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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (5 Viewers)

14 Team ..no ppr .. standard scoring

Would you drop anyone to pickup Kizer? Or leave him on waivers

Brees, TTaylor

Bell, Ajayi, Rawls, CThompson, Charles, Collins, Breida

Green, Dez, THill, KWright, AHurns

Kelce, Engram, Eifert

Tucker

Denver

 
Regarding Ertz,  12 team PPR start 1 TE i (lost Olsen) 3 weeks ago I traded Lamar Miller and a 2018 2nd for Ertz and a 2018 3rd.  I know that's not a rookie picks response but still shows how he is valued.  For the record, i still love that deal for me, even with Miller coming to life with Watson at the helm.

 
Regarding Ertz,  12 team PPR start 1 TE i (lost Olsen) 3 weeks ago I traded Lamar Miller and a 2018 2nd for Ertz and a 2018 3rd.  I know that's not a rookie picks response but still shows how he is valued.  For the record, i still love that deal for me, even with Miller coming to life with Watson at the helm.
I ended up moving T. Coleman and change (Fleener, Ekeler, 4th) for him in a pretty standard 12 Tm PPR league.  It felt about fair to me.  

 
I'm a non-contender that has Shepard. He's been a solid producer since he's come into the league and is still young, so I'm not in a hurry to trade him. That said, his stock is up ROS. What would it take for you to move him? 

 
I think Kizer should be rostered in leagues with 24+ roster spots.  He was thrown out there too soon, but could get another chance.  
I think you try to trading a guy lik Eifert for a draft pick, opening up a roster spot and pick up Kizer. Do you need more than Kelce and Engram?

same can be said for most of the other players at the end of your bench at RB or WR as well.  Grab a 3rd rounder next year, or 2nd if you can get it, to open that roster spot up. 

 
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I'm a non-contender that has Shepard. He's been a solid producer since he's come into the league and is still young, so I'm not in a hurry to trade him. That said, his stock is up ROS. What would it take for you to move him? 
He's a tough call. I'd move him for any future 1st, but not for a 2nd.

 
I think you try to trading a guy lik Eifert for a draft pick, opening up a roster spot and pick up Kizer. Do you need more than Kelce and Engram?

same can be said for most of the other players at the end of your bench at RB or WR as well.  Grab a 3rd rounder next year, or 2nd if you can get it, to open that roster spot up. 
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14 team league.. no ppr..standard scoring

Value of AJ Green... was offered

CJAnderson, Hyde, and 1st round Pick in 2018 (low 10 to 14)

for AJGreen, Eeifert

I can start 3 rb, 1 wr, 1te

Bell, Ajayi, Green, Dez, KAllen, THill, Kelce, Engram are main guys

 
14 team league.. no ppr..standard scoring

Value of AJ Green... was offered

CJAnderson, Hyde, and 1st round Pick in 2018 (low 10 to 14)

for AJGreen, Eeifert

I can start 3 rb, 1 wr, 1te

Bell, Ajayi, Green, Dez, KAllen, THill, Kelce, Engram are main guys
Bad value for Green

 
Non PPR and with those starting requirements no WR is worth Hunt or Gurley, much less a 29 year old Green and I doubt you could get Gordon either. Which is why those types of leagues went out of fashion, reminds me of the defunct standard scoring MOX leagues (may their commish burn in hell.) Honestly that seems like an overpay for Green given those rules, IMO. WR's approaching 30 and older lose nearly all their trade value in those types of leagues very quickly. Its often better to trade for those types of guys on the cheap and let them retire on your roster.

 
14 team league.. no ppr..standard scoring

Value of AJ Green... was offered

CJAnderson, Hyde, and 1st round Pick in 2018 (low 10 to 14)

for AJGreen, Eeifert

I can start 3 rb, 1 wr, 1te

Bell, Ajayi, Green, Dez, KAllen, THill, Kelce, Engram are main guys
With Eifert having another injury and missing the season I don't think he has much value at all. He seems to be injured every year for big chunks of it. Kelce and Engram are more valuable TE making Eifert very expendable, those two should be ranked ahead of Eifert next season and I don't see Eifert starting over those two for you even when healthy (whenever that is).

So I see the deal more as Green for two good RB and a 1st round pick. Not seeing you getting a much better offer than that for Green. Since you can start 3 RB I think this is a good deal. You also have other good WR to take Greens place for that one starting spot although I do think Green is the best WR you have.

 
Anyone trading McGuire or Kupp in PPR dynasty? I am very high on Kupp, but just got an offer of Crabtree for my Kupp & McGuire in PPR dynasty. I should probably take it, but my love for Kupp is holding me back. Am I insane? :D

 
Anyone trading McGuire or Kupp in PPR dynasty? I am very high on Kupp, but just got an offer of Crabtree for my Kupp & McGuire in PPR dynasty. I should probably take it, but my love for Kupp is holding me back. Am I insane? :D
I think I'd keep Kupp too. He's only played five NFL games and he looks the part. He's only going to get better, and he's a guy that could be a 7 catch a game kind of guy in a couple years. 

 
My top 10 dynasty assets moving forward.....

1. Fournette - Scoring a TD a game and the #3 RB in PPR without a good QB. What's his ceiling when they get a league average QB or better?

2. David Johnson- Long-term health is not in doubt with the injury. He's basically two players (WR and RB) in one when healthy.

3. Gurley- Goff and McVay are making life a lot easier for Gurley. Rare 3 down back.

4. Evans- Winston sucks but Evans is just the type of WR that can work with him. Just throw it up and pray for a miracle....which Evans makes happen.

5. Bell- Best back in football but off the field concerns, unpredictable landing spot next year, and injury concerns drop him down some.

6. OBJ- Best WR in football but who's his QB next year? Are the Giants going to re-sign him? He's a pain in the ### lolol.

7. Green- Safest of the top WR left.

8. Brown- Big Ben may be playing his last season.....we all know what happens when Brown plays with other QB.

9. Hunt- Seen enough to put him here. Not convinced he's a supreme talent. Good talent in supreme stable situation.

10. Zeke- Off-field concerns and his lack of elite talent starting to show.......Good not great and what trouble is he going to get into next off-season?

 
My top 10 dynasty assets moving forward.....

1. Fournette - Scoring a TD a game and the #3 RB in PPR without a good QB. What's his ceiling when they get a league average QB or better?

2. David Johnson- Long-term health is not in doubt with the injury. He's basically two players (WR and RB) in one when healthy.

3. Gurley- Goff and McVay are making life a lot easier for Gurley. Rare 3 down back.

4. Evans- Winston sucks but Evans is just the type of WR that can work with him. Just throw it up and pray for a miracle....which Evans makes happen.

5. Bell- Best back in football but off the field concerns, unpredictable landing spot next year, and injury concerns drop him down some.

6. OBJ- Best WR in football but who's his QB next year? Are the Giants going to re-sign him? He's a pain in the ### lolol.

7. Green- Safest of the top WR left.

8. Brown- Big Ben may be playing his last season.....we all know what happens when Brown plays with other QB.

9. Hunt- Seen enough to put him here. Not convinced he's a supreme talent. Good talent in supreme stable situation.

10. Zeke- Off-field concerns and his lack of elite talent starting to show.......Good not great and what trouble is he going to get into next off-season?




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Don't have any issue with your list, but the narrative that Zeke a product of his o-line is ridiculous.  He makes tons of yards on his own.

 
Don't have any issue with your list, but the narrative that Zeke a product of his o-line is ridiculous.  He makes tons of yards on his own.
Never neen a big fan and i like sticking to my guns for a little bit longer than most. He's coming back to earth imo but time will tell. 

 
My top 10 dynasty assets moving forward.....

1. Fournette - Scoring a TD a game and the #3 RB in PPR without a good QB. What's his ceiling when they get a league average QB or better?

2. David Johnson- Long-term health is not in doubt with the injury. He's basically two players (WR and RB) in one when healthy.

3. Gurley- Goff and McVay are making life a lot easier for Gurley. Rare 3 down back.

4. Evans- Winston sucks but Evans is just the type of WR that can work with him. Just throw it up and pray for a miracle....which Evans makes happen.

5. Bell- Best back in football but off the field concerns, unpredictable landing spot next year, and injury concerns drop him down some.

6. OBJ- Best WR in football but who's his QB next year? Are the Giants going to re-sign him? He's a pain in the ### lolol.

7. Green- Safest of the top WR left.

8. Brown- Big Ben may be playing his last season.....we all know what happens when Brown plays with other QB.

9. Hunt- Seen enough to put him here. Not convinced he's a supreme talent. Good talent in supreme stable situation.

10. Zeke- Off-field concerns and his lack of elite talent starting to show.......Good not great and what trouble is he going to get into next off-season?
At this point the top dynasty asset is probably the 1.01 rookie pick.

There are a lot of really good young players in the NFL, but not a lot of "wow" type of talents in their prime ala Peterson, Tomlinson, Calvin, Moss, etc. Only guy I put on that level is Julio and he's aging with a knack for nagging injuries.

You could flip your list and it almost makes just as much sense, which to me speaks to the lack of real genuine marquee talent in the under 25 age range.

 
At this point the top dynasty asset is probably the 1.01 rookie pick.

There are a lot of really good young players in the NFL, but not a lot of "wow" type of talents in their prime ala Peterson, Tomlinson, Calvin, Moss, etc. Only guy I put on that level is Julio and he's aging with a knack for nagging injuries.

You could flip your list and it almost makes just as much sense, which to me speaks to the lack of real genuine marquee talent in the under 25 age range.
The top 3 are in a tier above any WR for me but to each his own. I don't think i'd trade any of them for the 1.01 but i guess thats just me. 

 
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At this point the top dynasty asset is probably the 1.01 rookie pick.

There are a lot of really good young players in the NFL, but not a lot of "wow" type of talents in their prime ala Peterson, Tomlinson, Calvin, Moss, etc. Only guy I put on that level is Julio and he's aging with a knack for nagging injuries.

You could flip your list and it almost makes just as much sense, which to me speaks to the lack of real genuine marquee talent in the under 25 age range.
I want to agree... but there's just no such thing as a sure fire college prospect.

 
True, but NFL players have risk too. Injuries, drugs, slumps, etc.

For me, Barkley is unequivocally a better talent than Fournette, Elliott, and Gurley were in college. Doesn't ensure that he'll be a better pro, but I think his talent is greater. 

 
While Barkley looks like a very good prospect I don't see how he could be unequivocally better than Elliot or Gurley as a prospect. Some serious hyperbole in that statement.

Seems like a Johnny come lately type of perspective to me.

Elliot is under 25 years old, he just got suspended. Doesn't change the fact that he is very good. 

Gurley was a disappointment last season but he is doing really well so far this year.

 
It's all subjective of course, but to me he's a lot more impressive than they ever were in college.

I would put him up there with LT, Peterson, and Richardson as the best RB prospects of the past 15 years. The Richardson example is a cautionary tale about what can happen to even the most touted prospects, but all the same what I've seen from Barkley at PSU puts him higher in my estimation than where I would've had Fournette/Zeke/Gurley after college. He has all of their best qualities in one package, with no major weaknesses.

 
My top 10 dynasty assets moving forward.....

1. Fournette - Scoring a TD a game and the #3 RB in PPR without a good QB. What's his ceiling when they get a league average QB or better?

2. David Johnson- Long-term health is not in doubt with the injury. He's basically two players (WR and RB) in one when healthy.

3. Gurley- Goff and McVay are making life a lot easier for Gurley. Rare 3 down back.

4. Evans- Winston sucks but Evans is just the type of WR that can work with him. Just throw it up and pray for a miracle....which Evans makes happen.

5. Bell- Best back in football but off the field concerns, unpredictable landing spot next year, and injury concerns drop him down some.

6. OBJ- Best WR in football but who's his QB next year? Are the Giants going to re-sign him? He's a pain in the ### lolol.

7. Green- Safest of the top WR left.

8. Brown- Big Ben may be playing his last season.....we all know what happens when Brown plays with other QB.

9. Hunt- Seen enough to put him here. Not convinced he's a supreme talent. Good talent in supreme stable situation.

10. Zeke- Off-field concerns and his lack of elite talent starting to show.......Good not great and what trouble is he going to get into next off-season?
For me, DJ is a 1 or 2 spots too high due to his age and the ages of Palmer and Fitz. Same with Green and Brown, their trade value is already starting to decline as people look to try and move on from them before the big 30 year old age hit. Cook and the 1.01 would probably sneak up into the top 10 and push them out IMO. I'd probably have Brown, Julio, Hopkins and Green clustered together right after the top 10.

 
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1. Fournette - Scoring a TD a game and the #3 RB in PPR without a good QB. What's his ceiling when they get a league average QB or better?

10. Zeke- Off-field concerns and his lack of elite talent starting to show.......Good not great and what trouble is he going to get into next off-season?
Fournette has some work to do.  I liked him coming in and think he's a valuable asset, but he's not very instictive.  

Zeke's lack of elite talent?  Care to elaborate? 

I own both guys, but would need a lot to downgrade from Zeke to Lenny. 

 
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At this point the top dynasty asset is probably the 1.01 rookie pick.

There are a lot of really good young players in the NFL, but not a lot of "wow" type of talents in their prime ala Peterson, Tomlinson, Calvin, Moss, etc. Only guy I put on that level is Julio and he's aging with a knack for nagging injuries.

You could flip your list and it almost makes just as much sense, which to me speaks to the lack of real genuine marquee talent in the under 25 age range.
OBJ clearly belongs on that list--he's a better player than Julio.  In addition to OBJ, I think Zeke has a good shot as well.  Guys like AP and Randy were always super rare.  I don't think we're seeing any kind of dip in young positional talent.  

 
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If you simply look at the boxscores, I could see valuing Fournette that highly.  But watching him actually play--he's got some work to do.  I liked him coming in and think he's a valuable asset, but he's not very instictive.  

Zeke's lack of elite talent?  Care to elaborate? 

I own both guys, but would need a lot to downgrade from Zeke to Lenny. 
I would also not be salivating at the thought of Fournette getting a league average QB. Worse thing that could happen to the Jags right now is that they are winning games and will be thinking of resigning Bortles after picking up his 5th year option this past season. That will kill them long term. Even if they make the right move and jettison him at the end of the year, there's no guarantee his replacement will be much better. They are going to be like the Texans the last few years, stuck with a great defense, a solid running game but no QB and no way to get one without gambling and/or greatly overpaying.

 
I would also not be salivating at the thought of Fournette getting a league average QB. Worse thing that could happen to the Jags right now is that they are winning games and will be thinking of resigning Bortles after picking up his 5th year option this past season. That will kill them long term. Even if they make the right move and jettison him at the end of the year, there's no guarantee his replacement will be much better. They are going to be like the Texans the last few years, stuck with a great defense, a solid running game but no QB and no way to get one without gambling and/or greatly overpaying.
While I agree the Jaguars have put themselves in Qb purgatory by having a talented improving defense and now Fournette being the center of their offense and disguising as well as they can how bad Bortles is, that was pretty much in the bag when they signed Coughlin who influenced the decision to draft Fournette so high.

Dallas got lucky when they landed Dak after going the same route with Elliot or they might be in the same situation with a worse defense.

 
If you simply look at the boxscores, I could see valuing Fournette that highly (thanks to one effeciency boosting run).  But watching him actually play--he's got some work to do.  I liked him coming in and think he's a valuable asset, but he's not very instictive.  

Zeke's lack of elite talent?  Care to elaborate? 

I own both guys, but would need a lot to downgrade from Zeke to Lenny. 
Fournette is playing against a lot of stacked DL that are beghing Bortles to throw. He is situation isnt even close to as good a Zeke's. Dak is an elite QB and Bortles is an elitely bad QB. Thats before we even start looking at OL play. I wouldn't trade Fournette for any single player in the league. 

 
Its not hard for the jags to get a better QB than Bortles. Even if he's not league average. Anybody that makes defenses play even a little differently will help. He's the #3 RB in the league behind Hunt and Gurley. Lol Gurley literally crumbled when faced with the same attention. Fournette will absolutely see a better situation during the next 5 years. It's almost impossible for him not too.....Bortles is that bad. 

 
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Fournette is playing against a lot of stacked DL that are beghing Bortles to throw. He is situation isnt even close to as good a Zeke's. Dak is an elite QB and Bortles is an elitely bad QB. Thats before we even start looking at OL play. I wouldn't trade Fournette for any single player in the league. 
Their offensive line is all-world on paper, but not in practice.  They're not giving him much to work with.  Zeke isn't playing as well as he did last season, but he'll work through it.  Fournette wouldn't be doing anything more than Zeke has in his shoes.  Fournette has one career game with a YPC over 4. Remove one busted play, and that count is zero.  He's essentially what Melvin Gordon was last season--low effeciency, unsustainable goal line touches, and pretty steady targets.  

I'm not trying to bash Fournette--I used the 1.01 on him with no regrets.  I just don't think he's shown anything to make him the top overall asset.  

 
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Its not hard for the jags to get a better QB than Bortles. Even if he's not leagie average. Anybody that makes defenses play even a little differently will help. He's the #3 RB in the league behind Hunt and Gurley. Lol Gurley literally crumbled ehen faced with the same attention. Fournette will absolutely see a better situation during the next 5 years. It's almost impossible for him not too.....Bortles is that bad. 
Tell that to MJD. It doesn't mean that Fournette won't be a fantasy stud, but historically, thinking that a franchise can just find a halfway decent QB is a bad bet. Especially one as poorly run as the Jaguars over the years. It's taken the Texans 15 years (and that book is not totally written.) The Browns are still looking after almost 2 decades.

 
Concept Coop said:
Their offensive line is all-world on paper, but not in practice.  They're not giving him much to work with.  Zeke isn't playing as well as he did last season, but he'll work through it.  Fournette wouldn't be doing anything more than Zeke has in his shoes.  Fournette has one career game with a YPC over 4. Remove one busted play, and that count is zero.  He's essentially what Melvin Gordon was last season--low effeciency, unsustainable goal line touches, and pretty steady targets.  

I'm not trying to bash Fournette--I used the 1.01 on him with no regrets.  I just don't think he's shown anything to make him the top overall asset.  
Zeke isn't playing as well because he's not a special talent. Fournette is making wine out of water. We'll just go back and forth because we have such varying opinions on both. Time will tell i guess but im quite happy not owning any Zeke shares. I see him as a depreciating asset. 

 
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Thougths on McCaffrey?  I don't like what I've seen so far, personally.  The floor is clearly there, but he doesn't look to be the runner we envisioned when talking about his ceiling.  

 
Thougths on McCaffrey?  I don't like what I've seen so far, personally.  The floor is clearly there, but he doesn't look to be the runner we envisioned when talking about his ceiling.  
My opinion of him hasn't changed too much. He reminds me of Reggie Bush.

Bush did have 3 seasons of close to RB 12 numbers in standard scoring leagues. McCaffrey isn't on pace for that in standard format so far this year, but I would expect his rushing numbers to improve at some point this year.

He is a lot more valuable in PPR format than standard. Maybe not justifying where some folks drafted him, but even with what he has done so far he is on pace to finish as RB 11 last year in PPR, so he is living up to being a tier one prospect where I ranked him.

 
My opinion of him hasn't changed too much. He reminds me of Reggie Bush.

Bush did have 3 seasons of close to RB 12 numbers in standard scoring leagues. McCaffrey isn't on pace for that in standard format so far this year, but I would expect his rushing numbers to improve at some point this year.

He is a lot more valuable in PPR format than standard. Maybe not justifying where some folks drafted him, but even with what he has done so far he is on pace to finish as RB 11 last year in PPR, so he is living up to being a tier one prospect where I ranked him.
Yeah--I think that's fair.  I like a slower Bush comp.  I wouldn't say my opinion has changed much, either--I never really bought into the 3-down back talk.  

The biggest concern is that the snaps will decrease eventually, if the rushing efficiency doesn't increase.  He'll have more competition than ol' Jon, likely next season.

I think I'm about where you're at with him.  Solid RB2 in PPR formats, who has an argument for being a dynasty RB1, due to age.  

 
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Yeah--I think that's fair.  I like a slower Bush comp.  I wouldn't say my opinion has changed much, either--I never really bought into the 3-down back talk.  

The biggest concern is that the snaps will decrease eventually, if the rushing efficiency doesn't increase.  He'll have more competition than ol' John, likely next season.

I think I'm about you're at with him.  Solid RB2 in PPR formats, who has an argument for being a dynasty RB1, due to age.  
For the way I do my rankings for rookies, it is meant to be the upside that I think they can achieve in their first 3 seasons in the league. 

It generally takes WR and TE longer than RB to reach that potential, so I try to leave that alone in regards to them until their 3rd season. By the 3rd season we usually know how good they are, although there are some exceptions, Sammy Watkins and Keenan Allen are a couple examples that come to mind for me there, due to their injuries creating an incomplete sample size to work with even after 3 seasons.

For the RBs I am more willing to adjust sooner than 3 seasons. I think we can find out who they are sooner than the other positions.

Main change I would make is I would have Kareem Hunt ahead of McCaffrey and Mixon and a tier one prospect now. I had him as a tier two RB and 5th overall post NFL draft. I was working from the assumption that Spencer Ware would delay Hunts impact for at least part of this season when making that ranking. That has changed.

Aaron Jones would move from tier three to tier two for me as another change I would make at this point.

I think I had Curtis Samuel too high (tier two) as he hasn't shown anything yet. Not sure I would drop him to tier 3 yet (too early for that I think) but I would move him down in my tier two list now.

 
Tell that to MJD. It doesn't mean that Fournette won't be a fantasy stud, but historically, thinking that a franchise can just find a halfway decent QB is a bad bet. Especially one as poorly run as the Jaguars over the years. It's taken the Texans 15 years (and that book is not totally written.) The Browns are still looking after almost 2 decades.
Just so happens on my ride in this morning that Mike & Mike were discussing the Jaguars and seemed to be convinced that Bortles would be gone next year (no mention of how the 5th year option was picked up, although they could still cut Bortles prior to the start of the new year.) They seemed convinced that Jag's should make a run at Cousin's (seems destined to either resign or end up in San Fran, IMO) or trade for one of Eli :yucky:  or Alex Smith.

 
Just so happens on my ride in this morning that Mike & Mike were discussing the Jaguars and seemed to be convinced that Bortles would be gone next year (no mention of how the 5th year option was picked up, although they could still cut Bortles prior to the start of the new year.) They seemed convinced that Jag's should make a run at Cousin's (seems destined to either resign or end up in San Fran, IMO) or trade for one of Eli :yucky:  or Alex Smith.
Smith in Jax would be a solid landing spot

 
Zeke isn't playing as well because he's not a special talent. Fournette is making wine out of water. We'll just go back and forth because we have such varying opinions on both. Time will tell i guess but im quite happy not owning any Zeke shares. I see him as a depreciating asset. 
I am a huge Fournette fan but it's worth noting he has eclipsed 4ypc in exactly 1 game this season.  A lot of that wine is mere volume.  Again I like the talent but let's not get carried away with what he's done so far.

 
Just so happens on my ride in this morning that Mike & Mike were discussing the Jaguars and seemed to be convinced that Bortles would be gone next year (no mention of how the 5th year option was picked up, although they could still cut Bortles prior to the start of the new year.) They seemed convinced that Jag's should make a run at Cousin's (seems destined to either resign or end up in San Fran, IMO) or trade for one of Eli :yucky:  or Alex Smith.
Yep there's 3 right there they need to do whatever they can to try and sign one of them. Brees is a FA too I think. ......

 
I don't think it is very likely for a team to let a QB playing at a high level go, espcially if they don't have another good QB waiting in the wings.

I will eat my hat if the Saints let Brees walk.

I think Smith has played well enough that they should keep him as well. But that seems more plausible than Brees at least.

Some pretty wild conjecture going on here to support Fournette seeing a QB upgrade next year.

 
I don't think it is very likely for a team to let a QB playing at a high level go, espcially if they don't have another good QB waiting in the wings.

I will eat my hat if the Saints let Brees walk.

I think Smith has played well enough that they should keep him as well. But that seems more plausible than Brees at least.

Some pretty wild conjecture going on here to support Fournette seeing a QB upgrade next year.
They don't have a choice.  He's a FA and they can't FT him.  It's all about where he wants to sign.

 
Pwingles said:
Smith in Jax would be a solid landing spot
Smith is signed for one more year at $14.6MM - very reasonable for how he's playing. If he continues to play well and the Chiefs advance far I don't see how they trade or release him. They'd still get three more years of Mahomes on his rookie contract after 2018.

 
Biabreakable said:
My opinion of him hasn't changed too much. He reminds me of Reggie Bush.
My comparison since the get go. It's what he is.

Biabreakable said:
I will eat my hat if the Saints let Brees walk.
I could see it happening...or a 1 year deal.  The Brees era has run it's course in N.O. They need to grab a new QB if they get a shot at one this draft.

 
Biabreakable said:
I don't think it is very likely for a team to let a QB playing at a high level go, espcially if they don't have another good QB waiting in the wings.

I will eat my hat if the Saints let Brees walk.

I think Smith has played well enough that they should keep him as well. But that seems more plausible than Brees at least.

Some pretty wild conjecture going on here to support Fournette seeing a QB upgrade next year.
:yes:  Whole lot of dreamers in here.

 
EBF said:
True, but NFL players have risk too. Injuries, drugs, slumps, etc.

For me, Barkley is unequivocally a better talent than Fournette, Elliott, and Gurley were in college. Doesn't ensure that he'll be a better pro, but I think his talent is greater. 
Interesting, but how much of a premium are Fournette's this year points?  And the fact that he's proven it vs. a guy never playing a snap?  Richardson once got these same kudos that Barkley got after all...

 

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