Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (3 Viewers)

[ChuckLiddell]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Len Bias? KC, Len Bias died. Maybe Todem is Jim Morrison.

Bias is a noun, or at times a verb. The adjective form is "biased". Not bad for a knuckle-dragger, huh?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Well run dry on things to defend your POV on all this?

You didn't tell us why it's OK with you for Chuck to post about the golf course incident, but you object to me posting about it.

But what does that golf incident in 2012 have anything to do with what happened in the lunch room as Martin left? Do you really think that event was rolling thru his head as he marched out? Do you think Martin suffered from Inc doing this in 2012? What is the fan base missing here that is so obvious to a few of you?

 

[Hang 10]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

This is just silly. How old is this story? They shouldn't have to delay it til after the super bowl because the report should have come out months ago. How the hell has this thing dragged on this long?

 

[Todem]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Yes..I can admit I am biased....absolutely. I want his claims to be BS. Want that to be the case. But I also am just stating what I truly feel. I see a guy who is a coward and a quitter.

 

[Pump N Go]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

 

[KCitons]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Len Bias? KC, Len Bias died. Maybe Todem is Jim Morrison.

Bias is a noun, or at times a verb. The adjective form is "biased". Not bad for a knuckle-dragger, huh?

I think you're wrong. But, if the best you have is correcting my grammar, so be it.

Ted Bundy was a considered smart, but it didn't make him correct.

 

[KCitons]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Yes..I can admit I am biased....absolutely. I want his claims to be BS. Want that to be the case. But I also am just stating what I truly feel. I see a guy who is a coward and a quitter.

Fair enough. I see a guy that at least deserves the benefit of the doubt, until all the facts are released.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

The JM Fan Club refuses to acknowledge any of these accounts as viable. And don't even dare to bring up the fact that JM's mom is an attorney who specializes in employment law lest you desire to be ridiculed and degraded in public forum.

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

The JM Fan Club refuses to acknowledge any of these accounts as viable. And don't even dare to bring up the fact that JM's mom is an attorney who specializes in employment law lest you desire to be ridiculed and degraded in public forum.

So, any person that claims to be a victim, should not be allow due process? Regardless of family members occupation or anything else for that matter?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Len Bias? KC, Len Bias died. Maybe Todem is Jim Morrison.

Bias is a noun, or at times a verb. The adjective form is "biased". Not bad for a knuckle-dragger, huh?

I think you're wrong. But, if the best you have is correcting my grammar, so be it.

Ted Bundy was a considered smart, but it didn't make him correct.

That isn't all I've got...you give me plenty to work with if I wanted to break you down. It was just hanging there, and had to be plucked.

If Ted Bundy said that "bias" was a noun or a verb but not an adjective, he would absolutely be correct.

 

[KCitons]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Len Bias? KC, Len Bias died. Maybe Todem is Jim Morrison.

Bias is a noun, or at times a verb. The adjective form is "biased". Not bad for a knuckle-dragger, huh?

I think you're wrong. But, if the best you have is correcting my grammar, so be it.

Ted Bundy was a considered smart, but it didn't make him correct.

That isn't all I've got...you give me plenty to work with if I wanted to break you down. It was just hanging there, and had to be plucked.

If Ted Bundy said that "bias" was a noun or a verb but not an adjective, he would absolutely be correct.

Yep and he'd still be a serial killer. Given the choice, I'd rather be poor at grammar.

By the way, I'm still not sure I used it incorrectly in my original sentence.

 

[Pump N Go]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

You asked "how do we know who Martin is". You didn't ask about the claims of bullying. 2 separate issues. He answered your question. We have several accounts from teammates, former teammates, and beat writers as well as many instances demonstrating hypocrisy and double standards. We have a total of no accounts supporting Martin's claims. That answers your question.

ETA - So happy to see the notable improvement in your grammar!

 

[ChuckLiddell]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Len Bias? KC, Len Bias died. Maybe Todem is Jim Morrison.

Bias is a noun, or at times a verb. The adjective form is "biased". Not bad for a knuckle-dragger, huh?

I think you're wrong. But, if the best you have is correcting my grammar, so be it.

Ted Bundy was a considered smart, but it didn't make him correct.

That isn't all I've got...you give me plenty to work with if I wanted to break you down. It was just hanging there, and had to be plucked.

If Ted Bundy said that "bias" was a noun or a verb but not an adjective, he would absolutely be correct.

Yep and he'd still be a serial killer. Given the choice, I'd rather be poor at grammar.

By the way, I'm still not sure I used it incorrectly in my original sentence.

You most definitely did. Plus, it is possible to have good grammar and not be a serial killer at the same time. Its more common than you would think.

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

 

[KCitons]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Len Bias? KC, Len Bias died. Maybe Todem is Jim Morrison.

Bias is a noun, or at times a verb. The adjective form is "biased". Not bad for a knuckle-dragger, huh?

I think you're wrong. But, if the best you have is correcting my grammar, so be it.

Ted Bundy was a considered smart, but it didn't make him correct.

That isn't all I've got...you give me plenty to work with if I wanted to break you down. It was just hanging there, and had to be plucked.

If Ted Bundy said that "bias" was a noun or a verb but not an adjective, he would absolutely be correct.

Yep and he'd still be a serial killer. Given the choice, I'd rather be poor at grammar.

By the way, I'm still not sure I used it incorrectly in my original sentence.

You most definitely did. Plus, it is possible to have good grammar and not be a serial killer at the same time. Its more common than you would think.

Prove it.

 

[Pump N Go]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think I'm done until we get the report or something really important is being discussed, this is just a waste of time until then.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

The report being delayed until after the Super Bowl is just PR on the league's part in my view. The league delayed the release before the report was completed. For PR purposes they don't want any bad news from the report mixing with playoff, Super Bowl, and new coach stories. I don't blame them for that. I also don't think it has anything to do with the content of the report.

You very may well be right. And if it is indeed a trainwreck.....I will stand to be corrected.

I can own up if I am wrong in my assumption like KC and others can hopefully also own up in their assumptions.

Because that is all we are doing here......making assumptions and talking about it. It's not personal. If I were not a Dolphins fan...I would never even follow this story.

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

You must have a short memory, because I made this exact statement weeks ago. If Martin is wrong in his claims, then he deserves any negative effects as a result.

Len Bias? KC, Len Bias died. Maybe Todem is Jim Morrison.

Bias is a noun, or at times a verb. The adjective form is "biased". Not bad for a knuckle-dragger, huh?

I think you're wrong. But, if the best you have is correcting my grammar, so be it.

Ted Bundy was a considered smart, but it didn't make him correct.

That isn't all I've got...you give me plenty to work with if I wanted to break you down. It was just hanging there, and had to be plucked.

If Ted Bundy said that "bias" was a noun or a verb but not an adjective, he would absolutely be correct.

Yep and he'd still be a serial killer. Given the choice, I'd rather be poor at grammar.

By the way, I'm still not sure I used it incorrectly in my original sentence.

You most definitely did. Plus, it is possible to have good grammar and not be a serial killer at the same time. Its more common than you would think.

Prove it.

You have a computer...look it up. I'm not your English teacher. I just like to piss you off sometimes.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

The sides as I understand them are that JM was bullied or JM was not bullied. Link to the locker room witnesses that say Martin was bullied? Possible I missed that.

 

[Pump N Go]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

The sides as I understand them are that JM was bullied or JM was not bullied. Link to the locker room witnesses that say Martin was bullied? Possible I missed that.

I would be interested in that too

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

The sides as I understand them are that JM was bullied or JM was not bullied. Link to the locker room witnesses that say Martin was bullied? Possible I missed that.

This is where you are wrong.

The side I am on is JM could have been bullied. The side you are on is. the NFL is for men, there is no possible way that a person could be bullied, it's just part of the culture.

And I did look it up, I used it correctly. Didn't bother me that you pointed it out.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

True that this could be used to build a case, and that an attorney will likely do just that. However, what an attorney would use to build a case does not necessarily reflect the reality of a situation. It reflects their desire to win a case. Does that incident really have anything to do with Martin's claims that he was bullied in your mind? Does it diminish in any way the claim that Martin is a crybaby hypocrite? Seems like a weak foundation to me personally.

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

The sides as I understand them are that JM was bullied or JM was not bullied. Link to the locker room witnesses that say Martin was bullied? Possible I missed that.

I would be interested in that too

Where did reports of the Dolphins locker room employee being harassed come from?

There is proof that Incognito was a rogue veteran. The Dolphins did little to curb that attitude, and in some cases, they facilitated it.

There is no proof that anything Martin said was false. We don't have all the facts to prove one way or another.

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

True that this could be used to build a case, and that an attorney will likely do just that. However, what an attorney would use to build a case does not necessarily reflect the reality of a situation. It reflects their desire to win a case. Does that incident really have anything to do with Martin's claims that he was bullied in your mind? Does it diminish in any way the claim that Martin is a crybaby hypocrite? Seems like a weak foundation to me personally.

Here is a good example. You start out with a thoughtful and intelligent statement, then follow it up with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

What facts do you have that he is a hypocrite?

When I bashed Incognito as being a meatheaded jerk, I had years of history to draw from. Since this story broke, things haven't gotten better for Richie, they've only gotten worse.

As far as winning a case. I agree, there are different ways to win, doesn't always need to be correct. But at this point, there is no case. And we can't even establish what is fact and what is fiction.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

The sides as I understand them are that JM was bullied or JM was not bullied. Link to the locker room witnesses that say Martin was bullied? Possible I missed that.

This is where you are wrong.

The side I am on is JM could have been bullied. The side you are on is. the NFL is for men, there is no possible way that a person could be bullied, it's just part of the culture.

And I did look it up, I used it correctly. Didn't bother me that you pointed it out.

Yeah...how about you not tell me what my position is if you are going to completely spin it in your usual form to fit where you want it to fit. I have said at least 20 times that if there was physical hazing along the lines of what Cam Cleeland endured, that my position would change. That just didn't make it through your blinders. Calling people names in a playful back and forth manner...no problem with that. If you do, then we see the NFL culture very differently.

And if you must force me to show you how wrong you are about the use of the word "bias", here you go. I didn't want to take this thread down to this level, but you asked...and who am I to deprive you of a good lesson in grammar when you are begging for it?

bi·as
ˈbīəs/
noun
noun: bias; plural noun: biases

1. 1.
   prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
   "there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants"
   synonyms: prejudice, partiality, partisanship, favoritism, unfairness, one-sidedness; More bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, leaning, tendency, inclination, predilection, casteism
   "he accused the media of bias"
   antonyms: impartiality
   • a concentration on or interest in one particular area or subject.
     "he worked on a variety of Greek topics, with a discernible bias toward philosophy"
     
   • Statistics
     a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.
     
2. 2.
   in some sports, such as lawn bowling, the irregular shape given to a ball.
   • the oblique course taken by a ball as a result of its irregular shape.
     
3. 3.
   Electronics
   a steady voltage, magnetic field, or other factor applied to an electronic system or device to cause it to operate over a predetermined range.
   

verb
verb: bias; 3rd person present: biases; past tense: biased; past participle: biased; gerund or present participle: biasing

1. 1.
   cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something.
   "readers said the paper was biased toward the conservatives"
   synonyms: prejudice, influence, color, sway, weight, predispose; More
   
   bi·ased
   ˈbīəst/
   adjective
   adjective: biased
   1.
   unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.
   "we will not tolerate this biased media coverage"
   

 

[KCitons]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

The sides as I understand them are that JM was bullied or JM was not bullied. Link to the locker room witnesses that say Martin was bullied? Possible I missed that.

This is where you are wrong.

The side I am on is JM could have been bullied. The side you are on is. the NFL is for men, there is no possible way that a person could be bullied, it's just part of the culture.

And I did look it up, I used it correctly. Didn't bother me that you pointed it out.

Yeah...how about you not tell me what my position is if you are going to completely spin it in your usual form to fit where you want it to fit. I have said at least 20 times that if there was physical hazing along the lines of what Cam Cleeland endured, that my position would change. That just didn't make it through your blinders. Calling people names in a playful back and forth manner...no problem with that. If you do, then we see the NFL culture very differently.

And if you must force me to show you how wrong you are about the use of the word "bias", here you go. I didn't want to take this thread down to this level, but you asked...and who am I to deprive you of a good lesson in grammar when you are begging for it?

bi·as
ˈbīəs/
noun
noun: bias; plural noun: biases

1. 1.
   prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
   "there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants"
   synonyms: prejudice, partiality, partisanship, favoritism, unfairness, one-sidedness; More bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, leaning, tendency, inclination, predilection, casteism
   "he accused the media of bias"
   antonyms: impartiality
   • a concentration on or interest in one particular area or subject.
     "he worked on a variety of Greek topics, with a discernible bias toward philosophy"
     
   • Statistics
     a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.
     
2. 2.
   in some sports, such as lawn bowling, the irregular shape given to a ball.
   • the oblique course taken by a ball as a result of its irregular shape.
     
3. 3.
   Electronics
   a steady voltage, magnetic field, or other factor applied to an electronic system or device to cause it to operate over a predetermined range.
   

verb
verb: bias; 3rd person present: biases; past tense: biased; past participle: biased; gerund or present participle: biasing

1. 1.
   cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something.
   "readers said the paper was biased toward the conservatives"
   synonyms: prejudice, influence, color, sway, weight, predispose; More
   
   bi·ased
   ˈbīəst/
   adjective
   adjective: biased
   1.
   unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.
   "we will not tolerate this biased media coverage"
   

Then you could at least agree that you are bias?

Thanks for proving my point.

You went from one extreme to the other with the levels of hazing. In your mind it's either extreme physical abuse, or its verbal ribbing.

Where is the line in the middle that makes Martin correct in his allegations? What if it's a combination of things?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Incognito is a d bag and Martin is a crybaby hypocrite, these are the facts boys.

I can agree with half of this.

Until we have more facts, how do you know what Martin is?

Brian Hartlines account from in the locker room, Martin's released text, Martin partying at Stanford a week or two after he had to check into mentaal rehab, etc. The strip club photo is pretty funny too.

So for each of those, we have incidents that also support Martin's claim of bullying. Forced OL meetings, fines, etc.

How can you credit one, and discredit the others. That seems BIASED. (that ones for Chuck)

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

True that this could be used to build a case, and that an attorney will likely do just that. However, what an attorney would use to build a case does not necessarily reflect the reality of a situation. It reflects their desire to win a case. Does that incident really have anything to do with Martin's claims that he was bullied in your mind? Does it diminish in any way the claim that Martin is a crybaby hypocrite? Seems like a weak foundation to me personally.

Here is a good example. You start out with a thoughtful and intelligent statement, then follow it up with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

What facts do you have that he is a hypocrite?

When I bashed Incognito as being a meatheaded jerk, I had years of history to draw from. Since this story broke, things haven't gotten better for Richie, they've only gotten worse.

As far as winning a case. I agree, there are different ways to win, doesn't always need to be correct. But at this point, there is no case. And we can't even establish what is fact and what is fiction.

Here is a good example of what?

Crybaby hypocrite was the term thrown out there that you posted a response to. I was just re-quoting it.

As far as evidence of his hypocrisy:

1. He threw his meatloaf on the floor after a lunchroom hazing and quit the team. He participated in the same haze of Nate Garner the week prior.

2. He complained (through is attorney) that he didn't approve of the strip club meetings. We are seeing clear evidence that he didn't feel all that strongly about it...and seems to actually be enjoying it.

3. He complained about raunchy texts. In context, we all seem to agree that they were not intended as harmful, and from what we can tell, he gave it back as good as he got it.

4. I don't recall the details, but I remember some story about him participating in rookie hazing where they moved a players bed outside while he was out for the night. Yet he sues the team over hazing?

Take the blinders off!

 

[ChuckLiddell]

KC -

I'm done with the English lesson. You don't get it. You are not going to get it. But you are 100% wrong. No question, not even debatable. You should drop it too. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[KCitons]

KC -

I'm done with the English lesson. You don't get it. You are not going to get it. But you are 100% wrong. No question, not even debatable. You should drop it too. You are embarrassing yourself.

If it makes you feel better, I won't argue the grammar any longer.

 

[KCitons]

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

True that this could be used to build a case, and that an attorney will likely do just that. However, what an attorney would use to build a case does not necessarily reflect the reality of a situation. It reflects their desire to win a case. Does that incident really have anything to do with Martin's claims that he was bullied in your mind? Does it diminish in any way the claim that Martin is a crybaby hypocrite? Seems like a weak foundation to me personally.

Here is a good example. You start out with a thoughtful and intelligent statement, then follow it up with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

What facts do you have that he is a hypocrite?

When I bashed Incognito as being a meatheaded jerk, I had years of history to draw from. Since this story broke, things haven't gotten better for Richie, they've only gotten worse.

As far as winning a case. I agree, there are different ways to win, doesn't always need to be correct. But at this point, there is no case. And we can't even establish what is fact and what is fiction.

Here is a good example of what?

Crybaby hypocrite was the term thrown out there that you posted a response to. I was just re-quoting it.

As far as evidence of his hypocrisy:

1. He threw his meatloaf on the floor after a lunchroom hazing and quit the team. He participated in the same haze of Nate Garner the week prior.

No problem here, this falls into the realm of rookie hazing. You are making a giant leap that this is the reason he left the team. This may have been the tiny straw that finally broke him.

2. He complained (through is attorney) that he didn't approve of the strip club meetings. We are seeing clear evidence that he didn't feel all that strongly about it...and seems to actually be enjoying it.

We have also heard that the strip club meetings were mandatory. If a player didn't attend, he was subject to a fine. I think most people would disapprove of this type of workplace behavior. It wasn't that Martin disapproved of strip clubs, or strippers. He was making the best of the situation that he was forced to deal with. Did it make him a better player? I doubt it and he may have taken issue with that part of it.

3. He complained about raunchy texts. In context, we all seem to agree that they were not intended as harmful, and from what we can tell, he gave it back as god as he got it.

We don't have the context of either of the players texts. So we don't know if they were of a harmful nature. Hopefully the NFL will give more insight into this when the report is released.

4. I don't recall the details, but I remember some story about him participating in rookie hazing where they moved a players bed outside while he was out for the night. Yet he sues the team over hazing?

Again, rookie hazing is alright with me. As long as it's kept within reason. We both agree the Cam Kleeland situation is over the line. We don't know what happened in regards to Martin's claim of physical abuse. We have zero facts either way on this subject, but some continue to call him a hypocrite, or wuss, or whatever.

Where is the link to Martins law suit?

Take the blinders off!

btw, you spelled his wrong.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

True that this could be used to build a case, and that an attorney will likely do just that. However, what an attorney would use to build a case does not necessarily reflect the reality of a situation. It reflects their desire to win a case. Does that incident really have anything to do with Martin's claims that he was bullied in your mind? Does it diminish in any way the claim that Martin is a crybaby hypocrite? Seems like a weak foundation to me personally.

Here is a good example. You start out with a thoughtful and intelligent statement, then follow it up with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

What facts do you have that he is a hypocrite?

When I bashed Incognito as being a meatheaded jerk, I had years of history to draw from. Since this story broke, things haven't gotten better for Richie, they've only gotten worse.

As far as winning a case. I agree, there are different ways to win, doesn't always need to be correct. But at this point, there is no case. And we can't even establish what is fact and what is fiction.

Here is a good example of what?

Crybaby hypocrite was the term thrown out there that you posted a response to. I was just re-quoting it.

As far as evidence of his hypocrisy:

1. He threw his meatloaf on the floor after a lunchroom hazing and quit the team. He participated in the same haze of Nate Garner the week prior.

No problem here, this falls into the realm of rookie hazing. You are making a giant leap that this is the reason he left the team. This may have been the tiny straw that finally broke him.

2. He complained (through is attorney) that he didn't approve of the strip club meetings. We are seeing clear evidence that he didn't feel all that strongly about it...and seems to actually be enjoying it.

We have also heard that the strip club meetings were mandatory. If a player didn't attend, he was subject to a fine. I think most people would disapprove of this type of workplace behavior. It wasn't that Martin disapproved of strip clubs, or strippers. He was making the best of the situation that he was forced to deal with. Did it make him a better player? I doubt it and he may have taken issue with that part of it.

3. He complained about raunchy texts. In context, we all seem to agree that they were not intended as harmful, and from what we can tell, he gave it back as god as he got it.

We don't have the context of either of the players texts. So we don't know if they were of a harmful nature. Hopefully the NFL will give more insight into this when the report is released.

4. I don't recall the details, but I remember some story about him participating in rookie hazing where they moved a players bed outside while he was out for the night. Yet he sues the team over hazing?

Again, rookie hazing is alright with me. As long as it's kept within reason. We both agree the Cam Kleeland situation is over the line. We don't know what happened in regards to Martin's claim of physical abuse. We have zero facts either way on this subject, but some continue to call him a hypocrite, or wuss, or whatever.

Where is the link to Martins law suit?

Take the blinders off!

btw, you spelled his wrong.

You asked for evidence of hypocrisy. I provided it. You can ignore it, or blame it on others besides JM all you want. That's your prerogative.

Hazing others, and then quitting a team due to hazing is the act of a hypocrite. Its pretty cut and dry.

Regarding the lawsuit...you have a point. I am jumping to the conclusion that he will eventually file one, but it hasn't happened as yet. He has however hired an attorney to represent him. Represent him in what, if not a lawsuit? Is he worried that he will be sued? IMO, the only way he does not file a lawsuit is if the evidence is so clearly against him that the suit would be deemed frivolous. That could happen, as all signs are pointing toward that end right now.

 

[KCitons]

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

True that this could be used to build a case, and that an attorney will likely do just that. However, what an attorney would use to build a case does not necessarily reflect the reality of a situation. It reflects their desire to win a case. Does that incident really have anything to do with Martin's claims that he was bullied in your mind? Does it diminish in any way the claim that Martin is a crybaby hypocrite? Seems like a weak foundation to me personally.

Here is a good example. You start out with a thoughtful and intelligent statement, then follow it up with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

What facts do you have that he is a hypocrite?

When I bashed Incognito as being a meatheaded jerk, I had years of history to draw from. Since this story broke, things haven't gotten better for Richie, they've only gotten worse.

As far as winning a case. I agree, there are different ways to win, doesn't always need to be correct. But at this point, there is no case. And we can't even establish what is fact and what is fiction.

Here is a good example of what?

Crybaby hypocrite was the term thrown out there that you posted a response to. I was just re-quoting it.

As far as evidence of his hypocrisy:

1. He threw his meatloaf on the floor after a lunchroom hazing and quit the team. He participated in the same haze of Nate Garner the week prior.

No problem here, this falls into the realm of rookie hazing. You are making a giant leap that this is the reason he left the team. This may have been the tiny straw that finally broke him.

2. He complained (through is attorney) that he didn't approve of the strip club meetings. We are seeing clear evidence that he didn't feel all that strongly about it...and seems to actually be enjoying it.

We have also heard that the strip club meetings were mandatory. If a player didn't attend, he was subject to a fine. I think most people would disapprove of this type of workplace behavior. It wasn't that Martin disapproved of strip clubs, or strippers. He was making the best of the situation that he was forced to deal with. Did it make him a better player? I doubt it and he may have taken issue with that part of it.

3. He complained about raunchy texts. In context, we all seem to agree that they were not intended as harmful, and from what we can tell, he gave it back as god as he got it.

We don't have the context of either of the players texts. So we don't know if they were of a harmful nature. Hopefully the NFL will give more insight into this when the report is released.

4. I don't recall the details, but I remember some story about him participating in rookie hazing where they moved a players bed outside while he was out for the night. Yet he sues the team over hazing?

Again, rookie hazing is alright with me. As long as it's kept within reason. We both agree the Cam Kleeland situation is over the line. We don't know what happened in regards to Martin's claim of physical abuse. We have zero facts either way on this subject, but some continue to call him a hypocrite, or wuss, or whatever.

Where is the link to Martins law suit?

Take the blinders off!

btw, you spelled his wrong.

You asked for evidence of hypocrisy. I provided it. You can ignore it, or blame it on others besides JM all you want. That's your prerogative.

Hazing others, and then quitting a team due to hazing is the act of a hypocrite. Its pretty cut and dry.

Regarding the lawsuit...you have a point. I am jumping to the conclusion that he will eventually file one, but it hasn't happened as yet. He has however hired an attorney to represent him. Represent him in what, if not a lawsuit? Is he worried that he will be sued? IMO, the only way he does not file a lawsuit is if the evidence is so clearly against him that the suit would be deemed frivolous. That could happen, as all signs are pointing toward that end right now.

He didn't leave because of hazing. He left because of bullying. You keep interchanging those terms as if they are the same.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

lol what? Martin was along for the ride and bailed when the going got touch, he used all the stuff he was a part of as an out.

KC you're either being willfully blind or trolling at this point, the jig is up on Martin all the evidence is there.

Careful, Chuck is going to have to auto correct you for your mispellings.

Sorry, I haven't seen any proof that supports either side definitively. Both sides have texts, both sides have locker room witnesses. The facts we do have are from a sexual assault case and a Dolphins employee being harassed. Either way, not enough to make a decision.

Missing what the sexual assault case has anything to do with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

Establish a pattern of misconduct by Incognito and to a lesser degree the Dolphins organization. Things like this could be used to build a case.

True that this could be used to build a case, and that an attorney will likely do just that. However, what an attorney would use to build a case does not necessarily reflect the reality of a situation. It reflects their desire to win a case. Does that incident really have anything to do with Martin's claims that he was bullied in your mind? Does it diminish in any way the claim that Martin is a crybaby hypocrite? Seems like a weak foundation to me personally.

Here is a good example. You start out with a thoughtful and intelligent statement, then follow it up with Martin being a crybaby hypocrite.

What facts do you have that he is a hypocrite?

When I bashed Incognito as being a meatheaded jerk, I had years of history to draw from. Since this story broke, things haven't gotten better for Richie, they've only gotten worse.

As far as winning a case. I agree, there are different ways to win, doesn't always need to be correct. But at this point, there is no case. And we can't even establish what is fact and what is fiction.

Here is a good example of what?

Crybaby hypocrite was the term thrown out there that you posted a response to. I was just re-quoting it.

As far as evidence of his hypocrisy:

1. He threw his meatloaf on the floor after a lunchroom hazing and quit the team. He participated in the same haze of Nate Garner the week prior.

No problem here, this falls into the realm of rookie hazing. You are making a giant leap that this is the reason he left the team. This may have been the tiny straw that finally broke him.

2. He complained (through is attorney) that he didn't approve of the strip club meetings. We are seeing clear evidence that he didn't feel all that strongly about it...and seems to actually be enjoying it.

We have also heard that the strip club meetings were mandatory. If a player didn't attend, he was subject to a fine. I think most people would disapprove of this type of workplace behavior. It wasn't that Martin disapproved of strip clubs, or strippers. He was making the best of the situation that he was forced to deal with. Did it make him a better player? I doubt it and he may have taken issue with that part of it.

3. He complained about raunchy texts. In context, we all seem to agree that they were not intended as harmful, and from what we can tell, he gave it back as god as he got it.

We don't have the context of either of the players texts. So we don't know if they were of a harmful nature. Hopefully the NFL will give more insight into this when the report is released.

4. I don't recall the details, but I remember some story about him participating in rookie hazing where they moved a players bed outside while he was out for the night. Yet he sues the team over hazing?

Again, rookie hazing is alright with me. As long as it's kept within reason. We both agree the Cam Kleeland situation is over the line. We don't know what happened in regards to Martin's claim of physical abuse. We have zero facts either way on this subject, but some continue to call him a hypocrite, or wuss, or whatever.

Where is the link to Martins law suit?

Take the blinders off!

btw, you spelled his wrong.

You asked for evidence of hypocrisy. I provided it. You can ignore it, or blame it on others besides JM all you want. That's your prerogative.

Hazing others, and then quitting a team due to hazing is the act of a hypocrite. Its pretty cut and dry.

Regarding the lawsuit...you have a point. I am jumping to the conclusion that he will eventually file one, but it hasn't happened as yet. He has however hired an attorney to represent him. Represent him in what, if not a lawsuit? Is he worried that he will be sued? IMO, the only way he does not file a lawsuit is if the evidence is so clearly against him that the suit would be deemed frivolous. That could happen, as all signs are pointing toward that end right now.

He didn't leave because of hazing. He left because of bullying. You keep interchanging those terms as if they are the same.

I know you are a huge fanboy of his, but how do you know this? Because his lawyer says so?

You asked for evidence of hypocrisy. I will be more specific.

Throwing your meal down on the ground like a 4 year old who does not want to eat his broccoli and storming out of the lunchroom never to return to your team as a result of you getting hazed in the exact same way that you had hazed another the previous week, is hypocrisy. Is it not in your opinion?

 

[Doug B]

[Martin] didn't leave because of hazing. He left because of bullying.

I agree that this is a valuable distinction to make. However, Martin's camp is going to have to find some way to prove that Incognito's (and others' ?) actions went over that line.

I'm kind of wondering whether Martin ends up suing Incognito personally instead of the Dolphins ... not sure if that makes any kind of sense, though. So many loose ends to this point.

 

[KCitons]

He didn't leave because of hazing. He left because of bullying. You keep interchanging those terms as if they are the same.

I know you are a huge fanboy of his, but how do you know this? Because his lawyer says so?

You asked for evidence of hypocrisy. I will be more specific.

Throwing your meal down on the ground like a 4 year old who does not want to eat his broccoli and storming out of the lunchroom never to return to your team as a result of you getting hazed in the exact same way that you had hazed another the previous week, is hypocrisy. Is it not in your opinion?

I know, it's difficult for you to understand the difference. Is Martin being a hypocrite if he sues over hazing? Probably. Is he being a hypocrite if sues over being bullied? No. Show me proof of bullying.

Is the OL meetings at a strip club a hazing thing or a bullying thing? Are all offensive linemen, regardless of tenure required to attend these meetings or suffer a fine? If so, then it's not hazing.

Throwing down his meal is childish. I won't argue that. But, did you ever wonder what could have happened that would cause person to act this way? Especially a grown man?

Some here don't want facts, they've labeled Martin from the beginning. Regardless of facts.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

KC - My responses to your post are bolded.

I know, it's difficult for you to understand the difference. Is Martin being a hypocrite if he sues over hazing? Probably. Is he being a hypocrite if sues over being a bullied? No.

He is a hypocrite for doing the things he is now vilifying others for doing. Its pretty simple. Don't complicate it.

Is the OL meetings at a strip club a hazing thing or a bullying thing? Are all offensive linemen, regardless of tenure required to attend these meetings or suffer a fine? If so, then it's not hazing.

If making someone go to a strip club is bullying, then so be it. Doesn't seem worthy of quitting a football team to me. Seems like something a lawyer would use to build a case that lacks any real foundation. Unless you are morally against it. One who is morally against strippers and is asked to go to a strip club has a responsibility to voice that opposition. In the absence of that, he cannot assume others to know how he feels. Taking pictures like the one we saw, and sending alleged texts talking abut how you want to take your friends to the same strip club does not seem to lean in the direction that he was morally opposed.

Throwing down his meal is childish. I won't argue that. But, did you ever wonder what could have happened that would cause person to act this way? Especially a grown man?

Absolutely. That's the point. That's the origin of the opinion that he is a crybaby.

Some here don't want facts, they've labeled Martin from the beginning. Regardless of facts.

False if you are referring to me individually. Still waiting to hear a "fact" that supports bullying. Or for that matter, an opinion from the locker room supporting it outside of JM himself.

 

[KCitons]

I guess you will never understand Chuck. Do you know the difference between hazing and bullying.

Show me any proof of Martin being a bully. If he sues, it won't be for hazing. It will be for bullying.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Or maybe I should just go to the standard reply. You must be fishing or trolling, 'cause you can't be serious.

 

[mad sweeney]

I love the whole "MOP as calm and courteous level headed guy" shtick.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I guess you will never understand Chuck. Do you know the difference between hazing and bullying.

Show me any proof of Martin being a bully. If he sues, it won't be for hazing. It will be for bullying.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Or maybe I should just go to the standard reply. You must be fishing or trolling, 'cause you can't be serious.

Where did this come from? When did I accuse Martin of being a bully? I said he was a hypocrite. If he sues, it will be for hazing that his attorneys claim to be bullying. At least based upon what we know today.

That's the standard reply? I have never used that reply ever. No idea where you are coming from with this post.

 

[KCitons]

I guess you will never understand Chuck. Do you know the difference between hazing and bullying.

Show me any proof of Martin being a bully. If he sues, it won't be for hazing. It will be for bullying.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Or maybe I should just go to the standard reply. You must be fishing or trolling, 'cause you can't be serious.

Where did this come from? When did I accuse Martin of being a bully? I said he was a hypocrite. If he sues, it will be for hazing that his attorneys claim to be bullying. At least based upon what we know today.

That's the standard reply? I have never used that reply ever. No idea where you are coming from with this post.

If he sues for hazing, he isn't going to have a case. Someone would have to cross the line from hazing to bullying in order for it to have a chance at winning. If you think this is about run of the mill hazing in the NFL, then you're wrong.

....and now for something completely different.

Where did this TMZ picture come from? And how do we know it to be legit?

I spent 15 minutes and turned the player into Maurkise Pouncey. Imagine what someone skilled in photoshop could do.

 

[Pump N Go]

[Martin] didn't leave because of hazing. He left because of bullying.

I agree that this is a valuable distinction to make. However, Martin's camp is going to have to find some way to prove that Incognito's (and others' ?) actions went over that line.

I'm kind of wondering whether Martin ends up suing Incognito personally instead of the Dolphins ... not sure if that makes any kind of sense, though. So many loose ends to this point.

Would love to be the judge in a case where a guy sues a friend (by all accounts from fins players, they were friends) for making him go to a strip club and breaking his balls via text

 

[Pump N Go]

I guess you will never understand Chuck. Do you know the difference between hazing and bullying.

Show me any proof of Martin being a bully. If he sues, it won't be for hazing. It will be for bullying.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Or maybe I should just go to the standard reply. You must be fishing or trolling, 'cause you can't be serious.

Where did this come from? When did I accuse Martin of being a bully? I said he was a hypocrite. If he sues, it will be for hazing that his attorneys claim to be bullying. At least based upon what we know today.

That's the standard reply? I have never used that reply ever. No idea where you are coming from with this post.

If he sues for hazing, he isn't going to have a case. Someone would have to cross the line from hazing to bullying in order for it to have a chance at winning. If you think this is about run of the mill hazing in the NFL, then you're wrong.

....and now for something completely different.

Where did this TMZ picture come from? And how do we know it to be legit?

I spent 15 minutes and turned the player into Maurkise Pouncey. Imagine what someone skilled in photoshop could do.

Your thoughts on the moon landing and 9 11 being an inside job KC?

 

[KCitons]

I guess you will never understand Chuck. Do you know the difference between hazing and bullying.

Show me any proof of Martin being a bully. If he sues, it won't be for hazing. It will be for bullying.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Or maybe I should just go to the standard reply. You must be fishing or trolling, 'cause you can't be serious.

Where did this come from? When did I accuse Martin of being a bully? I said he was a hypocrite. If he sues, it will be for hazing that his attorneys claim to be bullying. At least based upon what we know today.

That's the standard reply? I have never used that reply ever. No idea where you are coming from with this post.

If he sues for hazing, he isn't going to have a case. Someone would have to cross the line from hazing to bullying in order for it to have a chance at winning. If you think this is about run of the mill hazing in the NFL, then you're wrong.

....and now for something completely different.

Where did this TMZ picture come from? And how do we know it to be legit?

I spent 15 minutes and turned the player into Maurkise Pouncey. Imagine what someone skilled in photoshop could do.

Your thoughts on the moon landing and 9 11 being an inside job KC?

Moon landing wasn't using digital imagery that could be manipulated so easily.

I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. Prevention may lie at the feet of some people, but I don't see things being manipulated.

With that said, why do you think this is being reported by the Pulitzer prize winning media outlet that is TMZ? Unless Martin's camp takes them to court, the source of this photo will remain unknown.

 

[fatness]

Well run dry on things to defend your POV on all this?

You didn't tell us why it's OK with you for Chuck to post about the golf course incident, but you object to me posting about it.

But what does that golf incident in 2012 have anything to do with what happened in the lunch room as Martin left? Do you really think that event was rolling thru his head as he marched out? Do you think Martin suffered from Inc doing this in 2012? What is the fan base missing here that is so obvious to a few of you?

You still didn't tell us why.

 

[KCitons]

Well run dry on things to defend your POV on all this?

You didn't tell us why it's OK with you for Chuck to post about the golf course incident, but you object to me posting about it.

But what does that golf incident in 2012 have anything to do with what happened in the lunch room as Martin left? Do you really think that event was rolling thru his head as he marched out? Do you think Martin suffered from Inc doing this in 2012? What is the fan base missing here that is so obvious to a few of you?

You still didn't tell us why.

MOP said he isn't posting anymore until there is real news.

or tomorrow, whichever comes first.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

MTS -

I could care less if anyone calls you names. Its nothing personal. I think you are a troll. I find some of your posts amusing, and I am not at all in any way bothered by them. I would never ignore you, because you occasionally make me laugh. I don't get the impression that you really believe much of what you post, but rather that you most often post just to stir the pot or get a reaction. Its easy to get a reaction from the Fins fans on this topic, so you are going after the low hanging fruit - as I would if my goal was to get a strong reaction. I respect your approach as a troll.

You could care less? How much less?

Right, so it's fine if someone that you agree with calls people names, but it's not cool if someone you disagree with calls people names. That's how your entire outlook works.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

MTS -

I could care less if anyone calls you names. Its nothing personal. I think you are a troll. I find some of your posts amusing, and I am not at all in any way bothered by them. I would never ignore you, because you occasionally make me laugh. I don't get the impression that you really believe much of what you post, but rather that you most often post just to stir the pot or get a reaction. Its easy to get a reaction from the Fins fans on this topic, so you are going after the low hanging fruit - as I would if my goal was to get a strong reaction. I respect your approach as a troll.

You could care less? How much less?

Right, so it's fine if someone that you agree with calls people names, but it's not cool if someone you disagree with calls people names. That's how your entire outlook works.

Nice try...not gonna bite though. Troll someone who will give you the responses you are looking for. That is what makes you a talented troll. This was hackish work on your part.