Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Brown for Wilson is pretty even. I don't have one measurably ahead of the other. I'd hold Brown over Waddle.

Brown for Wilson, though, is risky. Brown is firmly entrenched as a top six or seven guy based on production. Wilson is all potential and you're buying him at what might be the height of his market. Just something to think about. But Wilson could also be in the JJ/Chase tier when it's said and done.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Brown for Wilson is pretty even. I don't have one measurably ahead of the other. I'd hold Brown over Waddle.

Brown for Wilson, though, is risky. Brown is firmly entrenched as a top six or seven guy based on production. Wilson is all potential and you're buying him at what might be the height of his market. Just something to think about. But Wilson could also be in the JJ/Chase tier when it's said and done.

Plus with Wilson he has ARod this year, but beyond that it’s a bit of a mystery.

Given the choice of Wilson Vs AJB that’s a major factor for me to lean AJB.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’ll be pretty surprised if Rodgers isn’t there for two years with what he’s being paid. As long as he stays pretty healthy this year I definitely think he comes back.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ll be pretty surprised if Rodgers isn’t there for two years with what he’s being paid. As long as he stays pretty healthy this year I definitely think he comes back.

Possible. But we also don’t yet know which ARod they’re gonna get. If he doesn’t play at a high level they may not want him back.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’ll be pretty surprised if Rodgers isn’t there for two years with what he’s being paid. As long as he stays pretty healthy this year I definitely think he comes back.

Possible. But we also don’t yet know which ARod they’re gonna get. If he doesn’t play at a high level they may not want him back.

Just my opinion but I think a lot of last years underperformance was mental. His heart just didn’t seem to be in it without Davonta to balance out the soured relationships in the building. He looks to be embracing the New York scene, kinda crafting a new image for himself. He already loves Wilson, has a couple of his guys to make him feel comfortable, talented run game and a really good defense. Not sure about their ceiling but I could easily see it working to the tune of a playoff game or 2.

I’m not much of a fan of the guy the last few years, find him rather annoying, but it feels a little different to me this year.

 

[BigAl21]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

 

[JohnnyU]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

I would take that. If you get greedy it could backfire and that's on you.

 

[farfromforgotten]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

Accept the offer. No squeezing required!

 

[Rookiefever]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

I would take that. If you get greedy it could backfire and that's on you.

I would also take that deal. Sera you up nicely

 

[efactor]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

 

[TripItUp]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

Wilson, not close for me.

 

[TripItUp]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

I'm taking that ASAP.

 

[Jayded]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

Yeah you should take that if you have remote confidence in your QB room otherwise. Conner should be solid this year with Murray out and the Cards likely needing to rely more on the run, but that's why he's a sneaky add in for the other owner to be happy about his side. Before he realizes Conner is Conner and Kamara is largely washed, I'm taking that deal. Start the rebuild with at least one foundational asset (Wilson), another with a shot (JSN) and a third if you draft well with that 1st.

 

[BigAl21]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

Yeah you should take that if you have remote confidence in your QB room otherwise. Conner should be solid this year with Murray out and the Cards likely needing to rely more on the run, but that's why he's a sneaky add in for the other owner to be happy about his side. Before he realizes Conner is Conner and Kamara is largely washed, I'm taking that deal. Start the rebuild with at least one foundational asset (Wilson), another with a shot (JSN) and a third if you draft well with that 1st.

QBs are thin but studlu with both Mahomes and Hurts. Big Mike Williams will be the next Pierce I’ll try to unload and maybe get some fill in RBs to both compete and rebuild at the same time

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

I'm taking that ASAP.

Same. Smash keyboard accept.

 

[Birdie048]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

Wilson, not close for me.

Interesting ...both are upper tier WR value but without having to explain my positives for both, I will focus on the minor warts.
I don't have faith in ARodgers or NYJ, but I expect long term, they will be more running game centric offense and short passing schemes.
I am a big Olave fan yet I have zero shares... not for lack of trying. I see his physical skill attributes slightly ahead of GW, but also the Passing Scheme in NOS will be centered on Olave and everybody else a distant 2nd look from Carr.
I prefer Olave but not by much.

 

[Rookiefever]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

I seen quite a bit of both the saints and jets. Wilson could have had a ton more production if the qbs were able to get him the ball. Olave on the other hand seems to maximize his production. I didn’t see nearly the same missed opportunities for olave. That being said, olave is dang near always in the right place at the right time but I didn’t see the same separation Wilson had. Both are great wr investments. Id give a bit more than a slight nudge to Wilson but from what I am seeing as far as costs go I’m unsure the Wilson price tag will reflect in production of the entirety of their careers. I’ve been trying to acquire both across several leagues and they’re tough buys. I’d be stoked if I had them as a core wr group for dynasty.

 

[efactor]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

Wilson, not close for me.

Ok, but particular reason?

 

[efactor]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

I seen quite a bit of both the saints and jets. Wilson could have had a ton more production if the qbs were able to get him the ball. Olave on the other hand seems to maximize his production. I didn’t see nearly the same missed opportunities for olave. That being said, olave is dang near always in the right place at the right time but I didn’t see the same separation Wilson had. Both are great wr investments. Id give a bit more than a slight nudge to Wilson but from what I am seeing as far as costs go I’m unsure the Wilson price tag will reflect in production of the entirety of their careers. I’ve been trying to acquire both across several leagues and they’re tough buys. I’d be stoked if I had them as a core wr group for dynasty.

That's the stat (bolded) that jumps out at me. He had virtually the same production as Wilson but with 28 less targets.

They seem like they are clones of each other as far as size, speed and draft capital. Christ, even went to same college

 

[wgoldsph]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

I seen quite a bit of both the saints and jets. Wilson could have had a ton more production if the qbs were able to get him the ball. Olave on the other hand seems to maximize his production. I didn’t see nearly the same missed opportunities for olave. That being said, olave is dang near always in the right place at the right time but I didn’t see the same separation Wilson had. Both are great wr investments. Id give a bit more than a slight nudge to Wilson but from what I am seeing as far as costs go I’m unsure the Wilson price tag will reflect in production of the entirety of their careers. I’ve been trying to acquire both across several leagues and they’re tough buys. I’d be stoked if I had them as a core wr group for dynasty.

That's the stat (bolded) that jumps out at me. He had virtually the same production as Wilson but with 28 less targets.

They seem like they are clones of each other as far as size, speed and draft capital. Christ, even went to same college

28 uncatchable targets

 

[Jayded]

I'm realizing in my dynasty/devy drafts it might be interesting for us to debate currently available guys with also a lens on big shot guys coming. I'm trying to figure out buy now vs. hold moves and there doesn't appear to be anyone out there with a comparison like that. For example, line up all of the current WRs in the NFL for dynasty and now where does Marvin Harrison Jr fit right this moment? So if someone were to trade for him now, where does his value fall amongst other available NFL assets?

Could be a fun exercise for QB, RB, and WR in particular. TEs are generally weird, but putting Bowers on a dynasty list could be interesting now too. I have a win-now roster with some big shots coming and people are trying to trade with me for my future assets for good players now but I struggle to find the value comps in a real vs. potential lens.

 

[titusbramble]

Think Olave and Wilson are really close, prefer Wilson but it's not by much (speaking as an Olave owner)

 

[Rookiefever]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

I seen quite a bit of both the saints and jets. Wilson could have had a ton more production if the qbs were able to get him the ball. Olave on the other hand seems to maximize his production. I didn’t see nearly the same missed opportunities for olave. That being said, olave is dang near always in the right place at the right time but I didn’t see the same separation Wilson had. Both are great wr investments. Id give a bit more than a slight nudge to Wilson but from what I am seeing as far as costs go I’m unsure the Wilson price tag will reflect in production of the entirety of their careers. I’ve been trying to acquire both across several leagues and they’re tough buys. I’d be stoked if I had them as a core wr group for dynasty.

That's the stat (bolded) that jumps out at me. He had virtually the same production as Wilson but with 28 less targets.

They seem like they are clones of each other as far as size, speed and draft capital. Christ, even went to same college

28 uncatchable targets

I think about eight or nine were tds too

Not end zone passes. But probable housed and end zone combined.

 

[TripItUp]

Chris Olave vs Garrett Wilson?

Drafted 10 and 11 in 2022. Similar rookie stats. Almost identical 40 times. But Wilson is ranked in the 4/5 range and Olave is in the 9/10 range. Any particular reason? Wilson has Rodgers but that's two years max probably. Plus Olave got an upgrade in Carr.

I didn't watch a lot of Jets or Saints games last year so just looking for some input.

Wilson, not close for me.

Ok, but particular reason?

Wilson has overall WR1 upside IMHO. I don't believe Olave does.

Both opportunity and talent I give the edge to Wilson...and I give that edge to Wilson compared to almost all WRs from a dynasty perspective.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Talk about how valuable Breece Hall is …

Most trade analyzers are valuing Breece over CMC. Seems strange to me - but not crazy.

 

[kutta]

Talk about how valuable Breece Hall is …

Most trade analyzers are valuing Breece over CMC. Seems strange to me - but not crazy.

I love Breece. Drafted him last year from a pick I got in a trade. My team is stacked. When he got hurt, I received an offer of Breece for Saquon. I accepted and “should” have won the league but got hosed.

Anyway, the point is, I’ll almost always take a healthy stud over a super promising young guy returning from injury. We just don’t know how the recovery is going to go, so give me CMC even with the age difference.

Breece is still a top 5 RB for me, but I’ll take a “sure thing” any day.

 

[Tonycarpenter]

Have AJ Brown in dynasty. Would you trade him for either Garrett Wilson or Waddle straight up? Brown has the safest QB situation moving forward, but injury history and Smith developing into a quasi #1 in his own right has me a bit concerned. Both offers are on the table. Love Wilson but worried about his QB play after this year, although I think Rodgers is good for at least two years. Any input would be appreciated.

I see this as a lateral move w/o insurance. I own all 3 of these WRs so feel somewhat informed. AJBrown is a tough WR1 with high floor and ceiling. He was getting open in TEN and still the dude in PHI. He's not old but in the prime of his career. Has a stable QB situation. I don't see Smith eating into his production. I see an offense that's more productive than others. My concern is that he plays aggressively in some games I've watched vs just checking out stats that he could get hurt, banged up taking hits. He's not tiny and it hasn't happened. Just my own thoughts with supporting data behind it. There's a lot of meat on the AJBrown bone so I'd hold over the other two. He's more proven than Wilson or Waddle. I rank Waddle slightly ahead of Wilson based on reports Waldman's RSP. I don't think you'd be getting Wilson cheap, or Waddle cheap and if either of them are hurt would you regret the move? Wilson... will Lazard eat into production? Rodgers should improve upside in immediate but long term... I see a less stable QB situation and lower floor. Waddle. Was getting open and making catches before THill was in MIA. If you don't like Tua's odds of staying healthy I think there's a case to be made there. BUT which WR in MIA thrives in a quick hitting Mike White or Skylar Thompson offense. I think Wilson is talented and athletic but could benefit from some polish technical areas based on research. DK Metcalf is someone that does a thing really well and lacks lateral movement but because he does a think so well he doesn't have to do some of the other stuff...apparently Terry McLaurin in there as well. I think sometimes the NON MOVE is the best move we're used to Making moves to improving a team when really we shouldn't touch it. I'm very guilty of this. So.... were I to consider a trade for top 5 WR....Selling... I'd want more than just straight up. Extra pick at some point..... years ago I traded Larry Fitzgerald after an amazing post season run because he was on the cover of Madden and no one had survived that curse. It worked out but it was just fear.

 

[Tonycarpenter]

Talk about how valuable Breece Hall is …

Most trade analyzers are valuing Breece over CMC. Seems strange to me - but not crazy.

On podcasts I'm hearing that his injury was cleaner than other RBs like Javonte Williams and he could be back sooner vs later, fewer complications etc. All good things you wanna hear. CMC's had his share of injuries. If he can stay on the field I think his situation is phenomenal. But HOw long? I think RBs are SELL right now in many ways. So it's a SELL HIGH can get high volume value where you can. SOme Podcasts maybe Locked ON were talking about Sell High...get value + and come back and "bail the owner out" at a discount later. I was cracking up.

 

[Tonycarpenter]

Just started SF format this off season so my evaluations of QBs aren’t quite on point yet;
Was offered: Garrett Wilson, JSN, 2024 1st

For Kelce, Love, Kamara Conner

Trying to squeeze little more from the deal but something says just take it before it’s no longer there. Thoughts?

I like this trade for a SF league where you can get a Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison JR Drake May in 2024 possibly. Trading Kelce is wise even though he could help you this year. We don't know about Jordan Love I think you're getting great WRs that can bolster your term for quite a while. I'd target 2-3 QBs. Drafting them is typically cheaper than trading straight up for them. There are QB values to be had. Probably target one of the younger guys with Rushing Upside. Mahomes, Hurts, Fields, LJax. maybe Watson, ...Arichardson, Byoung? I'd have to read on them more. I think there are some value veterans at QB for couple years that can get you by. Geno, Russ W, a possible Carr/Goff/Jimmy G, SF QB? Tua backup, Anything you can do to get value for Conner, Kamara is a Win here.

 

[Jayded]

Curious to do an exercise I eluded to earlier and I'll do the up front work to solicit comments. Here's the top 30 WRs by ADP on a dynasty ranking site:

1. Justin Jefferson
2. Ja'Marr Chase
3. CeeDee Lamb
4. AJ Brown
5. Garrett Wilson
6. Jaylen Waddle
7. Amon-Ra St. Brown
8. Chris Olave
9. Tyreek Hill
10. Stefon Diggs
11. DeVonta Smith
12. Tee Higgins
13. Drake London
14. Cooper Kupp
15. DK Metcalf
16. Davante Adams
17. Jaxon Smith-Njigba
18. Chris Godwin
19. DJ Moore
20. Christian Watson
21. Michael Pittman Jr
22. Jerry Jeudy
23. Jordan Addison
24. Deebo Samuel
25. Brandon Aiyuk
26. Terry McLaurin
27. Treylon Burks
28. Jahan Dotson
29. Quentin Johnston
30. Marquise Brown

Next year's draft looks like a potential gold mine of WR talent. Where would you put these guys in the above list? I'm mostly curious to feel out where dynasty value is for these devys in relation to the current NFL top 30:

Marvin Harrison Jr
Emeka Egbuka
Xavier Worthy
Rome Odunze
Troy Franklin
Johnny Wilson

 

[BearsFan4Life]

This deal happened in our 14 team league ..

Chubb

for

RStevenson / Javonte Williams

Just curious what side you are on?

 

[Jayded]

I'll fall on my own sword first and take a swing like this (where I fully expect someone to tell me why I'm wrong):

Next year's draft looks like a potential gold mine of WR talent. Where would you put 2024 rookies in the dynasty list? I'm mostly curious to feel out where dynasty value is for these devys in relation to the current NFL top 30:

1. Justin Jefferson
2. Ja'Marr Chase
3. CeeDee Lamb
4. AJ Brown
5. Garrett Wilson
6. Marvin Harrison Jr
7. Jaylen Waddle
8. Amon-Ra St. Brown
9. Chris Olave
10. Tyreek Hill
11. Stefon Diggs
12. DeVonta Smith
13. Tee Higgins
14. Drake London
15. Emeka Egbuka
16. Cooper Kupp
17. DK Metcalf
18. Davante Adams
19. Xavier Worthy
20. Jaxon Smith-Njigba
21. Chris Godwin
22. DJ Moore
23. Christian Watson
24. Rome Odunze
25. Michael Pittman Jr
26. Jerry Jeudy
27. Jordan Addison
28. Deebo Samuel
29. Troy Franklin
30. Brandon Aiyuk
31. Terry McLaurin
32. Treylon Burks
33. Jahan Dotson
34. Johnny Wilson
35. Quentin Johnston
36. Marquise Brown

 

[Jayded]

I'm especially interested in the above from others as in the middle of our devy draft right now I received an offer of the following:

I get : Christian Watson
I give : Emeka Egbuka + 2024 2nd

I smashed decline immediately. However, our rosters are stupid deep (start 11 offensive guys weekly) and we're in year 4 of the league, so the devy and rookie combined draft is at an odd point to communicate to others at times because all of the really big names are naturally off the table long ago. I have a title contending team in the league (16 teams) and the guy who had my 1st rounder this year took Rashee Rice as an example, and the 2nd I'd give up was the Cedric Tillman/Luke Musgrave range.

I like Watson, and having another body right this moment would really help propel me possibly to the title this year with him as a flex or starter, but I'm curious if that's way too much to give and give up on Egbuka's upside.

 

[BigAl21]

This deal happened in our 14 team league ..

Chubb

for

RStevenson / Javonte Williams

Just curious what side you are on?

I boldly prefer the Stevenson/Williams side. 2 way out

 

[Blick]

This deal happened in our 14 team league ..

Chubb

for

RStevenson / Javonte Williams

Just curious what side you are on?

This deal favors the Stevenson/Javonte side now and by A LOT in a year or two, especially if Javonte works out the kinks this season.

 

[foxco]

This deal happened in our 14 team league ..

Chubb

for

RStevenson / Javonte Williams

Just curious what side you are on?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find many on the Chubb side.

 

[Loipz]

This deal happened in our 14 team league ..

Chubb

for

RStevenson / Javonte Williams

Just curious what side you are on?

I have Chubb and I’m taking the other side all day

 

[BearsFan4Life]

This deal happened in our 14 team league ..

Chubb

for

RStevenson / Javonte Williams

Just curious what side you are on?

I have Chubb and I’m taking the other side all day

I was also able to get the 2.03 with Stevenson and Williams for Chubb.

Still have CMC, Barkley, Henry, and AJones at RB so I am set up for awhile. Hoping to deal Henry soon too.

 

[dipandglide]

I'm especially interested in the above from others as in the middle of our devy draft right now I received an offer of the following:

I get : Christian Watson
I give : Emeka Egbuka + 2024 2nd

I smashed decline immediately. However, our rosters are stupid deep (start 11 offensive guys weekly) and we're in year 4 of the league, so the devy and rookie combined draft is at an odd point to communicate to others at times because all of the really big names are naturally off the table long ago. I have a title contending team in the league (16 teams) and the guy who had my 1st rounder this year took Rashee Rice as an example, and the 2nd I'd give up was the Cedric Tillman/Luke Musgrave range.

I like Watson, and having another body right this moment would really help propel me possibly to the title this year with him as a flex or starter, but I'm curious if that's way too much to give and give up on Egbuka's upside.

Snap accept for me. Watson has alpha traits and has already flashed. I'd add a devy depleted 2nd to pivot to CW. He's someone who can help you win now.

 

[dipandglide]

This deal happened in our 14 team league ..

Chubb

for

RStevenson / Javonte Williams

Just curious what side you are on?

RS/JW and I love Chubb

RS should provide similar output (PPR) to Chubb. Adding JW to RS seems like overkill.

 

[rockaction]

These two dynasty trade/value threads are now unreadable for some reason. I don't know why, but they are. Perhaps because we have trades in the valuation thread and valuations in the trade thread. But they're unreadable as is.

 

[JohnnyU]

These two dynasty trade/value threads are now unreadable for some reason. I don't know why, but they are. Perhaps because we have trades in the valuation thread and valuations in the trade thread. But they're unreadable as is.

This thread morphs into people’s fantasy teams…..

 

[rockaction]

This thread morphs into people’s fantasy teams…

I'm probably just grumpy lately, but I can't read this stuff right now whereas per normal I'm usually interested. Never mind me, though. People should post away, just keep in mind trades go in trade thread, value (like the DEVY stuff above) goes in this thread, and personal questions go in AC Forum, unless those personal questions have to do with valuation of some sort.

Just a reminder.

 

[Rookiefever]

This thread morphs into people’s fantasy teams…

I'm probably just grumpy lately, but I can't read this stuff right now whereas per normal I'm usually interested. Never mind me, though. People should post away, just keep in mind trades go in trade thread, value (like the DEVY stuff above) goes in this thread, and personal questions go in AC Forum, unless those personal questions have to do with valuation of some sort.

Just a reminder.

I agree on some levels. However, trades and rankings are what determine values imo. I think there’s room for trade discussions(not advice) here.
Most people draft for need and trade for value it seems (Especially when rebuilding) I enjoy seeing completed trades in this trade rather than bouncing back and forth to the completed trade thread. It definitely sparks up value discussions in a good way quite often.

 

[wgoldsph]

Here's a question I've often thought of, that seemingly I only get stuck with while looking at the sharks here...

How do you go about turning around a team with no assets? A team where you've picked up someone's leftovers or you had a run of good years and your studs all aged out at the same time leaving your cubbard barren to the point where you can't cobble together enough to trade for a 1st in next year's draft?

 

[rockaction]

How do you go about turning around a team with no assets?

Total brag here. I took over a last place team pretty devoid of any assets besides Patrick Mahomes about three years ago and won a championship last year. I took the 1.01 that I inherited my first year and traded down for three picks in the first two rounds. I traded any aging running backs that could have been of use to somebody for picks and players. For example, I traded Kenyan Drake (remember him?) for Terry McLaurin, who eventually became Miles Sanders for me (I dealt McLaurin and Khalil Herbert for Sanders and Allen Lazard last year when I needed a running back to win). I traded Corey Davis and Bryan Edwards for a second and future second back when Edwards was still coveted after a poor rookie season and Davis had had his good year with the Titans. I traded Melvin Gordon for an actual, honest-to-goodness first when he still had legs (before Javonte came along I found a willing partner to do that deal). I scoured the wire for any longshot possibilities (I claimed James Robinson on waivers before Leonard Fournette was cut because I was up on the college game), and when time came, I flipped Robinson for a first and Dallas Goedert. I dealt Julio Jones for what I thought was a boon, but turned out to be a Chark. But Julio totally fell off the cliff. I also received Mostert in that deal. Used him a year, then pulled a second-round pick with him.

There's more than that. But really, I won't bore you with the details. I traded down in the draft when it benefitted me to do so, and I traded up when it did (I sent the 1.4 and 2.4 that I had acquired for the right to draft Ja'Marr Chase, which seems crazy in retrospect, but wasn't at the time). I traded away aging quasi-assets that I thought would bust for seconds and used them to either pick players or swap them for bona fides like in the Chase deal.

That said, I won but am probably going to go through some growing/rebuilding pains of my own as i mortgaged a bit to win this year. So maybe we can regale each other with rebuild stories soon.

But the key thing is you have to be proactive and take your lumps for two years. So draft accordingly and with attention to consensus and slotting, something I still need to work on. Scour the wire and hope to hit on guys so you can send them to contenders for seconds. What's your roster look like? What are your picks? You might have to just take lumps for a year or two if you're barren of both.

And Happy Fourth, wgoldsph. I hope this finds you well.

 

[Birdie048]

How do you go about turning around a team with no assets?

But the key thing is you have to be proactive and take your lumps for two years. So draft accordingly and with attention to consensus and slotting, something I still need to work on. Scour the wire and hope to hit on guys so you can send them to contenders for seconds. What's your roster look like? What are your picks? You might have to just take lumps for a year or two if you're barren of both.

Well said and I used a similar path to rebuild... in 2020 I took over a team that had 2 "real" assets (AJ Brown & 1.01). 2 years and >35 trades later, I have a competitive team, probably won't do more than make the playoffs 2023, but my goal was to be a strong franchise 2024 & beyond - not a 1 year wonder.
Not all trades will work out. I made 2 bad deals (TJ Hock & pick Top 10 for Ridley right before the bottom fell out & then traded for CMC while recovering from surgery & doped up). But some will pay off and you have to be proactive to find partners looking or willing to make a move that gets you toward your ultimate goal. It is a journey not a single transaction.

FWIW: my initial roster was Cam, Rivers, Carr, Phillip Lindsay, AJ Brown, Lockett, JJAW, Hardman, Parker, C.Patterson, 1.01, 3.01 picks
Today roster: TLaw, JLove, Charbs, ZWhite, KMiller, Tee Higgins, Scary Terry, Ridley, Addison, Sutton, APierce, Juju & 3 picks in Top 20 2024

Growth is a process... sometimes slow and painful.

 

[Rookiefever]

Here's a question I've often thought of, that seemingly I only get stuck with while looking at the sharks here...

How do you go about turning around a team with no assets? A team where you've picked up someone's leftovers or you had a run of good years and your studs all aged out at the same time leaving your cubbard barren to the point where you can't cobble together enough to trade for a 1st in next year's draft?

Hit the waiver wire hard and draft bpa regardless of need. A stud safety in your lineup is more valuable than a wr6.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Here's a question I've often thought of, that seemingly I only get stuck with while looking at the sharks here...

How do you go about turning around a team with no assets? A team where you've picked up someone's leftovers or you had a run of good years and your studs all aged out at the same time leaving your cubbard barren to the point where you can't cobble together enough to trade for a 1st in next year's draft?

I really like to stage my total rebuilds. With existing assets, I like to go after young QBs. Once those stables are full, I will look at rookie/young WRs and TEs. After that RBs. You'll get the most longevity out of the QBs, followed by the WRs and finally the RBs. SO it doesn't do you much good to load up on RBs immediately.

In my current rebuild (start of my 2nd year), I traded for Fields and TLaw spring/summer of last year. Fields was a gamble (and still is), but I could see a wide path where both he and TLaw become top 10 QBs. During the draft, I picked up Walker III, which is a deviation from my typical draft mode, but he was by far the BPA at my draft spot and I wasn't able to trade down for good value. My thought was to trade him after the season, which didn't materialize either. My WR were mostly very young guys to start with, so rode with them during the 1st season. This year, I put out a feeler trade offer that was accepted for the 1.01. So I ended up taking Bijan and traded up again with some other draft assets to grab JSN at 1.06. This season, my expectation is to be in the lower middle of the pack unless one or more of the young WRs hit. With a high-ish 2024 set of picks and more traded-for assets, I think I can coble together a contender by 2025 season, which was my plan.

It is definitely possible to contend in the 2-3 year range from a complete rebuild. It just takes a lot of trade offers, evaluation of talent 2 years away (especially for QBs) and some flexibility in the draft.

 

[Keith R]

Last year, there was a thread where people could post their dynasty draft results. Is there not a 2023 one yet or am I missing something? TIA