all of it. THAT would have been incredibly poor timing.

But 9/11 happened 12 years ago. It's important to mourn the dead, to talk about our memories, to speak of the heroism of several people on that day. But it's also worthwhile, IMO, to discuss the context of what happened in historical perspective and to review what might have been. It's not in poor taste to have that discussion now, and I don't apologize for bringing it up.

Can't you see people are trying to celebrate National Tragedy Porn Day? What's wrong with you fella?

 

[T Bell]

I think my boys are old enough now to watch a documentary on this. Is there anything on the TV tonight worth showing them? Figure you East Coast guys might have a head start on the viewing to us on the west coast.

I think Die Hard is on FX.

 

[rockaction]

In retrospect, it's kind of amazing that it took this to institute the locking cockpit door policy. Seems like the cockpit door should have always been a VAULT. But I guess it was impossible to even fathom this type of evil.

Yeah, but RN, what if a terrorist was flying the plane? ####...

 

[rockaction]

If, on the day after 9/11 (or even a week or month later) I had come in here and criticized our nation's reaction in comparison to Pearl Harbor or Sputnik, that would have been in terrible taste. I would have been lambasted, insulted, and probably suspended or banned, and I would have deserved all of it. THAT would have been incredibly poor timing.

But 9/11 happened 12 years ago. It's important to mourn the dead, to talk about our memories, to speak of the heroism of several people on that day. But it's also worthwhile, IMO, to discuss the context of what happened in historical perspective and to review what might have been. It's not in poor taste to have that discussion now, and I don't apologize for bringing it up.

Can't you see people are trying to celebrate National Tragedy Porn Day? What's wrong with you fella?

No, it's cause this dude constantly mucks up #### with long, bloviated, and utterly predictable "no label" opinions that pretty much border on trolling. And I think he is, actually.

Hell, I had a spinny laugher in this thread and don't feel bad about National Tragedy Porn Day. It's this dude that's up to something that's a little more sinister than having honest, direct discussions.

 

[T Bell]

Imagine how hellish it was inside those buildings, when jumping from 100 floors up seems like a preferable option.

Two French documentary filmmakers were by sheer coincidence accompanying one of the companies of the downtown fire stations, located almost literally in the shadow of the WTC. They at one point entered the lobby of one of the WTC towers and someone wondered aloud what the loud bangs were on the foyer windows.

They were people jumping to their deaths and landing on the windows. Haunting.

 

[rockaction]

In retrospect, it's kind of amazing that it took this to institute the locking cockpit door policy. Seems like the cockpit door should have always been a VAULT. But I guess it was impossible to even fathom this type of evil.

Yeah, but RN, what if a terrorist was flying the plane? ####...

:mind blown:

I watch movies.

 

[timschochet]

If, on the day after 9/11 (or even a week or month later) I had come in here and criticized our nation's reaction in comparison to Pearl Harbor or Sputnik, that would have been in terrible taste. I would have been lambasted, insulted, and probably suspended or banned, and I would have deserved all of it. THAT would have been incredibly poor timing.

But 9/11 happened 12 years ago. It's important to mourn the dead, to talk about our memories, to speak of the heroism of several people on that day. But it's also worthwhile, IMO, to discuss the context of what happened in historical perspective and to review what might have been. It's not in poor taste to have that discussion now, and I don't apologize for bringing it up.

Can't you see people are trying to celebrate National Tragedy Porn Day? What's wrong with you fella?

No, it's cause this dude constantly mucks up #### with long, bloviated, and utterly predictable "no label" opinions that pretty much border on trolling. And I think he is, actually.

Hell, I had a spinny laugher in this thread and don't feel bad about National Tragedy Porn Day. It's this dude that's up to something that's a little more sinister than having honest, direct discussions.

I have no clue what you guys are talking about.

 

[infantsam]

Pearl Harbor changed every aspect of American life, culture, and society. 9/11 did not, though it could have.

Just like Pearl Harbor, in the week after 9/11 nearly every American was energized and motivated. We all wanted to do SOMETHING- we were willing to make sacrifices. The President could have proposed anything at that point- for instance a Manhattan project like effort to get us off oil- and we would have gone along with it. We would have gone along with anything. No President since FDR had that much power, and it could be argued that Bush had more power because of the greater resources available to him. He had the entire nation behind him.

But for better or worse, President Bush told us to go on with our lives. He'd take care of things with the existing military forces; the rest of us should just continue working, playing, spending, doing all the things we did before 9/11. No sacrifice was asked for. Except for a few security changes, society really wasn't affected in noticeable ways.

Well, you see, Timmy...back then, there was a little thing called WWII going on in the world. Kinda didn't have that this go around. But neat little observation, Captain Clueless.

Yeah. I wasn't going to comment. Only Timmay would muck up a thread like this.

Wasn't trying to muck anything up. I was only making an observation which I've thought about for quite some time. I don't think it's especially controversial. Carry on.

What direction did you want us to go in after this as a country?

You have such a bad sense of timing when you post your commentary, which a lot of the time is just so....bizarre. You make Socially Awkward Penguin look like The Fonz.

I think we should have acknowledged that our reliance on Middle Eastern oil was a risk to our country's future. I think we should have made a MAJOR investment in finding alternatives to carbon based fuels. A good analogy, other than Pearl Harbor, might be Sputnik. America was stunned when Sputnik happened. And when JFK said a year later "We're going to put a man on the moon within 10 years", we were mentally prepared to do it. Suppose Bush had said, in the weeks after 9/11. "We're going to be oil free within 20 years, no matter what it costs."? That's the sort of thing, in retrospect, that we could have done. But we didn't.

As for my bad sense of timing, sorry. It is what it is.

This will be my only post on your awful fishing attempt, but, you are a ####### idiot. Good day.

Just amazing. For the record, there's no fishing. There's no attempt to antagonize anyone here. I made a comment about 9/11 which was not controversial in anyway. GM asked me to expand on it and I did. Why you feel the need to throw out insults I have no idea. Good day.

I think we kind of are though aren't we? $100/barrel oil spurs Hess to drill off South America, North Dakota to frack/oil sand process etc - and other countries/places to try their hand.

Oil-independant - well that's a pipe dream atm. But getting energy outside the maniac's house - now that is what we are starting to do.

 

[rockaction]

If, on the day after 9/11 (or even a week or month later) I had come in here and criticized our nation's reaction in comparison to Pearl Harbor or Sputnik, that would have been in terrible taste. I would have been lambasted, insulted, and probably suspended or banned, and I would have deserved all of it. THAT would have been incredibly poor timing.

But 9/11 happened 12 years ago. It's important to mourn the dead, to talk about our memories, to speak of the heroism of several people on that day. But it's also worthwhile, IMO, to discuss the context of what happened in historical perspective and to review what might have been. It's not in poor taste to have that discussion now, and I don't apologize for bringing it up.

Can't you see people are trying to celebrate National Tragedy Porn Day? What's wrong with you fella?

No, it's cause this dude constantly mucks up #### with long, bloviated, and utterly predictable "no label" opinions that pretty much border on trolling. And I think he is, actually.

Hell, I had a spinny laugher in this thread and don't feel bad about National Tragedy Porn Day. It's this dude that's up to something that's a little more sinister than having honest, direct discussions.

I have no clue what you guys are talking about.

Bull####.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Imagine how hellish it was inside those buildings, when jumping from 100 floors up seems like a preferable option.

Two French documentary filmmakers were by sheer coincidence accompanying one of the companies of the downtown fire stations, located almost literally in the shadow of the WTC. They at one point entered the lobby of one of the WTC towers and someone wondered aloud what the loud bangs were on the foyer windows.

They were people jumping to their deaths and landing on the windows. Haunting.

The French Filmmakers doc was one of the best I've seen on this. I believe they were in one of the towers (and taping) while it collapsed. Unreal footage.

 

[rockaction]

Imagine how hellish it was inside those buildings, when jumping from 100 floors up seems like a preferable option.

Two French documentary filmmakers were by sheer coincidence accompanying one of the companies of the downtown fire stations, located almost literally in the shadow of the WTC. They at one point entered the lobby of one of the WTC towers and someone wondered aloud what the loud bangs were on the foyer windows.

They were people jumping to their deaths and landing on the windows. Haunting.

The French Filmmakers doc was one of the best I've seen on this. I believe they were in one of the towers (and taping) while it collapsed. Unreal footage.

A great French doc about the Twin Towers was a great, almost tear-jerking movie called "Man on Wire." About a guy who guerrilla tightrope-walked the Towers when they were still up. Worthy watch.

 

[Smarge]

Just starting on The History Channel: 102 Minutes That Changed America

Intense.

Ack. My DVR is recording this. I am amazed, sickened, proud and extremely sad watching all of this tonight.

Same here. Wife and I re-hashing what we remember about that day here in mid America. My stomach is in knots watching this years later.

 

[Eephus]

If, on the day after 9/11 (or even a week or month later) I had come in here and criticized our nation's reaction in comparison to Pearl Harbor or Sputnik, that would have been in terrible taste. I would have been lambasted, insulted, and probably suspended or banned, and I would have deserved all of it. THAT would have been incredibly poor timing.

But 9/11 happened 12 years ago. It's important to mourn the dead, to talk about our memories, to speak of the heroism of several people on that day. But it's also worthwhile, IMO, to discuss the context of what happened in historical perspective and to review what might have been. It's not in poor taste to have that discussion now, and I don't apologize for bringing it up.

by the same token, if President Bush had addressed the nation on 9/18/2001 and pitched 100 new nuclear power plants or a manned mission to Mars, he would have been criticized as insensitive and opportunistic by both sides of the spectrum

Bush eventually chose to spend his unity capital on deposing Saddam Hussein. It was thought to be a low cost and low risk action and it tapped into the nation's desire for revenge. It's easy to criticize this in retrospect but it was politically hazardous to do at the time.

Twelve years isn't a lot of time but it more than enough to change context of a national debate.

 

[General Malaise]

There's more electric cars today than there was in on 9/11. There's more wind turbines, solar panels (whoops) and for the first time since 3 Mile Island, our country is greenlighting a nuclear power plant. As another poster mentioned, we're finding and drilling/fracking for oil in other parts of the world and in our own country. You can't just 'get off oil' overnight.

Plus, expecting Bush and his administration to abandon oil because of 9/11 is like asking Raider Nation to abandon porn because of Ariel Castro.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Do you really believe this? Wow and lol about saying acceptance. Do you think we are not accepting enough as a nation? Again lol. We are not the ones chopping off heads. It makes me laugh when I see idiots with that coexist bumper sticker written with symbols of the worlds faiths. What a bunch of bs, America is the most accepting nation in the world. Try that bumper sticker in Iran and see what happens. No, we are not the ones who need to be more accepting. Also wtf is war on peace? It is because we are strong that the world is a better place. War is awful but necessary to stop evil at times.

OK, I never said folks couldn't post a completely different way of thinking or feeling about 9/11. I choose not to laugh back at you, there are things here we actually agree on, I just don't think we have to invade countries anymore. I'll explain it like this...The Nazis had concentration camps and and we look back in history and take a lot of American pride in defeating the Axis of Evil back then along with England and other countries by our side. We would cringe at the thought of anything like that and can never imagine that happening again...and yet all we have to do is look at North Korea and the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people they send off to basically concentration camps(worker camps) and these people are tortured thru the mind and body over years, open executions of people in front of their families, it's a humanitarian tragedy that is allowed to continue for whatever the reasons. So don't sell me on Syria killing their own people because it happens around the World and has for a very long time.

Do you understand why I might feel that way? I understand why we don't stop North Korea, the nukes, China, I understand but that doesn't make it right or us any better who allowed Germany to exterminate 6,000,000 less than 100 years ago...maybe the numbers are not as great but North Korea murders their own, I'm sure the number of people who have been killed there because of the government is hard to even track. To watch the people there walk about almost in a trance, completely brainwashed, it's a really sad sad state of affairs. The 1950s outdated technology in the "War" pictures that North Korea sent out to the World, that country has not moved in 50+ years. Where is the outcry?

 

[General Malaise]

Imagine how hellish it was inside those buildings, when jumping from 100 floors up seems like a preferable option.

Two French documentary filmmakers were by sheer coincidence accompanying one of the companies of the downtown fire stations, located almost literally in the shadow of the WTC. They at one point entered the lobby of one of the WTC towers and someone wondered aloud what the loud bangs were on the foyer windows.

They were people jumping to their deaths and landing on the windows. Haunting.

The French Filmmakers doc was one of the best I've seen on this. I believe they were in one of the towers (and taping) while it collapsed. Unreal footage.

A great French doc about the Twin Towers was a great, almost tear-jerking movie called "Man on Wire." About a guy who guerrilla tightrope-walked the Towers when they were still up. Worthy watch.

I watched that. Incredible. They basically broke in to the WTC and hid from security to set up their operation. Then watching the dude cross the wire....my god.

 

[infantsam]

Do you really believe this? Wow and lol about saying acceptance. Do you think we are not accepting enough as a nation? Again lol. We are not the ones chopping off heads. It makes me laugh when I see idiots with that coexist bumper sticker written with symbols of the worlds faiths. What a bunch of bs, America is the most accepting nation in the world. Try that bumper sticker in Iran and see what happens. No, we are not the ones who need to be more accepting. Also wtf is war on peace? It is because we are strong that the world is a better place. War is awful but necessary to stop evil at times.

OK, I never said folks couldn't post a completely different way of thinking or feeling about 9/11. I choose not to laugh back at you, there are things here we actually agree on, I just don't think we have to invade countries anymore. I'll explain it like this...The Nazis had concentration camps and and we look back in history and take a lot of American pride in defeating the Axis of Evil back then along with England and other countries by our side. We would cringe at the thought of anything like that and can never imagine that happening again...and yet all we have to do is look at North Korea and the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people they send off to basically concentration camps(worker camps) and these people are tortured thru the mind and body over years, open executions of people in front of their families, it's a humanitarian tragedy that is allowed to continue for whatever the reasons. So don't sell me on Syria killing their own people because it happens around the World and has for a very long time.

Do you understand why I might feel that way? I understand why we don't stop North Korea, the nukes, China, I understand but that doesn't make it right or us any better who allowed Germany to exterminate 6,000,000 less than 100 years ago...maybe the numbers are not as great but North Korea murders their own, I'm sure the number of people who have been killed there because of the government is hard to even track. To watch the people there walk about almost in a trance, completely brainwashed, it's a really sad sad state of affairs. The 1950s outdated technology in the "War" pictures that North Korea sent out to the World, that country has not moved in 50+ years. Where is the outcry?

Our job is to protect our borders. We rarely disagree on how to do so. (With utmost zeal)

We have also decided our job is to defy tyranny when we see it. That is where we get all ####ed up.

I think we should be OK with knowing that our efforts to dispel tyranny will not always be consistent and this might be due to many factors.

The captain does go down with the ship - but he also makes sure as much crew is left as can be to manage afterwords. That's why he is the captain.

 

[timschochet]

There's more electric cars today than there was in on 9/11. There's more wind turbines, solar panels (whoops) and for the first time since 3 Mile Island, our country is greenlighting a nuclear power plant. As another poster mentioned, we're finding and drilling/fracking for oil in other parts of the world and in our own country. You can't just 'get off oil' overnight.

Plus, expecting Bush and his administration to abandon oil because of 9/11 is like asking Raider Nation to abandon porn because of Ariel Castro.

I think you have a good point here.

All I'm saying is that we could have had a more directed effort. And also that America was willing to sacrifice after 9-11, and we were told not to. I think, in retrospect, that was a mistake. Many commentators and even some members of the Bush Administration (such as Colin Powell) have made this point; I didn't originate it.

 

[timschochet]

Do you really believe this? Wow and lol about saying acceptance. Do you think we are not accepting enough as a nation? Again lol. We are not the ones chopping off heads. It makes me laugh when I see idiots with that coexist bumper sticker written with symbols of the worlds faiths. What a bunch of bs, America is the most accepting nation in the world. Try that bumper sticker in Iran and see what happens. No, we are not the ones who need to be more accepting. Also wtf is war on peace? It is because we are strong that the world is a better place. War is awful but necessary to stop evil at times.

OK, I never said folks couldn't post a completely different way of thinking or feeling about 9/11. I choose not to laugh back at you, there are things here we actually agree on, I just don't think we have to invade countries anymore. I'll explain it like this...The Nazis had concentration camps and and we look back in history and take a lot of American pride in defeating the Axis of Evil back then along with England and other countries by our side. We would cringe at the thought of anything like that and can never imagine that happening again...and yet all we have to do is look at North Korea and the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people they send off to basically concentration camps(worker camps) and these people are tortured thru the mind and body over years, open executions of people in front of their families, it's a humanitarian tragedy that is allowed to continue for whatever the reasons. So don't sell me on Syria killing their own people because it happens around the World and has for a very long time.

Do you understand why I might feel that way? I understand why we don't stop North Korea, the nukes, China, I understand but that doesn't make it right or us any better who allowed Germany to exterminate 6,000,000 less than 100 years ago...maybe the numbers are not as great but North Korea murders their own, I'm sure the number of people who have been killed there because of the government is hard to even track. To watch the people there walk about almost in a trance, completely brainwashed, it's a really sad sad state of affairs. The 1950s outdated technology in the "War" pictures that North Korea sent out to the World, that country has not moved in 50+ years. Where is the outcry?

There's lots of outcry about North Korea. And in fact, we DID try to fix it. We got all the way to the Yalu River, and then the Chinese poured over the border and pushed us back into South Korea. We weren't willing to go to war with China in order to liberate North Korea, so we backed off.

 

[Slapdash]

Cantor Fitzgerald was one of our biggest clients. About two-thirds of our firm's valuation was tied up the fiber we owned at the 11 million square foot complex (7M @ the twin towers). On 9/25, we laid off 250 people, and another 100 lost their jobs over the next year.

But we were incredibly lucky. We lost no one at our company. Our CTO was on the last PATH train, and his team was waiting for him in the lobby. I was walking up the steps of the 4/5 train when I overheard someone say a small plane hit one of the towers. I barely glanced over Trinity church before going up to my office at 39 Broadway.

Thus began the most surreal day of my life...

It is hard to forget the stories I have heard from people who were working for Cantor Fitzgerald at that time. Just devastating. Always make a point to reach out to them on Charity Day.

:-(

 

[Tony Jabroni]

"Many commentators and even some members of the Bush Administration (such as Colin Powell) have made this point; I didn't originate it."

YOU DON'T SAY....

 

[timschochet]

"Many commentators and even some members of the Bush Administration (such as Colin Powell) have made this point; I didn't originate it."

YOU DON'T SAY....

See? Now you can call Colin Powell a ####### idiot too.

 

[General Malaise]

Cantor Fitzgerald was one of our biggest clients. About two-thirds of our firm's valuation was tied up the fiber we owned at the 11 million square foot complex (7M @ the twin towers). On 9/25, we laid off 250 people, and another 100 lost their jobs over the next year.

But we were incredibly lucky. We lost no one at our company. Our CTO was on the last PATH train, and his team was waiting for him in the lobby. I was walking up the steps of the 4/5 train when I overheard someone say a small plane hit one of the towers. I barely glanced over Trinity church before going up to my office at 39 Broadway.

Thus began the most surreal day of my life...

It is hard to forget the stories I have heard from people who were working for Cantor Fitzgerald at that time. Just devastating. Always make a point to reach out to them on Charity Day.

:-(

You're a good man, Charlie Brown. We prime with Cantor and have a long history with their trading desk that dates back to before 9/11. Some of the best guys I know work for Cantor. We've had countless dinners over the last 12 years with several glasses of wine/cocktails. Some of the stories they tell about lost colleagues, close calls, friends lost...man.

My sister telling me that this was an inside job perpetuated by our own government craps all over the memory of lost loved ones, heros and good American citizens who were murdered by terrorists. I told her if that's how she truly believes (and here I think she's just parroting what some 'cool' guy at her work told her - she works with a lot of mouth breathers) then I can't be around her. It's too personal for me, even though I didn't lose anybody I knew personally.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Do you really believe this? Wow and lol about saying acceptance. Do you think we are not accepting enough as a nation? Again lol. We are not the ones chopping off heads. It makes me laugh when I see idiots with that coexist bumper sticker written with symbols of the worlds faiths. What a bunch of bs, America is the most accepting nation in the world. Try that bumper sticker in Iran and see what happens. No, we are not the ones who need to be more accepting. Also wtf is war on peace? It is because we are strong that the world is a better place. War is awful but necessary to stop evil at times.

OK, I never said folks couldn't post a completely different way of thinking or feeling about 9/11. I choose not to laugh back at you, there are things here we actually agree on, I just don't think we have to invade countries anymore. I'll explain it like this...The Nazis had concentration camps and and we look back in history and take a lot of American pride in defeating the Axis of Evil back then along with England and other countries by our side. We would cringe at the thought of anything like that and can never imagine that happening again...and yet all we have to do is look at North Korea and the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people they send off to basically concentration camps(worker camps) and these people are tortured thru the mind and body over years, open executions of people in front of their families, it's a humanitarian tragedy that is allowed to continue for whatever the reasons. So don't sell me on Syria killing their own people because it happens around the World and has for a very long time.

Do you understand why I might feel that way? I understand why we don't stop North Korea, the nukes, China, I understand but that doesn't make it right or us any better who allowed Germany to exterminate 6,000,000 less than 100 years ago...maybe the numbers are not as great but North Korea murders their own, I'm sure the number of people who have been killed there because of the government is hard to even track. To watch the people there walk about almost in a trance, completely brainwashed, it's a really sad sad state of affairs. The 1950s outdated technology in the "War" pictures that North Korea sent out to the World, that country has not moved in 50+ years. Where is the outcry?

There's lots of outcry about North Korea. And in fact, we DID try to fix it. We got all the way to the Yalu River, and then the Chinese poured over the border and pushed us back into South Korea. We weren't willing to go to war with China in order to liberate North Korea, so we backed off.

I didn't say I don't understood why...nukes, China, I laid it out in the post. That doesn't make it OK morally to allow a human tragedy like that to continue. In 50-100 years, hopefully sooner, eventually it must collapse. They will look back like we do at Europe and ask how could people allow this to go on?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ministry of Pain sent me this private message:

Hey Tim...

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[Raider Nation]

That's not what I meant.

 

[QuizGuy66]

One final thought - we haven't forgotten 9/11. Be we certainly have allowed the spirit of community that was forget immediately afterwards to be lost and in some ways manipulated away from us. Mabye at some point we'll learn that lesson again - but hopefully it won't be because of such an awful tragedy.

Good night FBG.