DONE DEAL: Randy Moss to Vikings trade (2 Viewers)

[pizzatyme]

And in a twist of irony, Moss will face Revis this week.

Oh lord! that sucks!

and then Moss gets injured and is out for the year... sorry.. my opp has Moss... I am right behind him

Wishing injury on ANY player is uncool.

 

[Choke]

The Herschel Walker in-season trade was probably a bigger deal and radically changed the landscape of the NFL for several years afterwards.

Sure it was bigger. 21 years ago involving tons of players and picks.

 

[Dr. No]

Sell high on Welker in any format. He's sure (for the time being) to draw all the coverage now.

You really think Welker is going to start getting shut out like Randy has been?How does this affect Welker per you?

 

[gianmarco]

How good would Vick look on the Vikings next season?

START THE THREAD!!!!

 

[comfortably numb]

Regardless how this shakes out.

I just love the balls the Patriots have.

Never, ever afraid to lose a player, and always ready to move someone a year too soon, rather than a year too late.

Sucks as a Jets fan to know this team will always be a 10-14 win team, year in and year out for the next decade.

 

[Cassius]

Sell high on Welker in any format. He's sure (for the time being) to draw all the coverage now.

You really think Welker is going to start getting shut out like Randy has been?How does this affect Welker per you?

Most DB's couldn't cover Welker in a phone booth. Double coverage hurts a guy like Moss and his deep routes more than it does a guy like Welker. He'll be fine.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

This was literally probably the only move that could get me excited for the rest of the Vikings season. It was a travesty that Moss was traded in basically a salary dump by an owner selling the team in the first place. Welcome home Randy!1!111@#@ The wrong has been righted. 3rd rounder seems like a good deal for the Vikes.

 

[MDSkinner]

The Vikings had to make this move. With Favre showing obvious signs of decline - compounded by Sidney Rice being out - they needed to do something. The price they're paying for Moss is far more palatable than what the Chargers wanted for Vincent Jackson. And IMO even though Moss isn't the same as youthful Randy, VJax still can't hold his jock.As a Packer fan, I'm not thrilled with this move. Particularly when paired with TT failing to get M Lynch.

As a Bears fan, I am also not thrilled with this move. Tremendous job by the Vikings. It is amazing to me that they essentially offered the same sort of deal to the Chargers for Jackson, and did not get him but end up with Moss out of the deal. That is truly astounding to me.I don't see how this does not help everyone on the Vikings offense.

 

[Eastwood]

by the way, this could be big for Sidney Rice too. No more double coverage for him. If he comes back healthy this year, that's 3 freaks on the offensive side of the ball (Moss, Sidney, AP) WOW

 

[ponchsox]

This was literally probably the only move that could get me excited for the rest of the Vikings season. It was a travesty that Moss was traded in basically a salary dump by an owner selling the team in the first place. Welcome home Randy!1!111@#@ The wrong has been righted. 3rd rounder seems like a good deal for the Vikes.

Considering they only gave up a 4th rounder to get him and got 50 TDs out of him, it's a decent deal for the Patriots.

 

[packersfan]

by the way, this could be big for Sidney Rice too. No more double coverage for him. If he comes back healthy this year, that's 3 freaks on the offensive side of the ball (Moss, Sidney, AP) WOW

The word out of Minnesota is Rice will be lucky to get on the field before the end of November if then.

 

[pizzatyme]

How good would Vick look on the Vikings next season?

START THE THREAD!!!!

Done.

 

[Bull Dozier]

The Herschel Walker in-season trade was probably a bigger deal and radically changed the landscape of the NFL for several years afterwards.

Probably?

 

[Gopher State]

Big sell for Welker, the double coverage will eat him up. Bump Favre and Moss way up.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I actually think it's a good deal for both sides given the circumstances.

Me too. Tate and Hernandez are already stepping up. Moss was in the last year of his contract.The Patriots now have TWO picks in each of the first four rounds of the 2011 draft.

 

[renesauz]

The thing that bugs me most is that the Patriots might have gotten a 3rd/4th round comp pick if Moss left as a free agent at the end of the season anyways.

Is that in the new collective bargaining agreement? Sorry...there are no comp. picks as things stand right now!And ...there may not even be NFL football next year. If there isn't, this could easily have been Moss' last productive season anyway...which would make this deal an even BIGGER steal for the Pats.

 

[David Yudkin]

Sometimes I look smart on things like this . . .

Sep 22 2010, 03:19 AM | Post #21 |

How bizarro would it be if the Pats traded Moss back to the Vikings? Favre all but got down and begged for the Packers to sign him before . . .

Link to thread from a few weeks ago

 

[Matt Waldman]

Who I think it helps:

Pats this season

Hernandez

Tate - I believe the Pats think he's ready. He looked ready Monday night. Can he be a deep threat? He has the speed, but does he have the skill to track the deep ball and maintain vertical separation? We're about to find out.

Vikings this season

Favre - This is motivation enough for a guy that needed some convincing to return. Upgrade from Sidney Rice in '09

Moss - Favre was his first choice QB anyhow. This could be fun. The adjustment to moving to Minny won't be tough.

Harvin - He can be that underneath slot option and present mismatches without taking on the burden of the offense.

Peterson - obvious

Who I think it hurts:

Brady - He's still an elite QB, just not necessarily an elite fantasy QB. However, Rivers is still playing at a high level without VJax because of Gates - something I didn't expect. I think Hernandez has that kind of talent and I think B Tate will be better (eventually) than any WR SD has. He'll probably drop to the bottom half of QB1s.

BJE - Opposing defenses are going to dare Brady to throw deep a little more.

Welker - only slightly. He's still going to benefit from specific formations that rub him open. He's still going to be a decent WR2/WR3.

 

[bostonfred]

Apparently 50% of the Patriots' defensive snaps have been played by players under the age of 25. The league average is about 23%. And we saw huge plays from Chung and Ninkovic this week, which could be a sign that they're making progress.

Its been 5 years on Ninko. Turns 27 in 3+ months. This is his fourth stop.

Yeah, it was funny listening to the sports radio guys Monday night/Tuesday morning on the drive home from watching the game. They were obviously trying to figure out who the hell he was. At some point they invented a narrative about him being a hard working guy who hung around rosters by sticking around on special teams, but it seemed like they were paraphrasing articles as fast as their producer could find them. In any event, my point wasn't that Ninkovic is one of the under 25 crowd, but that the Pats have totally recycled their defense. Who are the veterans they're building around? Wilfork? The old guard is almost completely recycled, and with Kevin Faulk done for the year and Fred Taylor out indefinitely, it seems like they've cleared out the guys who skated by on their talent or had a sense of entitlement, and have a legit group of young guys to work with. And with two firsts (Oakland), two seconds (Carolina), two thirds (Vikings), and two fourths (Denver) next year, they should be in good shape to move up or down in the draft and fill any holes they might have.

 

[gianmarco]

He's still going to benefit from specific formations that rub him open.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

This was literally probably the only move that could get me excited for the rest of the Vikings season. It was a travesty that Moss was traded in basically a salary dump by an owner selling the team in the first place. Welcome home Randy!1!111@#@ The wrong has been righted. 3rd rounder seems like a good deal for the Vikes.

Considering they only gave up a 4th rounder to get him and got 50 TDs out of him, it's a decent deal for the Patriots.

True. Oakland got fleeced twice, giving up a 1st and only getting a 4th back. It wasn't a secret how desperate the Vikings were, I kind of expected them to get bent over a bit more on any WR deal.

 

[gmbacm]

The Herschel Walker in-season trade was probably a bigger deal and radically changed the landscape of the NFL for several years afterwards.

Probably?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Who I think it helpsats this seasonHernandezTate - I believe the Pats think he's ready. He looked ready Monday night. Can he be a deep threat? He has the speed, but does he have the skill to track the deep ball and maintain vertical separation? We're about to find out. Vikings this seasonFavre - This is motivation enough for a guy that needed some convincing to return. Upgrade from Sidney Rice in '09Moss - Favre was his first choice QB anyhow. This could be fun. The adjustment to moving to Minny won't be tough. Harvin - He can be that underneath slot option and present mismatches without taking on the burden of the offense. Peterson - obvious Who I think it hurts:Brady - He's still an elite QB, just not necessarily an elite fantasy QB. However, Rivers is still playing at a high level without VJax because of Gates - something I didn't expect. I think Hernandez has that kind of talent and I think B Tate will be better (eventually) than any WR SD has. He'll probably drop to the bottom half of QB1s. BJE - Opposing defenses are going to dare Brady to throw deep a little more. Welker - only slightly. He's still going to benefit from specific formations that rub him open. He's still going to be a decent WR2/WR3.

Does the move actually hurt anyone from Minnesota? Shiancoe was Favre's security blanket so does his value drop at all?

 

[Desert_Power]

Who I think it helpsats this seasonHernandezTate - I believe the Pats think he's ready. He looked ready Monday night. Can he be a deep threat? He has the speed, but does he have the skill to track the deep ball and maintain vertical separation? We're about to find out. Vikings this seasonFavre - This is motivation enough for a guy that needed some convincing to return. Upgrade from Sidney Rice in '09Moss - Favre was his first choice QB anyhow. This could be fun. The adjustment to moving to Minny won't be tough. Harvin - He can be that underneath slot option and present mismatches without taking on the burden of the offense. Peterson - obvious Who I think it hurts:Brady - He's still an elite QB, just not necessarily an elite fantasy QB. However, Rivers is still playing at a high level without VJax because of Gates - something I didn't expect. I think Hernandez has that kind of talent and I think B Tate will be better (eventually) than any WR SD has. He'll probably drop to the bottom half of QB1s. BJE - Opposing defenses are going to dare Brady to throw deep a little more. Welker - only slightly. He's still going to benefit from specific formations that rub him open. He's still going to be a decent WR2/WR3.

Does the move actually hurt anyone from Minnesota? Shiancoe was Favre's security blanket so does his value drop at all?

Maybe it will make defenses think twice about putting the safety over Shiancoe to shut him down. I'd bump him up.

 

[GroveDiesel]

The Vikings had to make this move. With Favre showing obvious signs of decline - compounded by Sidney Rice being out - they needed to do something. The price they're paying for Moss is far more palatable than what the Chargers wanted for Vincent Jackson. And IMO even though Moss isn't the same as youthful Randy, VJax still can't hold his jock.As a Packer fan, I'm not thrilled with this move. Particularly when paired with TT failing to get M Lynch.

As a Bears fan, I am also not thrilled with this move. Tremendous job by the Vikings. It is amazing to me that they essentially offered the same sort of deal to the Chargers for Jackson, and did not get him but end up with Moss out of the deal. That is truly astounding to me.I don't see how this does not help everyone on the Vikings offense.

Assuming that either Vincent or Moss would be signed to a 3-5 year deal by the Vikings, it's not all that surprising that Vincent would be worth more than Moss. Moss is 34 and quite obviously slowing down. He has 2 years of production left max. IMO, he's already done and won't be the huge acquisition people think he is.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Who I think it helpsats this seasonHernandezTate - I believe the Pats think he's ready. He looked ready Monday night. Can he be a deep threat? He has the speed, but does he have the skill to track the deep ball and maintain vertical separation? We're about to find out. Vikings this seasonFavre - This is motivation enough for a guy that needed some convincing to return. Upgrade from Sidney Rice in '09Moss - Favre was his first choice QB anyhow. This could be fun. The adjustment to moving to Minny won't be tough. Harvin - He can be that underneath slot option and present mismatches without taking on the burden of the offense. Peterson - obvious Who I think it hurts:Brady - He's still an elite QB, just not necessarily an elite fantasy QB. However, Rivers is still playing at a high level without VJax because of Gates - something I didn't expect. I think Hernandez has that kind of talent and I think B Tate will be better (eventually) than any WR SD has. He'll probably drop to the bottom half of QB1s. BJE - Opposing defenses are going to dare Brady to throw deep a little more. Welker - only slightly. He's still going to benefit from specific formations that rub him open. He's still going to be a decent WR2/WR3.

I'm not sure why everyone's forgetting about Gronk here. What you lose in Moss is one of the best redzone targets ever. Someone will need to replace that presence and Gronk really proved in the preseason that he's capable of being a redzone specialist. I see him as the one that gets the biggest TD bump in this equation.

 

[The Jerk]

Do you guys think Moss plays this week? if so thats beautiful because he essentially has no bye week.

Where have I heard this 14 times before in this thread?

Just entering thread, so I'll assume it's also been pointed out multiple times that a 0 in Week 4 was worse than a bye week for Moss owners. At least when a player has a bye, he can be replaced in your lineup.But I understand that having 17 starts instead of 16 theoretically can make up for some of that loss.

 

[David Yudkin]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Harvin owners should thank their lucky stars, I think he's about to go nuts with this move.

 

[huskers15]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

Was just going to post this, wow.

 

[Frot]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

WOW

 

[Workhorse]

This, from Peter King:

There's something else to the trade besides a 3. Something minor, but something else.

 

[David Yudkin]

This, from Peter King:

There's something else to the trade besides a 3. Something minor, but something else.

Maybe the Pats get Greg Lewis back. That would be pretty minor.

 

[Otis]

This is unreal. I can't believe it went through. The Moss return to Minnesota will be epic. God I love the NFL

 

[Workhorse]

This, from Peter King:

There's something else to the trade besides a 3. Something minor, but something else.

Maybe the Pats get Greg Lewis back. That would be pretty minor.

That would be subtraction by addition.

 

[Bossman]

I'm confused....

wouldn't the Pats have gotten a 3rd rd Compensatory pick anyway when Moss was lost in free agency next off-season?

The only thing gained would be them getting the pick in 2011 instead of 2012 but that's not enuff of a difference to give up your WR1 imo.

Would have made a ton more sense for the Pats to trade for a player... Toby Gerhart or Chad Greenway would have been nice.

There had to be words between Moss and BB, after the 0 catch / 1 target game Monday night, that pushed BB to make the deal.

I can't think of any other reason. Just makes no sense.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

So Belichick gets Moss for a 4th, takes 3 years of stud production, and then ships him out for a 3rd once he starts #####ing about his contract.

Drink it up. Just like Seymour, you are going to think dealing away an important part of the team will be genius when all it does it delay Super Bowl contention, yet another year. Dumb move.

Here comes Vincent Jackson . . .

 

[Obie Wan]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

they will need themfor as shrewd as they are in acquiring extra picksthey sure blow an awful lot of them on non-productive players

 

[Mario Kart]

This, from Peter King:

There's something else to the trade besides a 3. Something minor, but something else.

Peter King is just pissed that he did not get this scoop and able to report it first. King has to put his two cents in to get his name in the news.

 

[comfortably numb]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

I'm lazy, can you post whose picks those are.TIA

 

[identikit]

This, from Peter King:

There's something else to the trade besides a 3. Something minor, but something else.

Peter King is just pissed that he did not get this scoop and able to report it first. King has to put his two cents in to get his name in the news.

Yep.He has been MIA on this story.

 

[Workhorse]

I'm confused....

wouldn't the Pats have gotten a 3rd rd Compensatory pick anyway when Moss was lost in free agency next off-season?

The only thing gained would be them getting the pick in 2011 instead of 2012 but that's not enuff of a difference to give up your WR1 imo.

Would have made a ton more sense for the Pats to trade for a player... Toby Gerhart or Chad Greenway would have been nice.

There had to be words between Moss and BB, after the 0 catch / 1 target game Monday night, that pushed BB to make the deal.

I can't think of any other reason. Just makes no sense.

Per Adamjt13, the Moss comp pick would be a 5th rounder in 2012. Assuming those rules stay the same in the next collective bargaining agreement. That's like getting a 6th in the 2011 draft in terms of value. Not a lot.

 

[bosoxs45]

This is unreal. I can't believe it went through. The Moss return to Minnesota will be epic. God I love the NFL

His return to New England on Halloween will be epic.

 

[bostonfred]

Apparently 50% of the Patriots' defensive snaps have been played by players under the age of 25. The league average is about 23%. And we saw huge plays from Chung and Ninkovic this week, which could be a sign that they're making progress.

Its been 5 years on Ninko. Turns 27 in 3+ months. This is his fourth stop.

Yeah, it was funny listening to the sports radio guys Monday night/Tuesday morning on the drive home from watching the game. They were obviously trying to figure out who the hell he was. At some point they invented a narrative about him being a hard working guy who hung around rosters by sticking around on special teams, but it seemed like they were paraphrasing articles as fast as their producer could find them. In any event, my point wasn't that Ninkovic is one of the under 25 crowd, but that the Pats have totally recycled their defense. Who are the veterans they're building around? Wilfork? The old guard is almost completely recycled, and with Kevin Faulk done for the year and Fred Taylor out indefinitely, it seems like they've cleared out the guys who skated by on their talent or had a sense of entitlement, and have a legit group of young guys to work with. And with two firsts (Oakland), two seconds (Carolina), two thirds (Vikings), and two fourths (Denver) next year, they should be in good shape to move up or down in the draft and fill any holes they might have.

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

I'm lazy, can you post whose picks those are.TIA

 

[sho nuff]

Outstanding trade for the Vikings. They paid a modest price to get a stud player who addresses their most glaring need. My hat's off to them. They went out and aggressively addressed a huge need and have potentially put themselves in the driver's seat in the NFC. They now are one of the few top NFC teams who can run the ball, throw it and stop the run effectively. From a fantasy perspective, it's a ginormous boost for Favre obviously and I think it's huge for Moss too. He now becomes the unquestioned No. 1 WR on his team, will receive a ton of targets and get plenty of looks downfield from Favre. Plus Moss owners get him for an extra game to boot.Wow. I'm still stunned this happened.

Sad thing for your team is that Ted Thompson is not willing to do this. Suddenly, the Packers are no longer the favorite in the Norris. Lynch would have looked REALLY good in green.Rock on KUUUUUUUUUUUUHN!

Lynch is not Moss.And it took Minny how long to get a WR? They have had this need all year too right?We will see how this plays on the field to determine a favorite in the North.Green Bay is still up there, but it certainly gives Minnesota an edge.

 

[Workhorse]

Pats now have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths for next year.

I'm lazy, can you post whose picks those are.TIA

Oakland's 1stCarolina's 2ndMinny's 3rdDenver's 4th

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm confused....

wouldn't the Pats have gotten a 3rd rd Compensatory pick anyway when Moss was lost in free agency next off-season?

The only thing gained would be them getting the pick in 2011 instead of 2012 but that's not enuff of a difference to give up your WR1 imo.

Would have made a ton more sense for the Pats to trade for a player... Toby Gerhart or Chad Greenway would have been nice.

There had to be words between Moss and BB, after the 0 catch / 1 target game Monday night, that pushed BB to make the deal.

I can't think of any other reason. Just makes no sense.

The short answer is it depends. Given the labor situation and state of the CBA, the system that we have become accustomed to may change.One of the areas open for debated between the players and the union has been free agency and how to handle it. How many years you need, what the restrictions are, whether there will be franchise tags, how they deal with RFAs, etc.

If that system and structure changes, the compensatory pick system could change as well. And if the Pats did get a compensatory pick, there's no guarantee that it would be a 3rd rounder (although that would probably be the outcome) and it would be for the following season not the draft coming up next.

I think the real reason this trade got completed is the Pats wanted to move on and felt Moss was becoming a problem potentially on and off the field. Better to get rid of him now and move on (like the Sox did with Manny Ramirez).

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Yep. New England Patriots are the NFL draft pick world champions.

Right, because the Patriots would've gone from one and done to SB champions last year if only they had Seymour.

dont stop him now; he's rolling.

I don't expect Patriot fans to know much about football. It's cool.

You're the one that thinks Richard Seymour is the difference between 0 playoff wins and a ring.

Watch some football. Seymour is a shell of his former self.

It's cool.

It is. I understand why you are getting riled up. I suggest your savior is wrong. It's like what I told Joe B not too long ago. Patriot fans are so bought into whatever BB does, that he has become infallible. You shouldn't be wasting your time with me anyway. The SOP for you girls is to say how bad Randy Moss is and how little he means to the team. Get to typing.

 

[nysportsfan]

Baseball playoffs start tonight and the NFL steals the show anyway. Yet another reason to shorten the 162 game season.

 

[Workhorse]

It is. I understand why you are getting riled up. I suggest your savior is wrong. It's like what I told Joe B not too long ago. Patriot fans are so bought into whatever BB does, that he has become infallible. You shouldn't be wasting your time with me anyway. The SOP for you girls is to say how bad Randy Moss is and how little he means to the team. Get to typing.

Settle down, Beavis. There are LOTS of Patriot fans on this board who are PISSED about the Moss trade.