Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (10 Viewers)

[Gally]

How do you go about turning around a team with no assets?

Total brag here. I took over a last place team pretty devoid of any assets besides Patrick Mahomes about three years ago and won a championship last year. I took the 1.01 that I inherited my first year and traded down for three picks in the first two rounds. I traded any aging running backs that could have been of use to somebody for picks and players. For example, I traded Kenyan Drake (remember him?) for Terry McLaurin, who eventually became Miles Sanders for me (I dealt McLaurin and Khalil Herbert for Sanders and Allen Lazard last year when I needed a running back to win). I traded Corey Davis and Bryan Edwards for a second and future second back when Edwards was still coveted after a poor rookie season and Davis had had his good year with the Titans. I traded Melvin Gordon for an actual, honest-to-goodness first when he still had legs (before Javonte came along I found a willing partner to do that deal). I scoured the wire for any longshot possibilities (I claimed James Robinson on waivers before Leonard Fournette was cut because I was up on the college game), and when time came, I flipped Robinson for a first and Dallas Goedert. I dealt Julio Jones for what I thought was a boon, but turned out to be a Chark. But Julio totally fell off the cliff. I also received Mostert in that deal. Used him a year, then pulled a second-round pick with him.

There's more than that. But really, I won't bore you with the details. I traded down in the draft when it benefitted me to do so, and I traded up when it did (I sent the 1.4 and 2.4 that I had acquired for the right to draft Ja'Marr Chase, which seems crazy in retrospect, but wasn't at the time). I traded away aging quasi-assets that I thought would bust for seconds and used them to either pick players or swap them for bona fides like in the Chase deal.

That said, I won but am probably going to go through some growing/rebuilding pains of my own as i mortgaged a bit to win this year. So maybe we can regale each other with rebuild stories soon.

But the key thing is you have to be proactive and take your lumps for two years. So draft accordingly and with attention to consensus and slotting, something I still need to work on. Scour the wire and hope to hit on guys so you can send them to contenders for seconds. What's your roster look like? What are your picks? You might have to just take lumps for a year or two if you're barren of both.

And Happy Fourth, wgoldsph. I hope this finds you well.

The thing I would add is to not be afraid to make a mistake or "lose" a trade. Too many people trying to rebuild (and failing) are too afraid to make a mistake or give an asset away. They don't make moves because of indecisiveness or a lack of confidence in their evaluation ability. It's a game. Have fun and pull the trigger. You can always make another move if the current one doesn't pan out.

 

[Jayded]

Last year, there was a thread where people could post their dynasty draft results. Is there not a 2023 one yet or am I missing something? TIA

Here you go : https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/post-nfl-draft-dynasty-or-devy-drafts.808315/

I compiled a summary on page 5 that I used as a market proxy for my own drafts.

 

[smbkrypt24]

How do you go about turning around a team with no assets?

Total brag here. I took over a last place team pretty devoid of any assets besides Patrick Mahomes about three years ago and won a championship last year. I took the 1.01 that I inherited my first year and traded down for three picks in the first two rounds. I traded any aging running backs that could have been of use to somebody for picks and players. For example, I traded Kenyan Drake (remember him?) for Terry McLaurin, who eventually became Miles Sanders for me (I dealt McLaurin and Khalil Herbert for Sanders and Allen Lazard last year when I needed a running back to win). I traded Corey Davis and Bryan Edwards for a second and future second back when Edwards was still coveted after a poor rookie season and Davis had had his good year with the Titans. I traded Melvin Gordon for an actual, honest-to-goodness first when he still had legs (before Javonte came along I found a willing partner to do that deal). I scoured the wire for any longshot possibilities (I claimed James Robinson on waivers before Leonard Fournette was cut because I was up on the college game), and when time came, I flipped Robinson for a first and Dallas Goedert. I dealt Julio Jones for what I thought was a boon, but turned out to be a Chark. But Julio totally fell off the cliff. I also received Mostert in that deal. Used him a year, then pulled a second-round pick with him.

There's more than that. But really, I won't bore you with the details. I traded down in the draft when it benefitted me to do so, and I traded up when it did (I sent the 1.4 and 2.4 that I had acquired for the right to draft Ja'Marr Chase, which seems crazy in retrospect, but wasn't at the time). I traded away aging quasi-assets that I thought would bust for seconds and used them to either pick players or swap them for bona fides like in the Chase deal.

That said, I won but am probably going to go through some growing/rebuilding pains of my own as i mortgaged a bit to win this year. So maybe we can regale each other with rebuild stories soon.

But the key thing is you have to be proactive and take your lumps for two years. So draft accordingly and with attention to consensus and slotting, something I still need to work on. Scour the wire and hope to hit on guys so you can send them to contenders for seconds. What's your roster look like? What are your picks? You might have to just take lumps for a year or two if you're barren of both.

And Happy Fourth, wgoldsph. I hope this finds you well.

The thing I would add is to not be afraid to make a mistake or "lose" a trade. Too many people trying to rebuild (and failing) are too afraid to make a mistake or give an asset away. They don't make moves because of indecisiveness or a lack of confidence in their evaluation ability. It's a game. Have fun and pull the trigger. You can always make another move if the current one doesn't pan out.

This is good advice. Often times we are stuck on getting value from the actual player in trades. We can get value from not having that player on your roster and from that asset declining rapidly off your roster.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Growth is a process... sometimes slow and painful.

Yep - took me 2 full seasons to rebuild my 12-teamer, and that was *with* assets to deal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is good advice. Often times we are stuck on getting value from the actual player in trades. We can get value from not having that player on your roster and from that asset declining rapidly off your roster.

100%

While I’m against “tanking” (deliberately setting bad lineups, etc) one can deal valuable players for picks, with the result being a very bad no good terrible roster that might get a top pick.

So absolutely - deaing away players can totally help your team even if you’re not getting players back in the immediate (or if those players are prospects who have yet to ascend)

 

[joey]

Olave's value?

I feel like an early 1st this year plus a 2nd (like mid-to-late) next year is very fair. If this year's first gets JSN, it feels like Olave is worth a 2024 2nd round more than JSN. Thoughts?

 

[rockaction]

I feel like an early 1st this year plus a 2nd (like mid-to-late) next year is very fair

Light. If you're hoping to acquire him, better bring more than that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I feel like an early 1st this year plus a 2nd (like mid-to-late) next year is very fair

Light. If you're hoping to acquire him, better bring more than that.

And if selling him, ask for more than that.

 

[titusbramble]

Olave's value?

I feel like an early 1st this year plus a 2nd (like mid-to-late) next year is very fair. If this year's first gets JSN, it feels like Olave is worth a 2024 2nd round more than JSN. Thoughts?

I assume this is in relation to the trade you posted in the other thread, but I wouldn't be taking less than an early first and either another first, or a player that is worth a first.

As my league is superflex, I'd have a difficult decision to make if I was offered any sort of trade that involved a QB1

 

[joey]

Olave's value?

I feel like an early 1st this year plus a 2nd (like mid-to-late) next year is very fair. If this year's first gets JSN, it feels like Olave is worth a 2024 2nd round more than JSN. Thoughts?

I assume this is in relation to the trade you posted in the other thread, but I wouldn't be taking less than an early first and either another first, or a player that is worth a first.

As my league is superflex, I'd have a difficult decision to make if I was offered any sort of trade that involved a QB1

Yeah, I think this owner has a bit of trade mania right now, so I personally think he sold a little low as well, and was happy to accept.

great to read here that folks think that the Olave side is the winner but I asked here because I was so dead set on picking JSN at the 1.03 this year (on a WR-needy team) that it definitely inflated the value of that pick in my brain a bit, as I was dreaming about JSN’s potential. I imagine many folks here have this same kind of cognitive dissonance when you’re coming up with a draft plan and obsessing over your team, and then an unexpected deal comes in from left field that makes you reset for a second to make sure that you‘re being objective.

thanks for the replies, guys.

 

[kutta]

Olave's value?

I feel like an early 1st this year plus a 2nd (like mid-to-late) next year is very fair. If this year's first gets JSN, it feels like Olave is worth a 2024 2nd round more than JSN. Thoughts?

I assume this is in relation to the trade you posted in the other thread, but I wouldn't be taking less than an early first and either another first, or a player that is worth a first.

As my league is superflex, I'd have a difficult decision to make if I was offered any sort of trade that involved a QB1

Yeah, I think this owner has a bit of trade mania right now, so I personally think he sold a little low as well, and was happy to accept.

great to read here that folks think that the Olave side is the winner but I asked here because I was so dead set on picking JSN at the 1.03 this year (on a WR-needy team) that it definitely inflated the value of that pick in my brain a bit, as I was dreaming about JSN’s potential. I imagine many folks here have this same kind of cognitive dissonance when you’re coming up with a draft plan and obsessing over your team, and then an unexpected deal comes in from left field that makes you reset for a second to make sure that you‘re being objective.

thanks for the replies, guys.

I know exactly how you feel. I drafted JSN at 1.03 and I'm super emotionally attached to the little fella. I honestly would have a hard time giving up him and a second for Olave right this very moment because of that.

 

[Loipz]

Has anyone seen Jameson Williams moved? Curious to see whereabouts people are seeing him go for

 

[Da Franchise]

I feel like an early 1st this year plus a 2nd (like mid-to-late) next year is very fair

Light. If you're hoping to acquire him, better bring more than that.

And if selling him, ask for more than that.

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

 

[rockaction]

I drafted JSN at 1.03 and I'm super emotionally attached to the little fella

I think he's a bit bigger than Olave when it's all said and done. Indeed. By about zero inches and ten pounds.

 

[rockaction]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

 

[Da Franchise]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

Ok boomer

 

[rockaction]

Ok boomer

Oh dear me. My parents are boomers. Firmly X'ed out. Which is still old.

Back to the discussion, though. You are indeed paying a premium of knowledge with Olave. You know what he can do in the pros. With JSN, it's a wildcard a bit because of that long speed. But his agility numbers are sick, so who knows? But with the Olave vs. JSN debate, you're paying for two things: outside 4.39 speed and the knowledge of a pro season in the books.

 

[Da Franchise]

Ok boomer

Oh dear me. My parents are boomers. Firmly X'ed out. Which is still old.

Back to the discussion, though. You are indeed paying a premium of knowledge with Olave. You know what he can do in the pros. With JSN, it's a wildcard a bit because of that long speed. But his agility numbers are sick, so who knows? But with the Olave vs. JSN debate, you're paying for two things: outside 4.39 speed and the knowledge of a pro season in the books.

Yep totally. I just don’t think Olave has the crazy high ceiling, while JSN is yet to be determined. If forced to choose between them I’d rather have JSN because my FFPC brain only really cares about finding studs. I label them diamonds, and I’ve made up my mind Olave isn’t one. But yeah I’d want some solid premium for it.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

You aren't wrong, at least historically. Quick, name 3 WRs in the Hall of Fame who played the majority of their snaps in the slot.

 

[Da Franchise]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

You aren't wrong, at least historically. Quick, name 3 WRs in the Hall of Fame who played the majority of their snaps in the slot.

Game has changed. Ditka is not walking through those doors.

 

[kutta]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

You aren't wrong, at least historically. Quick, name 3 WRs in the Hall of Fame who played the majority of their snaps in the slot.

Kupp, St. Brown, Tyreek, Godwin, Lamb, and Jefferson all play a lot in the slot. They seem pretty good.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

You aren't wrong, at least historically. Quick, name 3 WRs in the Hall of Fame who played the majority of their snaps in the slot.

Kupp, St. Brown, Tyreek, Godwin, Lamb, and Jefferson all play a lot in the slot. They seem pretty good.

I'll give you Kupp, Lamb, and St Brown, but Tyreek played out of the slot less than 30% of the time and Jefferson was less than 20%. My point still stands, though. Historically the slot receiver wasn't the 1st or 2nd option on the team.

 

[rockaction]

Kupp, St. Brown, Tyreek, Godwin, Lamb, and Jefferson all play a lot in the slot. They seem pretty good.

Hill and Jefferson, as InDitkaWeTrust noted, do not play even close to a majority of their snaps from the slot nor are they running traditional slot routes.

A.J. Brown took offense to a Lamb comparison this offseason, noting that Lamb played the slot and that what he and Lamb did were two different things.

All other things constant, it's the outside guys who are considered better, and the pay scale for each strength/position reflects that. Lamb would do well to earn an outside role on the 'Boys, or his next contract won't look anything like he wants it to. See Adam Harstad's work on salaries at WR if you're looking for proof of that.

Outside guys are better receivers for the most part. Sure, you get a Kupp or an Amon-Ra St. Brown that are just so smart that they can find the soft spot anywhere in a defense, but that skill set isn't the skill set of the outside guys, who need to be better, faster, and stronger.

 

[kutta]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

You aren't wrong, at least historically. Quick, name 3 WRs in the Hall of Fame who played the majority of their snaps in the slot.

Kupp, St. Brown, Tyreek, Godwin, Lamb, and Jefferson all play a lot in the slot. They seem pretty good.

I'll give you Kupp, Lamb, and St Brown, but Tyreek played out of the slot less than 30% of the time and Jefferson was less than 20%. My point still stands, though. Historically the slot receiver wasn't the 1st or 2nd option on the team.

We can slice and dice many different ways.
Jefferson caught 44 for 710 out of the slot last year which is about 40 percent of his production. That’s not trivial.
Tyreek caught 48 for 601 out of the slot, which is close to 40 percent of his production also (for catches, 35 percent for yards).
Times are changing.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

You aren't wrong, at least historically. Quick, name 3 WRs in the Hall of Fame who played the majority of their snaps in the slot.

Kupp, St. Brown, Tyreek, Godwin, Lamb, and Jefferson all play a lot in the slot. They seem pretty good.

I'll give you Kupp, Lamb, and St Brown, but Tyreek played out of the slot less than 30% of the time and Jefferson was less than 20%. My point still stands, though. Historically the slot receiver wasn't the 1st or 2nd option on the team.

We can slice and dice many different ways.
Jefferson caught 44 for 710 out of the slot last year which is about 40 percent of his production. That’s not trivial.
Tyreek caught 48 for 601 out of the slot, which is close to 40 percent of his production also (for catches, 35 percent for yards).
Times are changing.

Interesting stat, thanks for that! My only rebuttal would be that those two are good enough to put up stellar numbers on the outside that it stands to reason they would put up great numbers in the slot against the nickel/slot corner.

 

[barackdhouse]

Ok boomer

Oh dear me. My parents are boomers. Firmly X'ed out. Which is still old.

Back to the discussion, though. You are indeed paying a premium of knowledge with Olave. You know what he can do in the pros. With JSN, it's a wildcard a bit because of that long speed. But his agility numbers are sick, so who knows? But with the Olave vs. JSN debate, you're paying for two things: outside 4.39 speed and the knowledge of a pro season in the books.

Yep totally. I just don’t think Olave has the crazy high ceiling, while JSN is yet to be determined. If forced to choose between them I’d rather have JSN because my FFPC brain only really cares about finding studs. I label them diamonds, and I’ve made up my mind Olave isn’t one. But yeah I’d want some solid premium for it.

not with Derek Carr anyway

 

[kutta]

You’re probably right about the price, but there’s a very good chance JSN becomes the more valuable player. There should be a decent tax though because Olave has shown it already. I just don’t see him as a WR1. Just a really, really good WR2 for a long time, which is plenty valuable.

I am going to die on the hill about outside vs. slot receivers, aren't I? JSN could become more valuable for sure, but my old ways of thinking are telling me to take the speed guy who runs great routes on the perimeter.

You aren't wrong, at least historically. Quick, name 3 WRs in the Hall of Fame who played the majority of their snaps in the slot.

Kupp, St. Brown, Tyreek, Godwin, Lamb, and Jefferson all play a lot in the slot. They seem pretty good.

I'll give you Kupp, Lamb, and St Brown, but Tyreek played out of the slot less than 30% of the time and Jefferson was less than 20%. My point still stands, though. Historically the slot receiver wasn't the 1st or 2nd option on the team.

We can slice and dice many different ways.
Jefferson caught 44 for 710 out of the slot last year which is about 40 percent of his production. That’s not trivial.
Tyreek caught 48 for 601 out of the slot, which is close to 40 percent of his production also (for catches, 35 percent for yards).
Times are changing.

Interesting stat, thanks for that! My only rebuttal would be that those two are good enough to put up stellar numbers on the outside that it stands to reason they would put up great numbers in the slot against the nickel/slot corner.

Agreed. I think this started with a conversation about JSN, and I think he’s that good too.

 

[rockaction]

not with Derek Carr anyway

And JSN does with Geno? Geno is still giving me a bit of pause and I'm not ready to anoint the Seattle QB situation as totally settled by any means. I think most fantasy analysts have done so, but it was about 3/4 of a productive year from Geno.

Now, will they likely win enough to stay away from a truly franchise-changing QB like Williams? Probably. But that won't stop Seattle from the free agent market or even a trade.

 

[barackdhouse]

not with Derek Carr anyway

And JSN does with Geno? Geno is still giving me a bit of pause and I'm not ready to anoint the Seattle QB situation as totally settled by any means. I think most fantasy analysts have done so, but it was about 3/4 of a productive year from Geno.

Now, will they likely win enough to stay away from a truly franchise-changing QB like Williams? Probably. But that won't stop Seattle from the free agent market or even a trade.

My bad, I wasn't saying anything about Seattle - if that was the reference. I was just speaking to Olave. I think he can absolutely dominate, just not likely with Carr. I agree about Geno possibly being more shaky than people realize. And even if he plays really solid, I have zero idea how the Seattle WR room will shake out. Metcalf is the only one I sort of feel good about.

 

[rockaction]

My bad, I wasn't saying anything about Seattle - if that was the reference.

Oh, I thought you were comparing JSN's situation at QB with Olave. Apparently you weren't. My bad also, then.

At least we sort of agree about Geno. I don't even feel good about DK, and I roster him in my main league. Establish The Run had DK as an overall WR1 candidate the other day on Twitter. I doubt that highly. He's got WR 13-36 written all over him. But I tend to be pessimistic about premier players that are in the WR1 range and over-optimistic about my WR5s and so on.

 

[barackdhouse]

My bad, I wasn't saying anything about Seattle - if that was the reference.

Oh, I thought you were comparing JSN's situation at QB with Olave. Apparently you weren't. My bad also, then.

At least we sort of agree about Geno. I don't even feel good about DK, and I roster him in my main league. Establish The Run had DK as an overall WR1 candidate the other day on Twitter. I doubt that highly. He's got WR 13-36 written all over him.

That's a big range of outcomes. Not much of a stretch to say that's his range. Even though you're right.

Ok well so I think Olave is the undisputed alpha in New Orleans whereas I think Seattle is more muddled. I think my Metcalf-tinted glasses want to see JSN eat into what Lockett is doing. I want to say that is the most likely outcome, because Metcalf is too dangerous not to use much the same as they have so far in his career. It is at least possible Metcalf has continued to develop his route running and technique to the point that his best season could still be yet to come. I'd say likely even. And Overall WR1 isn't out of that range IMO, but I'm taking the over all day and still think they run the ball too much for any Seattle WR to truly be in that discussion. Low end WR1/high end WR2 feels about right to me as his career ceiling for a single season. But he's also the kind of guy that wins weeks and that is enough for me. The rest is trying to find a level of precision that we probably aren't capable of.

If New Orleans gets a real QB I think Olave has a path to overall WR1 (and again I'm taking the over) or to at least consistent season-long top-12 numbers. They're different receivers but they're probably pretty close to even value wise. My ten cents.

 

[rockaction]

That's a big range of outcomes. Not much of a stretch to say that's his range. Even though you're right.

That's true. I guess if I'm going to go on about estimates, I should at least give a reasonable range. How about WR18-26? That's where I see DK sitting.

 

[Rookiefever]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

 

[titusbramble]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

Also interested in this to some extent, guy in my league has Chase, Lamb, Wilson and Waddle (as well as Pittman, who he is shopping but asking too much for), so a price check to see if I could make a big move would be handy

 

[humpback]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

Username checks out.

I think you're quite light here. It would be different if you had say the #2 pick in this draft, but future projected mid to late picks aren't worth nearly as much. These are all young players that even rebuilding teams are looking to build around so they won't come at a discount.

 

[JamboTaylor]

Charbonnet value check please.

Worth a 25 1st?

 

[eighsse2]

Charbonnet value check please.

Worth a 25 1st?

Usually better to ask for the price check before making the deal I replied in the completed trades thread: totally dependednt on what that pick ends up being. I wouldn't be happy if it gets down into that ~6 range or lower. But #1 or #2? Heck yeah.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

Also interested in this to some extent, guy in my league has Chase, Lamb, Wilson and Waddle (as well as Pittman, who he is shopping but asking too much for), so a price check to see if I could make a big move would be handy

I'd be hard pressed to let go any of those young, talented WRs for 2 random 1sts and a 2nd. Those are the types of players with which you build a dynasty.

 

[Rookiefever]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

Also interested in this to some extent, guy in my league has Chase, Lamb, Wilson and Waddle (as well as Pittman, who he is shopping but asking too much for), so a price check to see if I could make a big move would be handy

I'd be hard pressed to let go any of those young, talented WRs for 2 random 1sts and a 2nd. Those are the types of players with which you build a dynasty.

What would guys be wanting/willing on top?

 

[JamboTaylor]

Flowers or Pickens?

 

[JohnnyU]

Flowers or Pickens?

I prefer Flowers today. Ask me again on 7/18/2024.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

Also interested in this to some extent, guy in my league has Chase, Lamb, Wilson and Waddle (as well as Pittman, who he is shopping but asking too much for), so a price check to see if I could make a big move would be handy

I'd be hard pressed to let go any of those young, talented WRs for 2 random 1sts and a 2nd. Those are the types of players with which you build a dynasty.

What would guys be wanting/willing on top?

It really depends on the makeup of the league. If it's superflex, I'd want a promising young QB like Fields or TLaw and a late 1st. In 1QB leagues, you'd really have to overpay me to get one of those guys. 3 1sts one of which has a good chance to be pick 1-4 maybe? Again, all of those guys are dynasty league building blocks. Trading them away does more harm than good to a redbuilding team, IMO.

 

[Rookiefever]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

Also interested in this to some extent, guy in my league has Chase, Lamb, Wilson and Waddle (as well as Pittman, who he is shopping but asking too much for), so a price check to see if I could make a big move would be handy

I'd be hard pressed to let go any of those young, talented WRs for 2 random 1sts and a 2nd. Those are the types of players with which you build a dynasty.

What would guys be wanting/willing on top?

It really depends on the makeup of the league. If it's superflex, I'd want a promising young QB like Fields or TLaw and a late 1st. In 1QB leagues, you'd really have to overpay me to get one of those guys. 3 1sts one of which has a good chance to be pick 1-4 maybe? Again, all of those guys are dynasty league building blocks. Trading them away does more harm than good to a redbuilding team, IMO.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a deal like that for a young stud qb in super flex. First might be on the wrong side there

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Thoughts on values for guys like lamb , garret Wilson and aj brown’s cost in draft picks? I’m competing so they’ll be late picks except for a 3rd I traded for. 10 team league.

I was thinking 24&25 1sts and a 24 2nd might be enough for Wilson. Lb and aj might take an additional 25 2nd?

Also interested in this to some extent, guy in my league has Chase, Lamb, Wilson and Waddle (as well as Pittman, who he is shopping but asking too much for), so a price check to see if I could make a big move would be handy

I'd be hard pressed to let go any of those young, talented WRs for 2 random 1sts and a 2nd. Those are the types of players with which you build a dynasty.

What would guys be wanting/willing on top?

It really depends on the makeup of the league. If it's superflex, I'd want a promising young QB like Fields or TLaw and a late 1st. In 1QB leagues, you'd really have to overpay me to get one of those guys. 3 1sts one of which has a good chance to be pick 1-4 maybe? Again, all of those guys are dynasty league building blocks. Trading them away does more harm than good to a redbuilding team, IMO.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a deal like that for a young stud qb in super flex. First might be on the wrong side there

That would be my starting point if a contender is trying to pry a young stud WR out of my hands. Again, those WRs are dynasty building blocks that will produce for you for years and years. I'd have a hard time giving up any one of them without getting a strong overpay.

 

[rockaction]

What needs to be added to a guy like DK Metcalf to acquire Garrett Wilson?

My mind is rebelling against deeds undone. What needs to be added to Garrett Wilson to acquire Chase or Jefferson?

Discuss at your leisure.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

What needs to be added to a guy like DK Metcalf to acquire Garrett Wilson?

My mind is rebelling against deeds undone. What needs to be added to Garrett Wilson to acquire Chase or Jefferson?

Discuss at your leisure.

I'd need a late 24 1st to give up Wilson for DK, mostly because of QB concerns on both sides of the trade.
I'd need an early 24 1st to give up Chase for Wilson because Burrow is a lock at QB for CIN and Wilson has QB concerns in 1-2 years.

I'm high on Wilson if that matters at all.

 

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I'm high on Wilson if that matters at all.

It does. Thank you for responding.

 

[Boston]

What needs to be added to a guy like DK Metcalf to acquire Garrett Wilson?

My mind is rebelling against deeds undone. What needs to be added to Garrett Wilson to acquire Chase or Jefferson?

Discuss at your leisure.

Not to be short but I would not have any interest in DK being a core piece if I was gonna give up Garrett Wilson...I would have to be totally overwhelmed to move him and for me DK's value is not near Wilson's.

As for the other one everything depends on what both rosters look like...a weak answer but I would need to see what I am willing to give up from my roster that doesn't kill me that also makes sense for the other guy.

 

[Rookiefever]

What needs to be added to a guy like DK Metcalf to acquire Garrett Wilson?

My mind is rebelling against deeds undone. What needs to be added to Garrett Wilson to acquire Chase or Jefferson?

Discuss at your leisure.

I'd need a late 24 1st to give up Wilson for DK, mostly because of QB concerns on both sides of the trade.
I'd need an early 24 1st to give up Chase for Wilson because Burrow is a lock at QB for CIN and Wilson has QB concerns in 1-2 years.

I'm high on Wilson if that matters at all.

Seems your pretty high on Dk as well. I’d easily send two late firsts and Dk for Wilson.

 

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Not to be short but I would not have any interest in DK being a core piece if I was gonna give up Garrett Wilson...I would have to be totally overwhelmed to move him and for me DK's value is not near Wilson's.

As for the other one everything depends on what both rosters look like...a weak answer but I would need to see what I am willing to give up from my roster that doesn't kill me that also makes sense for the other guy.

Wow. But as I'm reading and thinking, I'm thinking your value on Wilson is astronomical. DK is WR14 by KTC, and from 14-16 in most other rankings. Wilson is or should be WR5 or so. That's certainly a disparity, but not by as much as you indicate. But that's why we have these discussions. To gauge how people are feeling about it.

My thought is that Chase should need at least a first+Wilson, not just some guy off of your "roster that doesn't kill [you]."

That's putting Wilson equivalent to Chase, which he's nowhere near yet in value. If that's his value, I'm wayyyyy out in dynasty and at ADP.