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Does anyone conceal carry on a regular basis? (1 Viewer)

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.
You would have had to have fought him like a real man?
:goodposting:

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?
I think it depends on the situation. Don't know the facts.

You're life being in danger is different than my life being in danger.

What if you can't fight or you're weaker or a woman and some absolute beast starts coming at you in a rage. Or someone with some obvious martial arts training and skill that can really, truly deal you some serious damage.

What if your kids are with you and you know if this lunatic knocks you out they're defenseless? Every situation is different.

"being a man" or being "tough" doesn't mean jack to me. I'm over 40, I stopped caring about what people think a long time ago. I would do everything I possibly could not to shoot someone. But if I felt my family was in any kind of serious peril, i would shoot without blinking an eye. A guy doesn't have to be armed to be mortally dangerous. Depends on the situation.
Seems to me a lot of highly unlikely factors have to come together just right before a gun makes any sense at all, and only one thing has to go wrong for it to be the worst decision you ever made. :shrug:
Actually I think for many people there aren't a lot of factors. Someone comes into your house with a gun. Someone tries to rob you with a gun. For women especially, some doesn't understand that no means no. These are pretty clear cut circumstances and they all happen to people every single day.

I think where you grow up and what you've experienced in your life shape what you think about guns. I'll bet more than half of anti-gun people would start shooting the next day after a serious, close to mortal encounter with someone breaking into their home or trying to rape their daughter or something along those lines. If you've never had need it's probably hard to understand why you would want to walk around with a gun.

If you're someone who has needed to or wished you had one it's probably a no brainer. These are not rare circumstances. They may be rare in my life or in your life, depending on your race, sex, and socio-economic class. But to many people and especially in many places, these things happen every day.
Please don't put me in the anti gun crowd.

I grew up in a house with several guns, dad in law enforcement, I own 3. The home invasion scenario would be irrelevant in a debate on concealed carry.. unless you sleep with it in your underwear?

As I stated above, I don't argue for a second your right to carry. I have just never heard anyone explain to me a scenario for concealment where it was more likely to turn out right versus wrong. When I think about the topic, it seems obvious that it is more likely for a gun you are carrying to result in poor decision making and or poor results than the other way around.
Sorry about that, I should not have assumed.

I think there are tons of stories that prove the opposite. I'm sure I, or someone else, could do a post full of links to news stories of intruders, rapists, and muggers being shot and someone saving their own life. I would be willing to bet there are a lot more of them than stories about people's guns being wrestled away and them being shot.

 
Whole lotta fishing going on in here.
No fishing at all. If you had shot that man you would (may) not be there to protect your family next time.

As mentioned above, you and your family seem to find trouble... so what happens next time when you aren't there?

 
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Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
 
We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.
This is a good example.

What's more likely had you not had a gun?:

a) He continues to approach and keeps yelling at you until he realizes you weren't who he thought you were.

b) He continue to approach, is genuinely mad at you because you just cut him off pulling into the car wash verbally assaults you and then leaves.

c) He continue to approach, is genuinely mad at you because you just cut him off pulling into the car wash physically assaults you and/or your family.

What's more likely had you shot him as he approached?

a) You are able to prove this guy was an imminent threat.

b) You end up being charge for manslaughter.

 
Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
According to NC law you can NOT shoot him if you do not feel that your have an imminent threat to your life. Once he is running away you may not shoot him legally.

A guy brought up a scenario like this and the instructor said "'Absolutely not. You absolutely cannot shoot., however, that isn't to say you didn't see him reaching for something or he didn't turn around and threaten you (wink wink) "

Now the guys example involved his kids being attached and lying in his house, not a simple robbery, but basically if the threat is over so if your legal right to use deadly force. The off record comment was, if your rage and vengeance get the better of you it should definitely be in reaction to a perceived threat.

 
Someone comes into your house and you are scared for your family's safety? Shoot them. Shoot them again. :shrug:

Someone approaches your family threateningly away from home, you have a gun... shoot them? Ok. Good luck protecting your family in the future from a cell.
If your family is in discernible, imminent and potentially mortal danger the law says otherwise. If you get scared and pop a guy who is yelling at you, yes, you're probably going to jail. And you probably should.

 
Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
A. Yes, cancelling some credit cards and going to get a new driver's licence seems like a small price to keep from getting shot. As far as I understand it would be against the law to shoot him as he is running away, so again, small price to pay not worth it.

 
Whole lotta fishing going on in here.
No fishing at all. If you had shot that man you would not be there to protect your family next time.

As mentioned above, you and your family seem to find trouble... so what happens next time when you aren't there?
It was a single isolated incident. My family seems to find trouble? Right. Keep fishing Matlock.
Two gun pulling stories by you... which is two more than all the people I know in this world combined.

Your refusal to answer the straight forward question speaks volumes.

 
Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
A. Yes, cancelling some credit cards and going to get a new driver's licence seems like a small price to keep from getting shot. As far as I understand it would be against the law to shoot him as he is running away, so again, small price to pay not worth it.
But maybe it's only a banana? Or an adult lady toy?

 
I know 7 people that conceal carry on a regular basis. 4 of them are cops. The other 3 are a little "unstable".
I have a buddy that does and I don't consider him unstable. That said I think the odds of him actually using it to protect himself vs the gun being accidentally fired, stolen, or found by his children aren't all that good.

 
Whole lotta fishing going on in here.
No fishing at all. If you had shot that man you would not be there to protect your family next time.

As mentioned above, you and your family seem to find trouble... so what happens next time when you aren't there?
It was a single isolated incident. My family seems to find trouble? Right. Keep fishing Matlock.
Two gun pulling stories by you... which is two more than all the people I know in this world combined.

Your refusal to answer the straight forward question speaks volumes.
Jesus... seriously?

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance? :lol:

 
Whole lotta fishing going on in here.
No fishing at all. If you had shot that man you would not be there to protect your family next time.

As mentioned above, you and your family seem to find trouble... so what happens next time when you aren't there?
It was a single isolated incident. My family seems to find trouble? Right. Keep fishing Matlock.
Two gun pulling stories by you... which is two more than all the people I know in this world combined.

Your refusal to answer the straight forward question speaks volumes.
Same story, can you not read?

 
That's why I always carry TWO pieces:

1. My legal carry

2. An unregistered hunk of crap in an ankle holster. Mr. Car Wash steps to me. I tell him to back off. He chooses to continue. I draw down and repeat. He again self-selects to die. I put an entire clip into his center mass. I then pull my dummy-gun from my ankle and put it in the corpse's hand. Call the cops. Fin.

 
They were interviewing a FL politician on TV the other day and asked him if he was carrying right now. He was like "absolutely I always do for protection."

I am by no means against being able to carry a firearm, but come on guy... I don't think you need to carry during an NBC interview in your office... It can't be very comfortable to have a hunk of metal on your body anywhere.

 
A guy brought up a scenario like this and the instructor said "'Absolutely not. You absolutely cannot shoot., however, that isn't to say you didn't see him reaching for something or he didn't turn around and threaten you (wink wink) "
That's why I always carry TWO pieces:

1. My legal carry

2. An unregistered hunk of crap in an ankle holster. Mr. Car Wash steps to me. I tell him to back off. He chooses to continue. I draw down and repeat. He again self-selects to die. I put an entire clip into his center mass. I then pull my dummy-gun from my ankle and put it in the corpse's hand. Call the cops. Fin.
A couple of solid votes for the exercising the "legal" right to carry.

 
They were interviewing a FL politician on TV the other day and asked him if he was carrying right now. He was like "absolutely I always do for protection."

I am by no means against being able to carry a firearm, but come on guy... I don't think you need to carry during an NBC interview in your office... It can't be very comfortable to have a hunk of metal on your body anywhere.
I don't think you understand how carry usually works for most folks. You put it in your waistline when you get dressed in the morning and take it off when you get undressed at the end of the night.

 
They were interviewing a FL politician on TV the other day and asked him if he was carrying right now. He was like "absolutely I always do for protection."

I am by no means against being able to carry a firearm, but come on guy... I don't think you need to carry during an NBC interview in your office... It can't be very comfortable to have a hunk of metal on your body anywhere.
Typical liberal response.

Do you know how many decent Americans are killed every year by local newscasters?

 
That's why I always carry TWO pieces:

1. My legal carry

2. An unregistered hunk of crap in an ankle holster. Mr. Car Wash steps to me. I tell him to back off. He chooses to continue. I draw down and repeat. He again self-selects to die. I put an entire clip into his center mass. I then pull my dummy-gun from my ankle and put it in the corpse's hand. Call the cops. Fin.
:lol:

 
Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
A. Yes, cancelling some credit cards and going to get a new driver's licence seems like a small price to keep from getting shot. As far as I understand it would be against the law to shoot him as he is running away, so again, small price to pay not worth it.
But maybe it's only a banana? Or an adult lady toy?
I don't think it matters what it really is. Cops shoot people for not taking their hands out of their pockets so they can find out. Either way, still a small price for me if I'm making that decision.

 
My wife got her concealed carry license after being raped. One day she was out working in the yard and her rapist drove by the house, looking at her. Then he did it again. She went inside and got her gun, put it in a holster, and went back outside. He drove by one more time and didn't return. So I'm glad she had it and she didn't have to use it.

She doesn't normally carry these days, but sometimes she'll keep it in her car.

 
My wife got her concealed carry license after being raped. One day she was out working in the yard and her rapist drove by the house, looking at her. Then he did it again. She went inside and got her gun, put it in a holster, and went back outside. He drove by one more time and didn't return. So I'm glad she had it and she didn't have to use it.

She doesn't normally carry these days, but sometimes she'll keep it in her car.
Wha?

 
My wife got her concealed carry license after being raped. One day she was out working in the yard and her rapist drove by the house, looking at her. Then he did it again. She went inside and got her gun, put it in a holster, and went back outside. He drove by one more time and didn't return. So I'm glad she had it and she didn't have to use it.

She doesn't normally carry these days, but sometimes she'll keep it in her car.

 
Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.
You would have had to have fought him like a real man?
:goodposting:

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?
I think it depends on the situation. Don't know the facts.

You're life being in danger is different than my life being in danger.

What if you can't fight or you're weaker or a woman and some absolute beast starts coming at you in a rage. Or someone with some obvious martial arts training and skill that can really, truly deal you some serious damage.

What if your kids are with you and you know if this lunatic knocks you out they're defenseless? Every situation is different.

"being a man" or being "tough" doesn't mean jack to me. I'm over 40, I stopped caring about what people think a long time ago. I would do everything I possibly could not to shoot someone. But if I felt my family was in any kind of serious peril, i would shoot without blinking an eye. A guy doesn't have to be armed to be mortally dangerous. Depends on the situation.
Seems to me a lot of highly unlikely factors have to come together just right before a gun makes any sense at all, and only one thing has to go wrong for it to be the worst decision you ever made. :shrug:
Actually I think for many people there aren't a lot of factors. Someone comes into your house with a gun. Someone tries to rob you with a gun. For women especially, some doesn't understand that no means no. These are pretty clear cut circumstances and they all happen to people every single day.

I think where you grow up and what you've experienced in your life shape what you think about guns. I'll bet more than half of anti-gun people would start shooting the next day after a serious, close to mortal encounter with someone breaking into their home or trying to rape their daughter or something along those lines. If you've never had need it's probably hard to understand why you would want to walk around with a gun.

If you're someone who has needed to or wished you had one it's probably a no brainer. These are not rare circumstances. They may be rare in my life or in your life, depending on your race, sex, and socio-economic class. But to many people and especially in many places, these things happen every day.
Please don't put me in the anti gun crowd.

I grew up in a house with several guns, dad in law enforcement, I own 3. The home invasion scenario would be irrelevant in a debate on concealed carry.. unless you sleep with it in your underwear?

As I stated above, I don't argue for a second your right to carry. I have just never heard anyone explain to me a scenario for concealment where it was more likely to turn out right versus wrong. When I think about the topic, it seems obvious that it is more likely for a gun you are carrying to result in poor decision making and or poor results than the other way around.
Sorry about that, I should not have assumed.

I think there are tons of stories that prove the opposite. I'm sure I, or someone else, could do a post full of links to news stories of intruders, rapists, and muggers being shot and someone saving their own life. I would be willing to bet there are a lot more of them than stories about people's guns being wrestled away and them being shot.
:no:

 
My wife got her concealed carry license after being raped. One day she was out working in the yard and her rapist drove by the house, looking at her. Then he did it again. She went inside and got her gun, put it in a holster, and went back outside. He drove by one more time and didn't return. So I'm glad she had it and she didn't have to use it.

She doesn't normally carry these days, but sometimes she'll keep it in her car.
She got raped TWICE?

 
the counterpoint to what I posted above is that in the movie Swingers, after that one guy flashed his piece at the uppity house of pain looking guys, they all became good buddies and ended up playing NHL 95 on the SNES together. so I'm not sure where I stand on this issue.
I'm pretty sure that was a Sega Genesis.

 
MikeIke's wife is an example of concealed carry working.

The FL politician is just a gun nut.
I have no doubt that it works in some cases. I just think there is a risk in carrying a loaded gun and it is a personal choice as to whether or not you feel the need outweighs the risk.

For myself I live and work in the suburbs where violent crime is low so I don't feel the need.

 
It's uncomfortable enough keeping keys, cell phone, and a wallet on you all day. Unless your a marsupial or like captain cave man, it's ridiculous to sacrifice personal comfort for the invincibility shield a gun provides.

You might as well wear a hazmat suit around. You probably have a higher risk of a fatality from a common cold than you do of being murdered in your office during an interview.

 
It's uncomfortable enough keeping keys, cell phone, and a wallet on you all day. Unless your a marsupial or like captain cave man, it's ridiculous to sacrifice personal comfort for the invincibility shield a gun provides.
1) It's not all that uncomfortable at all. Like stated before, you pretty much forget it's there.

2) As to the bolded, that's your opinion. Millions of Americans disagree.

3) The red is either ignorance or fishing... given your general posting style on this forum I'm not sure which

 
My wife got her concealed carry license after being raped. One day she was out working in the yard and her rapist drove by the house, looking at her. Then he did it again. She went inside and got her gun, put it in a holster, and went back outside. He drove by one more time and didn't return. So I'm glad she had it and she didn't have to use it.

She doesn't normally carry these days, but sometimes she'll keep it in her car.
She got raped TWICE?
not really sure this is where you wanna aim for yuks

 
We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.
This is a good example.

What's more likely had you not had a gun?:

a) He continues to approach and keeps yelling at you until he realizes you weren't who he thought you were.

b) He continue to approach, is genuinely mad at you because you just cut him off pulling into the car wash verbally assaults you and then leaves.

c) He continue to approach, is genuinely mad at you because you just cut him off pulling into the car wash physically assaults you and/or your family.
or d) he continues to approach, and is genuinely mad at you for whatever reason is in his head - rational or not, and assaults you or worse.

Are you willing to bet you life on any of the above?

 
Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
According to NC law you can NOT shoot him if you do not feel that your have an imminent threat to your life. Once he is running away you may not shoot him legally.

A guy brought up a scenario like this and the instructor said "'Absolutely not. You absolutely cannot shoot., however, that isn't to say you didn't see him reaching for something or he didn't turn around and threaten you (wink wink) "

Now the guys example involved his kids being attached and lying in his house, not a simple robbery, but basically if the threat is over so if your legal right to use deadly force. The off record comment was, if your rage and vengeance get the better of you it should definitely be in reaction to a perceived threat.
If he places a gun in your back, how is that not an imminent threat to your life?

 
Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
According to NC law you can NOT shoot him if you do not feel that your have an imminent threat to your life. Once he is running away you may not shoot him legally.

A guy brought up a scenario like this and the instructor said "'Absolutely not. You absolutely cannot shoot., however, that isn't to say you didn't see him reaching for something or he didn't turn around and threaten you (wink wink) "

Now the guys example involved his kids being attached and lying in his house, not a simple robbery, but basically if the threat is over so if your legal right to use deadly force. The off record comment was, if your rage and vengeance get the better of you it should definitely be in reaction to a perceived threat.
If he places a gun in your back, how is that not an imminent threat to your life?
Because you already gave him your wallet and he was running away.

Did you choose B?

 
If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?
According to NC law you can NOT shoot him if you do not feel that your have an imminent threat to your life. Once he is running away you may not shoot him legally.
If he places a gun in your back, how is that not an imminent threat to your life?
See bolded.
I read that part - but can you reasonably believe there is an imminent threat to your life while he's pointing a gun at you? Before he takes your wallet and walks away. Do you not have the right to defend yourself before that? Not saying that's the brightest thing to do, but you are within your rights to do so, correct?

 
We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.
This is a good example.

What's more likely had you not had a gun?:

a) He continues to approach and keeps yelling at you until he realizes you weren't who he thought you were.

b) He continue to approach, is genuinely mad at you because you just cut him off pulling into the car wash verbally assaults you and then leaves.

c) He continue to approach, is genuinely mad at you because you just cut him off pulling into the car wash physically assaults you and/or your family.
or d) he continues to approach, and is genuinely mad at you for whatever reason is in his head - rational or not, and assaults you or worse.

Are you willing to bet you life on any of the above?
That is pretty much what I meant by option c). Insert whatever reason you want. Not sure what you mean by betting my life: I support the right to carry guns. I'm neutral on whether people do or not. I don't feel like I'm putting my life at risk if I don't.

 

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