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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (4 Viewers)

. I just think you can ask for a bit more and see what they say.
I’m skeptical based on our exchanges. After much back & forth, this is what we landed on as mutually acceptable.

I also have to ask myself this: would I spend a top 12 rookie pick on Alexander Mattison in his age 26-27 season?
Do what you think is best for your team.

You could still shop him to other competitors in your league and see if anyone else wants to offer more if you think that is thar managers best offer before making a decision is I guess what I would try to do.
 
You could still shop him to other competitors in your league and see if anyone else wants to offer more if you think that is thar managers best offer before making a decision is I guess what I would try to do.
Yep - been on that.

1/2 the league is rebuilding, half competing. Makes for an interesting dynamic & limited opportunity.
 
Dynasty SF - QB consensus rankings?

Are we sold that Herbert is the consensus QB5 in SF dynasty? I think it's pretty clearly 1. Mahomes, 2. Allen, then 3. & 4. is Burrow/Hurts however you prefer them. And then mostly I've seen Herbert 5th, and then the Lamar/Lawrence/Fields/Watson tier after that.

I've drawn the 1.05 in an upcoming startup. Trying to gauge that QB5-9 tier to get an idea of what most people think, to see if I want to gamble on trading back from 1.05 to try and pick up a later pick.
 
Dynasty SF - QB consensus rankings?

Are we sold that Herbert is the consensus QB5 in SF dynasty? I think it's pretty clearly 1. Mahomes, 2. Allen, then 3. & 4. is Burrow/Hurts however you prefer them. And then mostly I've seen Herbert 5th, and then the Lamar/Lawrence/Fields/Watson tier after that.

I've drawn the 1.05 in an upcoming startup. Trying to gauge that QB5-9 tier to get an idea of what most people think, to see if I want to gamble on trading back from 1.05 to try and pick up a later pick.
I’m not completely sold on Herbert.

His WR corps is aging and often hurt. I’m not convinced QJ is a great WR, but I could be wrong. That’s TBD. I know Palmer can’t get it done - he showed that he was outmatched last year when given multiple chances to shine.

He’s not a rushing QB, so he 💯 has to get it done through the air.

The saving grace could be Eke on dump-offs.

I am very likely in the extreme minority with this opinion, but I’m not completely sold on Herbert as the 5th best FF QB.

I like him. I wouldn’t mind fostering him. But I could easily see TLaw, Fields, or LJax out-scoring him.
 
Dynasty SF - QB consensus rankings?

Are we sold that Herbert is the consensus QB5 in SF dynasty? I think it's pretty clearly 1. Mahomes, 2. Allen, then 3. & 4. is Burrow/Hurts however you prefer them. And then mostly I've seen Herbert 5th, and then the Lamar/Lawrence/Fields/Watson tier after that.

I've drawn the 1.05 in an upcoming startup. Trying to gauge that QB5-9 tier to get an idea of what most people think, to see if I want to gamble on trading back from 1.05 to try and pick up a later pick.
I’m not completely sold on Herbert.

His WR corps is aging and often hurt. I’m not convinced QJ is a great WR, but I could be wrong. That’s TBD. I know Palmer can’t get it done - he showed that he was outmatched last year when given multiple chances to shine.

He’s not a rushing QB, so he 💯 has to get it done through the air.

The saving grace could be Eke on dump-offs.

I am very likely in the extreme minority with this opinion, but I’m not completely sold on Herbert as the 5th best FF QB.

I like him. I wouldn’t mind fostering him. But I could easily see TLaw, Fields, or LJax out-scoring him.
Get out of my head.

I've said almost exactly this since I found out I drew the 1.05. So to put you on the spot, how do you rank him among the TLaw/Fields/Lamar tier?

I go back and forth every week. I think right now I have it TLaw/Herb/Fields/Lamar (with the passers above the runners for the same availability reasons you've stated recently, hit avoidance and all).
 
Dynasty SF - QB consensus rankings?

Are we sold that Herbert is the consensus QB5 in SF dynasty? I think it's pretty clearly 1. Mahomes, 2. Allen, then 3. & 4. is Burrow/Hurts however you prefer them. And then mostly I've seen Herbert 5th, and then the Lamar/Lawrence/Fields/Watson tier after that.

I've drawn the 1.05 in an upcoming startup. Trying to gauge that QB5-9 tier to get an idea of what most people think, to see if I want to gamble on trading back from 1.05 to try and pick up a later pick.
I’m not completely sold on Herbert.

His WR corps is aging and often hurt. I’m not convinced QJ is a great WR, but I could be wrong. That’s TBD. I know Palmer can’t get it done - he showed that he was outmatched last year when given multiple chances to shine.

He’s not a rushing QB, so he 💯 has to get it done through the air.

The saving grace could be Eke on dump-offs.

I am very likely in the extreme minority with this opinion, but I’m not completely sold on Herbert as the 5th best FF QB.

I like him. I wouldn’t mind fostering him. But I could easily see TLaw, Fields, or LJax out-scoring him.
Get out of my head.

I've said almost exactly this since I found out I drew the 1.05. So to put you on the spot, how do you rank him among the TLaw/Fields/Lamar tier?

I go back and forth every week. I think right now I have it TLaw/Herb/Fields/Lamar (with the passers above the runners for the same availability reasons you've stated recently, hit avoidance and all).
Close enough that I would be tempted to try to trade back one or two spots at a profit and let someone else take Herbert.
 
I'd just take Jefferson at 5?

Devils advocate:

What does the #20 pick net you in terms of QB? I'm a firm believer that you need at least 1 stud QB to really compete in SF. You can sometimes stream your SF spot, but the reality is that 22 other QBs will be used in either a starting or SF role EVERY WEEK. You'd MAYBE be looking at a guy like Watson or Tua. Probably have access to Stroud and Young, but the rookies won't win you the league. Then you'd need to draft another QB in the 3rd or 4th and probably take a flyer or two on guys in the mid rounds. Seems like that's just making it harder for yourself.
 
I'd just take Jefferson at 5?

Devils advocate:

What does the #20 pick net you in terms of QB? I'm a firm believer that you need at least 1 stud QB to really compete in SF. You can sometimes stream your SF spot, but the reality is that 22 other QBs will be used in either a starting or SF role EVERY WEEK. You'd MAYBE be looking at a guy like Watson or Tua. Probably have access to Stroud and Young, but the rookies won't win you the league. Then you'd need to draft another QB in the 3rd or 4th and probably take a flyer or two on guys in the mid rounds. Seems like that's just making it harder for yourself.

It's a calculated risk, and I don't disagree that having a great QB is a huge advantage, but I don't think it's out of the realms of possibility that you can construct a starting roster with bridge QBs that would allow you to be competitive in the short term. I know in my dynasty startup I didn't take a QB with either of the first two picks and my team was not far off winning
 
I'd just take Jefferson at 5?

Devils advocate:

What does the #20 pick net you in terms of QB? I'm a firm believer that you need at least 1 stud QB to really compete in SF. You can sometimes stream your SF spot, but the reality is that 22 other QBs will be used in either a starting or SF role EVERY WEEK. You'd MAYBE be looking at a guy like Watson or Tua. Probably have access to Stroud and Young, but the rookies won't win you the league. Then you'd need to draft another QB in the 3rd or 4th and probably take a flyer or two on guys in the mid rounds. Seems like that's just making it harder for yourself.
I think this is dependent upon the scoring system and how QB's score in relation to other positions. Is the scoring set up so you must play a QB at SF? If it is then you are forced into going stud QB first if at all possible because you wil lhave to be starting another QB due to the scoring inequities. However, if the scoring is set up properly (IMO) then you should have choices in your lineup structure so you have more than one way to build your team to be competitive. Knowing how your scoring system distributes the "wealth" is critical going into the draft.
 
I'd just take Jefferson at 5?

Devils advocate:

What does the #20 pick net you in terms of QB? I'm a firm believer that you need at least 1 stud QB to really compete in SF. You can sometimes stream your SF spot, but the reality is that 22 other QBs will be used in either a starting or SF role EVERY WEEK. You'd MAYBE be looking at a guy like Watson or Tua. Probably have access to Stroud and Young, but the rookies won't win you the league. Then you'd need to draft another QB in the 3rd or 4th and probably take a flyer or two on guys in the mid rounds. Seems like that's just making it harder for yourself.

It's a calculated risk, and I don't disagree that having a great QB is a huge advantage, but I don't think it's out of the realms of possibility that you can construct a starting roster with bridge QBs that would allow you to be competitive in the short term. I know in my dynasty startup I didn't take a QB with either of the first two picks and my team was not far off winning
It's definitely a calculated risk, but if you miss on your QBs in superflex, you are F'd for a good while. They are difficult to trade for and will extract a LOT of assets from your team.

Another thought: If you're not interested in drafting Herbert, I'm SURE there are 3-4 other GMs in the league who'd jump at the chance. Might be a good opportunity to trade back into the late 1st and get multiple extra early-mid round picks.
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.
1. Stevenson
2. The rest
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.
1. Stevenson
2. The rest
Well, “the rest” with a big caveat of Javonte could be The Man again if he comes back strong at any point early this season. Healthy Javonte performing close to pre-injury expectations is the most valuable RB in that group. A big enough If though
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.
1. Stevenson
2. The rest
Well, “the rest” with a big caveat of Javonte could be The Man again if he comes back strong at any point early this season. Healthy Javonte performing close to pre-injury expectations is the most valuable RB in that group. A big enough If though
Yes, of course.

But until he is? Yeah.
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.

1. Stevenson - clear #1


2. Javonte - but don't plan on much in 2023


3. Sanders
4. Akers
5. Pacheco
 
Probably Stevenson (though not by quite as much as some imply), Javonte, Sanders, Pacheco and Akers in that order. Am probably higher on Pacheco and lower on Akers than most though
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.

1. Stevenson - clear #1


2. Javonte - but don't plan on much in 2023


3. Sanders
4. Akers
5. Pacheco
For a 2 year window...

1. Stevenson - clear #1


2. Javonte - but don't plan on much in 2023
3. Sanders
4. Akers


5. Pacheco
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.

1. Stevenson - clear #1


2. Javonte - but don't plan on much in 2023


3. Sanders
4. Akers
5. Pacheco
For a 2 year window...

1. Stevenson - clear #1


2. Javonte - but don't plan on much in 2023
3. Sanders
4. Akers


5. Pacheco
I have Sanders ahead of Javonte purely for health reasons, but long-term this is likely the correct ranking.
 
Looking for some help in ranking some RBs I am targeting that may be more cost effective to go after:

Javonte Williams - injury a concern but Perine is the only other viable RB
R Stevenson - never know with BillyB but he had a good year last year
I Pacheco - Like him but with McKinnon and CEH still there
C Akers - great to doghouse back to great again ... will he stay that way?
M Sanders - change of scenery help him?

Thanks for your thoughts.
Tier 1:

Stevenson
Javonte

Tier 2:

Sanders

Tier 3:

Pachecho
Akers
 
Tier 1:

Stevenson
Javonte

Tier 2:

Sanders

Tier 3:

Pachecho
Akers
I don't think Javonte should be in tier 1 until he proves he is healthy but I may take a chance on him if I wasn't needing to rely on him this year. I think this year will be much like Dobbins last year where it takes a year to get back to 100%. So if I could get him at a discount and not need to rely on him this year I would take that chance. I would not pay full "tier 1" value for him though.
 
Tier 1:

Stevenson
Javonte

Tier 2:

Sanders

Tier 3:

Pachecho
Akers
I don't think Javonte should be in tier 1 until he proves he is healthy but I may take a chance on him if I wasn't needing to rely on him this year. I think this year will be much like Dobbins last year where it takes a year to get back to 100%. So if I could get him at a discount and not need to rely on him this year I would take that chance. I would not pay full "tier 1" value for him though.
Obviously I don't agree with you and don't think Javonte is at full price right now. Hard to get much value if you always need to see it first because once you've seen it so has everyone else. I'm much more willing to take some gambles/shots based on info I have collected and get ahead of the curve.

I view Rhamondre vs Javonte as extremely similar to earlier this off-season when I mulled Breece vs Taylor. One coming off a major injury but the other two years older with considerable more wear and tear. I would take Hall. Again very similar situation. I can get two years younger with less wear and tear.

I think the assumption his recovery is like Dobbins is off for me. Dobbins had an in-season setback that required a surgical procedure and he still was running wild at the end of the year on a pretty much dead offense. So again this whole idea Javonte is not going to be useful in 2023 or his recovery is going to go like Dobbins is one I could not dispute more. And let me clearly say I believe the stuff Payton has been saying lately so this is not like February or March when we just had no idea what was going on. This is what I mean by being willing to take a shot based on info.
 
Tier 1:

Stevenson
Javonte

Tier 2:

Sanders

Tier 3:

Pachecho
Akers
I don't think Javonte should be in tier 1 until he proves he is healthy but I may take a chance on him if I wasn't needing to rely on him this year. I think this year will be much like Dobbins last year where it takes a year to get back to 100%. So if I could get him at a discount and not need to rely on him this year I would take that chance. I would not pay full "tier 1" value for him though.
Obviously I don't agree with you and don't think Javonte is at full price right now. Hard to get much value if you always need to see it first because once you've seen it so has everyone else. I'm much more willing to take some gambles/shots based on info I have collected and get ahead of the curve.

I view Rhamondre vs Javonte as extremely similar to earlier this off-season when I mulled Breece vs Taylor. One coming off a major injury but the other two years older with considerable more wear and tear. I would take Hall. Again very similar situation. I can get two years younger with less wear and tear.

I think the assumption his recovery is like Dobbins is off for me. Dobbins had an in-season setback that required a surgical procedure and he still was running wild at the end of the year on a pretty much dead offense. So again this whole idea Javonte is not going to be useful in 2023 or his recovery is going to go like Dobbins is one I could not dispute more. And let me clearly say I believe the stuff Payton has been saying lately so this is not like February or March when we just had no idea what was going on. This is what I mean by being willing to take a shot based on info.
Nobody knows how Williams' recovery will go and whether he will ever recover to be what we hope he will be. I agree we can't just say Williams will recover like Dobbins, or how Breece Hall will be in 2023 or 2024. All we can do is hope and sometimes buy low if possible. I for one wouldn't want to buy high on guys coming off major injury and if I have them, they are most likely a hold. So Williams is definitely a buy low or hold and hope he recovers to what we thought he was before the injury. We've seen too many players not ever be the RB they were pre-injury. It's a matter of how much risk you want to take.
 
I think the assumption his recovery is like Dobbins is off for me. Dobbins had an in-season setback that required a surgical procedure and he still was running wild at the end of the year on a pretty much dead offense. So again this whole idea Javonte is not going to be useful in 2023 or his recovery is going to go like Dobbins is one I could not dispute more. And let me clearly say I believe the stuff Payton has been saying lately so this is not like February or March when we just had no idea what was going on. This is what I mean by being willing to take a shot based on info.
That's why there are buyers and sellers. All good.
 
I think the assumption his recovery is like Dobbins is off for me. Dobbins had an in-season setback that required a surgical procedure and he still was running wild at the end of the year on a pretty much dead offense. So again this whole idea Javonte is not going to be useful in 2023 or his recovery is going to go like Dobbins is one I could not dispute more. And let me clearly say I believe the stuff Payton has been saying lately so this is not like February or March when we just had no idea what was going on. This is what I mean by being willing to take a shot based on info.
That's why there are buyers and sellers. All good.
I think the time to buy Javonte may be after the season starts assuming that he doesn't play much if at all in the preseason, starts slow, and has some sort of setback. But if I REALLY wanted him, I'd get him now. His cost could just keep going up.
 
12-team SF PPR, start 10, no D/ST, no K

ETN+KJO for DKM

RB: Bijan, ETN, Mattison, Monty, AJD
WR: AJB, ARSB, Higgins, Bateman, G.Davis, KJO

Should I do it?
 
Do I need 5?

Depending on your starting requirements, yeah, you might. You've got two or three solid starters and other guys in committees at best. That's my take.

I won't go into DK because he's on my team and I don't want to depress his value. But I'm not sanguine about 2023 for DK.

You do what you need to do, but I don't think an ETN for DK swap is a good one, and that's without Osborn (who is really a distraction and a throw-in).
 
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So this is basically just an assistant coach thread now?

This was supposed to be just general discussion about dynasty values. If people really want it to be all about one or two people's fantasy teams, I guess that's cool but I'll sit out this thread going forward (not that that's some huge loss to anyone :lol:). It's a shame though that threads like these devolve into this.
Did it really devolve into this? There hadn't been a post in three days in the thread. Traffic is somewhat light and you get a variety of questions. Also, it can lead to value discussions where in this particular case it is basically an ETN vs Metcalf value discussion. If it gets to be every question being trade/team centric then sure. But that's not the case here.
 
Also, it can lead to value discussions where in this particular case it is basically an ETN vs Metcalf value discussion

This is exactly what I was going to say in response to Dr. Octopus but hadn't gotten around to it. I also understand Dr. Octopus's lament, but in this case we can sort through the particulars and get to a Metcalf/ETN discussion, which is interesting.
 
So this is basically just an assistant coach thread now?

This was supposed to be just general discussion about dynasty values. If people really want it to be all about one or two people's fantasy teams, I guess that's cool but I'll sit out this thread going forward (not that that's some huge loss to anyone :lol:). It's a shame though that threads like these devolve into this.
Did it really devolve into this? There hadn't been a post in three days in the thread. Traffic is somewhat light and you get a variety of questions. Also, it can lead to value discussions where in this particular case it is basically an ETN vs Metcalf value discussion. If it gets to be every question being trade/team centric then sure. But that's not the case here.

I deleted my comment because I'm not interested in dealing with the backlash. I'll just stay out of this thread as I know more about some people's dynasty teams than my own. But to answer your question it certainly has devolved into that imo but ymmv.
 
So this is basically just an assistant coach thread now?

This was supposed to be just general discussion about dynasty values. If people really want it to be all about one or two people's fantasy teams, I guess that's cool but I'll sit out this thread going forward (not that that's some huge loss to anyone :lol:). It's a shame though that threads like these devolve into this.
Did it really devolve into this? There hadn't been a post in three days in the thread. Traffic is somewhat light and you get a variety of questions. Also, it can lead to value discussions where in this particular case it is basically an ETN vs Metcalf value discussion.

In terms of that discussion we had that exact trade go down in my league during the rookie draft, there's further thoughts in the trade thread
 
I deleted my comment because I'm not interested in dealing with the backlash. I'll just stay out of this thread as I know more about some people's dynasty teams than my own. But to answer your question it certainly has devolved into that imo but ymmv.
I tend to frame value discussions in terms of my own team, but I would think it fits the greater theme of this topic.


“Is DKM for ETN a fair value” is certainly a value question.

Adding my own context to it shouldn’t detract from the basic question.

Apologies if that caused an issue for you. I feel like it’s a more honest way of presenting it than artfully dancing around as though there isn’t a personal contextual undertone. I could have certainly done that…
 
12-team SF PPR, start 10, no D/ST, no K

ETN+KJO for DKM

RB: Bijan, ETN, Mattison, Monty, AJD
WR: AJB, ARSB, Higgins, Bateman, G.Davis, KJO

Should I do it?
I wouldn’t trade etn and Quentin Johnson for metcalf if i didn’t need rbs.
KJO = kj Osborn

I would be giving ETN for DK Metcalf

Quintin Johnson? What?
I see. Lol my bad. In that case, Kj wouldn’t appeal to me in the least. Still etn side
 
I've got two offers for my Jefferson in one 10 person ppr league. I have no rbs and good wrs.

Jefferson, d swift, 2.07 for Cmc, Dobbins, McLaurin, 2025 1st

Or

Jefferson for B Hall, 1.03, 1.09
 
I've got two offers for my Jefferson in one 10 person ppr league. I have no rbs and good wrs.

Jefferson, d swift, 2.07 for Cmc, Dobbins, McLaurin, 2025 1st

Or

Jefferson for B Hall, 1.03, 1.09
Keep Swift and deal for a lesser RB like Connor (if you’re win now)?

easy to type that sentence. Harder to make an actual trade in a real league with real owners and rosters :)
 
Have AJ Brown in dynasty. Would you trade him for either Garrett Wilson or Waddle straight up? Brown has the safest QB situation moving forward, but injury history and Smith developing into a quasi #1 in his own right has me a bit concerned. Both offers are on the table. Love Wilson but worried about his QB play after this year, although I think Rodgers is good for at least two years. Any input would be appreciated.
 
Have AJ Brown in dynasty. Would you trade him for either Garrett Wilson or Waddle straight up? Brown has the safest QB situation moving forward, but injury history and Smith developing into a quasi #1 in his own right has me a bit concerned. Both offers are on the table. Love Wilson but worried about his QB play after this year, although I think Rodgers is good for at least two years. Any input would be appreciated.
I would move him for Wilson. I’d probably hold over Waddle, but it’s close.
 
Have AJ Brown in dynasty. Would you trade him for either Garrett Wilson or Waddle straight up? Brown has the safest QB situation moving forward, but injury history and Smith developing into a quasi #1 in his own right has me a bit concerned. Both offers are on the table. Love Wilson but worried about his QB play after this year, although I think Rodgers is good for at least two years. Any input would be appreciated.

Wilson is my WR3 ranked, I’d do that for sure. Brown/Waddle would depend on the rest of my roster, could go either way. I don’t even have to think about Wilson though.
 

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