Dynasty Content Lacking: Please Fix It (1 Viewer)

[DigiVoX]

I enjoy FBG. I have been a subscriber for 6 years so I have an accurate gauge of what is lacking at FBG and how it can be improved, especially in regards to dynasty content.

For years in the forums there have been persistent requests from subscribers for more dynasty content.

While there is some dynasty content, the majority of content is primarily for redraft leagues. Who is FBG’s target market? Is it the redraft mangers, the dynasty mangers, or both? I would say right now, FBG’s target market is redraft managers, and I feel FBG is missing the boat. They could potentially make more money and have more satisfied customers if they were to more heavily target dynasty managers with its content.

I understand FBG is a business and it often comes down to making money. I’m fine with that. As long as FBG is providing me what I want, I’m happy. But even though I'm happy right now, I’m only at 5 on a scale of happiness from 1 to 10. I probably wouldn’t be as forgiving if there were more competition in the industry, but if there is, I don’t know which sites are competitive with FBG's offering. Give me more dynasty content.

I know FBG likes to advertise that it produces 50,000+ of pages of content each year, but I don’t care. Here are the things that I use/listen to at FBG:

-- Waiver Report – Waldman / Offensive Upgrades/Waiver – Waldman (6 pages per week)

-- The Audible (at least the Waiver Wire Special, and a combination of Week Recaps and Week Previews) (worth lots of pages per week)

-- Target Sorter (46 pages per week)

-- Depth Charts (11 pages per week)

-- My weekly cheatsheet (inseason) (mostly for Bloom’s rankings) (10 pages per week)

-- Football Guys News Blogger (Pleaes provide option to only show “Our View” entires on the website like in the daily email. I like reading the news on the website but I don’t read often because there are so many non-“Our View” entries. I don’t usually read the emails because by the time the news has been sent to me, it’s already a day old.) (8 pages per day = 56 pages per week)

-- Offensive Sleepers – Henry (11 pages per week)

-- Buy Low/Sell High – Bloom (MY FAVORITE ARTICLE) (3 pages per week)

-- Roundtable – Staff (I only read Waldman’s and Bloom’s comments) (14 pages per week)

-- Dynasty Rankings (14 pages per 3 months)

-- FBG contest (lots of pages)

There are approximately 200 pages of content that I am interested in any given week. That comes out to 3,400 pages per season. On top of that, there are probably another 1,000 pages of preseason content that I’m interested in.

For a full season, I’m interested in about 5,000 pages of content. So that’s 10% of the content that FBG advertises that it produces. In other words I’m interested in only 1 page of every 10 pages of content at FBG. There’s a lot of fluff that I really don’t care for.

Feedback for the content that I do not care for:

-- Please avoid wasting my time by rehashing what is already common knowledge. Spend your time on insights and back them up with why you believe in your insights, even if they’re not that great, you may point something out that I had never thought of before. I like that.

-- For the most part, I don’t care about stats. I don’t care about historical records. I care about this point forward. I do care about how many points opposing defenses give up and if a particular player has dominated a team in the past, but aside from those and a general game log, I don’t care.

-- Make your article titles descriptive. There are numerous article names on FBG where I don’t have the slightest idea what they contain. I don’t have a lot of time to spend clicking on random, undescriptive articles. I tried that once, but week-to-week, I forgot that I already clicked that article in the prior week, which I didn’t like at that time. Make it intuitive and I’m more likely to read your content. Don’t get fancy with the names. It’d be great to have a secondary line of text with a few words describing the content of the article like the forums have below the thread titles.

-- Make sure you bold player names in articles that contain lots of text. I’m not interested in reading long articles. I’m only interested in my players and preemptive pickups so bold the names so it’s easy for me to find these players.

FBG, I beg that you listen more to your dynasty manager subscribers. For years in the forums I have read numerous posts describing the lack of dynasty content on the website, including the lack of in-season dynasty rankings. It’s time to change. Make things better.

I can speculate that dynasty managers spend more time researching so give them the content to research. It’s fair to say that a dynasty manager is more willing to pay for content, so give your customers what they want. It’s safe to say that if you better satisfy a need in the marketplace, you will be rewarded with more paying subscribers.

Make it happen.

 

[FUBAR]

Is dynastyguys.com still going?

 

[massraider]

The thing that you didn't mention, which I DO think is helpful for dynasty, is the game recaps. A really good tool, that I think not enough people utilize. None of us watch all the games, and reading those really gives me a handle on what happened in the games, beyond reading a box score.

What you post was missing, of course, is what you think FBG is missing in terms of dynasty. What's the article that you are looking for, pertaining to dynasty?

I play only dynasty/keeper/auction salary cap leagues as well (all IDP). I don't really know what they can add. More IDP coverage? I'd like it, but what percentage of leagues are worried about backup middle linebackers? Not too many.

One thing I think would be great: Maybe a writer, or more likely, a knowledgeable Shark Pooler, writing a weekly article on the state of each team. I would read an article every week that coolnerd or GregR wrote about the Texans, or Chase about the Jets, or Tremblay about the Chargers. Especially during the summer, during training camp. Just fantasy focused, maybe the FBG honchos pick a guy from the pool, that can be as unbiased as possible, and give the scoop. Probably tough to find 32 guys that could do it well week in and week out, but I'd love to see them give it a shot.

 

[The Comedian]

What you post was missing, of course, is what you think FBG is missing in terms of dynasty. What's the article that you are looking for, pertaining to dynasty?

I don't think there'd be much, but there is even less right now.I think dynasty rankings need to be updated during the season by more FBG writers. Not every week or anything, but 2-3 times during the season seems more than reasonable.I think a weekly buy low/sell high article from a dynasty perspective would be very useful as well. I know that addicts like Bloom are in several dynasty leagues - who are they targeting? Who are they unloading? Stuff like that.

 

[tones]

One thing that I find useful for dynasty in the offense is a progression of targets for WR/TE and workload for RB. Increases team trusts them decreases they don't or injured or maybe scheme or game situation. Creates players I watch on game rewind which is $30 investment and well worth it. IDPers tougher but try to find a beat writer who tracks personal groupings Reiess from NE does a AWESOME job on both sides of the ball. Pro Football Focus has the #'s but $. They do do an IDP snap count article weekly which gives you some information.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I'm not sure if they do this already, but I'd be interested in a "perfect rookie draft" article

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think a weekly buy low/sell high article from a dynasty perspective would be very useful as well. I know that addicts like Bloom are in several dynasty leagues - who are they targeting? Who are they unloading? Stuff like that.

Thats exactly what i release on thursdays.Folks, I hear you. I am at full capacity this year taking care of my son at home and doing everything I do right now w/ the audible and projections, etc. He starts preschool next fall and I will ramp up dynasty content big time. Promise.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'm not sure if they do this already, but I'd be interested in a "perfect rookie draft" article

added to the "to do" list next summer.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

-- Make your article titles descriptive. There are numerous article names on FBG where I don’t have the slightest idea what they contain. I don’t have a lot of time to spend clicking on random, undescriptive articles. I tried that once, but week-to-week, I forgot that I already clicked that article in the prior week, which I didn’t like at that time. Make it intuitive and I’m more likely to read your content. Don’t get fancy with the names. It’d be great to have a secondary line of text with a few words describing the content of the article like the forums have below the thread titles.-- Make sure you bold player names in articles that contain lots of text. I’m not interested in reading long articles. I’m only interested in my players and preemptive pickups so bold the names so it’s easy for me to find these players.

I agree with these two. But otherwise, what exactly do you want to see that they're not providing? What kind of dynasty-specific information are you looking for?Don't forget that you're just one of thousands of subscribers, and my guess is that the overwhelming majority of them, like myself, don't play in any dynasty leagues and don't have any interest in dynasty content - and in fact may be less inclined to purchase the product if they have to sift through a bunch of dynasty-specific content to find what they're looking for.

 

[belljr]

What I think I would like for dynasty is maybe a tier value or what players they see are worth pick wise, just part of the rankings. Like if we were drafting right now, emanuelle sanders would be a 5th round pick, equal to player, a, b c.

They do this but it appears for redraft only.

 

[vinwinephans]

What I think I would like for dynasty is maybe a tier value or what players they see are worth pick wise, just part of the rankings. Like if we were drafting right now, emanuelle sanders would be a 5th round pick, equal to player, a, b c.They do this but it appears for redraft only.

When you say "equate to draft picks", do you mean as if it were an initial draft? Hard to compare players to rookie/freeagent pick values since every league has different parameters for what that draft will be and who can be drafted.I always hear people complaining about the lack of dynasty information. If this improved I would actually subscribe.

 

[dmac37]

I have been a subscriber for the last 4 years now, so for me there is plenty to like about a FBG subscription. The lack of dynasty content has been an issue for years now and I also agree with DigiVox in the majority of the weekly content is never looked at.

A) My suggestion is for FBG to run a poll for us subscribers to find out what weekly content we actually read and use.

B) Ask us what features we would like to see added, for me dynasty PPR rankings/information

Also the one tool I think is a GREAT idea and I like to use is the custom top 200 going forward. IMO I'm not sure the same quality or time is put into these rankings and why in the world do they feel the need to update rankings for the rest of the year daily? I don't understand this.

How about once a month do a custom top 300 for dynasty?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I also agree with DigiVox in the majority of the weekly content is never looked at.

...by you. If no one ever looked at it, they'd stop producing it.

My suggestion is for FBG to run a poll for us subscribers to find out what weekly content we actually read and use.

I'm sure they already track this. No need to poll anyone.

 

[PewterFan]

I'm happy with the dynasty content with the exception (as someone else already mentioned) that the dynasty rankings really needs to be updated more.

 

[massraider]

I also agree with DigiVox in the majority of the weekly content is never looked at.

...by you. If no one ever looked at it, they'd stop producing it.

Same routine. "I don't look at this, so no one else must either..."

 

[treat88]

I'm happy with the dynasty content with the exception (as someone else already mentioned) that the dynasty rankings really needs to be updated more.

+1.The more dynasty content the better. However, I believe for the price of a subscription the amount and quality of content FBG provides it is already an amazing value.

 

[dmac37]

I also agree with DigiVox in the majority of the weekly content is never looked at.

...by you. If no one ever looked at it, they'd stop producing it.

Same routine. "I don't look at this, so no one else must either..."

Not so fast- I also only seem to check out much of the same content that DigiVox mentioned, this does not mean this is what everyone looks at. That is why I mentioned a poll to see what the majority currently uses and what content the majority would like to see.

 

[dmac37]

I also agree with DigiVox in the majority of the weekly content is never looked at.

...by you. If no one ever looked at it, they'd stop producing it.

My suggestion is for FBG to run a poll for us subscribers to find out what weekly content we actually read and use.

I'm sure they already track this. No need to poll anyone.

Do they really already have a tool in place to track what content is being looked at or used? I know a few years ago they sent us subscribers a questioneer style sheet looking for input, I have not seen this since then.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I also agree with DigiVox in the majority of the weekly content is never looked at.

...by you. If no one ever looked at it, they'd stop producing it.

My suggestion is for FBG to run a poll for us subscribers to find out what weekly content we actually read and use.

I'm sure they already track this. No need to poll anyone.

Do they really already have a tool in place to track what content is being looked at or used? I know a few years ago they sent us subscribers a questioneer style sheet looking for input, I have not seen this since then.

I'm pretty sure every website has that capability. There's no way on earth they're not tracking this.

 

[Apple Jack]

I also agree with DigiVox in the majority of the weekly content is never looked at.

...by you. If no one ever looked at it, they'd stop producing it.

My suggestion is for FBG to run a poll for us subscribers to find out what weekly content we actually read and use.

I'm sure they already track this. No need to poll anyone.

Do they really already have a tool in place to track what content is being looked at or used? I know a few years ago they sent us subscribers a questioneer style sheet looking for input, I have not seen this since then.

I'm pretty sure every website has that capability. There's no way on earth they're not tracking this.

Yep. It's the same set-up that allows websites with advertisers to monitor ads viewed and click-throughs. They can see when you look at the main page premium content page and then when you click on a link. I'm sure that functionality is commonplace by now.

 

[ClownDogs]

It just sucks that it is halfway thru the season and only 2 staffers have basically updated their dynasty rankings.(thats just offensive players, zero on IDP part which is more disappointing)

I would think that at a MIN, all staffers rankings should be updated by midseason, to help folks that are out of the playoff race determine who to target/trade.

Overall, i am a happy customer, but the lack of dynasty ranking updates gets old and annoying year after year, something that should be VERY easy to change.

Thanks

 

[JAK Straw]

To an extent I think a decent amount of dynasty material is already on the site, but I don't think its well organized so that you can easily access the content you need. What dynasty players really need IMO isn't just a ranking of players but discussion of ALL of the players on a team, their skills, the likelihood that they earn a starting job etc. For example, does backup WR have a lot of talent but needs steady playing time? Will economics force his team to allow current started to leave for big FA money and give that guy a shot? Again there is discussion but you have to sift thru a lot of articles to find it. Perhaps the content could be reorganized? And maybe there needs to be an overseer to ensure that the writers don't all cover the same teams/topics?

I've had similar comments about IDP coverage in the past. You may have three writers all talking about the big game that the backup MLB on team A had this week after the starter went down; but nobody is discussing anything about team B where the starter also got hurt and the backup just had an OK game. What does that mean? Is it relevant that the guy played solidly, or did he fail in his opportunity?

If we had a redraft vs. dynasty content filter, and within that some sort of grid to follow content for each team, etc. Along with some kind of index for players rising/falling, with links to articles discussing that player. That way, when you are researching players, you have a reliable resource to consult. If this kind of infrastructure were put in place it would be obvious where the holes were and what additional coverage is needed.

 

[Amused to Death]

I would think that at a MIN, all staffers rankings should be updated by midseason, to help folks that are out of the playoff race determine who to target/trade.

I mentioned in another dynasty ranking thread, I'd like to see 4 updates a year. Post-draft, after the last pre-season games, mid-season, and after the Super Bowl.

 

[Dez]

It wouldn't matter much anyway I seen Gates rated ahead of Graham half way through the season for dynasty which makes zero sense...and injury riddled TE at age 31 or an up and coming superstar for the next 10 years.

Not many people fully understand how to even rank dynasty players anyway. Where would a guy like Steve Smith having a career season rank among the younger WR's ? All depends on who you have on your team. If you need a stud WR to put you over the top he would be more valuable to that team then a non contender. So for different teams players would be ranked differently.

 

[ipljeff]

year daily? I don't understand this.How about once a month do a custom top 300 for dynasty?

Here's what I'd MyFBG Custom Top 200 (300) Forward for Dynasty (rest of this year + 2 years)

 

[horn2001]

I'm in the group that would like to see dynasty rankings updated more frequently throughout the season. I love the content, and think that it is a great value, but the fact that dynasty rankings aren't available very frequently is my only real complaint.

 

[J Giles Band]

-- Make your article titles descriptive. There are numerous article names on FBG where I don’t have the slightest idea what they contain. I don’t have a lot of time to spend clicking on random, undescriptive articles. I tried that once, but week-to-week, I forgot that I already clicked that article in the prior week, which I didn’t like at that time. Make it intuitive and I’m more likely to read your content. Don’t get fancy with the names. It’d be great to have a secondary line of text with a few words describing the content of the article like the forums have below the thread titles.

Agree with this 100%. The 'cute' article titles serve little to no purpose. Why not title the articles to describe what they are so there's no wasted time or confusion when navigating the site?

 

[PewterFan]

-- Make your article titles descriptive. There are numerous article names on FBG where I don't have the slightest idea what they contain. I don't have a lot of time to spend clicking on random, undescriptive articles. I tried that once, but week-to-week, I forgot that I already clicked that article in the prior week, which I didn't like at that time. Make it intuitive and I'm more likely to read your content. Don't get fancy with the names. It'd be great to have a secondary line of text with a few words describing the content of the article like the forums have below the thread titles.

Agree with this 100%. The 'cute' article titles serve little to no purpose. Why not title the articles to describe what they are so there's no wasted time or confusion when navigating the site?

I think the titles are fine even though I can see how it could be confusing for new subscribers. The problem may be that the weekly content is organized by the day of the week, (again, I'm talking about new subscribers). Maybe they can put the dynasty king symbol by all the articles that serve dynasty owners moreso than redraft. But even this won't be perfect as some articles are useful for both (look at Bloom's Buy-Low/Sell-High article this week for example). I still say the number 1 thing that FBG's need to work on is updating the rankings more (with at least 3 staff members providing their rankings within a fair amount of time throughout the year).

 

[Longshot88]

It just sucks that it is halfway thru the season and only 2 staffers have basically updated their dynasty rankings.(thats just offensive players, zero on IDP part which is more disappointing)I would think that at a MIN, all staffers rankings should be updated by midseason, to help folks that are out of the playoff race determine who to target/trade.Overall, i am a happy customer, but the lack of dynasty ranking updates gets old and annoying year after year, something that should be VERY easy to change.Thanks

IT does suck, what sucks more is that we complain about this each year! And like every year they do nothing to change it for the better

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Is dynastyguys.com still going?

nope that died.While dynasty is a great format. In reality, FBGs bread n butter is re-draft players. It is what it is. Dynasty guys had no chance

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

4. MONEY BACK GUARANTEEHow confident are we that you'll be happy with your purchase? Enough that we offer any customer the option to cancel their subscription and receive a refund up until September 30, 2011. If you're not happy with our service, we'll give you your money back. It's that simple. How's that for putting your money where your mouth is?

Looks like you guys missed the deadline. Keep this in mind for next year.

 

[prymetyme25]

What ever happened to Dynasty Shopping Mall? That along with Buy Low/Sell High was one of my favorites.

 

[Football Daddy]

I have been a fan/member of FFG's for awhile now after discovering it and immediately detecting the relative increase in quality and sophistication of its content compared to their peers. Just don't post much.

However, I have always been disappointed and miffed as to the lack of effort put forth towards dynasty. In the past, some of this was mitigated by the efforts in my beloved Shark Pool by highly respected (by me) efforts and opinions by members such as, "Fear and Loathing" and his fantastic Dynasty thread (sadly, it has gotten dusty this year), EBF, MOP, and Az_prof to name just a few. I truly loved reading the spirited back and forth discussions on players and picked up a few purely based on that thread (enjoying the production of Jimmy Graham).

I play in a dynasty league that is 20 years old now and has members who most definitely would be respected entities if they swam in the Shark Pool. To compete, I need every edge I can find. FBG and any dynasty content I could find here has helped me win several championships. In that league bragging rights is everything

Sadly, I feel I am losing that edge as FBG's seem less inclined then ever to fulfill that niche and have started looking elsewhere for that dynasty content. Have considered buying into Rotoworld just to follow F&L. I fully understand Bloom, how the priorities of Papahood can reduce the available time to accomplish all you want to do (see my sig), and I really look forward to your dynasty efforts next year. However, one of the reasons I enjoy and respect this site is the number and quality of opinions in the FBG stable. I respect the Jeff's (T&P)and Waldman's dynasty thoughts, along with others. How come it would fall ONLY on you Bloom to provide the desired dynasty content? I know Jeff T. puts out a Dynasty News article, but as the only article by FBG's it falls way short of meeting our needs.

Anyway, just my thoughts on a topic that struck home with me. One last gripe (yearning?), I miss David Dodds "From the Gut" articles this year. I really enjoyed/respected DD's thoughts and often found those extremely helpful deciphering the mysteries of the fluid situations unfolding before and during the season. David, a fan is clamoring for the return of that series. A half-way point article(s) is desired!

Appreciate that the brain-trust at FBG's reads these opinions and understands that it's primary mission in life is to give its members the content necessary to give them an edge in their leagues. I fully expect that based on this and several other recent threads of the same tone will result in some addition's to the categorical content in the future. Give the customers what they want, right?

Done venting. I now need to figure out if there is anything to this Kevin Smith acquisition by my beloved Lions...

 

[Longshot88]

Fact is the problem is organization, All it would take is for David or Joe to set deadlines for dynasty rankings/ features, and that just has not happened. WHY?

 

[griff321]

I would love to at least see a bit more information on deeper sleepers or upcoming guys with dynasty analysis.

 

[Longshot88]

Fact is the problem is organization, All it would take is for David or Joe to set deadlines for dynasty rankings/ features, and that just has not happened. WHY?

i would like a reasponce, David ,Joe ?

 

[Brewtown]

Why don't you have an in-season ranking of the college players that may be in next years draft? The ranking could be a top 25 and look somewhat like below:

1) Richardson

2) Luck

3) Ball

This would be simple and a very enjoyable weekly update and an enjoyable read. It would wet the appetite for that Dynasty player who is looking forward to next year and show the depth of the potential next years draft. You could put an * next to the potential underclassmen. I can't believe that you have not done this yet and I think it would be an enjoyable project for one of your experts or even an intern....

Git-R-Dun!

 

[MadGuru]

How about a weekly update to the rankings? Is that an unrealistic thing to expect for a subscription? You have thousands of members because FBG's is known to be the best FF site out there... please don't lose your edge.

Dynasty Rankings use to be updated regularly when I first purchased this subscription... It's one of the many reasons I keep coming back.

 

[Amused to Death]

How about a weekly update to the rankings? Is that an unrealistic thing to expect for a subscription? You have thousands of members because FBG's is known to be the best FF site out there... please don't lose your edge.

Dynasty Rankings use to be updated regularly when I first purchased this subscription... It's one of the many reasons I keep coming back.

IMO they don't need to be weekly. Dynasty rankings shouldn't be based on a good or bad game week to week. In fact that would be counter productive. But I do think at least one in-season update is appropriate. No way Cam Newton should be ranked below Donovan McNabb at this point (not that there was a reason to rank him below McNabb in the preseason).As I posted above, I think there are 4 points in the year that affect dynasty rankings. But if they are only going to be updated once or twice a year, they shouldn't be posted in the first place.

 

[Longshot88]

would anyone on the staff like to add to this thread?

 

[fbomb]

What I think I would like for dynasty is maybe a tier value or what players they see are worth pick wise, just part of the rankings. Like if we were drafting right now, emanuelle sanders would be a 5th round pick, equal to player, a, b c.They do this but it appears for redraft only.

When you say "equate to draft picks", do you mean as if it were an initial draft? Hard to compare players to rookie/freeagent pick values since every league has different parameters for what that draft will be and who can be drafted.I always hear people complaining about the lack of dynasty information. If this improved I would actually subscribe.

Like a lot of dynasty players out there, I use a varition of this with an exception - players are tiered based on the future year's rookie draft picks rather than startup draft picks. In my experience the average "recent draft" startup pick values of players on rosters in existing (more than a year or two old) dynasty leagues doesnt typically equate to real world trade value in established leagues. For example, Brees may "cost" a 2nd or 3rd rounder in a new startup right now (haven't had a startup in a couple years, so this draft range is an estimate), but his trade value in an established league is likely lower than players drafted in that 2nd/3rd new startup round range now unless a team is desperate.The next year's rookie draft picks are currency. Whether bolstering a contender for a stretch run or rebuilding a stinker, I often start my trade thought process by thinking of player's buy/sell values in terms of this currency (a range of future rookie draft picks), estimate the draft day range of any included picks, move on to whether I am a buyer or seller, and then use that info to evaluate/offer potential trades.The Shark Pool has had great dynasty threads in the past where the player-to-rookie-pick evaluation using "I'm a buyer at 1.x" and "I'm a seller at 1.x" values were posted and discussed. These usually pop up as rookie drafts approach. Seeing staff member's thoughts would be interesting, but I think an in season Shark Pool thread where these values are discussed would be very helpful to a lot of folks as they try to consider deals before trade deadlines pass.

 

[Hoss Style]

I would think that at a MIN, all staffers rankings should be updated by midseason, to help folks that are out of the playoff race determine who to target/trade.

I mentioned in another dynasty ranking thread, I'd like to see 4 updates a year. Post-draft, after the last pre-season games, mid-season, and after the Super Bowl.

This would make me very happy. I'd add in one more update during the season to make it two updates in-season, maybe weeks 6 & 12.As for the content - I use this site for my keeper leagues and it helps a lot. Of course before this, for years, I simply had every team page bookmarked along with each major newspaper's website (or 2). So I'm not sure I know what "good" dynasty coverage would be. I just know this site is a hell of a lot better than what I was doing.

And Bloom - why don't you hire another guy to work on Dynasty with you off and on through the season? Instead of having a $200,000 prize for the contest (or whatever it is - my memory is crap) have a slightly lower prize and kick a few grand to a quality guy who helps you out?

With the huge prizes you guys offer in your contests I assume the site has to be doing pretty well, right?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

4. MONEY BACK GUARANTEEHow confident are we that you'll be happy with your purchase? Enough that we offer any customer the option to cancel their subscription and receive a refund up until September 30, 2011. If you're not happy with our service, we'll give you your money back. It's that simple. How's that for putting your money where your mouth is?

Looks like you guys missed the deadline. Keep this in mind for next year.

You think that's the attitude that should be taken here? Customer making suggestions, you tell them they should leave if they don't like it? You would make a great buisness owner

 

[belljr]

What I think I would like for dynasty is maybe a tier value or what players they see are worth pick wise, just part of the rankings. Like if we were drafting right now, emanuelle sanders would be a 5th round pick, equal to player, a, b c.They do this but it appears for redraft only.

When you say "equate to draft picks", do you mean as if it were an initial draft? Hard to compare players to rookie/freeagent pick values since every league has different parameters for what that draft will be and who can be drafted.I always hear people complaining about the lack of dynasty information. If this improved I would actually subscribe.

Like a lot of dynasty players out there, I use a varition of this with an exception - players are tiered based on the future year's rookie draft picks rather than startup draft picks. In my experience the average "recent draft" startup pick values of players on rosters in existing (more than a year or two old) dynasty leagues doesnt typically equate to real world trade value in established leagues. For example, Brees may "cost" a 2nd or 3rd rounder in a new startup right now (haven't had a startup in a couple years, so this draft range is an estimate), but his trade value in an established league is likely lower than players drafted in that 2nd/3rd new startup round range now unless a team is desperate.The next year's rookie draft picks are currency. Whether bolstering a contender for a stretch run or rebuilding a stinker, I often start my trade thought process by thinking of player's buy/sell values in terms of this currency (a range of future rookie draft picks), estimate the draft day range of any included picks, move on to whether I am a buyer or seller, and then use that info to evaluate/offer potential trades.The Shark Pool has had great dynasty threads in the past where the player-to-rookie-pick evaluation using "I'm a buyer at 1.x" and "I'm a seller at 1.x" values were posted and discussed. These usually pop up as rookie drafts approach. Seeing staff member's thoughts would be interesting, but I think an in season Shark Pool thread where these values are discussed would be very helpful to a lot of folks as they try to consider deals before trade deadlines pass.

 

[DoubleG]

It wouldn't matter much anyway I seen Gates rated ahead of Graham half way through the season for dynasty which makes zero sense...and injury riddled TE at age 31 or an up and coming superstar for the next 10 years.Not many people fully understand how to even rank dynasty players anyway. Where would a guy like Steve Smith having a career season rank among the younger WR's ? All depends on who you have on your team. If you need a stud WR to put you over the top he would be more valuable to that team then a non contender. So for different teams players would be ranked differently.

This is only part of the problem - scoring differences and lineup requirements are magnified when looking at dynasty rankings. Long term team needs are also a big factor.There is another issue that is being missed though - and that is the opposite of what many are bemoaning. First off, I am NOT saying there shouldn't be any dynasty updates during the season. But you don't want too many - lest they turn into a reactionary pseudo dynasty/redraft hybrid. What I mean is dynasty ranking should take "long term" effects of injury, production, etc. and sometimes it's too easy to over-react. As a few examples:1) The Arizona RB situation. Wells is running fairly well (despite injury) and R. Williams obviously suffered the defestating injury - but how you rank them shouldn't depend too much on how well Beanie is doing - unless you think it makes his chances of remaining the starter next year (and in 2013, 2014...) that much better.2) The Atlanta WR situation. Harry Douglass had a monster game this past week. He might have a few more in quick succesion as Julio Jones tweaked his hammy and might be out (or at least limited) for the near future. I could very easily see the 27 year old, journeyman WR being overvalued in dynatsy league rankings that were updated in the next few weeks. Will he be productive in the short term? Sure. But in 2012? When Julio is back? Probably not as much as the 3rd WR.The point in both is not only the difficulty in doing "long terms" projections, but the tendancy to over value short term situation in constantly updated rankings. It is not an easy balance. And all of that goes out the window anyway when you have teams fighting for playoff spots, while other teams are looking to the future and you have teams trading away guys like Ahmad Bradshaw just to land Gates and Hasselbeck. While "updating dynasty rankings" sounds reasonable - there are a great many factors that it make difficult

 

[Anthony Borbely]

would anyone on the staff like to add to this thread?

This is just with respect to my situation and has nothing to do with other staffers:In the past I tried to update once a month and sometimes I was able to, but not always due to time restraints. I have never liked to update until at least 4 games have been played because seeing only one game can cause a severe overreaction with regards to rankings, especially rookies and 2nd year players. Now once 4 games have been played (a month) then doing a set of dynasty rankings is literally like starting from scratch and it is very time consuming, perhaps a lot more than anyone realizes (at least for me). I also do not want to just hurry and post sloppy rankings fast just to get them posted because that would be a disservice to the subscribers. Also note that I have to do IDP dynasty rankings too (and before offense) so that adds to the time. As for my situation, my top priority once the season starts are my 2 weekly IDP articles. I am lucky right now to get those finished. I am a full time college student with a pretty heavy load of classes, plus I have 2 part time jobs and household chores. I am severely time challenged right now. Obviously, the above are all at a much higher priority level than in-season dynasty rankings. For me, it is simply a matter of not having the time to do them. I am seriously in a severe time crunch. For those of you who went to college, you know how time intensive that is. Now imagine doing it when you are 50 years old. The lower energy level of a 50 year old compared to a 20 year old by itself adds several hours per week of time for my studies. I'm making it just fine, but the extra time makes other aspects of my live much more challenging. This particular year, I have had other personal issues in my life that have taken even more time. In the past, I have done a couple of sets of rankings in-season, but it has not been possible this year. I also have not been as active on the boards this year.I realize the above sounds like an excuse, but the reality is that I could not possibly do any rankings right now. It is simply that I lack the time. The above being said, I may be able to do something in the future. I highly doubt I can do anything this year before Thanksgiving weekend. I have been asked in the past to do rankings after the first game or 2 and I really don't like to because it is easy to overreact to a great/terrible game or 2, especially for rookies and other younger players. The problem is if I overreact against my better judgement, the rankings are not true...and if I don't overreact, people wonder if it is because I don't like a particular player. In that case, neither may be true...I just want to see more. That is the main reason why I haven't updated in the first week or 2 and why I want to see a good months worth of work. The above being said, I am going to try (not promising, but considering) updating my rankings after the first game or 2 next year and see how it goes. I usually do have time to do this early in the college term and perhaps it will mean I don't have to start from scratch to do the rankings after the first 4-5 games have been played. I have always liked my dynasty leagues more than redraft so I can understand the frustration. I really don't want to update my rankings after the first game or two but I think I have to reconsider that and figure out a way to deal with overreacting to 1 great or terrible game. Hope that helped.

 

[BassNBrew]

I would think that at a MIN, all staffers rankings should be updated by midseason, to help folks that are out of the playoff race determine who to target/trade.

I mentioned in another dynasty ranking thread, I'd like to see 4 updates a year. Post-draft, after the last pre-season games, mid-season, and after the Super Bowl.

This would make me very happy. I'd add in one more update during the season to make it two updates in-season, maybe weeks 6 & 12.As for the content - I use this site for my keeper leagues and it helps a lot. Of course before this, for years, I simply had every team page bookmarked along with each major newspaper's website (or 2). So I'm not sure I know what "good" dynasty coverage would be. I just know this site is a hell of a lot better than what I was doing.

And Bloom - why don't you hire another guy to work on Dynasty with you off and on through the season? Instead of having a $200,000 prize for the contest (or whatever it is - my memory is crap) have a slightly lower prize and kick a few grand to a quality guy who helps you out?

With the huge prizes you guys offer in your contests I assume the site has to be doing pretty well, right?

Nothing personal against you, but the contests are much more important/interesting to me. DD sims are probably missed more around here than dynasty content.

 

[The Comedian]

your post here

The thing is, the way you and Bloom talk about it, how you don't have enough time for it...I think that's what people are talking about. I don't know how the staffers decide what has to be done, what doesn't, what is mandatory and what is "if I have time," but I think the point of this thread is that people are wondering why it isn't a top-down FBG directive to emphasize this dynasty stuff. I guess it's because 99% of the FBG business is redrafts, but the point is, I don't think anyone here is like OMG WHERE ARE BLOOMS/BORBELY'S RANKINGS, I think people want to know why the site, overall, doesn't push dynasty that much.

 

[Amused to Death]

I would think that at a MIN, all staffers rankings should be updated by midseason, to help folks that are out of the playoff race determine who to target/trade.

I mentioned in another dynasty ranking thread, I'd like to see 4 updates a year. Post-draft, after the last pre-season games, mid-season, and after the Super Bowl.

This would make me very happy. I'd add in one more update during the season to make it two updates in-season, maybe weeks 6 & 12.As for the content - I use this site for my keeper leagues and it helps a lot. Of course before this, for years, I simply had every team page bookmarked along with each major newspaper's website (or 2). So I'm not sure I know what "good" dynasty coverage would be. I just know this site is a hell of a lot better than what I was doing.

And Bloom - why don't you hire another guy to work on Dynasty with you off and on through the season? Instead of having a $200,000 prize for the contest (or whatever it is - my memory is crap) have a slightly lower prize and kick a few grand to a quality guy who helps you out?

With the huge prizes you guys offer in your contests I assume the site has to be doing pretty well, right?

Nothing personal against you, but the contests are much more important/interesting to me. DD sims are probably missed more around here than dynasty content.

Nothing personal against you, but I'd rather have the dynasty content.

 

[BassNBrew]

How about a weekly update to the rankings? Is that an unrealistic thing to expect for a subscription? You have thousands of members because FBG's is known to be the best FF site out there... please don't lose your edge.

Dynasty Rankings use to be updated regularly when I first purchased this subscription... It's one of the many reasons I keep coming back.

IMO they don't need to be weekly. Dynasty rankings shouldn't be based on a good or bad game week to week. In fact that would be counter productive. But I do think at least one in-season update is appropriate. No way Cam Newton should be ranked below Donovan McNabb at this point (not that there was a reason to rank him below McNabb in the preseason).As I posted above, I think there are 4 points in the year that affect dynasty rankings. But if they are only going to be updated once or twice a year, they shouldn't be posted in the first place.

Not trying to be rude or ugly to anyone with this comment, but why would you want more of something like rankings that have McNabb higher than Cam? Seems like you are requesting bad advice more often and in more volume.

Truth is that not many people care about dynasty content. Rather than swimming against the current, if I were FBG I would pick the brains of the top dynasty guys around here not on staff and get a feel for what works and what doesn't. Take what works and expand on it. Take what doesn't work and either make an effort to fix it, or just dump it.