Dolphins going after Carson Palmer. (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Carson Palmer is in the Dolphins' sights

Posted on: March 21, 2011 12:48 pm

Edited on: March 21, 2011 2:22 pm

Posted by Andy Benoit

All indications suggest that the Bengals are coming to grips with the fact that Carson Palmer will not be back with the team in 2011. The veteran quarterback is said to be as stubborn as owner Mike Brown. If both remain stubborn, Palmer will retire.

But what if Brown gets wise and deals the former No. 1 overall pick? Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald believes it could be the Dolphins.

Salguero asserts that Palmer is not only superior to Chad Henne (and it’s easy to compare the two considering they’re both tall, strong-armed pocket passers) and better than the rest of the 2011 veteran quarterback market, which includes Vince Young, Kevin Kolb, Kyle Orton, Matt Hasselbeck and Donovan McNabb.

Salguero writes, “None of this is my opinion. It’s the opinion of folks within the Miami organization who have done the work. This comes from folks who have watched the films or crunched the numbers or done the evaluations or talked to the men who did.”

It’s doubtful Salguero heard these sentiments from Jeff Ireland or Tony Sparano. Neither is very transparent with the press. Dolphins scouts are forbidden from talking to the media, but a dirty little secret is that many of them do anyway.

The decision will be made by Ireland (or owner Stephen Ross). Ireland might be more willing to draft a young quarterback and develop him. Sparano, given his tenuous job status, would presumably love to have a proven veteran he can plug in right away.

 

[Jail]

Wow, this is surprising. I would view this as a fairly desperate attempt from Ireland and Sparano to save their job. Just a band-aid on a deep wound. Unfortunately, Salguero usually has a pretty good pulse of things, so I can't dismiss it.

For those interested in the original link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/21/2126417/miami-dolphins-hope-bengals-qb.html

 

[loose circuits]

probably going to take a hefty offer to get Mike Brown to back down from his stance

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I only read this as saying that Palmer grades out better than Henne, which is probably what every team thinks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

probably going to take a hefty offer to get Mike Brown to back down from his stance

Nah. Brown is just huffing and puffing so that he can salvage some trade value.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

How many games has Henne played? seems early to pull the plug on him, no? And believe me rubber elbow Palmer is not the answer

 

[Bri]

January post by Paul Kuharsky. A bit more on Carson Palmer, who I pushed as the Titans' best veteran option at quarterback earlier in the week. I presumed he’d improve if he got away from Pittsburgh and Baltimore, regularly two of the toughest defenses in the NFL who account for a quarter of Palmer’s schedule while playing with the Bengals. Carson Palmer Carson Palmer #9 QB Cincinnati Bengals 2010 STATS * Att586 * Comp362 * Yds3970 * TD26 * Int20 * Rat82.4 Colin Cowherd hit on a similar theme during The Herd yesterday, suggesting how much better Palmer would fare if he could get to the weak NFC West. But Mark Simon of ESPN Stats & Information was kind enough to run the numbers for me. Take out Palmer’s games against the Steelers and Ravens and his numbers are not much different at all. His career passer rating, which factors in completion percentage, touchdowns and interceptions, is 86.9. Without Pittsburgh and Baltimore and it slides up to 89.1. That’s a significant dent to that theory. One other element here: I’m hardly married to AccuScore, but we do look weekly at the preview numbers it provides on probabilities of our games. AccuScore reran the 2010 season with Palmer as the quarterback of five quarterback-needy teams versus the primary quarterback who played for those teams. * San Francisco had 6.5 wins and a 28.1 percent playoff chance with Alex Smith, numbers that move to 8.8 and 66.6 percent with Palmer. * Arizona had 5.6 wins and an 11.0 percent chance of a playoff berth with John Skelton, numbers that shot to 8.8 and 62.2 with Palmer. * Tennessee had 7.3 wins and a 26.5 percent playoff chance with Kerry Collins, numbers that went to 9.0 and 58.4 with Palmer. * Seattle had 5.9 wins and a 14.9 percent playoff chance with Matt Hasselbeck, numbers that moved to 7.3 and 34.5 with Palmer. * Minnesota had 7.9 wins and a 25.4 percent playoff chance with Joe Webb, numbers that moved to 8.5 and 34.3 percent with Palmer. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/20782/more-on-palmer-as-a-potential-titan

 

[Bri]

Peter King MMQB: Carson Palmer is serious about not going back to Cincinnati. I've heard Marvin Lewis is acknowledging to people he knows in football that Palmer won't be back in Cincinnati, and the Bengals are looking into all of the top quarterback prospects. "Marvin knows how stubborn Carson is, and he thinks no matter what happens, the guy won't change his mind,'' said one club executive. I believe that. But that doesn't mean the Bengals will deal him either. Palmer's not Carl Pickens or Corey Dillon, a disaffected star who was divisive in the locker room. He's been a classy franchise quarterback since stepping on campus in 2003. He's the team's billboard, though he's had a couple of shaky years in a row. The Bengals don't have a history of responding well to threats. What makes this interesting, though, is that Cincinnati would be able to get something decent for Palmer in trade. He's 31. He's healthy. He'd love to play in California (you listening, Jim Harbaugh?) and I'm sure would settle for Arizona. If both San Francisco and Arizona pass on a rookie high in the draft April 28, or pass on trading for Kevin Kolb of the Eagles, they'd be my leaders in the clubhouse -- joined by Minnesota -- in the race for Palmer. All of that could all be moot, of course, because of Bengals owner Mike Brown. He doesn't care much for, nor is affected by, a player holding him hostage, never mind a player Brown has grown to like a lot as a man. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/03/20/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1HKjxulfu

 

[matttyl]

Assuming this does happen, is Marshall back to his 100+ reception, 1,200 yard seasons he had while in Denver? He had over 86 for 1,000 yards in 13.5 games with Henne. Even that works out to 102 for 1,202 over a full 16 games. This could be huge for Marshall!

 

[Bri]

How many games has Henne played? seems early to pull the plug on him, no? And believe me rubber elbow Palmer is not the answer

roughly 2800 yards in year 2 and 3300 in year 3. 27 games as starter, 32 altogether.Seems to me there is development.

I posted a couple links previously. I'm a fan of Carson and have been following this the last few months.

The Fins and Vikings seem to have been a little interested in Carson-judging by the beat writers # of articles on the subject while TEN and SF have had tons of articles written. Arizona somewhere in the middle.

There's a sudden spike in the # of Dolphins articles lately. Something must be up.

I'm figuring they've decided that they're going after him as this thread's article suggests.

I don't see why they should move away from Henne unless they had another team interested in Henne's services.

It seems like the Fins stink at drafting QBs and should just quit doing so. I ran a query at PFR and depending on your view of Mitchell, either Marino or Mitchell is the last good QB pick they had.

Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2009 2 44 Pat White QB MIA 2009 2009 0 0 0 1 13 0 5 0 0 0 21 81 0 West Virginia 2 2008 2 57 Chad Henne QB MIA 2008 2010 0 0 2 15 32 582 953 6246 27 33 51 84 1 Michigan 3 2007 2 40 John Beck QB MIA 2007 2007 0 0 0 2 5 60 107 559 1 3 9 12 1 BYU 4 2001 6 177 Josh Heupel QB MIA

0 0 0

Oklahoma 5 1998 6 172 John Dutton QB MIA

0 0 0

Nevada-Reno 6 1992 11 296 Mark Barsotti QB MIA

0 0 0

Fresno State 7 1990 4 93 Scott Mitchell QB MIA 1991 2001 0 0 5 50 99 1301 2346 15692 95 81 172 485 11 Utah 8 1988 7 180 Kerwin Bell QB MIA 1996 1996 0 0 0 0 2 5 5 75 1 0 1 -1 0 Florida 9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB MIA

0 0 0

Ohio State 10 1986 10 274 Jeff Wickersham QB MIA

0 0 0

LSU 11 1984 5 138 Dean May QB MIA 1984 1987 0 0 0 0 5 1 6 33 0 1 2 -4 0 Louisville 12 1983 1 27 Dan Marino HOF QB MIA 1983 1999 3 9 16 146 242 4967 8358 61361 420 252 301 87 9 Pittsburgh

I remember fans here liking Beck, White (Wildcat), and Henne.

It's a waste of time if they won't commit to one of these guys.

Their interest in Carson bugs me as it lacks commitment to Henne.

Carson will have to learn a new team's offense. It seems the lockout will limit the amount of time teams have to get ready for the season. This doesn't help new players. Brown is likely to find that his potential trade partners decide to go another route rather than go through the back N forth with him asking so much. There's a ton of writers saying he's that way and I can't think of a Bengals trade. Can you? There's gotta be something to that.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Fins quit trying to get Carson and just drafted yet another QB. Poor Henne.

 

[Bri]

sorry that looked nice in the preview. Not sure what I did wrong with the format

 

[daveR]

sorry that looked nice in the preview. Not sure what I did wrong with the format

I hear you.I wish there was a tutorial or pinned post or something on formatting, etc..

 

[Bri]

Well here's a link http://www.pro-footb...ce=any&show=all And here's some of the results 2009 Pat White 2008 Chad Henne 2007 John Beck 2001 Josh Heupel 1998 John Dutton 1992 Mark Barsotti 1990 Scott Mitchell 1988 Kerwin Bell 1987 Jim Karsatos 1986 Jeff Wickersham 1984 Dean May 1983 Dan Marino Free agent QBs that come to mind- Jay Fiedler Chad Pennington Sage Rosenfels Brian Griese for a short time Ya know...as I'm typing this I'm thinking a few things-it's more impressive that Marino did so well, Fins are a QB wasteland, and maybe they should go after Carson. Print this list in every paper and fans might be OK with them giving up an absolute ton to get Carson. Their choices in QBs is disturbingly bad. My faves are the backups they got from the Jets and that can't sit well with Fins fans either. The Cowboys spent some time with rookie QBs which raised an eyebrow for me. Romo's young and established well enough, can't they use their Cowboys connections and work something out? See if the Boys are truly interested in a rookie QB for Jason Garrett? Lockout and tampering rules make things tricky. I feel like the Fins should go out and get someone else we haven't mentioned in this thread. Some guy that we don't know is available. Give up a ton and get that QB position settled. They clearly don't move forward and have to.

those were in line too.

Ugh I gotta get more comfy with this new board

 

[JFurby]

Of all the retreads and experiments the Dolphins have tried since Marino, Palmer could be the most reasonable. Henne was impaired by very predictable play calling from a terrible offensive coordinator. Letting Henne compete with Palmer for a starting role under their new offensive coordinator would be a positive scenario for the fins.

 

[Casting Couch]

The real answer is Matt Flynn. He is a QB the Dolphins can build into the future with.

Matt Flynn

 

[gandalas]

The real answer is Matt Flynn. He is a QB the Dolphins can build into the future with.Matt Flynn

Did I miss something? I thought that teams were prohibited from trading players right now anyway, so how are they planning to get the Bengals to release Palmer or the Packers to release Flynn?

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Maybe they can package him with Esteban. He's always wanted to play for the Dolphins. Kill 2 birds with one stone and the rebuilding process has begun...

 

[gandalas]

Maybe they can package him with Esteban. He's always wanted to play for the Dolphins. Kill 2 birds with one stone and the rebuilding process has begun...

No, Seriously. Are people just posting these trading threads with the thoughts that the CBA will be signed soon, or that the courts will allow trading, or are they simply looking FAR down the road?Not even on these boards. What are sportswriters like this Andy Benoit guy who wrote the original article thinking in these regards?I just wonder, because I see thread after thread on here about trading for "X" player, and I seriously thought that it was not currently possible to do so?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Maybe they can package him with Esteban. He's always wanted to play for the Dolphins. Kill 2 birds with one stone and the rebuilding process has begun...

No, Seriously. Are people just posting these trading threads with the thoughts that the CBA will be signed soon, or that the courts will allow trading, or are they simply looking FAR down the road?Not even on these boards. What are sportswriters like this Andy Benoit guy who wrote the original article thinking in these regards?I just wonder, because I see thread after thread on here about trading for "X" player, and I seriously thought that it was not currently possible to do so?

I posted thread because it includes a major outlet, with the writer specifically saying its coming from within the organization. Also if we are going to talk NFL football, we have to assume that the lockout will eventually end.

 

[Bri]

The real answer is Matt Flynn. He is a QB the Dolphins can build into the future with.Matt Flynn

Did I miss something? I thought that teams were prohibited from trading players right now anyway, so how are they planning to get the Bengals to release Palmer or the Packers to release Flynn?

right now yes.Later no.The longer the lockout lasts the less time teams will have to prepare a rookie, so a veteran's value increases a bit.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

How many games has Henne played? seems early to pull the plug on him, no? And believe me rubber elbow Palmer is not the answer

No. My former roommate was a MIA fan. I watched a lot of this guys games. From what I've seen, he's terrible. Awful.

 

[Slapdash]

Miami already has its full complement of inadequate QBs...I don't see what adding another one to the mix helps.

 

[Scooby1974]

Maybe they can package him with Esteban. He's always wanted to play for the Dolphins. Kill 2 birds with one stone and the rebuilding process has begun...

No, Seriously. Are people just posting these trading threads with the thoughts that the CBA will be signed soon, or that the courts will allow trading, or are they simply looking FAR down the road?Not even on these boards. What are sportswriters like this Andy Benoit guy who wrote the original article thinking in these regards?I just wonder, because I see thread after thread on here about trading for "X" player, and I seriously thought that it was not currently possible to do so?

Football Writers get paid to write, about football.If they don't come up with something to write, advertisers don't advertise and writers get fired.Therefore Football writers write

 

[Kleck]

I don't think many were expecting Pennington to do much next year anyway, but...