Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

Numerous ESPN personalities who played or coached in the NFL have said that rookies picking up the tab, acting as chauffeurs, etc. is commonplace in every NFL locker room and has been part of league for as long as they could remember. That's why more focus has been placed on Incognito's threatening and racial voicemails and text messages because that behavior is rare and egregious.

speaking of that, leaving aside everything else but the racial slur component, is there something about this that is different from the trouble riley cooper got in during the preseason for racist remarks... in that case, he was publicly contrite ASAP... the latest in the wake of the racist texts/VM evidence from incognito is that this will blow over and pass... i'm thinking if cooper had refused to apologize, he would have been released quickly...

* as to differences, i realize cooper's incident happened at a concert, and incognito was a VM, but on the surface, it would seem incognito's racist statement leaves an apology no less in order. oddly, no player i know of has mentioned this aspect, though it came up for a few players with the eagles after cooper's apology (mccoy for one - saying he accepted it, but how could his sense of that person not be altered thereafter?)...

 

[Doug B]

ESPN's legal analyst Lester Munson chimes in:

Lawsuit could provide Martin payday

Florida law could make Richie Incognito pay triple teammate's salary in damages

 

[Ministry of Pain]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Martin-went-AWOL-during-offseason.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

At first I thought this was just a simple regurgitation of the Sun Sentinel article. I found it interesting because he ASSUMES that Martin would have told coaches at that point. Instead he jumps the shark just a little and says that instead the coaches go to Incognito to whip him into shape.

He almost frames this as if the coaches got in a meeting room and said "Martin didn't show up, let's not call him an ask why, let's sick Richie on him"

Now I also am using conjecture here but in a faux kind of manner. I don't know what to make of this Jason Cole article. We went from the Sun Sentinel piece to this. I don't think Cole is closer to the Miami situation than the local beat writers here but who knows.

 

[Doug B]

Numerous ESPN personalities who played or coached in the NFL have said that rookies picking up the tab, acting as chauffeurs, etc. is commonplace in every NFL locker room and has been part of league for as long as they could remember.

Maybe, but see Bountygate.

Also, I don't believe any player has come out and said bankrupting rookie UDFAs (don't mean Martin) is typical. A lot more going on than picking up tabs.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It's starting to sound like Incognito did the guy a favor. Martin didn't seem to have any heart or passion and now he realizes that this whole football thing just isn't for him.

Martin sounds like a complete ####### pansy. Seriously, how many guys....anywhere on earth...haven't been given mounds of #### by their buddies or co-workers? This is part of being a guy. Martin dropped $15,000 for a players trip to Vegas.....and he didn't go along with them. WTF? Dude sounds like a loner with issues. None of this excuses Incognito's behavior, but I'm with Antrel Rolle - at some point, Martin needs to man up. You know, put on the big boy pants.

This shtick has been played out.

What "shtick" are you talking about? I haven't been in the thread all day - unlike most of you, I work for a living. Richie is a moron. Period. Case closed.

But what type of gladiator football player curls up in a ####### ball because some jarhead nutjob like Little Richie goes all ape on him? It's absurd.

The Willy Loman angle is new, but the rest of it is overdone, and done much better.

Since you're pretending to be intellectual, Willy Loman is a terrible analogy. You already know this, but mentioned it to sound more intelligent than you actually are.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

It is indicative of a broken culture on that team. Disturbing that Philbin - the coach - was unable to dismantle this culture.

 

[Smack Tripper]

If the coaches did indeed tell Incognito to "toughen up" Martin, than that sanctimonious fool Philbin must go. Really, how dare he go on about suspending Incognito when he knew damn well his own culpability.

 

[cobalt_27]

If the coaches did indeed tell Incognito to "toughen up" Martin, than that sanctimonious fool Philbin must go. Really, how dare he go on about suspending Incognito when he knew damn well his own culpability.

There's a lot of real estate between "toughen him up" and the behavior incognito engaged in. I doubt this is what Philbin had in mind, and 99.999999% of people wouldn't take that comment to represent a blank check to do whatever the #### one wants.

 

[Smack Tripper]

If the coaches did indeed tell Incognito to "toughen up" Martin, than that sanctimonious fool Philbin must go. Really, how dare he go on about suspending Incognito when he knew damn well his own culpability.

There's a lot of real estate between "toughen him up" and the behavior incognito engaged in. I doubt this is what Philbin had in mind, and 99.999999% of people wouldn't take that comment to represent a blank check to do whatever the #### one wants.

It does not matter, particularly in a context of missing a "voluntary" workout. I'm sure there is no paper trail of this information, but this guy was a worm in his presser and I don't doubt for a moment he had more insight into this than he let on. And he let Incognito play a game knowing this information, he bowed to public pressure rather than responding to this situation.

I also would take issue with with the notion that Incognito "did whatever he wanted".

Where does the buck stop? I'd like to see a lot more facts, and context counts for any of Incognito's behavior.

 

[Neofight]

It's starting to sound like Incognito did the guy a favor. Martin didn't seem to have any heart or passion and now he realizes that this whole football thing just isn't for him.

Martin sounds like a complete ####### pansy. Seriously, how many guys....anywhere on earth...haven't been given mounds of #### by their buddies or co-workers? This is part of being a guy. Martin dropped $15,000 for a players trip to Vegas.....and he didn't go along with them. WTF? Dude sounds like a loner with issues. None of this excuses Incognito's behavior, but I'm with Antrel Rolle - at some point, Martin needs to man up. You know, put on the big boy pants.

This shtick has been played out.

What "shtick" are you talking about? I haven't been in the thread all day - unlike most of you, I work for a living. Richie is a moron. Period. Case closed.

But what type of gladiator football player curls up in a ####### ball because some jarhead nutjob like Little Richie goes all ape on him? It's absurd.

The Willy Loman angle is new, but the rest of it is overdone, and done much better.

Since you're pretending to be intellectual, Willy Loman is a terrible analogy. You already know this, but mentioned it to sound more intelligent than you actually are.

There is nothing necessarily intellectual about calling out bad shtick. Carry on.

 

[mr roboto]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

 

[cobalt_27]

If the coaches did indeed tell Incognito to "toughen up" Martin, than that sanctimonious fool Philbin must go. Really, how dare he go on about suspending Incognito when he knew damn well his own culpability.

There's a lot of real estate between "toughen him up" and the behavior incognito engaged in. I doubt this is what Philbin had in mind, and 99.999999% of people wouldn't take that comment to represent a blank check to do whatever the #### one wants.

It does not matter, particularly in a context of missing a "voluntary" workout. I'm sure there is no paper trail of this information, but this guy was a worm in his presser and I don't doubt for a moment he had more insight into this than he let on. And he let Incognito play a game knowing this information, he bowed to public pressure rather than responding to this situation.

I also would take issue with with the notion that Incognito "did whatever he wanted".

Where does the buck stop? I'd like to see a lot more facts, and context counts for any of Incognito's behavior.

None of what you said here trumps or excuses Incognito's behavior. I'm uncomfortable laying blame on anyone else other than Incognito and have been surprised by the small minority out there who have attempted to do exactly that.

 

[cobalt_27]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

I disagree. Pretty strongly in fact. There's a lot of room for interpretation of this behavior, much of which could be benign, done in good fun, repaid later, etc. Not by definition malicious, bigoted, and hateful.

 

[Sinn Fein]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

I disagree. Pretty strongly in fact. There's a lot of room for interpretation of this behavior, much of which could be benign, done in good fun, repaid later, etc. Not by definition malicious, bigoted, and hateful.

Look at the voicemail in the context of trying to "toughen up" Martin - I don't think it comes across as malicious, bigoted and hateful in that context. It comes across like an over zealous drill sergeant, who means well despite the seemingly harsh approach.

Now, I'll admit that at this point, I don't know what incognito's intent was here, but I am at least open to the possibility, that this was not as vile as it looks simply reading words on a page.

 

[DirtyCashDylan]

The media is coming out and calling Incognito a racist for using the N word and that seems to be the story now. Race never had anything to do with it.

 

[LittlePhatty]

The media is coming out and calling Incognito a racist for using the N word and that seems to be the story now. Race never had anything to do with it.

Yeah, it's a shame that ignorant people can't use racial epithets without being labeled as a racist, right? Right?

 

[Phenix]

Indeed.

But I think MoP will not see it that way.

disagreeing with mop is always the right thing. he truely is lost and will never get it.

You guys should really do some soul searching, you might just find one.

Maybe you should type more posts of anger, gees 75% of this 27 page thread is you crying.

 

[Phenix]

The media is coming out and calling Incognito a racist for using the N word and that seems to be the story now. Race never had anything to do with it.

Yeah, it's a shame that ignorant people can't use racial epithets without being labeled as a racist, right? Right?

Agree, he didn't hate him for his race, he just hated him for all reasons.

 

[Phenix]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

I disagree. Pretty strongly in fact. There's a lot of room for interpretation of this behavior, much of which could be benign, done in good fun, repaid later, etc. Not by definition malicious, bigoted, and hateful.

Calling an leaving a voicemail slapping my mother isn't full of malice? Anyone who left that voicemail to me would not be alive. I'm not being hard, its just a fact. Yup, make the jokes, I'm a big man, blah blah blah.

Your opinion on if it was harmful to Martin or not, doesn't matter, you know, because you are not Martin. Anyone who thinks Martin is in the wrong for anything he did including walking out on a team that didn't have his back is quite a pathetic human being.

Thats a fact, you can disagree, but I dont expect pathetic humans to be reasonable. Society isnt all gumdrops and lollipops, things don't always happen the way you think they should. This isnt as easy as, defend yourself, be a man and dont quit.

Only people who disagree with Martin are people in Richies court, how do you think those people would fair if they agreed with Richie in a room full of fathers? Bet they wouldnt agree with Richie anymore and would prolly walk out to avoid the beat down. Sound familiar of someone who fears for his life? lol

 

[cobalt_27]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

I disagree. Pretty strongly in fact. There's a lot of room for interpretation of this behavior, much of which could be benign, done in good fun, repaid later, etc. Not by definition malicious, bigoted, and hateful.

Look at the voicemail in the context of trying to "toughen up" Martin - I don't think it comes across as malicious, bigoted and hateful in that context. It comes across like an over zealous drill sergeant, who means well despite the seemingly harsh approach. Now, I'll admit that at this point, I don't know what incognito's intent was here, but I am at least open to the possibility, that this was not as vile as it looks simply reading words on a page.

Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. [i'm going to] slap your real mother across the face.

F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you.

Yeah, I'm guessing if you can't understand the problem here, me trying to explain it to you is going to fall on deaf ears. This on its own was out of line, made worse by the fact that Richie had a history of stalking and intimidating this kid, made worse still by the fact that Richie has had a history of being a terrible person.

 

[matuski]

Calling an leaving a voicemail slapping my mother isn't full of malice? Anyone who left that voicemail to me would not be alive. I'm not being hard, its just a fact. Yup, make the jokes, I'm a big man, blah blah blah.

I can't count the number of "Mom" jokes and insults my roommates and I threw back and forth in our early 20's. On paper I imagine we all would look like horrible people. We all remain best of friends.

These guys were living their lives closer together than my roommates and I were.

What is so hard to understand?

PS - Give us a break. You wouldn't lay a finger on anyone over a voicemail or text.

 

[The Goat]

Isn't it about time for Plaxico Burress, Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell to do something amusing and stupid, so the media have something else to talk about?

Tough days as a Fin Fan. Multiple reports that Philbin was never approached by Martin. For what it's worth, I think the buck stops at the O-Line coach. It isn't all that far-fetched to think that former Marine Jim Turner ordered the code red.

 

[The Goat]

If the coaches did indeed tell Incognito to "toughen up" Martin, than that sanctimonious fool Philbin must go. Really, how dare he go on about suspending Incognito when he knew damn well his own culpability.

…and if he didn't know?

This is what I'm mulling over in my head. If this is true, is it Philbin's fault for not knowing, or is it understandable that he lets his staff handle issues within their areas of responsibility?

In my opinion, the order of accountability would be Turner, then Sherman, then Philbin. But I'm not sure how I feel about Philbin's ignorance of the situation serving as a waiver of accountability.

 

[RaiderBones]

If the coaches did indeed tell Incognito to "toughen up" Martin, than that sanctimonious fool Philbin must go. Really, how dare he go on about suspending Incognito when he knew damn well his own culpability.

There's a lot of real estate between "toughen him up" and the behavior incognito engaged in. I doubt this is what Philbin had in mind, and 99.999999% of people wouldn't take that comment to represent a blank check to do whatever the #### one wants.

None the less, Incongnito has a certain reputation and the coaches asked him to toughen Martin up. The coaches unleashed Incognito and with his reputation what did they expect would happen. If true coaches heads will be rolling soon.

I would like to add that this does not lessen Incognito's involvment in anyway, he did take it too far and deserves what he gets.

 

[Mello]

Welcome to the further wussification of America and the continued destruction of NFL football. Incognito crossed a few lines and should be punished, but Martin had no business being in an NFL locker room with his mentality.

 

[Sinn Fein]

... if the vm is legit, then it frankly renders all other considerations moot, particularly any attempts to slander Martin. He (Martin) may or may not be the most outstanding humans being alive, but none of that matters in light of Incognito's behavior. In fact, it's all pretty irrelevant juxtaposed against what Incognito has done here.

I actually think the vm is small potatoes in the grand scheme. To me, the vets' use of rookies as ATMs, as chauffeurs, etc. is a much bigger deal.

I disagree. Pretty strongly in fact. There's a lot of room for interpretation of this behavior, much of which could be benign, done in good fun, repaid later, etc. Not by definition malicious, bigoted, and hateful.

Look at the voicemail in the context of trying to "toughen up" Martin - I don't think it comes across as malicious, bigoted and hateful in that context. It comes across like an over zealous drill sergeant, who means well despite the seemingly harsh approach.Now, I'll admit that at this point, I don't know what incognito's intent was here, but I am at least open to the possibility, that this was not as vile as it looks simply reading words on a page.

Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---.[i'm going to] slap your real mother across the face.

F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you.

Yeah, I'm guessing if you can't understand the problem here, me trying to explain it to you is going to fall on deaf ears. This on its own was out of line, made worse by the fact that Richie had a history of stalking and intimidating this kid, made worse still by the fact that Richie has had a history of being a terrible person.

You left out the part where Incognito was laughing in the voice mail. Again, I don't know the tone that was used, how serious this was, or whether it was trash talking that looks really bad on paper. I have no doubt that Incognito is a jackass, and not someone I would associate with, but I am also willing to wait on more information before jumping to conclusions. I've heard too many players defend Incognito in the last few days to assume that this is as nefarious as the media wants to portray it.

When the news about Riley Cooper broke, a lot of players wanted him off the team - ready to fight him, etc. I have not heard any of that from Dolphin players. Just the opposite. That suggests to me, that they do not consider this to be a racist rant.

 

[SWC]

sinn fenn who cares what a bunch of meathead former players say anyhow they probably took part in it and are worried that if it comes out they will be next under public fire frankly here is the truth everyone has a right to go in to work to try and make a buck and do good for them and theres and not have it be like going to work at a cell block at a prison and if you say well that is the culture of the nfl then i say it is time to change it and that time is right now and i hope goodall rides in and cleans the hell out of this take that to the bank brohans

 

[Sinn Fein]

sinn fenn who cares what a bunch of meathead former players say anyhow they probably took part in it and are worried that if it comes out they will be next under public fire frankly here is the truth everyone has a right to go in to work to try and make a buck and do good for them and theres and not have it be like going to work at a cell block at a prison and if you say well that is the culture of the nfl then i say it is time to change it and that time is right now and i hope goodall rides in and cleans the hell out of this take that to the bank brohans

Do you think she'll be riding a Silverback?

 

[SWC]

yeah you got me there brohan i am not so good with the tickling the ivories that is for sure take that to the bank and have a good day eveyrone

 

[Sammy3469]

If the coaches told Incogneto to "toughen him up" they are done (and it doesn't matter what they thought would happen). This is a workplace and you can't have managers allow that type of behavior.

 

[Pump N Go]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

 

[Smack Tripper]

If the coaches did indeed tell Incognito to "toughen up" Martin, than that sanctimonious fool Philbin must go. Really, how dare he go on about suspending Incognito when he knew damn well his own culpability.

There's a lot of real estate between "toughen him up" and the behavior incognito engaged in. I doubt this is what Philbin had in mind, and 99.999999% of people wouldn't take that comment to represent a blank check to do whatever the #### one wants.

It does not matter, particularly in a context of missing a "voluntary" workout. I'm sure there is no paper trail of this information, but this guy was a worm in his presser and I don't doubt for a moment he had more insight into this than he let on. And he let Incognito play a game knowing this information, he bowed to public pressure rather than responding to this situation.

I also would take issue with with the notion that Incognito "did whatever he wanted".

Where does the buck stop? I'd like to see a lot more facts, and context counts for any of Incognito's behavior.

None of what you said here trumps or excuses Incognito's behavior. I'm uncomfortable laying blame on anyone else other than Incognito and have been surprised by the small minority out there who have attempted to do exactly that.

You're scapegoating Incognito and if you're truly concerned about the culture of bullying, you're not to the core of a corrective punishment. Incognito pulled the trigger but the coaches put the gun in his hand, either implicitly or through ignorance.

And since people want to apply real world standards to the NFL, you can believe there would be ramifications if his actions were ordered or endorsed in the structure of a work place. Incognito has to answer to his bosses as well.

And to apply a term closer to football, albeit it college, it would appear Dolphin management has displayed a lack of instituitional control

 

[Pump N Go]

If the coaches told Incogneto to "toughen him up" they are done (and it doesn't matter what they thought would happen). This is a workplace and you can't have managers allow that type of behavior.

Literally every coach would be fired from the NFL under this reasoning.

 

[Sammy3469]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

I'm sure the courts will disagree with this. All the Dolphin coaches better hope there's no documentation on their involvement (and yes Rex would be up a creek if Gholston filed a lawsuit against him).

 

[mr roboto]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

This thread officially sucks when you can't even crack wise. ####### hell dude, I'm kidding. And I don't think you get it. Incognito is known as a bad dude. Pick someone else to get Martin in line that hasn't been arrested for assault.

 

[Pump N Go]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

I'm sure the courts will disagree with this. All the Dolphin coaches better hope there's no documentation on their involvement (and yes Rex would be up a creek if Gholston filed a lawsuit against him).

Let's see if this goes to the courts, Martin's pretty much alienated himself from pro football with this episode anyway imo so he has nothing left to lose. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out if it does go that route.

 

[Pump N Go]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

This thread officially sucks when you can't even crack wise. ####### hell dude, I'm kidding. And I don't think you get it. Incognito is known as a bad dude. Pick someone else to get Martin in line that hasn't been arrested for assault.

Nah I definitely got it, but some people in here are making legit comparisons to what would happen at their work if so and so happened.

 

[mr roboto]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

This thread officially sucks when you can't even crack wise. ####### hell dude, I'm kidding. And I don't think you get it. Incognito is known as a bad dude. Pick someone else to get Martin in line that hasn't been arrested for assault.

Nah I definitely got it, but some people in here are making legit comparisons to what would happen at their work if so and so happened.

There's. Nothing. Special. About. Football. Players.

 

[Pump N Go]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

This thread officially sucks when you can't even crack wise. ####### hell dude, I'm kidding. And I don't think you get it. Incognito is known as a bad dude. Pick someone else to get Martin in line that hasn't been arrested for assault.

Nah I definitely got it, but some people in here are making legit comparisons to what would happen at their work if so and so happened.

There's. Nothing. Special. About. Football. Players.

You seem slow, let me break it down for you.

Literally every single practice where there is a skirmish, an assault charged can be laid. Literally every football practice, a verbal harassment in the workplace complaint can be made. The two times I can remember it ever going to the courts was Romanowski punching his teammate and Steve Smith jumping a practice squad receiver. I might be missing a couple more, but out of the hundreds of thousands of opportunities for charges to be pressed, its happened a handful where serious bodily harm was inflicted.

You see what the difference here is bud? They play by a separate set of rules at their jobs whether you like it or not.

 

[mr roboto]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

This thread officially sucks when you can't even crack wise. ####### hell dude, I'm kidding. And I don't think you get it. Incognito is known as a bad dude. Pick someone else to get Martin in line that hasn't been arrested for assault.

Nah I definitely got it, but some people in here are making legit comparisons to what would happen at their work if so and so happened.

There's. Nothing. Special. About. Football. Players.

You seem slow, let me break it down for you.

Literally every single practice where there is a skirmish, an assault charged can be laid. Literally every football practice, a verbal harassment in the workplace complaint can be made. The two times I can remember it ever going to the courts was Romanowski punching his teammate and Steve Smith jumping a practice squad receiver. I might be missing a couple more, but out of the hundreds of thousands of opportunities for charges to be pressed, its happened a handful where serious bodily harm was inflicted.

You see what the difference here is bud? They play by a separate set of rules at their jobs whether you like it or not.

Pleade read the last 10 pages. We've covered all this already. 'Bud'. There's a difference between what is normal in the course of football and extortion, threats and real bullying. But keep on glorifying the 300 lb meatheads. Just because its different doesn't mean it's right or necessary.

 

[Quez]

Vince Mcmahon should offer Incognito a gig. He is a natural heel.

 

[ldizzle]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

 

[KCitons]

Do NFL players practice sending nasty vm's during workouts? Is this a normal part of the NFL and will there be some way to measure the vm or texting talent at next years combine?

On a serious note, how do we know that Philbin told Incognito to tough Martin up? Is this coming from Incognito? And where does the burden of proof fall if this case goes to court? Every Fins coach is going to deny, deny, deny.

 

[The Goat]

Vince Mcmahon should offer Incognito a gig. He is a natural heel.

I hadn't thought about this. This would be awesome.

 

[Pump N Go]

Asking Incognito to toughen someone up is like asking the creepy perv in the office to take the secretary out to show her a good time.

Hmmm I don't know about that. Again, you can't use a regular work place as a comparison to someone on a football team regardless of your high horse. This kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL where coaches are trying to light a spark under a player. I remember on the Jets Hard Knocks Rex told someone to pick a fight with Vernon Gholston to get him going, should he be charged with accessory to assault?

This thread officially sucks when you can't even crack wise. ####### hell dude, I'm kidding. And I don't think you get it. Incognito is known as a bad dude. Pick someone else to get Martin in line that hasn't been arrested for assault.

Nah I definitely got it, but some people in here are making legit comparisons to what would happen at their work if so and so happened.

There's. Nothing. Special. About. Football. Players.

You seem slow, let me break it down for you.

Literally every single practice where there is a skirmish, an assault charged can be laid. Literally every football practice, a verbal harassment in the workplace complaint can be made. The two times I can remember it ever going to the courts was Romanowski punching his teammate and Steve Smith jumping a practice squad receiver. I might be missing a couple more, but out of the hundreds of thousands of opportunities for charges to be pressed, its happened a handful where serious bodily harm was inflicted.

You see what the difference here is bud? They play by a separate set of rules at their jobs whether you like it or not.

Pleade read the last 10 pages. We've covered all this already. 'Bud'. There's a difference between what is normal in the course of football and extortion, threats and real bullying. But keep on glorifying the 300 lb meatheads. Just because its different doesn't mean it's right or necessary.

The thing is, hundreds (probably thousands) of guys have gone through the exact same thing that Martin went through but this incident is the only one that's ever blown up.

Rich Gannon talked about the rookie tax this week so did Larry Fitzgerald, it happens in every sport no matter how wrong you think it is.

Incognito is a POS no doubt, but Martin (because of his reaction) in the outlier here not Incognito (because of his behaviour) no matter how much you don't want to admit it.

 

[Norman Paperman]

If the voicemail was so bad and offensive, why did Martin wait until now to release it?

 

[RBM]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

 

[RBM]

I cannot believe this circus is over one voicemail that happened 7 months ago.

 

[KCitons]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

Why do you label someone who chooses to handle this situation without violence a wuss?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

A lot of internet tough guys in this thread. Lol

I don't get this. Why is this the recurring label for anyone that takes the "Martin should've handled it better" side?

Really makes no sense.

RBM, the people that say Martin should have handled it better don't give specifics, and should they do they are outlandish like "bust him in the mouf". What was your suggestion again?