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[DYNASTY] The Rookie 100 Index (1 Viewer)

I thinnkd Bradley played very well last night, as did Orton.  Granted, it was against a 2nd/3rd team Defense, but its a lot more encouraging then if they each hadn't made it to the stat-sheet at all.

Colin
ive been high on bradley from day one and its really encouraging to see him be a natural for getting separation and not fighting the ball - especially after the mixed reviews from minicamp and the first week of camp. i see no one of note standing in his way of being the feature WR in the passing attack come 2007 if his development goes well. orton is still a gunslinger, good to see the confidence back after a tough finish to 2004. hutch looks like he can handle the backup job, so orton gets to study and work on technique with wade wilson. if grossman can stay healthy and orton develops, there could be a real interesting QB battle in chicago in a few years. orton, lefors, and orlovsky are all very interesting QB prospects to me and ill be following their development off the field this year.
 
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just in case you dont want to read through all 100 - biggest developments in the last few days:1) Kirk Morrison a rising star in oakland camp in the running for the WLB job - also practicing with the first team goal line D - could be as good as a fantasy prospect as more heralded guys like ruud, crowder and tatupu.2) Leroy Hill is practicing with the first team D at WLB and DD Lewis still cant stay healthy.3) Chad Owens continues to show that despite being a smurf he might not be just a return specialist.

 
updates on edwards, Regbrown, Mjones, Hmiller, Bradley, Campbell, Pearman, Jacobs, Orlovsky, Lefors, Fincher, Ruud, Murphy.

 
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3877356...140813162&ATT=5

Another plus for Brandon Rideau is that his contract is signed.

While Braylon Edwards, the club's top draft pick, remains elsewhere as the Browns and his agent haggle over performance incentives, roster bonuses, and guaranteed money, Rideau, an undrafted free agent from Kansas, is turning heads with every move he makes.

The rangy Rideau has looked more like a seasoned pro during the first weeks of camp than someone rejected by all 32 NFL teams in April's draft. During almost every practice, No. 1 has done something special.

On Tuesday, Browns coach Romeo Crennel was asked to name a player that has grabbed his attention.

"That Rideau kid," Crennel said of the 6-foot-3, 200-pounder. "He's done a pretty good job, for a free agent."

A three-year starter for the Jayhawks, Rideau is challenging for a roster spot with the Browns, who invited him to their rookie tryout camp in April. Right away, the slender wideout made an impression with his long, gangly stride and willingness to go over the middle and make a catch in a crowd.

"He showed size and flashed some ability," Crennel said. "Enough to sign him."

The Browns and Chicago Bears were the only teams to offer a tryout to Rideau, who caught 51 passes and seven touchdowns while being named honorable mention All-Big 12 as a senior. On draft day, Rideau, who finished two receptions shy of the KU school record, plopped himself in front of a TV and waited by the phone for an NFL team to call and tell him he had been chosen.

There was only silence.

"I thought I would go in the fourth round," he said. "I guess sometimes things happen or don't happen for a reason. Can you imagine sitting around and waiting to hear your name and you're hearing so many but yours?"

The initial rejection was tough on Rideau. But while it briefly stung his pride, it never stopped him.

Rideau, who led his Beaumont, Texas, high school team to a 36-0 record and state championship as a senior, signed with the Browns on May 3. He arrived at training camp intent on proving he belonged.

"I felt like I should've been drafted," Rideau said. "But seeing as how it didn't work out that way, I got a chip on my shoulder. I need to come out and prove everybody wrong."

Rideau has benefited from Edwards' absence by getting more repetitions. It has allowed him to develop a chemistry with Cleveland's quarterbacks. During the team's practice on Saturday night at Browns Stadium, Rideau caught a 31-yard touchdown pass from fellow rookie Charlie Frye.

Crennel said coaches have a soft spot for a player like Rideau.

"He goes against the odds because he's not expected to make it," Crennel said. "He's an undrafted free agent and we brought him in here for a tryout. He was able to get a contract out of that, work and show up at practice. There are no guarantees for him, but you do pull for guys like that - guys like that who overachieve and do it the hard way."

Crennel was asked if Rideau will make it in the NFL.

"I think there is a good chance he'll play in this league," he said.

 
This is one of my all time favorite fantasy football threads.A couple of things though...1. Would it be possible to toss is the position these guys play next to their names? That would be helpful for quick searches by position...plus I don't know all of these guys (especially since you threw in the IDP guys) and get confused which brandon is the RB and which one is the WR (sometimes) 2. Could you have a spot where you list the previous ranking if someone moves up or down? There are a lot of Value Risings next to guys names but it doesn't always translates to moves up the chart. And if you don't do either of those things...that's fine too...still one of the best threads ever.

 
been out of town - still catching up on this weekend's action. ill be the first to admit i was too tentative on jacobs and jones, im sold on both. will get to the other 75 as time permits today. one note - kerry rhodes will definitely make a strong debut in the top 100 after his performance and the trade of mcgraw.

 
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3877356...140813162&ATT=5

Another plus for Brandon Rideau is that his contract is signed.

While Braylon Edwards, the club's top draft pick, remains elsewhere as the Browns and his agent haggle over performance incentives, roster bonuses, and guaranteed money, Rideau, an undrafted free agent from Kansas, is turning heads with every move he makes.

The rangy Rideau has looked more like a seasoned pro during the first weeks of camp than someone rejected by all 32 NFL teams in April's draft. During almost every practice, No. 1 has done something special.

On Tuesday, Browns coach Romeo Crennel was asked to name a player that has grabbed his attention.

"That Rideau kid," Crennel said of the 6-foot-3, 200-pounder. "He's done a pretty good job, for a free agent."

A three-year starter for the Jayhawks, Rideau is challenging for a roster spot with the Browns, who invited him to their rookie tryout camp in April. Right away, the slender wideout made an impression with his long, gangly stride and willingness to go over the middle and make a catch in a crowd.

"He showed size and flashed some ability," Crennel said. "Enough to sign him."

The Browns and Chicago Bears were the only teams to offer a tryout to Rideau, who caught 51 passes and seven touchdowns while being named honorable mention All-Big 12 as a senior. On draft day, Rideau, who finished two receptions shy of the KU school record, plopped himself in front of a TV and waited by the phone for an NFL team to call and tell him he had been chosen.

There was only silence.

"I thought I would go in the fourth round," he said. "I guess sometimes things happen or don't happen for a reason. Can you imagine sitting around and waiting to hear your name and you're hearing so many but yours?"

The initial rejection was tough on Rideau. But while it briefly stung his pride, it never stopped him.

Rideau, who led his Beaumont, Texas, high school team to a 36-0 record and state championship as a senior, signed with the Browns on May 3. He arrived at training camp intent on proving he belonged.

"I felt like I should've been drafted," Rideau said. "But seeing as how it didn't work out that way, I got a chip on my shoulder. I need to come out and prove everybody wrong."

Rideau has benefited from Edwards' absence by getting more repetitions. It has allowed him to develop a chemistry with Cleveland's quarterbacks. During the team's practice on Saturday night at Browns Stadium, Rideau caught a 31-yard touchdown pass from fellow rookie Charlie Frye.

Crennel said coaches have a soft spot for a player like Rideau.

"He goes against the odds because he's not expected to make it," Crennel said. "He's an undrafted free agent and we brought him in here for a tryout. He was able to get a contract out of that, work and show up at practice. There are no guarantees for him, but you do pull for guys like that - guys like that who overachieve and do it the hard way."

Crennel was asked if Rideau will make it in the NFL.

"I think there is a good chance he'll play in this league," he said.
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ROCK CHALK

 
Bloom, this needs changed--23. Charlie Frye- "Frye responded well in a scrimmage in Municipal Stadium."

Uh, Municipal Stadium is at the bottom of Lake Erie.

Keep an eye on NYG cornerback Corey Webster. He is competing for a starters spot against Will Allen and also as punt returner.
Last Giant draft pick to sign and late arrival to camp.I like him as a prospect, but by all reports he is currently looking lost and getting beat by WRs who won't make the team.

Currently 5th CB behind Will Allen, Will Peterson, Frank Walker and Curtis Deloatch. I expect he may move up the depth chart, but he's a long way from competing for a starting spot.
This says differentNear the bottom. It's not the original thing I read days ago, but it says almost the same thing.

Also read that "Barrett Ruud will start a game by midseason and will never leave the field". That was from a local Bucs reporter.

 
It's probably safe to remove Claridge (NE) from the Top-100. He's been IR'd and will miss the '05 season.BTW, nice thread. Great effort.

 
2. Could you have a spot where you list the previous ranking if someone moves up or down? There are a lot of Value Risings next to guys names but it doesn't always translates to moves up the chart.
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30. Chris Henry VALUE STEADY

A first round talent, Henry's stock plummeted as draft day approached because of off the field issues. Now, Henry has a good home in cincinnati, a team that wants him, and Chad Johnson is mentoring him. His future is looking better by the day.

The Latest: 8/14 caught a TD in the first preseason game. Warrick saga drags on, but i predict he wont be a bengal come september. if he wasnt on a team with chad johnson, he'd be higher on this list.
While in theory, this is a valid point, history has shown us that talented rookies can perform very well next to a top veteran WR. At least long term. I can easily see the Bengals turning into a slightly lesser version of the Colts, with CJ playing Marvin Harrison and Henry playing Reggie Wayne. Wayne didn't make a huge splash at first though.
 
30. Chris Henry VALUE STEADY

A first round talent, Henry's stock plummeted as draft day approached because of off the field issues. Now, Henry has a good home in cincinnati, a team that wants him, and Chad Johnson is mentoring him. His future is looking better by the day.

The Latest: 8/14 caught a TD in the first preseason game. Warrick saga drags on, but i predict he wont be a bengal come september. if he wasnt on a team with chad johnson, he'd be higher on this list.
While in theory, this is a valid point, history has shown us that talented rookies can perform very well next to a top veteran WR. At least long term. I can easily see the Bengals turning into a slightly lesser version of the Colts, with CJ playing Marvin Harrison and Henry playing Reggie Wayne. Wayne didn't make a huge splash at first though.
I think this can happen, but not for at least two years with housh and washington still there. even with warrick out of the way, there's a lot of solid WRs for henry to share with. I would just prefer to spend a picks in the 20s on a WR that has a real shot to be the #1 guy in his teams passing offense down the line. if you are particularly sold on henry, i could see taking him as the WR7 after reggie brown. i just like white, jackson, and bradley's opportunity better. i like their talent about equally, but i think bradley has the highest upside.
 
Roscoe Parrish out for the year, tough breaks for the bills indeed. makes him a great steal late in deep rookie drafts. snatch him up if his owner drops him, he looked legit before the injury.

 
30. Chris Henry VALUE STEADY

A first round talent, Henry's stock plummeted as draft day approached because of off the field issues. Now, Henry has a good home in cincinnati, a team that wants him, and Chad Johnson is mentoring him. His future is looking better by the day.

The Latest: 8/14 caught a TD in the first preseason game. Warrick saga drags on, but i predict he wont be a bengal come september. if he wasnt on a team with chad johnson, he'd be higher on this list.
While in theory, this is a valid point, history has shown us that talented rookies can perform very well next to a top veteran WR. At least long term. I can easily see the Bengals turning into a slightly lesser version of the Colts, with CJ playing Marvin Harrison and Henry playing Reggie Wayne. Wayne didn't make a huge splash at first though.
I think this can happen, but not for at least two years with housh and washington still there. even with warrick out of the way, there's a lot of solid WRs for henry to share with. I would just prefer to spend a picks in the 20s on a WR that has a real shot to be the #1 guy in his teams passing offense down the line. if you are particularly sold on henry, i could see taking him as the WR7 after reggie brown. i just like white, jackson, and bradley's opportunity better. i like their talent about equally, but i think bradley has the highest upside.
This is why we play the game. Brown is in the right place with good potential, Bradley is at least a year away from doing squat, while I can see Henry starting by midseason.
 
couple of quick updates:corrected parrish - reports that he was out for the year were premature - now just "several weeks"mitchell up - hayes out for a while could give him a shotrolle up- already named the starter.

 
pollack signs. top 25 updated. im real close to moving pearman into the teens.

 
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updates on jackson, henry, walter, houston, clarett, lefors, tatupu, fincher, murphy -most important piece of news is that murphy suffered a sprained MCL - really having trouble staying healthy in camp.

 
bump for some updates...clarett plummeting.burnett up on the news james might move outside - he'd be the logical guy to move inside if this happened. also moved parrish back up a little i was too harsh with his fall - i dont see this affecting his long term outlook at all.

 
:blackdot: the most informative information on the web regarding dynasty rookies. my only suggestion would be to add team and position to each player.
 
"I like our running backs -- Kevan Barlow, (rookie) Frank Gore, Maurice Hicks,'' Nolan said. "(Rookie free agent) Bobby Purify got a lot of work today, and I liked what I saw of him"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...&feed=rss.49ers

No clue whom he is just throwing the name out there
here's what i said about him in my rookie RB thread from before the draft
purify is a sturdy(6'0" 215) chainmover, and decent receiver, but SLOW (4.75), and not the most durable in college. I see him as a competent backup in the NFL on a run first team that will take the holes that he's given and hit em hard, but never break away or make something out of nothing.
 
bump for some updates...

clarett plummeting.

burnett up on the news james might move outside - he'd be the logical guy to move inside if this happened. also moved parrish back up a little i was too harsh with his fall - i dont see this affecting his long term outlook at all.
Regarding Burnett...Any DAL homers reading this thread? How is Shanle doing in camp? His strong finish last year (beating out Singleton at SLB) makes me wonder if he might be the candidate to move inside in a 3-4.

Not raining on Burnett at all, as I own both in different leagues. will be interesting to see who ends up at ILB.

Again, GREAT work, bloom.

 
bump for some updates...

clarett plummeting.

burnett up on the news james might move outside - he'd be the logical guy to move inside if this happened. also moved parrish back up a little i was too harsh with his fall - i dont see this affecting his long term outlook at all.
Regarding Burnett...Any DAL homers reading this thread? How is Shanle doing in camp? His strong finish last year (beating out Singleton at SLB) makes me wonder if he might be the candidate to move inside in a 3-4.
i can tell you that shanle is who replaced burnett in the nickel package, however like i said, parcells did it because he didnt want to overload burnett - that tells me theyll put him in the package eventually.
 
:blackdot: the most informative information on the web regarding dynasty rookies. my only suggestion would be to add team and position to each player.
will do.
Oh sure...when some guy with his real name asks you to do something...you jump at it, but when a guy who hides behind a cryptic acronym asks for pretty much the same thing days ago...there is nothing but crickets chirping. ;)

 
Burnett has quietly been the best rookie defender in camp for the Cowboys. Also FYI Canty is at RDE and "in the middle" on the FG block unit. Getting compared to "too tall" too much.If you like Shanle, for IDP, I'd say it's iffy at best. For NFL talk, Parcells prefers to sub LBers often like BB....when he has the depth to do it.

 
one quick tip in case its not obvious -i am putting the dates in front of each update - so you can just CTRL+F and find the date to see the newest updates if you dont want to scan the whole post.

 
8/21 benson falls below brown. time to lower 2005 expectations for arrington? edwards debuts with a splash. moats still looks like an explosive player. gore looks good on a few carries in his debut. williamson shines in his first game and may have earned a spot in 3 and 4 WR sets. alex smith struggling and looking ugly against first team Ds. fason and white out with ankle injuries. thurman and DJ look like theyll be the #1 playmaking LBs for their teams from day one. bradley and orton continue to be on the same page. pearman loses some momentum in his position battle. frye is becoming a fan favorite in cleveland already.

 
8/21 benson falls below brown. time to lower 2005 expectations for arrington? edwards debuts with a splash. moats still looks like an explosive player. gore looks good on a few carries in his debut. williamson shines in his first game and may have earned a spot in 3 and 4 WR sets. alex smith struggling and looking ugly against first team Ds. fason and white out with ankle injuries. thurman and DJ look like theyll be the #1 playmaking LBs for their teams from day one. bradley and orton continue to be on the same page. pearman loses some momentum in his position battle. frye is becoming a fan favorite in cleveland already.
:blackdot: Thanks for sharing your list and updating it regularly throughout the preseason. I'm in a Dynasty league (2nd season) about to have its first rookie draft and your insight has been invaluable in trying to assess the incoming college crowd and prepare for the draft. :thumbup:

 
Awesome job Bloom.I'm sure it's helped a lot of people separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to their drafts (including me).Cheers :banned:

 
Went to the Pats game against the Saints and I heard the PA announcer mention Fincher at least 6 or 7 times, but he only showed up with 1 tackle 2-assists (those two penalties as well). I don't know, it seemed like he was all over the place - just not enough so to make the tackle.Also, I liked what I saw from Odell Thurman this weekend - looks like a beast.Lastly, I agree with your assessment of Arrington. I was sitting @ #4 in a rookie draft, and bit the bullet and traded up to #1.... Hopefully a wise move.Great thread - one of the best I've seen here.

 
Went to the Pats game against the Saints and I heard the PA announcer mention Fincher at least 6 or 7 times, but he only showed up with 1 tackle 2-assists (those two penalties as well). I don't know, it seemed like he was all over the place - just not enough so to make the tackle.

Also, I liked what I saw from Odell Thurman this weekend - looks like a beast.

Lastly, I agree with your assessment of Arrington. I was sitting @ #4 in a rookie draft, and bit the bullet and traded up to #1.... Hopefully a wise move.

Great thread - one of the best I've seen here.
i think fincher will be a very good MLB down the line - however temper your enthusiasm for the short term :
"Well, you probably don't want me to tell you on tape right now," Haslett told a Boston-area reporter Thursday night. "He had two penalties today. He is just young. He is wide-eyed and thinks he is going to make every play, and it just doesn't work that way in this league."

The Saints remain high on Fincher, but his career looks like it might follow a similar progression as that of James Allen, who played sparingly in his first two seasons before blossoming into a steady starter in his third year.

"I think it will take some time with (Fincher)," Haslett said. "A kid coming from Connecticut, he is just engulfed with things right now. But he is tough. He wants to be a leader. He has good instincts and a good nose for the ball. I think, in time, he'll be a good linebacker. But right now I'm worried about him playing special teams and getting better there."
thats why he's in the 40s - ruud and crowder should start next year at the latest, and tatupu could start this year. i think the upside of all 4 is pretty close. ruud's the highest because he's got the lowest bust risk.thurman is a beast and could move into the top 20 - if you NEED an LB, taking him over project WR/RB or the 2 possible stud TEs is not insane.

Arrington is still a good long term play, but its time to lower expectations a little, with the running game looking a little stalled out and arrington seeming a bit overwhelmed in game action. i still think you have to go with the guys who project out to be true feature backs over arrington.

 
Yep, to add my thoughts on Fincher:I watched him closely in the NEP-NOS game. One particular play stood out where NE dropped back to pass and Fincher came around the right end wth RB coverage responsibilities. The RB was there, waited for Fincher to begin to rush, then ran right past him.Finch looked good spinning on a dime to try and chase down the RB after he ran right past the assignment. :lmao: He can be a good one, but he won't be starting any time soon. The game hasn't slowed down for him yet.

 
If you visit the IDP forum, you will see/read that Thomas Davis will...again...change positions. As a result of Colin Branch's year-ending knee injury, Davis has been moved back to SS. The musical chairs continue for this rookie.

 
If you visit the IDP forum, you will see/read that Thomas Davis will...again...change positions. As a result of Colin Branch's year-ending knee injury, Davis has been moved back to SS.

The musical chairs continue for this rookie.
im leaving him downgraded slightly because it doesnt change the fact that they didnt want him at safety. its going to be tough for carolina to have both davis and minter on the field at the safety spot, neither of them are good cover guys. i expect bashir or mccree to be the FS on opening day.
 
If you visit the IDP forum, you will see/read that Thomas Davis will...again...change positions.  As a result of Colin Branch's year-ending knee injury, Davis has been moved back to SS. 

The musical chairs continue for this rookie.
im leaving him downgraded slightly because it doesnt change the fact that they didnt want him at safety. its going to be tough for carolina to have both davis and minter on the field at the safety spot, neither of them are good cover guys. i expect bashir or mccree to be the FS on opening day.
Minter will not exactly be lost as the team's starting FS. He played FS for the Panthers in the late 90's and is not lacking coverage skills. More importantly, the Panthers have two top-shelf CB's (Lucas and Gamble) and an above-average nickle CB (Manning) to take much of the pass liability away from Minter and/or Davis. I think we'll see the following secondary lineups for the Panthers:Base D

CB: Lucas

FS: Minter

SS: Davis

CB: Gamble

Nickle/Pass

CB: Lucas

FS: Bashir/McCree

SS: Minter

CB: Gamble

CB: Manning

* Davis moved to LB

NOTE: I'M AFRAID TO HIT THE "ADD REPLY" BUTTON ON MY RESPONSE. ONCE MY POST IS ENTERED, I'M SURE DAVIS WILL BE MOVED TO ANOTHER POSITION. :D

 

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