Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (17 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m not shopping the 1.1 in the only league I have it and I haven’t gotten any offers either (not a very active FFPC league though). I made some rebuild trades before last season that got me the 1.1 and knowing there’s a bona fide rookie that everyone agrees is the slam dunk 1.1 , it makes me excited to make that pick and have that kind of player to build my team around for the next 5+ years. You only get a shot at the 1.1 once in a while so I wanna take it and not trade it away. Just more for the fun of the hobby and building my team, and not wooried about pure value, sell high kid of stuff. This ain’t the stock market for me. It’s fairy tale football where I enjoy getting players I covet.

I agree with this take.

It’s why I’m trying to trade 2024 draft picks for a 2nd QB in the league I was able to buy the 1.01 surprisingly low.

I want to take Bijan enough to pay the top half of my 2024 draft to let me take him, whether that’s getting 1.02 or 1.03 to take a rookie, deal for Love, or maybe deal for a lesser but viable option (at less cost).

But like you, I just want Bijan on my team. I think he’s gonna be really fun to roster - and more importantly, a fun player to watch play football.

 

[ghostguy123]

A rookie RB going round 1 of a superflex startup is pretty remarkable. So in non superflex that would put him at pick 1.03. A rookie, at pick 1.03.

I agree with it and historically it's reasonable for an incoming RB of his caliber. I've only been playing dynasty a little over 10 years but and I consider him basically the 4th extremely coveted, first round startup type RB to enter the league in that time, and really got to go back 11 years for one of them.

Barkley and Elliot were two of them and by most measures if you took one of them at 1.3 of a startup I think you'd have done ok. Trent was the other one and obvioiusly a major disappointment but even with him I did a startup after his rookie season and he went 1.3 in that startup.

I don't put Gurley in this group but it was close. But with him having the ACL tear I don't think he was thought as much of a sure thing. I did two startups the year he came out and took him at 2.2 and 2.5, so a little off a first round caliber.

But to me, long story short, I don't see Bijan as 1.3 risky.

Risky? Maybe not.
However, if he's valued at that, I'm trading him.

 

[menobrown]

However, if he's valued at that, I'm trading him.

And on my end while I've never been a big fan of picking at top of a startup on notion in theory the value of anyone you pick can likely only go one direction he's one of 3 players I'd covet and likely not try and trade out or need to be blown over to do.

I'd assume JJ and Chase are your top two ranked players. If that's the case who is your third? Lamb? I really struggle with putting anyone over Bijan at 3 myself in non-SF and for sure no RB's. A lot of really good players but anytime I get to thinking 1.3 is to high for Bijan I can't ever come up with anyone I would put over him.

 

[ghostguy123]

However, if he's valued at that, I'm trading him.

And on my end while I've never been a big fan of picking at top of a startup on notion in theory the value of anyone you pick can likely only go one direction he's one of 3 players I'd covet and likely not try and trade out or need to be blown over to do.

I'd assume JJ and Chase are your top two ranked players. If that's the case who is your third? Lamb? I really struggle with putting anyone over Bijan at 3 myself in non-SF and for sure no RB's. A lot of really good players but anytime I get to thinking 1.3 is to high for Bijan I can't ever come up with anyone I would put over him.

Well, if I had pick #3 of a startup, I'd be looking to trade it.
If I had pick #1 of a rookie draft, I'd be looking to trade it.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I’m not shopping the 1.1 in the only league I have it and I haven’t gotten any offers either (not a very active FFPC league though). I made some rebuild trades before last season that got me the 1.1 and knowing there’s a bona fide rookie that everyone agrees is the slam dunk 1.1 , it makes me excited to make that pick and have that kind of player to build my team around for the next 5+ years. You only get a shot at the 1.1 once in a while so I wanna take it and not trade it away. Just more for the fun of the hobby and building my team, and not wooried about pure value, sell high kid of stuff. This ain’t the stock market for me. It’s fairy tale football where I enjoy getting players I covet.

I agree with this take.

It’s why I’m trying to trade 2024 draft picks for a 2nd QB in the league I was able to buy the 1.01 surprisingly low.

I want to take Bijan enough to pay the top half of my 2024 draft to let me take him, whether that’s getting 1.02 or 1.03 to take a rookie, deal for Love, or maybe deal for a lesser but viable option (at less cost).

But like you, I just want Bijan on my team. I think he’s gonna be really fun to foster - and more importantly, a fun player to watch play football.

If this is the league I THINK you're talking about, it might behoove you to keep your 2024 assets. If, for whatever reason, several of your long list of 2023 1st round picks do not work out, you'll be without a reasonable shot at competing for 2 years. IMO, I'd prefer to come off some of those 23 mid to low 1sts instead. Mitigating risk, and all...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m not shopping the 1.1 in the only league I have it and I haven’t gotten any offers either (not a very active FFPC league though). I made some rebuild trades before last season that got me the 1.1 and knowing there’s a bona fide rookie that everyone agrees is the slam dunk 1.1 , it makes me excited to make that pick and have that kind of player to build my team around for the next 5+ years. You only get a shot at the 1.1 once in a while so I wanna take it and not trade it away. Just more for the fun of the hobby and building my team, and not wooried about pure value, sell high kid of stuff. This ain’t the stock market for me. It’s fairy tale football where I enjoy getting players I covet.

I agree with this take.

It’s why I’m trying to trade 2024 draft picks for a 2nd QB in the league I was able to buy the 1.01 surprisingly low.

I want to take Bijan enough to pay the top half of my 2024 draft to let me take him, whether that’s getting 1.02 or 1.03 to take a rookie, deal for Love, or maybe deal for a lesser but viable option (at less cost).

But like you, I just want Bijan on my team. I think he’s gonna be really fun to foster - and more importantly, a fun player to watch play football.

If this is the league I THINK you're talking about, it might behoove you to keep your 2024 assets. If, for whatever reason, several of your long list of 2023 1st round picks do not work out, you'll be without a reasonable shot at competing for 2 years. IMO, I'd prefer to come off some of those 23 mid to low 1sts instead. Mitigating risk, and all...

Different league. In the league with 6x 1sts, I have 1-4, and will be taking Bijan and a couple QBs, then maybe the WR1 (also have 8, 10, & 13, so lots of RB left to take later)

This league is a 16-team IDP PPR SF. Fields is my lone QB, and I dealt Swift (in part) for the 1.01, so I could use a RB, but I also need a QB. If I can deal for a QB using my ‘24 draft capital I’ll be a serious contender. I was 6th in points last year despite losing Lance & Hall to injuries early. So adding a 2nd QB & Bijan might be a league-winning “go for it” move.

It’s likely my 2024 1st will be in the 8-12 range without making a move, so I’m not giving away too too much. No way I’d get MH Jr, for example.

 

[Birdie048]

However, if he's valued at that, I'm trading him.

And on my end while I've never been a big fan of picking at top of a startup on notion in theory the value of anyone you pick can likely only go one direction he's one of 3 players I'd covet and likely not try and trade out or need to be blown over to do.

I'd assume JJ and Chase are your top two ranked players. If that's the case who is your third? Lamb? I really struggle with putting anyone over Bijan at 3 myself in non-SF and for sure no RB's. A lot of really good players but anytime I get to thinking 1.3 is to high for Bijan I can't ever come up with anyone I would put over him.

Well, if I had pick #3 of a startup, I'd be looking to trade it.
If I had pick #1 of a rookie draft, I'd be looking to trade it.

And what ROI are you expecting? And what is the likelihood of getting an offer in that realm?
I hold 1.01 (and 3 other 1sts), but not sure what it would take for me to part with the 1.01

Previously posted offer I received:

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

12 Team PPR 1QB ... Full Rebuild
This is not asking for advice on a Trade offer, but simply to review & showing an example of an offer for my 1.01

I GET: Phil Miles Sanders RB, TB Chris Godwin WR, ATL Kyle Pitts TE, 1.06 and 2024 1st (likely late - won last year & lost semi this year)
I GIVE UP: 1.01, 2.01, JAX Calvin Ridley WR

Rejected the offer for the following reasons:
PHIL RB Sanders (26 yo) is FA and with <50% return to Philly = future uncertain or RBBC
TB WR Godwin needs QB and potential new Offense / Evans cap cut/trade means more double coverage for Godwin
ATL TE K Pitts recovering MCL & needs QB / OC wants to run more (still young so valuable)
1.06 = possible nice WR, but clearly not generational RB Bjan caliber
2024 1st is the best part of the deal ...

Calcs show it was a good deal ... but uncertainty is part of the game ... I don't like 3 Rolls of the Dice for the ROI

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I’m not shopping the 1.1 in the only league I have it and I haven’t gotten any offers either (not a very active FFPC league though). I made some rebuild trades before last season that got me the 1.1 and knowing there’s a bona fide rookie that everyone agrees is the slam dunk 1.1 , it makes me excited to make that pick and have that kind of player to build my team around for the next 5+ years. You only get a shot at the 1.1 once in a while so I wanna take it and not trade it away. Just more for the fun of the hobby and building my team, and not wooried about pure value, sell high kid of stuff. This ain’t the stock market for me. It’s fairy tale football where I enjoy getting players I covet.

I agree with this take.

It’s why I’m trying to trade 2024 draft picks for a 2nd QB in the league I was able to buy the 1.01 surprisingly low.

I want to take Bijan enough to pay the top half of my 2024 draft to let me take him, whether that’s getting 1.02 or 1.03 to take a rookie, deal for Love, or maybe deal for a lesser but viable option (at less cost).

But like you, I just want Bijan on my team. I think he’s gonna be really fun to foster - and more importantly, a fun player to watch play football.

If this is the league I THINK you're talking about, it might behoove you to keep your 2024 assets. If, for whatever reason, several of your long list of 2023 1st round picks do not work out, you'll be without a reasonable shot at competing for 2 years. IMO, I'd prefer to come off some of those 23 mid to low 1sts instead. Mitigating risk, and all...

Different league. In the league with 6x 1sts, I have 1-4, and will be taking Bijan and a couple QBs, then maybe the WR1 (also have 8, 10, & 13, so lots of RB left to take later)

This league is a 16-team IDP PPR SF. Fields is my lone QB, and I dealt Swift (in part) for the 1.01, so I could use a RB, but I also need a QB. If I can deal for a QB using my ‘24 draft capital I’ll be a serious contender. I was 6th in points last year despite losing Lance & Hall to injuries early. So adding a 2nd QB & Bijan might be a league-winning “go for it” move.

It’s likely my 2024 1st will be in the 8-12 range without making a move, so I’m not giving away too too much. No way I’d get MH Jr, for example.

Fair. Get it while you're close to contention then!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fair. Get it while you're close to contention then!

Right now Love is the only target I know the owner is willing to deal. No idea for how much.

Teams 1.02 & 1.03 haven’t renewed and aren’t responding to DMs at the moment (or reading them, for that matter).

Not everyone is as active in February as we are on FBG, it seems.

 

[rockaction]

Calcs show it was a good deal ... but uncertainty is part of the game ... I don't like 3 Rolls of the Dice for the ROI

I wouldn't have taken that deal, either. 1.01 and 2.01 for a package that included Sanders and Godwin? No thanks.

 

[ghostguy123]

However, if he's valued at that, I'm trading him.

And on my end while I've never been a big fan of picking at top of a startup on notion in theory the value of anyone you pick can likely only go one direction he's one of 3 players I'd covet and likely not try and trade out or need to be blown over to do.

I'd assume JJ and Chase are your top two ranked players. If that's the case who is your third? Lamb? I really struggle with putting anyone over Bijan at 3 myself in non-SF and for sure no RB's. A lot of really good players but anytime I get to thinking 1.3 is to high for Bijan I can't ever come up with anyone I would put over him.

Well, if I had pick #3 of a startup, I'd be looking to trade it.
If I had pick #1 of a rookie draft, I'd be looking to trade it.

And what ROI are you expecting? And what is the likelihood of getting an offer in that realm?
I hold 1.01 (and 3 other 1sts), but not sure what it would take for me to part with the 1.01

Previously posted offer I received:

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

12 Team PPR 1QB ... Full Rebuild
This is not asking for advice on a Trade offer, but simply to review & showing an example of an offer for my 1.01

I GET: Phil Miles Sanders RB, TB Chris Godwin WR, ATL Kyle Pitts TE, 1.06 and 2024 1st (likely late - won last year & lost semi this year)
I GIVE UP: 1.01, 2.01, JAX Calvin Ridley WR

Rejected the offer for the following reasons:
PHIL RB Sanders (26 yo) is FA and with <50% return to Philly = future uncertain or RBBC
TB WR Godwin needs QB and potential new Offense / Evans cap cut/trade means more double coverage for Godwin
ATL TE K Pitts recovering MCL & needs QB / OC wants to run more (still young so valuable)
1.06 = possible nice WR, but clearly not generational RB Bjan caliber
2024 1st is the best part of the deal ...

Calcs show it was a good deal ... but uncertainty is part of the game ... I don't like 3 Rolls of the Dice for the ROI

I don't know what I would expect for rookie pick 1.01, but I'm sure as heck gonna find out what I can get.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Lost the Bijan sweepstakes in our lottery system. Have lots of early picks however. What do we think is fair value to trade Bijan (1.01) for 2023 picks?

 

[ghostguy123]

Lost the Bijan sweepstakes in our lottery system. Have lots of early picks however. What do we think is fair value to trade Bijan (1.01) for 2023 picks?

Good question. If you had pick 1, would you trade it for picks 2 and 3? NON superflex

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lost the Bijan sweepstakes in our lottery system. Have lots of early picks however. What do we think is fair value to trade Bijan (1.01) for 2023 picks?

Good question. If you had pick 1, would you trade it for picks 2 and 3? NON superflex

Out of curiosity I ran it through my favorite trade calc two ways:
1. 1.01 for 1.02 + 1.03
Result: 214.42 - 290.98
Advantage: picks 2+3

2. Bijan for Gibbs+JSN
Result: 242.87 - 282.37
Advantage: Gibbs+JSN, but it’s closer

Both scenarios favor the 2 picks or players.

I’m not surprised by this, but I’m not sure teams holding 1.01 will agree. There’s a buzz around Bijan that we haven’t seen since Saquan.

Logically speaking, everyone with 1.01 should probably trade it for 1.02 + 1.03 if they can.

But I doubt many will. Obviously not every league will have an owner with 2+3 to trade, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.

 

[joey]

Lost the Bijan sweepstakes in our lottery system. Have lots of early picks however. What do we think is fair value to trade Bijan (1.01) for 2023 picks?

Good question. If you had pick 1, would you trade it for picks 2 and 3? NON superflex

Out of curiosity I ran it through my favorite trade calc two ways:
1. 1.01 for 1.02 + 1.03
Result: 214.42 - 290.98
Advantage: picks 2+3

2. Bijan for Gibbs+JSN
Result: 242.87 - 282.37
Advantage: Gibbs+JSN, but it’s closer

Both scenarios favor the 2 picks or players.

I’m not surprised by this, but I’m not sure teams holding 1.01 will agree. There’s a buzz around Bijan that we haven’t seen since Saquan.

Logically speaking, everyone with 1.01 should probably trade it for 1.02 + 1.03 if they can.

But I doubt many will. Obviously not every league will have an owner with 2+3 to trade, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.

Agreed. Bijan is in a tier by himself so I keep the 1.1 in this case.
I guess if you were super high on Gibbs and one of the “big 3“ rookie WRs, then you could do that trade. Also, perhaps this trade makes more sense after the NFL draft, where you know the landing spots for each of the 3 players.

 

[menobrown]

Lost the Bijan sweepstakes in our lottery system. Have lots of early picks however. What do we think is fair value to trade Bijan (1.01) for 2023 picks?

Good question. If you had pick 1, would you trade it for picks 2 and 3? NON superflex

No not right now but put me on the record as saying I got Gibbs closer in value to 1.1 then I got 1.3 close in value to 1.2.

I would give up 3 and 4 for 1 though.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Lost the Bijan sweepstakes in our lottery system. Have lots of early picks however. What do we think is fair value to trade Bijan (1.01) for 2023 picks?

Good question. If you had pick 1, would you trade it for picks 2 and 3? NON superflex

I would not trade for picks 2 and 3. That is an exact scenario I could propose to the other team. but he said he was almost untouchable. My plan was to make an over the top offer pick 2 and 3 and 7 or something and see how untouchable.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Lost the Bijan sweepstakes in our lottery system. Have lots of early picks however. What do we think is fair value to trade Bijan (1.01) for 2023 picks?

Good question. If you had pick 1, would you trade it for picks 2 and 3? NON superflex

No not right now but put me on the record as saying I got Gibbs closer in value to 1.1 then I got 1.3 close in value to 1.2.

I would give up 3 and 4 for 1 though.

So you seem pretty high on Gibbs then. I am hoping he goes to a great spot and he is either on my team or traded in a package for Bijan.

 

[menobrown]

So you seem pretty high on Gibbs then. I am hoping he goes to a great spot and he is either on my team or traded in a package for Bijan

Yes on Gibbs who I believe belongs in his own tier after Bijan.

I did offer 1.2/1.11 in a league for 1.1 however so I'm of course acknowledging that Bijan is the better prospect worth paying up to obtain. But for now I'd hold that 1.3 and hope momentum accelerates for that pick, though I personally am not loving a third player right now or put another way feel great using 1.3 on anyone based on what I know right now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would not trade for picks 2 and 3. That is an exact scenario I could propose to the other team. but he said he was almost untouchable. My plan was to make an over the top offer pick 2 and 3 and 7 or something and see how untouchable.

That aligns with my supposition above. Team 1.01 absolutely should make that trade - 2+3 is already a bit “over the top” (by ~27% on my favorite calc) but to 1.01 it’s moving off of a “generational player” for 2 pretty good players.

Adding 1.07 - wow. Comes out roughly 400 - 224, (44%!)

In that scenario I’d have to deeply question 1. Why your prospective partner would possibly reject that, and 2. Why you would possibly offer that much?

I love Bijan like the child I never had, but if someone offered me 1.02, 1.03 & 1.07 I’d smash accept. I’d probably do it even if it were 2024 picks.

 

[Birdie048]

I would not trade for picks 2 and 3. That is an exact scenario I could propose to the other team. but he said he was almost untouchable. My plan was to make an over the top offer pick 2 and 3 and 7 or something and see how untouchable.

That aligns with my supposition above. Team 1.01 absolutely should make that trade - 2+3 is already a bit “over the top” (by ~27% on my favorite calc) but to 1.01 it’s moving off of a “generational player” for 2 pretty good players.

Adding 1.07 - wow. Comes out roughly 400 - 224, (44%!)

In that scenario I’d have to deeply question 1. Why your prospective partner would possibly reject that, and 2. Why you would possibly offer that much?

I love Bijan like the child I never had, but if someone offered me 1.02, 1.03 & 1.07 I’d smash accept. I’d probably do it even if it were 2024 picks.

I would have to seriously consider 1.02, 1.03 & 1.07 ... Smash Accept? Not always, but yeah, I would probable take it... the only thing I would ask is to move his 2024 1st in place of 1.07

 

[smbkrypt24]

I would not trade for picks 2 and 3. That is an exact scenario I could propose to the other team. but he said he was almost untouchable. My plan was to make an over the top offer pick 2 and 3 and 7 or something and see how untouchable.

That aligns with my supposition above. Team 1.01 absolutely should make that trade - 2+3 is already a bit “over the top” (by ~27% on my favorite calc) but to 1.01 it’s moving off of a “generational player” for 2 pretty good players.

Adding 1.07 - wow. Comes out roughly 400 - 224, (44%!)

In that scenario I’d have to deeply question 1. Why your prospective partner would possibly reject that, and 2. Why you would possibly offer that much?

I love Bijan like the child I never had, but if someone offered me 1.02, 1.03 & 1.07 I’d smash accept. I’d probably do it even if it were 2024 picks.

It’s a short bench league. It would still leave me with 1.01, 1.04, 1.05.
Really if it’s declined I suppose I can just take a bunch of dart throws and hope the other players turn out.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would not trade for picks 2 and 3. That is an exact scenario I could propose to the other team. but he said he was almost untouchable. My plan was to make an over the top offer pick 2 and 3 and 7 or something and see how untouchable.

That aligns with my supposition above. Team 1.01 absolutely should make that trade - 2+3 is already a bit “over the top” (by ~27% on my favorite calc) but to 1.01 it’s moving off of a “generational player” for 2 pretty good players.

Adding 1.07 - wow. Comes out roughly 400 - 224, (44%!)

In that scenario I’d have to deeply question 1. Why your prospective partner would possibly reject that, and 2. Why you would possibly offer that much?

I love Bijan like the child I never had, but if someone offered me 1.02, 1.03 & 1.07 I’d smash accept. I’d probably do it even if it were 2024 picks.

I would have to seriously consider 1.02, 1.03 & 1.07 ... Smash Accept? Not always, but yeah, I would probable take it... the only thing I would ask is to move his 2024 1st in place of 1.07

Well, my context is a complete rebuild, so turning the 1.01 into 1.02, 1.03, & 1.07 would make a lot of sense.

That said, I have picks 1-4, 8, and 10, so it would actually have to be 2024 capital - which makes it less of a smash, since less value a year+ out.

 

[BigAl21]

FFPC 1QB
Feel like one of my teams is Mahomes away from being great. Currently have Herbert and was disappointed with him this past year. Owner posted that he’d move Mahomes but it would take quite a bit. 1.04 and wasting a roster spot before cut down seem worth it to most here? Don’t even know if he’d accept but done even know if I should offer with Herbert as my current guy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC 1QB
Feel like one of my teams is Mahomes away from being great. Currently have Herbert and was disappointed with him this past year. Owner posted that he’d move Mahomes but it would take quite a bit. 1.04 and wasting a roster spot before cut down seem worth it to most here? Don’t even know if he’d accept but done even know if I should offer with Herbert as my current guy.

If it were me, I’d stand pat and see what the Chargers do in the draft/FA.

Seems like they’re likely to acquire/draft talent at TE / WR.

I sold Mahomes for the equivalent of 5x 1sts in early 2021. But that was part of a move to completely rebuild.

If you’re as close as you believe (e.g. a Mahomes away) then you’re probably there with Herbert too.

This sounds like a February idea. If it still sounds like a good idea in May, make some offers. Hard to see how you’ll be a Mahomes away after paying for a Mahomes though. It’s going to take a lot to get him, putting a dent in your roster.

 

[BigAl21]

FFPC 1QB
Feel like one of my teams is Mahomes away from being great. Currently have Herbert and was disappointed with him this past year. Owner posted that he’d move Mahomes but it would take quite a bit. 1.04 and wasting a roster spot before cut down seem worth it to most here? Don’t even know if he’d accept but done even know if I should offer with Herbert as my current guy.

If it were me, I’d stand pat and see what the Chargers do in the draft/FA.

Seems like they’re likely to acquire/draft talent at TE / WR.

I sold Mahomes for the equivalent of 5x 1sts in early 2021. But that was part of a move to completely rebuild.

If you’re as close as you believe (e.g. a Mahomes away) then you’re probably there with Herbert too.

This sounds like a February idea. If it still sounds like a good idea in May, make some offers. Hard to see how you’ll be a Mahomes away after paying for a Mahomes though. It’s going to take a lot to get him, putting a dent in your roster.

Was that the equivalent of 5 1st in SF or 1 QB?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC 1QB
Feel like one of my teams is Mahomes away from being great. Currently have Herbert and was disappointed with him this past year. Owner posted that he’d move Mahomes but it would take quite a bit. 1.04 and wasting a roster spot before cut down seem worth it to most here? Don’t even know if he’d accept but done even know if I should offer with Herbert as my current guy.

If it were me, I’d stand pat and see what the Chargers do in the draft/FA.

Seems like they’re likely to acquire/draft talent at TE / WR.

I sold Mahomes for the equivalent of 5x 1sts in early 2021. But that was part of a move to completely rebuild.

If you’re as close as you believe (e.g. a Mahomes away) then you’re probably there with Herbert too.

This sounds like a February idea. If it still sounds like a good idea in May, make some offers. Hard to see how you’ll be a Mahomes away after paying for a Mahomes though. It’s going to take a lot to get him, putting a dent in your roster.

Was that the equivalent of 5 1st in SF or 1 QB?

SF - landed CEH (flipped for what ended up being ‘23 1.01) Higgins, ZWilson () and what ended up being ‘23 1.08, & 1.10. So a mixed bag. Bijan will be a nice get. It would have been nice if Z.Wilson wasn’t a .

In single QB I’d have even less incentive to upgrade from Herbert to Mahomes. I see no reason to pay in picks or players for what’s likely to be a minor upgrade once the draft/FA is in the rear view.

 

[menobrown]

FFPC 1QB
Feel like one of my teams is Mahomes away from being great. Currently have Herbert and was disappointed with him this past year. Owner posted that he’d move Mahomes but it would take quite a bit. 1.04 and wasting a roster spot before cut down seem worth it to most here? Don’t even know if he’d accept but done even know if I should offer with Herbert as my current guy.

If it were me, I’d stand pat and see what the Chargers do in the draft/FA.

Seems like they’re likely to acquire/draft talent at TE / WR.

I sold Mahomes for the equivalent of 5x 1sts in early 2021. But that was part of a move to completely rebuild.

If you’re as close as you believe (e.g. a Mahomes away) then you’re probably there with Herbert too.

This sounds like a February idea. If it still sounds like a good idea in May, make some offers. Hard to see how you’ll be a Mahomes away after paying for a Mahomes though. It’s going to take a lot to get him, putting a dent in your roster.

I agree with pretty much all of this but would add a few things.

I actually have a Herbert/Mahomes one start FFPC team and I try and imagine would I pay 1.4 to add Mahomes right now if I only had Herbert? My answer would be no. Also as part of that cost you are losing a roster spot. So 1.4 and a roster spot when I already have Herbert? I'd pass.

I'd save the roster spot, hope that the normal thing happens when a pick like 1.4 becomes more valuable as we get close. I just think with combo of Herbert, 1.4 and the extra player you get to keep that gives you more to work over next few months then bogging your roster down a little with 2 QB's.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'd save the roster spot, hope that the normal thing happens when a pick like 1.4 becomes more valuable as we get close. I just think with combo of Herbert, 1.4 and the extra player you get to keep that gives you more to work over next few months then bogging your roster down a little with 2 QB's.

This is a great point. Regardless of whether it’s a JSN landing on the Chiefs, Giants, or Cowboys, or a Gibbs weighing 210 & landing on the Dolphins, while Addison runs a 4.35 and lands on the Vikings, or simply getting closer to draft day & someone in your league getting all over a dude, something is going to happen to cause that 1.04 to pop in value.

That alone is worth seeing what happens. And especially in a 1 QB league. I just don’t see the point of going from Herbert to Mahomes in that format if it costs that much.

 

[Rookiefever]

What’s CMC’s value? Anyone trade him or for him? Buy , hold or sell?

I inquired as a guy in my ppr 10 team league is rebuilding. He said cmac and Mitchell for 1.5 ,Khalil Herbert, cam Akers , George Pickens and terrace marshall. Feels like too much youth for my older team to give up. Trade calcs agree by quite a bit.

 

[Boston]

What’s CMC’s value? Anyone trade him or for him? Buy , hold or sell?

I inquired as a guy in my ppr 10 team league is rebuilding. He said cmac and Mitchell for 1.5 ,Khalil Herbert, cam Akers , George Pickens and terrace marshall. Feels like too much youth for my older team to give up. Trade calcs agree by quite a bit.

Interesting deal...definitely one to think about...if you don't mind what is your current roster and what are the starting positions?

 

[BigAl21]

I'd save the roster spot, hope that the normal thing happens when a pick like 1.4 becomes more valuable as we get close. I just think with combo of Herbert, 1.4 and the extra player you get to keep that gives you more to work over next few months then bogging your roster down a little with 2 QB's.

This is a great point. Regardless of whether it’s a JSN landing on the Chiefs, Giants, or Cowboys, or a Gibbs weighing 210 & landing on the Dolphins, while Addison runs a 4.35 and lands on the Vikings, or simply getting closer to draft day & someone in your league getting all over a dude, something is going to happen to cause that 1.04 to pop in value.

That alone is worth seeing what happens. And especially in a 1 QB league. I just don’t see the point of going from Herbert to Mahomes in that format if it costs that much.

This makes a ton of sense. Sometimes I get antsy to make a move and patience is key right now. I have 1.01,1.02, 1.03 and 1.04 in this league so didn’t mind shipping one early but at this point it doesn’t make much sense to. Thanks. I’ll play the long game here.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'd save the roster spot, hope that the normal thing happens when a pick like 1.4 becomes more valuable as we get close. I just think with combo of Herbert, 1.4 and the extra player you get to keep that gives you more to work over next few months then bogging your roster down a little with 2 QB's.

This is a great point. Regardless of whether it’s a JSN landing on the Chiefs, Giants, or Cowboys, or a Gibbs weighing 210 & landing on the Dolphins, while Addison runs a 4.35 and lands on the Vikings, or simply getting closer to draft day & someone in your league getting all over a dude, something is going to happen to cause that 1.04 to pop in value.

That alone is worth seeing what happens. And especially in a 1 QB league. I just don’t see the point of going from Herbert to Mahomes in that format if it costs that much.

This makes a ton of sense. Sometimes I get antsy to make a move and patience is key right now. I have 1.01,1.02, 1.03 and 1.04 in this league so didn’t mind shipping one early but at this point it doesn’t make much sense to. Thanks. I’ll play the long game here.

With that much draft capital & a ready to win team, you would seem to be positioned perfectly to take Bijan and see if you can deal 2, 3, and 4 for a JJ or Chase.

1 QB format, you want as many studs as you can get. You've already got a young upside QB. He just had a down year.

 

[Rookiefever]

What’s CMC’s value? Anyone trade him or for him? Buy , hold or sell?

I inquired as a guy in my ppr 10 team league is rebuilding. He said cmac and Mitchell for 1.5 ,Khalil Herbert, cam Akers , George Pickens and terrace marshall. Feels like too much youth for my older team to give up. Trade calcs agree by quite a bit.

Interesting deal...definitely one to think about...if you don't mind what is your current roster and what are the starting positions?

Start 1qb, 2rb/wr, 1 te, 2 flex rb/wr/te.
10t 50 man rosters. Idp

Qb Allen

Rb Jones. dillon. Mixon. Kamara. Akers

Wr Tyreek. Dj Moore. Mclaurin. Pickens. Arob. Alec pierce. Josh Palmer.

Te Kittle. Kelce. Andrews. Ferguson. Likely.

 

[Lehigh98]

Had the Lance owner ask what I'd want for Purdy in a SF, TEP, best ball league. I'm in a rebuild and not competing until next year at best. He's got (all mid-late) 1st, 2x2nds, 3rd, and 4th. Also of interest on his roster: Bellinger, Pickens, Michael Mayer (yes it's devy but not depleted due to multiple copies and some players being help back for draft). What do you think Purdy is worth nowadays and what would you ask?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Had the Lance owner ask what I'd want for Purdy in a SF, TEP, best ball league. I'm in a rebuild and not competing until next year at best. He's got (all mid-late) 1st, 2x2nds, 3rd, and 4th. Also of interest on his roster: Bellinger, Pickens, Michael Mayer (yes it's devy but not depleted due to multiple copies and some players being help back for draft). What do you think Purdy is worth nowadays and what would you ask?

Aim high - ask for the 1st.

In this scenario it’s not necessarily what he’s worth, but what he’s worth to the Lance shareholder to lock up the SF QB position.

EVM: extract maximum value.

If they balk at a 1st go from there.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Probably multiple still. At least an early first and an early second.

I probably would not pay that for him, but that’s probably has value.

 

[JohnnyU]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

 

[smbkrypt24]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Probably multiple still. At least an early first and an early second.

I probably would not pay that for him, but that’s probably has value.

Multiple firsts is broad so is Early first and second is broad.
Picks are known in a lot of leagues. Narrow that down to what exact pick you would pay/want for him. What multiple picks would it take?

 

[JohnnyU]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

Yes

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Probably multiple still. At least an early first and an early second.

I probably would not pay that for him, but that’s probably has value.

Multiple firsts is broad so is Early first and second is broad.
Picks are known in a lot of leagues. Narrow that down to what exact pick you would pay/want for him. What multiple picks would it take?

I would not, as I’m not that much of a JT guy.

It’s February.

I haven’t seen who the Colts have drafted at QB yet, or if they made moves to bolster their OL in FA or the draft.

As such, broad is what you get from me.

If I had to guess I’d say 1.04+ 2.02 would be fair value? To the JT owner probably looking for closer to 1.03 + 1.11-12

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

Yes

Wow - I didn't see @JohnnyU's post before replying - that's really close!

Either great minds think alike, or we've all been living in this fishbowl together for too long.

 

[JohnnyU]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

Yes

Wow - I didn't see @JohnnyU's post before replying - that's really close!

Either great minds think alike, or we've all been living in this fishbowl together for too long.

…..but you left out the random player

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

Yes

Wow - I didn't see @JohnnyU's post before replying - that's really close!

Either great minds think alike, or we've all been living in this fishbowl together for too long.

…..but you left out the random player

Eh. Let's say Tyler Conklin.

 

[JohnnyU]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

Yes

Wow - I didn't see @JohnnyU's post before replying - that's really close!

Either great minds think alike, or we've all been living in this fishbowl together for too long.

…..but you left out the random player

Eh. Let's say Tyler Conklin.

Nope, maybe someone like Bateman.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

Yes

Wow - I didn't see @JohnnyU's post before replying - that's really close!

Either great minds think alike, or we've all been living in this fishbowl together for too long.

…..but you left out the random player

Eh. Let's say Tyler Conklin.

Nope, maybe someone like Bateman.

I reject your fictitious offer, sir. It is simply too much for a player I do not own.

 

[JohnnyU]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

Top 3 first and another first and a player.

So since you say top 3 I would assume you are saying 1.03, 1.09-1.12 type first, and what random player?

Yes

Wow - I didn't see @JohnnyU's post before replying - that's really close!

Either great minds think alike, or we've all been living in this fishbowl together for too long.

…..but you left out the random player

Eh. Let's say Tyler Conklin.

Nope, maybe someone like Bateman.

I reject your fictitious offer, sir. It is simply too much for a player I do not own.

I wouldn’t trade Taylor for that anyway unless I was stacked at RB.

 

[menobrown]

Wondering what y’all would think J. Taylor is worth in 2023 picks only. Think 1 or multiple 2023 picks.

I would put his value as less then 1.1 but more then 1. 2 in terms of single picks.

In terms of multiples I'd say something like 3/10, or 2/12. That seems in line with market prices to me but I actually have 2/11 and I was offered JT for those two picks I would decline at this time. But that's me, he's not someone I'm remotely interested in buying at his cost.