DONE DEAL: Randy Moss to Vikings trade (1 Viewer)

[Jedeye]

Harvin owners should thank their lucky stars, I think he's about to go nuts with this move.

I hope you're right. I think you're right.

 

[packersfan]

Outstanding trade for the Vikings. They paid a modest price to get a stud player who addresses their most glaring need. My hat's off to them. They went out and aggressively addressed a huge need and have potentially put themselves in the driver's seat in the NFC. They now are one of the few top NFC teams who can run the ball, throw it and stop the run effectively. From a fantasy perspective, it's a ginormous boost for Favre obviously and I think it's huge for Moss too. He now becomes the unquestioned No. 1 WR on his team, will receive a ton of targets and get plenty of looks downfield from Favre. Plus Moss owners get him for an extra game to boot.Wow. I'm still stunned this happened.

Sad thing for your team is that Ted Thompson is not willing to do this. Suddenly, the Packers are no longer the favorite in the Norris. Lynch would have looked REALLY good in green.Rock on KUUUUUUUUUUUUHN!

Lynch is not Moss.

They tried like hell to get Jackson. Not their fault A.J. Smith had his own agenda.Thompson's passive GM approach may have cost his team a chance to get to the Super Bowl. We'll see how it all plays out but I'm much more impressed by what the Vikings did this week than what Thompson did.

 

[packersfan]

Harvin owners should thank their lucky stars, I think he's about to go nuts with this move.

I hope you're right. I think you're right.

So do I. Harvin could be the guy who benefits the most that few people are talking about. He's not a No. 1 WR right now. This will enable him to avoid heavy coverage and work against more single coverage. He'll also be able to work underneath with Moss clearing things out with his deep routes. I think Harvin could become a huge X factor as a result of this deal.

 

[sho nuff]

Outstanding trade for the Vikings. They paid a modest price to get a stud player who addresses their most glaring need. My hat's off to them. They went out and aggressively addressed a huge need and have potentially put themselves in the driver's seat in the NFC. They now are one of the few top NFC teams who can run the ball, throw it and stop the run effectively. From a fantasy perspective, it's a ginormous boost for Favre obviously and I think it's huge for Moss too. He now becomes the unquestioned No. 1 WR on his team, will receive a ton of targets and get plenty of looks downfield from Favre. Plus Moss owners get him for an extra game to boot.Wow. I'm still stunned this happened.

Sad thing for your team is that Ted Thompson is not willing to do this. Suddenly, the Packers are no longer the favorite in the Norris. Lynch would have looked REALLY good in green.Rock on KUUUUUUUUUUUUHN!

Lynch is not Moss.

They tried like hell to get Jackson. Not their fault A.J. Smith had his own agenda.Thompson's passive GM approach may have cost his team a chance to get to the Super Bowl. We'll see how it all plays out but I'm much more impressed by what the Vikings did this week than what Thompson did.

And Green Bay did try for a while to get Lynch...but no, Ted will not be that aggressive in it.And I have said it was a msitake to not offer the 3rd and will continue to say that.But, I won't go as far as saying cost a chance at the Bowl because of Marshawn Lynch. Good player and all, but I don't think he is the key missing piece right now.

 

[Todem]

Only way this makes sense for the Pats is if they feel Randy mailed it in this week and will continue to do so.

Was at the game Monday night. He did not mail it in.

 

[T with T]

hope randy wears 84 with MINN he is awesome pats suck.... they are dumbr they pay no one except golden boy... will regret letting moss go and not stay involved.... belichick is a good coach but tarnished resume with spygate and fact he is so dang stubborn... he taught little cry baby haley and his fiasco in KC. I know the haters will say they are winning but hear me out.... ALL I KNOW IS LOVE RANDY HOPE HE TEARS IT UP WITH FAVRE

 

[lebowski66]

So, no bye week for Moss. Does he play this week?

 

[sho nuff]

hope randy wears 84 with MINN he is awesome pats suck.... they are dumbr they pay no one except golden boy... will regret letting moss go and not stay involved.... belichick is a good coach but tarnished resume with spygate and fact he is so dang stubborn... he taught little cry baby haley and his fiasco in KC. I know the haters will say they are winning but hear me out.... ALL I KNOW IS LOVE RANDY HOPE HE TEARS IT UP WITH FAVRE

 

[Clifford]

15 pages? Man this place has blown up.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

This. NE is always very active on draft day and will spin these picks early and often. Assuming there is a 11 season, I can see Goodell announcing "there has been a trade" several times regarding NE. The rebuilding continues.

 

[MIMN]

So, no bye week for Moss. Does he play this week?

You don't buy a new sports car and not take out for a spin. Especially if your current car is not running quite right.

 

[texasheat]

Bump Finley a bit

 

[texasheat]

So, no bye week for Moss. Does he play this week?

This keeps getting asked and I have no idea why. Just plain dumb.

 

[gianmarco]

So, no bye week for Moss. Does he play this week?

This keeps getting asked and I have no idea why. Just plain dumb.

I know. Obviously Moss had his bye last week.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Outstanding trade for the Vikings. They paid a modest price to get a stud player who addresses their most glaring need. My hat's off to them. They went out and aggressively addressed a huge need and have potentially put themselves in the driver's seat in the NFC. They now are one of the few top NFC teams who can run the ball, throw it and stop the run effectively. From a fantasy perspective, it's a ginormous boost for Favre obviously and I think it's huge for Moss too. He now becomes the unquestioned No. 1 WR on his team, will receive a ton of targets and get plenty of looks downfield from Favre. Plus Moss owners get him for an extra game to boot.Wow. I'm still stunned this happened.

Sad thing for your team is that Ted Thompson is not willing to do this. Suddenly, the Packers are no longer the favorite in the Norris. Lynch would have looked REALLY good in green.Rock on KUUUUUUUUUUUUHN!

They are still the heavy favorite at the sportsbooks, where people have to actually put their money where their mouths are:

NFC North Division - Odds to Win Green Bay Packers -225 Chicago Bears +260 Minnesota Vikings +400 Detroit Lions +20000

Odds to win 2011 NFC Championship Green Bay Packers +300 New Orleans Saints +450 Dallas Cowboys +500 Atlanta Falcons +500 Minnesota Vikings +600 Chicago Bears +700

 

[moondog]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

This. NE is always very active on draft day and will spin these picks early and often. Assuming there is a 11 season, I can see Goodell announcing "there has been a trade" several times regarding NE. The rebuilding continues.

If there is a 2011 season it will probably also include a salary cap and maybe a new rookie pay scale.

 

[identikit]

Interesting, Tedy Bruschi's saying (on ESPN) that Moss was becoming a problem player in the locker room like he was in Minny and Oakland, and that if the Pats hadn't made this deal they would have cut ties with Moss anyways.

Not sure if I buy that last part; maybe Brsuchi's trying to show how much of an 'insider' he is.

 

[LittlePhatty]

hope randy wears 84 with MINN he is awesome pats suck.... they are dumbr they pay no one except golden boy... will regret letting moss go and not stay involved.... belichick is a good coach but tarnished resume with spygate and fact he is so dang stubborn... he taught little cry baby haley and his fiasco in KC. I know the haters will say they are winning but hear me out.... ALL I KNOW IS LOVE RANDY HOPE HE TEARS IT UP WITH FAVRE

I enjoyed your use of periods. Very Picasso-esque.This trade gives me hope as a Harvin owner. The guy just needs a little bit of space to be a play maker and Moss will open that up for him.

 

[plyka]

Moss has 9 catches for 139 yards and 3 TDs through 4 games. That's lime 1 game of production from vintage Moss. There's one of two possibilities here:1) His chirping about being in his last year of his contract is an indication that he's been dogging it in NE like he did to the Vikings and Raiders when he was unhappy or2). Age has caught up to him and he's just done as an elite receiverIMO, I think #2 is more likely the culprit and may be why Moss was so concerned about getting one more contract right now. He knows his career is essentially over and that after teams see his performance this year, he'll have no shot at one more decent contract.Great move by the Patriots if so. This isn't 2002 Randy Moss they're trading away. It's more like Denver or Seattle Jerry Rice.

Really? Wow, I put a huge amount of weight in your always reasoned analysis. Great logic use and using facts to support the argument just makes it more solid.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

This. NE is always very active on draft day and will spin these picks early and often. Assuming there is a 11 season, I can see Goodell announcing "there has been a trade" several times regarding NE. The rebuilding continues.

...and continues, and continues, and continues...

 

[David Yudkin]

Interesting, Tedy Bruschi's saying (on ESPN) that Moss was becoming a problem player in the locker room like he was in Minny and Oakland, and that if the Pats hadn't made this deal they would have cut ties with Moss anyways.Not sure if I buy that last part; maybe Brsuchi's trying to show how much of an 'insider' he is.

Stuff like this always comes out after the fact, and I don't put a lot of stock in it.

 

[Bossman]

I'm confused....

wouldn't the Pats have gotten a 3rd rd Compensatory pick anyway when Moss was lost in free agency next off-season?

The only thing gained would be them getting the pick in 2011 instead of 2012 but that's not enuff of a difference to give up your WR1 imo.

Would have made a ton more sense for the Pats to trade for a player... Toby Gerhart or Chad Greenway would have been nice.

There had to be words between Moss and BB, after the 0 catch / 1 target game Monday night, that pushed BB to make the deal.

I can't think of any other reason. Just makes no sense.

Per Adamjt13, the Moss comp pick would be a 5th rounder in 2012. Assuming those rules stay the same in the next collective bargaining agreement. That's like getting a 6th in the 2011 draft in terms of value. Not a lot.

I think there is a problem with Adamjt13's formula.From Wikpedia:

(NFL) Compensatory picks

In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

If salary, playing time are the detirmining factors, how would Moss not fetch a 3rd rd value compensatory pick?

 

[ponchsox]

Interesting, Tedy Bruschi's saying (on ESPN) that Moss was becoming a problem player in the locker room like he was in Minny and Oakland, and that if the Pats hadn't made this deal they would have cut ties with Moss anyways.Not sure if I buy that last part; maybe Brsuchi's trying to show how much of an 'insider' he is.

Teddy has very good sources within the team. Probably accurate.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm confused....

wouldn't the Pats have gotten a 3rd rd Compensatory pick anyway when Moss was lost in free agency next off-season?

The only thing gained would be them getting the pick in 2011 instead of 2012 but that's not enuff of a difference to give up your WR1 imo.

Would have made a ton more sense for the Pats to trade for a player... Toby Gerhart or Chad Greenway would have been nice.

There had to be words between Moss and BB, after the 0 catch / 1 target game Monday night, that pushed BB to make the deal.

I can't think of any other reason. Just makes no sense.

Per Adamjt13, the Moss comp pick would be a 5th rounder in 2012. Assuming those rules stay the same in the next collective bargaining agreement. That's like getting a 6th in the 2011 draft in terms of value. Not a lot.

I think there is a problem with Adamjt13's formula.From Wikpedia:

(NFL) Compensatory picks

In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

If salary, playing time are the detirmining factors, how would Moss not fetch a 3rd rd value compensatory pick?

He is right. 10 year vets max out at a 5th round pick max.

 

[griff321]

To me this was like waking up on Christmas morning. I can't believe we got one of my favorite players back that we should have NEVER let go and for a third!!!!!

You've gotta realize that before Randy we had all sort of blackouts and after we haven't had one since. Now I know that this Randy isn't the same one that played for us before, but this team just made another HUGE step towards owning the NFC North for years to come. God I love this team.

 

[plyka]

This move is curious in that the Pats may be stockpiling picks and a good team down the road, but Brady may be at the end of the line by the time they are back to being a force (if they get to that point).

Right. This is the problem. BB struck gold with Brady and unless he's mainlining HGH every night (well, we just don't know whether he is or not) then he will begin his senescence sooner than later. The guy is 33 right now, for christsakes. So BB would rather spend that time getting more draft picks? Or using Brady to his fullest? What would you do?

Listen to what you're saying...Brady is 33.How old is Favre?QBs are playing until they're 40...and they are performing at a high level. The Pats "window" with Brady is a lot larger than people think.This year is the transition year for the NE D. Tons of young talent trying to learn the system. It will happen. Maybe we don't see this gel until the end of the year, but this D will continue to improve. Now add all the picks coming.And watch for the next NE "buy low" opportunity. It's rinse and repeat with these guys.THe present and future look pretty damn good to me.KYP.S. And oh how the loss of L. Mankins hurts sooooo much. NE has done this to numerous players at this point...and I dare anyone to come up with two names that show that it's bitten them in the butt.

EXACTLY. And Brady has said recently (read: while married to Gizelle) that he intends to play until he's 40.

Have you guys ever seen Favre in his prime? Favre in his prime is better than Brady on talent/performance level and it is not even close. Favre is basically a Steve Young. Incredible player, but could run for 40 yards at any time. Now look at Favre out there! Believe me, when Brady turns 40, he will not be in this league. That's a garauntee. Or else he will be a bacfkup.

 

[sho nuff]

To me this was like waking up on Christmas morning. I can't believe we got one of my favorite players back that we should have NEVER let go and for a third!!!!! You've gotta realize that before Randy we had all sort of blackouts and after we haven't had one since. Now I know that this Randy isn't the same one that played for us before, but this team just made another HUGE step towards owning the NFC North for years to come. God I love this team.

I believe there were a few games very close to being blacked out in the past few years (not last year) weren't there?Several they got extensions from the NFL.

 

[Clifford]

Outstanding trade for the Vikings. They paid a modest price to get a stud player who addresses their most glaring need. My hat's off to them. They went out and aggressively addressed a huge need and have potentially put themselves in the driver's seat in the NFC. They now are one of the few top NFC teams who can run the ball, throw it and stop the run effectively. From a fantasy perspective, it's a ginormous boost for Favre obviously and I think it's huge for Moss too. He now becomes the unquestioned No. 1 WR on his team, will receive a ton of targets and get plenty of looks downfield from Favre. Plus Moss owners get him for an extra game to boot.Wow. I'm still stunned this happened.

Sad thing for your team is that Ted Thompson is not willing to do this. Suddenly, the Packers are no longer the favorite in the Norris. Lynch would have looked REALLY good in green.Rock on KUUUUUUUUUUUUHN!

They are still the heavy favorite at the sportsbooks, where people have to actually put their money where their mouths are:

NFC North Division - Odds to Win Green Bay Packers -225 Chicago Bears +260 Minnesota Vikings +400 Detroit Lions +20000

Odds to win 2011 NFC Championship Green Bay Packers +300 New Orleans Saints +450 Dallas Cowboys +500 Atlanta Falcons +500 Minnesota Vikings +600 Chicago Bears +700

Targets go from 1 last MNF to 20 this MNF. I couldn't be happier he is out of there.

 

[sho nuff]

Have you guys ever seen Favre in his prime? Favre in his prime is better than Brady on talent/performance level and it is not even close. Favre is basically a Steve Young. Incredible player, but could run for 40 yards at any time. Now look at Favre out there! Believe me, when Brady turns 40, he will not be in this league. That's a garauntee. Or else he will be a bacfkup.

I saw Brady in his prime help take a team to 3 rings.Favre was better on many things for sure...who could run for 40 yards? Young? Yes. Favre? No.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

 

[HellToupee]

Bruschi saying Moss was a major PIA in the locker room & was talk of cutting Moss if it continued

 

[Clifford]

Are all Moss owners holding or selling on this news. The hype might exceed production here. I might see if I can move Moss+ for Gore before we see what actually happens.

 

[sho nuff]

Are all Moss owners holding or selling on this news. The hype might exceed production here. I might see if I can move Moss+ for Gore before we see what actually happens.

Holding...I don't think you will get enough for him to make it worth moving.

 

[scott72]

The Vikes still have OL issues. If you get people it Brett's face he won't be able to go deep anyhow. This certainly doesn't make them unbeatable. If anything it puts even more pressure on this team to win it all this year, despite already being behind in the division.

 

[scott72]

Bruschi saying Moss was a major PIA in the locker room & was talk of cutting Moss if it continued

He's a perfect fit with Favre then. I don't know how they're going to fit those two egos through the locker room door.

 

[The Great Snook]

As a Pats fan, I'm not sure this was a good idea.

 

[eurotrashman]

So, no bye week for Moss. Does he play this week?

Last week was his bye week. 0 points.

 

[timschochet]

So let's see. The Pats trade a 5th round pick to Oakland and get three years of one of the most elite wide receivers in football at a low salary. Then they trade this WR, who is nearing the end of his career, for a 3rd round pick.

There is a reason this is the best run organization in football, as much as I dislike them. They simply outthink everybody else.

 

[identikit]

So let's see. The Pats trade a 5th round pick to Oakland and get three years of one of the most elite wide receivers in football at a low salary. Then they trade this WR, who is nearing the end of his career, for a 3rd round pick.

There is a reason this is the best run organization in football, as much as I dislike them. They simply outthink everybody else.

I think it was a 4th round pick.

But yeah they're very savvy.

 

[Wooderson]

So, no bye week for Moss. Does he play this week?

This keeps getting asked and I have no idea why. Just plain dumb.

It's about as dumb as bump Finley. Right?

 

[scott72]

So let's see. The Pats trade a 5th round pick to Oakland and get three years of one of the most elite wide receivers in football at a low salary. Then they trade this WR, who is nearing the end of his career, for a 3rd round pick.There is a reason this is the best run organization in football, as much as I dislike them. They simply outthink everybody else.

They were lucky Al Davis is an idiot. A 5th? Moss pushed them into this latest trade though. They wouldn't have made the deal if he wasn't disgruntled. They again were lucky Minny is in desperate mode and willing to give a 3rd. Further more, what makes you think he's near the end of his career? He's still a major threat.

 

[datonn]

Maybe the Vikings know that the chances of an actual 2011 season are about 5-10%, so they are pushing all their chips into the middle of the table?

As a fan, I have to say I am both excited and disappointed at this move for the team. Moss is a problem child...always has been, always will be. He'll start off with a bang, then he'll start taking plays off or pouting (eventually in the media), then will eventually be moved out of the locker room like doctors cutting a cancer out of a patient. If the Vikings get a 5th compensatory pick for not re-signing him in the off-season though (after giving up a 3rd), that seems like a great rental with Favre in his last year.

It's going to be a L-O-N-G, C-O-L-D Winter for about 3-4 years though if the Vikings don't make the playoffs and win at least a game or two in January! They should have gotten to the Super Bowl last year, and if they don't get there this year (which I think their chances are slim), then we will likely be the third or fourth horse in the race for the NFC North for the next few years, at least. No long-term solution at QB. An aging O-Line, aging stars on defense, contracts coming up for guys like Greenway and Rice, etc.

Maybe if they get a McNabb or Vick/Kolb on the off-season they can put together one last run in 2011...but I doubt it. I think it'll be back to Childress going ADP for two yards and a cloud of dust, ADP for 3 yards and a cloud of dust, then TJax throwing incomplete or completing a 3-4 yard pass on third and five. To which we'll have to hope that the Twins, Wolves (ugh) and Wild (ugh) will make pro sports bearable to watch in MSP.

 

[Grahamburn]

The Vikes still have OL issues. If you get people it Brett's face he won't be able to go deep anyhow. This certainly doesn't make them unbeatable. If anything it puts even more pressure on this team to win it all this year, despite already being behind in the division.

Unbeatable? Of course not, but he Vikings are going to be extremely hard to defend. Peterson in the backfield, Moss on the outside, Shiancoe and Harvin in the middle of the field. Pick your poison.It seems to me that Moss should be able to put up Sidney Rice 2009 numbers +. Brett Favre, as we all know, isn't afraid to throw the ball into traffic. Moss just entered the elite WR tier again with this trade.

 

[Clifford]

As a Pats fan, I'm not sure this was a good idea.

It really was. Moss has not been that big a part of the gameplan and they are winning without him. Hernandez is a perfect candidate to replace him in the red zone. Welker will draw the Moss double teams or he will kill his opponents. They get value for him when he would have walked at the end of the season and they would have gotten nothing. Good move in a series of really good moves.

 

[Chreesto]

I agree with a couple of other posters who have brought up the O-line. The really sexy routes that Randy Moss is the best in the NFL at running take TIME. The Viking O-line has been pretty terrible at providing that. Brett Favre doesn't have the arm to flip a 50 yard bullet while backpedalling anymore. If they don't figure out some way to protect Favre this seems like it won't have as much of an impact as people are thinking.

On the other side of the coin, if the Vikings can somehow hold on and get their O-line to block and make the playoffs, the idea of a healthy Rice paired with Moss is downright scary.

In general I'm thrilled with the trade for what it brings to my NFL enjoyment this year.

Can't wait to watch.

 

[texasheat]

So, no bye week for Moss. Does he play this week?

This keeps getting asked and I have no idea why. Just plain dumb.

It's about as dumb as bump Finley. Right?

one is shtick and one is a serious question. Big difference imo

 

[humpback]

To me this was like waking up on Christmas morning. I can't believe we got one of my favorite players back that we should have NEVER let go and for a third!!!!! You've gotta realize that before Randy we had all sort of blackouts and after we haven't had one since. Now I know that this Randy isn't the same one that played for us before, but this team just made another HUGE step towards owning the NFC North for years to come. God I love this team.

How is this a HUGE step towards owning the NFC North for years to come? Unless/until he signs a contract extension, it does nothing towards their future (actually hurts it).

 

[David Yudkin]

In his last 12 games with NE, Moss put up only 34-560-9.

 

[jurrassic]

It's going to be interesting to see how Favre handles this. He may get tunnel vision with Moss and throw the ball up to him every time. It will be successful but he will also offer up alot of opportunity for ints. I think it's a good move for the Vikings, who have to go all in, but it's no longer 2003. They do have a 41 year old qb and a 33 year old headcase wr, who for all his talents has now been on 4 different teams (Vikings twice). The guy is obviously an issue, you don't let talent like that leave normally. Can't wait to see how Moss is next year if Jackson is the qb.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Bruschi likes the deal. "time for him to go", locker room grumblings, distraction, young impressionable team doesn't need the poor example. Interesting! Pats transitioning back to the ball-control, spread it around style. 34/560/9: surprising numbers, liking this deal more and more!

Woodhead+ Edelman+ Welker= nightmare scenario for opposing D's. Gronk/Hernandez= great combo. Tate/Price?= speed burners...