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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (3 Viewers)

Moving Bowers for potential deals:
1.04 + Pitts
1.07 + 1.10 + Swift
2.01 + Odunze +Njoku

Let me preface this by saying that you have the number three overall player in TE Prem behind Jefferson and Chase. With that in mind, the deals.

I do not like the Pitts deal. It's not even close. I've never been high on Pitts, but there's no there there, and Bowers is worth way more than the 1.4.

I don't think the second or third deals do it for me, either. I don't see what acquiring Swift gets you. They're drafting somebody to take his place. Ben Johnson got rid of him in Detroit, so I don't care what Johnson says, there was something about his game they didn't like.

The 2.01, Odunze, Njoku deal is probably the closest, but even that's contingent on a lot of things going right.

That said, you are aging out at WR and you're thin at RB. I just don't see how breaking Bowers down into pieces gets you anywhere. It seems to me that those trades never work out like you want them to. You've actually got a decent TE room that I'm jealous of.

Your QB room is set.

It's your RB room that's really in flux, although you have Charbonnet for your Walker.

I don't know. At first blush, I don't like those deals.
Second this.
3rded lol.

Just to keep banging on the drum; Bowers last year, as a rookie, put up 319 points in my nonTEP league. TE12 was Hunter Henry who put up 178. That is 8.3 ppg above "replacement". That is wild to the point of league breaking. Even JJ, valued in dynasty how he is, finishing WR2 was only 4.4ppg above WR12.

In other words, Brock Bowers should probably be considered practically immovable in all dynasty leagues regardless of format. The only time I can even see a case for it is if the owner's roster is last place, bottom of the barrel, broken beyond repair and needing a complete multi-year rebuild. And that's only if he's even able to find another owner who has enough 1sts and 2nds to trade for him.

None of the TEs this year come close to Bowers IMO; not to mention TEs need so much outside help from scheme, playcalling, roster, etc. it's just so unlikely to hit in the way Bowers has even with exceptional talent. Outside the McBride owner, you'll be stomping your opponents at TE every single week. Pat yourself on the back for drafting Bowers and enjoy what will probably be the best positional advantage in dynasty for the next decade. Probably hyperbole there, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out true either.
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
You have some good pieces, but I would punt on this year. I'm not sure how tiering off of Nico for a QB2 helps much.

I'd probably try to move DJ Moore, Warren, and Freiermuth for 2026 picks. I would not move Maye, Nico, or McBride for sure.

TE is deep in this class. The 2.02 may get you one with upside.

I'm my mind, the 1.02 is where it gets harder. I can't see picking there. I don't think I'd want anyone there (Cam or RBs) for the value of that pick. I think I'd probably sell it to the highest bidder on draft day. Ideally you could trade down and pick up Warren or Loveland and gain a pick or player.
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
You have some good pieces, but I would punt on this year. I'm not sure how tiering off of Nico for a QB2 helps much.

I'd probably try to move DJ Moore, Warren, and Freiermuth for 2026 picks. I would not move Maye, Nico, or McBride for sure.

TE is deep in this class. The 2.02 may get you one with upside.

I'm my mind, the 1.02 is where it gets harder. I can't see picking there. I don't think I'd want anyone there (Cam or RBs) for the value of that pick. I think I'd probably sell it to the highest bidder on draft day. Ideally you could trade down and pick up Warren or Loveland and gain a pick or player.

Thanks for your input. While I agree this team isn’t contending this year, I’m not sure I can bring myself to trade for 2026 picks knowing the general consensus on that draft is that it will be quite a bit weaker than this 2025 class. I don’t hate the idea of trading 1.02 but I think I’d prefer to bring back a young stud or multiple shots at this 2025 draft (in the top 15-20 picks) in the process. Going to be a fun couple months.
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
Think there are a multitude of ways you could play this well, some you already touched on, and none jump out to me as exceptionally better than another. Your roster is reasonably young, and McBride (like I just posted above) is a great positional advantage. I'm also (an owner and biased) high on Pearsall. Just seems like a perfect fit for Shanahan both in skill and personality/demeanor. I'd hold onto all of your players tbh, (outside maybe seeing if you can get a decent pick or two for DJ Moore, especially in 2026) and as much as I usually advise against this, be comfortable spending a year or two in middle of the pack purgatory. You're probably not a player or two away from a ship so don't get impatient and sell the farm for one if it doesn't get you in firm contention with the top roster or two of your league. Your teams window looks to be in the process of opening, not closing.

RB is your weakest spot, and you have the potential to land 3 in this draft that could all start contributing as soon as this year. Walking out of the draft with Hampton in the first, Kaleb Johnson/Skattebo in the second, and whoever has the best landing spot among that next tier of Giddens/Tuten/Neil/Harvey/Sampson etc. would I'd say at the worst put you middle of your league as far as the RB position. I'd wager in the top 1/3rd by 2026.

As low as I am on the Patriots, I think Maye is a solid QB. Unlike some of the other 24 rookies, we saw a lot of him last year; I think more than enough to feel good about him as a QB1 in dynasty (community agrees and has him as QB10 on KTC). And they are almost definitely adding weapons for him in this draft, I personally think Tet is a better than 50% chance at this point. If Maye had no trepidation about throwing tight window balls to Demario Douglass and Kendrick Bourne.... well then he would be Tet's newest and bestest friend.

As for building out at the position I think you'll have to wait till 2026. Though in recent mocks I've watched and done, I personally think there are worse things to do with your 4th round pick than throw a flier out there on Jalen Milroe. I wouldn't use 3.02 on him based on what I've still seen available there, and Milroe might not make it all the way to the 4th in some drafts, but I've seen him there in more than I haven't at this point. His rushing upside alone I think is very worth the flier though. Especially in a SF, just consider the upside outcome of hitting on a WR/RB/TE with your 4th round pick vs hitting on a QB who can rush for 600+ yards a season. Even if he's only viable for 2-3 years, I think he's a good short term solution for your situation.

Use the rest of your 2026 picks to scattershot at the WR position. Hopefully you can get another one or two for selling DJ Moore. And if all 3 of your RB picks from this years draft hit, could even consider selling one to pick up a WR if you don't hit on anything.
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
Think there are a multitude of ways you could play this well, some you already touched on, and none jump out to me as exceptionally better than another. Your roster is reasonably young, and McBride (like I just posted above) is a great positional advantage. I'm also (an owner and biased) high on Pearsall. Just seems like a perfect fit for Shanahan both in skill and personality/demeanor. I'd hold onto all of your players tbh, (outside maybe seeing if you can get a decent pick or two for DJ Moore, especially in 2026) and as much as I usually advise against this, be comfortable spending a year or two in middle of the pack purgatory. You're probably not a player or two away from a ship so don't get impatient and sell the farm for one if it doesn't get you in firm contention with the top roster or two of your league. Your teams window looks to be in the process of opening, not closing.

RB is your weakest spot, and you have the potential to land 3 in this draft that could all start contributing as soon as this year. Walking out of the draft with Hampton in the first, Kaleb Johnson/Skattebo in the second, and whoever has the best landing spot among that next tier of Giddens/Tuten/Neil/Harvey/Sampson etc. would I'd say at the worst put you middle of your league as far as the RB position. I'd wager in the top 1/3rd by 2026.

As low as I am on the Patriots, I think Maye is a solid QB. Unlike some of the other 24 rookies, we saw a lot of him last year; I think more than enough to feel good about him as a QB1 in dynasty (community agrees and has him as QB10 on KTC). And they are almost definitely adding weapons for him in this draft, I personally think Tet is a better than 50% chance at this point. If Maye had no trepidation about throwing tight window balls to Demario Douglass and Kendrick Bourne.... well then he would be Tet's newest and bestest friend.

As for building out at the position I think you'll have to wait till 2026. Though in recent mocks I've watched and done, I personally think there are worse things to do with your 4th round pick than throw a flier out there on Jalen Milroe. I wouldn't use 3.02 on him based on what I've still seen available there, and Milroe might not make it all the way to the 4th in some drafts, but I've seen him there in more than I haven't at this point. His rushing upside alone I think is very worth the flier though. Especially in a SF, just consider the upside outcome of hitting on a WR/RB/TE with your 4th round pick vs hitting on a QB who can rush for 600+ yards a season. Even if he's only viable for 2-3 years, I think he's a good short term solution for your situation.

Use the rest of your 2026 picks to scattershot at the WR position. Hopefully you can get another one or two for selling DJ Moore. And if all 3 of your RB picks from this years draft hit, could even consider selling one to pick up a WR if you don't hit on anything.
That's what makes this so fun. There's a million ways to look at this. Personally, I don't think there is any way this team competes with Maye as the QB1. This is a really bad year to start a rebuild. As much as this draft looks good from the RB standpoint, I would not want to build around them. I'd target 2026 and even 2027 to try to land QBs/WRs then.
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
You have some good pieces, but I would punt on this year. I'm not sure how tiering off of Nico for a QB2 helps much.

I'd probably try to move DJ Moore, Warren, and Freiermuth for 2026 picks. I would not move Maye, Nico, or McBride for sure.

TE is deep in this class. The 2.02 may get you one with upside.

I'm my mind, the 1.02 is where it gets harder. I can't see picking there. I don't think I'd want anyone there (Cam or RBs) for the value of that pick. I think I'd probably sell it to the highest bidder on draft day. Ideally you could trade down and pick up Warren or Loveland and gain a pick or player.
yeah, Nico is a player you build around.

I’d probably take the best QB available, or see if someone with a solid young QB to give you wants the pick to take Jeanty.

See if you can land a decent RB at the 2.02 (seems likely) and deal Warren to a win-now team. Someone will be high on him.

Plan on having a high draft pick next year.

keep McBride, try to get a young player or picks for ‘mouth. There are still believers out there.

Is there a bench you’re not showing us? Taxi squad? Hard to suggest moves when I don’t know the pieces.
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
You have some good pieces, but I would punt on this year. I'm not sure how tiering off of Nico for a QB2 helps much.

I'd probably try to move DJ Moore, Warren, and Freiermuth for 2026 picks. I would not move Maye, Nico, or McBride for sure.

TE is deep in this class. The 2.02 may get you one with upside.

I'm my mind, the 1.02 is where it gets harder. I can't see picking there. I don't think I'd want anyone there (Cam or RBs) for the value of that pick. I think I'd probably sell it to the highest bidder on draft day. Ideally you could trade down and pick up Warren or Loveland and gain a pick or player.
yeah, Nico is a player you build around.

I’d probably take the best QB available, or see if someone with a solid young QB to give you wants the pick to take Jeanty.

See if you can land a decent RB at the 2.02 (seems likely) and deal Warren to a win-now team. Someone will be high on him.

Plan on having a high draft pick next year.

keep McBride, try to get a young player or picks for ‘mouth. There are still believers out there.

Is there a bench you’re not showing us? Taxi squad? Hard to suggest moves when I don’t know the pieces.
Piggybacking on HSG's analysis, I'd keep Nico and McBride for sure. WR and TE seem to have the most longevity in dynasty. I would consider trading Higgins for a chronically undervalued QB like Goff. Go RB heavy in the draft, take some WR flyers and plan to compete in 2 years.
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
You have some good pieces, but I would punt on this year. I'm not sure how tiering off of Nico for a QB2 helps much.

I'd probably try to move DJ Moore, Warren, and Freiermuth for 2026 picks. I would not move Maye, Nico, or McBride for sure.

TE is deep in this class. The 2.02 may get you one with upside.

I'm my mind, the 1.02 is where it gets harder. I can't see picking there. I don't think I'd want anyone there (Cam or RBs) for the value of that pick. I think I'd probably sell it to the highest bidder on draft day. Ideally you could trade down and pick up Warren or Loveland and gain a pick or player.
yeah, Nico is a player you build around.

I’d probably take the best QB available, or see if someone with a solid young QB to give you wants the pick to take Jeanty.

See if you can land a decent RB at the 2.02 (seems likely) and deal Warren to a win-now team. Someone will be high on him.

Plan on having a high draft pick next year.

keep McBride, try to get a young player or picks for ‘mouth. There are still believers out there.

Is there a bench you’re not showing us? Taxi squad? Hard to suggest moves when I don’t know the pieces.

28 man rosters so I definitely left out the ancillary pieces. Nothing too exciting beyond what I listed. Appreciate the reply and ideas.

a lot of you think Nico is a clear hold and someone to build around. I’m seeing a guy who is 26 and will likely be starting to lose value this time next year. Just like AJB who is 27 and suddenly ranked outside the top 12 most places. And there’s also a ton of negativity about the Texans o-line and Stroud on this board which gives me pause about holding Nico if I’m 2+ years away from contending.

Would getting London+ for Nico make sense?
 
Would getting London+ for Nico make sense?
Depends on whether or not you’re right about Nico being a declining asset. It also depends on what the + is.

My counterpoint is that with an improving stroud he has room to grow in value in 2025.

Would be interested in seeing your bench players - might be some value there for trading.
 
Would be interested in seeing your bench players - might be some value there for trading.

QB:
Jake Browning
Trey Lance
Drake Maye
Gardner Minshew
Aiden O’Connell

RB:
Tyler Allgeier
Gus Edwards
D’Ernest Johnson
Kendre Miller
Jaylen Warren
Rachaad White

WR:
Tutu Atwell
Kayshon Boutte
Tyler Boyd
Nico Collins
Jacob Cowing
Demario Douglas
Troy Franklin
Tee Higgins
Quentin Johnston
D.J. Moore
Ricky Pearsall
Ja’Lynn Polk

TE:
Jaheim Bell
Tyler Conklin
Pat Freiermuth
Dallin Holker
Trey McBride
 
I just took over an orphan in a 12 team PPR, Superflex and TEPrem (2.0 PPR).

Looking for opinions on how to approach turning this team around:

QB: Maye. That’s it.
WR: Nico Collins, Tee Higgins, DJ Moore, Ricky Pearsall, Quentin Johnston
RB: Jaylen Warren, Tyler Allgeier
TE: Trey McBride, Pat Freiermuth
Picks: 1.02/2.02/3.02/4.02 and all 2026 picks

My initial thought is to tier down from Nico and pick up a serviceable QB2 or extra draft capital. I made an offer of Nico for Garrett Wilson and Geno Smith.

Everyone wants McBride or Maye but obviously trading either in this format will only set me back further.

1.02 would let me take Cam Ward, RB2, or WR1 in this draft. Obviously Ward or RB2 addresses an immediate need but I’d much rather be thinking BPA or even trade down and pick up an extra 1st this year to start adding multiple shots at future superstars.

Thoughts?
You have some good pieces, but I would punt on this year. I'm not sure how tiering off of Nico for a QB2 helps much.

I'd probably try to move DJ Moore, Warren, and Freiermuth for 2026 picks. I would not move Maye, Nico, or McBride for sure.

TE is deep in this class. The 2.02 may get you one with upside.

I'm my mind, the 1.02 is where it gets harder. I can't see picking there. I don't think I'd want anyone there (Cam or RBs) for the value of that pick. I think I'd probably sell it to the highest bidder on draft day. Ideally you could trade down and pick up Warren or Loveland and gain a pick or player.
yeah, Nico is a player you build around.

I’d probably take the best QB available, or see if someone with a solid young QB to give you wants the pick to take Jeanty.

See if you can land a decent RB at the 2.02 (seems likely) and deal Warren to a win-now team. Someone will be high on him.

Plan on having a high draft pick next year.

keep McBride, try to get a young player or picks for ‘mouth. There are still believers out there.

Is there a bench you’re not showing us? Taxi squad? Hard to suggest moves when I don’t know the pieces.
Piggybacking on HSG's analysis, I'd keep Nico and McBride for sure. WR and TE seem to have the most longevity in dynasty. I would consider trading Higgins for a chronically undervalued QB like Goff. Go RB heavy in the draft, take some WR flyers and plan to compete in 2 years.
Piggybacking on the piggyback ;)

Agree with keeping McBride and Nico (and Maye) to build around.
1.2 - take one of Ward or Jeanty or Sanders (order of Jeanty/Sanders depends on your opinion of Sanders.
Rest of your picks go BPA whether it be RB, TE or WR.
And I like the idea of turning Higgins into an underrated QB but it really depends specifically on the roster make up of all of your opponents.

When is your draft btw? After the NFL draft, I hope. :)

And now seeing your full roster above, perhaps a mid round pick if you can trade White to the Bucky owner, for example. And/or Algeier to the Bijan owner. Get more picks for dart throws!
 
Would be interested in seeing your bench players - might be some value there for trading.

QB:
Jake Browning
Trey Lance
Drake Maye
Gardner Minshew
Aiden O’Connell

RB:
Tyler Allgeier
Gus Edwards
D’Ernest Johnson
Kendre Miller
Jaylen Warren
Rachaad White

WR:
Tutu Atwell
Kayshon Boutte
Tyler Boyd
Nico Collins
Jacob Cowing
Demario Douglas
Troy Franklin
Tee Higgins
Quentin Johnston
D.J. Moore
Ricky Pearsall
Ja’Lynn Polk

TE:
Jaheim Bell
Tyler Conklin
Pat Freiermuth
Dallin Holker
Trey McBride
This looks a team that should target 2027 to start to compete.
 
Depends on whether or not you’re right about Nico being a declining asset

Since this is the dynasty value discussion thread after all, I’m curious what others think about Nico Collins’ dynasty value.

He’s ranked as a top 10 WR everywhere right now. Usually in the 7-9 range. Today is actually his 26th birthday. So he will enter the 2026 season as a 27.5 year old WR with (probably) three consecutive 1,000+ yard seasons and the clear #1 in Houston. He signed a three year rookie extension last May which means he’s signed through his age 28 season (2027). The Texans have a pretty reasonable out in the contract after 2026 with “just” a $11.6 million dead cap hit.

AJ Brown is 27.7 years old right now and is the WR14 on KTC

DK Metcalf is 27.3 years old right now and is valued as the WR24 on KTC

I’d pull some other examples but the point I’m trying to make is that in my experience even very good very productive WRs will start to slide in value by the time they are 27+. If you’re contending, who cares. If you’re rebuilding, maximizing value or cashing in for a similarly ranked but younger piece might be smart.
 
Would be interested in seeing your bench players - might be some value there for trading.

QB:
Jake Browning
Trey Lance
Drake Maye
Gardner Minshew
Aiden O’Connell

RB:
Tyler Allgeier
Gus Edwards
D’Ernest Johnson
Kendre Miller
Jaylen Warren
Rachaad White

WR:
Tutu Atwell
Kayshon Boutte
Tyler Boyd
Nico Collins
Jacob Cowing
Demario Douglas
Troy Franklin
Tee Higgins
Quentin Johnston
D.J. Moore
Ricky Pearsall
Ja’Lynn Polk

TE:
Jaheim Bell
Tyler Conklin
Pat Freiermuth
Dallin Holker
Trey McBride
I say load up on RBs in this years draft and then target a QB with your first pick next year.
 
Depends on whether or not you’re right about Nico being a declining asset

Since this is the dynasty value discussion thread after all, I’m curious what others think about Nico Collins’ dynasty value.

He’s ranked as a top 10 WR everywhere right now. Usually in the 7-9 range. Today is actually his 26th birthday. So he will enter the 2026 season as a 27.5 year old WR with (probably) three consecutive 1,000+ yard seasons and the clear #1 in Houston. He signed a three year rookie extension last May which means he’s signed through his age 28 season (2027). The Texans have a pretty reasonable out in the contract after 2026 with “just” a $11.6 million dead cap hit.

AJ Brown is 27.7 years old right now and is the WR14 on KTC

DK Metcalf is 27.3 years old right now and is valued as the WR24 on KTC

I’d pull some other examples but the point I’m trying to make is that in my experience even very good very productive WRs will start to slide in value by the time they are 27+. If you’re contending, who cares. If you’re rebuilding, maximizing value or cashing in for a similarly ranked but younger piece might be smart.
I agree with one caveat - what does your contending window look like?

I have Nico on one contending roster, and AJB on 2 contending rosters.

If the contending window is 3-4 years, absolutely hold. If the contending window feels more like 1-2 years, I don’t mind moving them.

Same goes with rebuilding - how long until it’s rebuilt? I turned a team around in 1.2 seasons. Won a ship. When I took it over my buddy in the league was certain I should move Breece Hall. “By the time you fix that mess he’ll be old”. I won it all in my 2nd year, 2023. Hall was a big reason why. But I put in helllla work to turn the roster into something competitive.

If it’s a long-term rebuild, sure - deal Nico. By the time you’re competitive he’s 30, 31. That makes sense.

I think the above roster is pretty decent. I’m mixed on whether to recommend flipping one of the best assets. Depends on the get, like all trades.
 
And now seeing your full roster above, perhaps a mid round pick if you can trade White to the Bucky owner, for example. And/or Algeier to the Bijan owner. Get more picks for dart throws!
That is exactly what I was gonna get at - I see quite a few fringe players that other teams might want as a cheap handcuff / roster depth.

Add a few draft picks & use them to retool.
 
Would be interested in seeing your bench players - might be some value there for trading.

QB:
Jake Browning
Trey Lance
Drake Maye
Gardner Minshew
Aiden O’Connell

RB:
Tyler Allgeier
Gus Edwards
D’Ernest Johnson
Kendre Miller
Jaylen Warren
Rachaad White

WR:
Tutu Atwell
Kayshon Boutte
Tyler Boyd
Nico Collins
Jacob Cowing
Demario Douglas
Troy Franklin
Tee Higgins
Quentin Johnston
D.J. Moore
Ricky Pearsall
Ja’Lynn Polk

TE:
Jaheim Bell
Tyler Conklin
Pat Freiermuth
Dallin Holker
Trey McBride
I say load up on RBs in this years draft and then target a QB with your first pick next year.
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than 2026? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
 
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Depends on whether or not you’re right about Nico being a declining asset

Since this is the dynasty value discussion thread after all, I’m curious what others think about Nico Collins’ dynasty value.

He’s ranked as a top 10 WR everywhere right now. Usually in the 7-9 range. Today is actually his 26th birthday. So he will enter the 2026 season as a 27.5 year old WR with (probably) three consecutive 1,000+ yard seasons and the clear #1 in Houston. He signed a three year rookie extension last May which means he’s signed through his age 28 season (2027). The Texans have a pretty reasonable out in the contract after 2026 with “just” a $11.6 million dead cap hit.

AJ Brown is 27.7 years old right now and is the WR14 on KTC

DK Metcalf is 27.3 years old right now and is valued as the WR24 on KTC

I’d pull some other examples but the point I’m trying to make is that in my experience even very good very productive WRs will start to slide in value by the time they are 27+. If you’re contending, who cares. If you’re rebuilding, maximizing value or cashing in for a similarly ranked but younger piece might be smart.
I roster Nico in a LOT of leagues. That said, he can be frustrating. In his 4 seasons, he's never played more than 15 games. After coming back from injury this season, he averaged a pedestrian 5/62 and about 1/2 a TD per game. Sure, part of that was Stroud's regression due to awful, awful OL play. But the line hasn't been addressed. Laken Tomlison and Cam Robinson seem like lateral moves at best.
Maybe now is the time to strike on a Nico sell? His value is still very high and if you could get a mid 2025 1st (for another RB) and a young WR, I might very well do it.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
yes, this is the strategy I agree with in rebuild. Unless the league is inactive I will trade for points in season I am competing...so until then I stock up on draft picks and high upside players that I believe will break out.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
 
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I guess it's just the way I personally see things playing out. Unless you've constructed your team in a very specific way, I wouldn't be prepared to part with picks now for those in 2027, it's simply too far away. And right now I can't see any player I'd personally be targeting with a 2026 pick. It looks desperately underwhelming. So despite the liquidity of having picks, I'd take my shot on one of the premium players this season while he has a high draft pick. I can't see Jeanty being there at 1.02 but I'd want him above any unknown pick further down the line.

And if Jeanty is as advertised, he'll be worth a boat load in a trade, way more than just the abstract pick in the future. Could easily parlay him into a solid player and a future pick. But I'd also roll the dice with someone like Hampton as well, especially if he's selected in Round 1. Good players get you further than good picks and at some point you have to make a selection.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
And odds of him getting 1.02 next year are slim. I've seen miserable rosters who swear they will land a top 2 draft pick wind up picking in the bottom half of the round. Even if he only drops to 1.03, will the 3rd best QB next year definitely be better than Ward? Maybe? How is that any more or less a gamble than just taking Ward? Or Jeanty (who I agree with JohnnyU, will likely go 1.01 in 95% of leagues including SF)

And as far as RB, YYMV but IMO this is the best RB class we've seen in 8 years. The odds of next year even coming close to it are slim. Things can change, but you'd be making a bet with very poor odds of paying off.

Those two strategies above are very heavily carried by "I think"s and "should be"s. This years draft is still a question mark sure, but backed up by just about every single NFL and fantasy forecaster out there talking about just how amazing this RB class looks. On the flip side, there's basically no WR1s. There's barely a consensus on who is even THE WR1 in this mediocre class. Those are data points in my book, as good as we can get at this point. And considering he basically has nothing at RB, the play is to take them now. Ideally sure in a rebuild you want your QBs/WRs first and your RBs last. But he needs to live in the reality of the current situation.

I'd agree in a perfect world he'd swap all his 2025 X.02 picks for 2026 X.02 picks. But I strongly doubt he'd be able to return equal value basically moving every single pick he has this year for an equitable pick in 2026 1. because it's hard and time consuming to pull of trades in dynasty in general and 2. it's nearly impossible to guarantee he'll get commensurate value when he's picking 2nd in a 12 team league. There's pretty much only one direction to go regardless of how the dice fall.

Make hay when the sun shines, bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and Occams razor (in this respect, follow the percentages). The hay right now is RB class. Jeanty/Ward + a RB at 2.02 that would likely grade as a mid to late 1st most every other year are TWO birds in his hand. His draft picks for this year are already locked in at 2. And you're a world closer to knowing what this year's class is going to be than trying to project next years.

Obviously you want to try to make moves to get a better pick next year (shed points), but not at the cost of your entire roster. There are definitely multiple ways to play it that could all work, but I think what some here are suggesting just isn't possible and/or will be to the detriment of his team for years to come. Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years when your roster is completely devoid of talent at the position is text book definition of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons IMO.

This whole exchange is also making me think too many people are already completely writing off Cam Ward. It's not even like he's a running QB with huge question marks on his passing game like Fields or Richardson. I keep hearing "he'd have been in the Maye/Nix tier last year!", well Maye and Nix are both QB1s on KTC SF dynasty rankings right now lol. Maybe there are 4 better QBs than him next year sure. But maybe this guy winds up picking 1.05 too lol. I dunno, just seems kinda crazy to me that's all. At some point you do have to commit to actually improving your roster. And very rarely is that turn 100% made in one offseason where you suddenly go from bottom 2 to top 2. Especially when your roster is primarily made up of youth.
 
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Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
And odds of him getting 1.02 next year are slim. I've seen miserable rosters who swear they will land a top 2 draft pick wind up picking in the bottom half of the round. Even if he only drops to 1.03, will the 3rd best QB next year definitely be better than Ward? Maybe? How is that any more or less a gamble than just taking Ward? Or Jeanty (who I agree with JohnnyU, will likely go 1.01 in 95% of leagues including SF)

And as far as RB, YYMV but IMO this is the best RB class we've seen in 8 years. The odds of next year even coming close to it are slim. Things can change, but you'd be making a bet with very poor odds of paying off.

Those two strategies above are very heavily carried by "I think"s and "should be"s. This years draft is still a question mark sure, but backed up by just about every single NFL and fantasy forecaster out there talking about just how amazing this RB class looks. On the flip side, there's basically no WR1s. There's barely a consensus on who is even THE WR1 in this mediocre class. Those are data points in my book, as good as we can get at this point. And considering he basically has nothing at RB, the play is to take them now. Ideally sure in a rebuild you want your QBs/WRs first and your RBs last. But he needs to live in the reality of the current situation.

I'd agree in a perfect world he'd swap all his 2025 X.02 picks for 2026 X.02 picks. But I strongly doubt he'd be able to return equal value basically moving every single pick he has this year for an equitable pick in 2026 1. because it's hard and time consuming to pull of trades in dynasty in general and 2. it's nearly impossible to guarantee he'll get commensurate value when he's picking 2nd in a 12 team league. There's pretty much only one direction to go regardless of how the dice fall.

Make hay when the sun shines, bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and Occams razor (in this respect, follow the percentages). The hay right now is RB class. Jeanty/Ward + a RB at 2.02 that would likely grade as a mid to late 1st most every other year are TWO birds in his hand. His draft picks for this year are already locked in at 2. And you're a world closer to knowing what this year's class is going to be than trying to project next years.

Obviously you want to try to make moves to get a better pick next year (shed points), but not at the cost of your entire roster. There are definitely multiple ways to play it that could all work, but I think what some here are suggesting just isn't possible and/or will be to the detriment of his team for years to come. Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years when your roster is completely devoid of talent at the position is text book definition of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons IMO.

This whole exchange is also making me think too many people are already completely writing off Cam Ward. It's not even like he's a running QB with huge question marks on his passing game like Fields or Richardson. I keep hearing "he'd have been in the Maye/Nix tier last year!", well Maye and Nix are both QB1s on KTC SF dynasty rankings right now lol. Maybe there are 4 better QBs than him next year sure. But maybe this guy winds up picking 1.05 too lol. I dunno, just seems kinda crazy to me that's all. At some point you do have to commit to actually improving your roster.
I'm not suggesting he'll get the 2026 1.02 pick for the 2025 1.02 pick. I'm suggesting he gets multiple 2026/2027 1st's for the 2025 1.02 or a pick and good player. I really don't think Jeanty will be there at 1.02. I guess there is a chance he is, so maybe wait until on the clock to do anything. Jeanty is and will be very valuable.

I guess it's really a matter of team build. I would never, ever, ever, begin a rebuild by drafting a RBs. Given that it is the strength of the class, I'd get out. It seems that maybe my way of building teams may be in the minority here, at least with those that have responded.

I also disagree with this statement "Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years". No one is highly likely to be a RB1 beyond Jeanty, especially for 5-8 years.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
And odds of him getting 1.02 next year are slim. I've seen miserable rosters who swear they will land a top 2 draft pick wind up picking in the bottom half of the round. Even if he only drops to 1.03, will the 3rd best QB next year definitely be better than Ward? Maybe? How is that any more or less a gamble than just taking Ward? Or Jeanty (who I agree with JohnnyU, will likely go 1.01 in 95% of leagues including SF)

And as far as RB, YYMV but IMO this is the best RB class we've seen in 8 years. The odds of next year even coming close to it are slim. Things can change, but you'd be making a bet with very poor odds of paying off.

Those two strategies above are very heavily carried by "I think"s and "should be"s. This years draft is still a question mark sure, but backed up by just about every single NFL and fantasy forecaster out there talking about just how amazing this RB class looks. On the flip side, there's basically no WR1s. There's barely a consensus on who is even THE WR1 in this mediocre class. Those are data points in my book, as good as we can get at this point. And considering he basically has nothing at RB, the play is to take them now. Ideally sure in a rebuild you want your QBs/WRs first and your RBs last. But he needs to live in the reality of the current situation.

I'd agree in a perfect world he'd swap all his 2025 X.02 picks for 2026 X.02 picks. But I strongly doubt he'd be able to return equal value basically moving every single pick he has this year for an equitable pick in 2026 1. because it's hard and time consuming to pull of trades in dynasty in general and 2. it's nearly impossible to guarantee he'll get commensurate value when he's picking 2nd in a 12 team league. There's pretty much only one direction to go regardless of how the dice fall.

Make hay when the sun shines, bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and Occams razor (in this respect, follow the percentages). The hay right now is RB class. Jeanty/Ward + a RB at 2.02 that would likely grade as a mid to late 1st most every other year are TWO birds in his hand. His draft picks for this year are already locked in at 2. And you're a world closer to knowing what this year's class is going to be than trying to project next years.

Obviously you want to try to make moves to get a better pick next year (shed points), but not at the cost of your entire roster. There are definitely multiple ways to play it that could all work, but I think what some here are suggesting just isn't possible and/or will be to the detriment of his team for years to come. Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years when your roster is completely devoid of talent at the position is text book definition of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons IMO.

This whole exchange is also making me think too many people are already completely writing off Cam Ward. It's not even like he's a running QB with huge question marks on his passing game like Fields or Richardson. I keep hearing "he'd have been in the Maye/Nix tier last year!", well Maye and Nix are both QB1s on KTC SF dynasty rankings right now lol. Maybe there are 4 better QBs than him next year sure. But maybe this guy winds up picking 1.05 too lol. I dunno, just seems kinda crazy to me that's all. At some point you do have to commit to actually improving your roster. And very rarely is that turn 100% made in one offseason where you suddenly go from bottom 2 to top 2. Especially when your roster is primarily made up of youth.
Give me the cliff notes. I’m already 65, so time is of the essence.
 
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
If that happens, then OP can take a QB. It still solves the issue.

That’s why I suggested doing it during the draft - probably should have articulated that better. My bad.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
And odds of him getting 1.02 next year are slim. I've seen miserable rosters who swear they will land a top 2 draft pick wind up picking in the bottom half of the round. Even if he only drops to 1.03, will the 3rd best QB next year definitely be better than Ward? Maybe? How is that any more or less a gamble than just taking Ward? Or Jeanty (who I agree with JohnnyU, will likely go 1.01 in 95% of leagues including SF)

And as far as RB, YYMV but IMO this is the best RB class we've seen in 8 years. The odds of next year even coming close to it are slim. Things can change, but you'd be making a bet with very poor odds of paying off.

Those two strategies above are very heavily carried by "I think"s and "should be"s. This years draft is still a question mark sure, but backed up by just about every single NFL and fantasy forecaster out there talking about just how amazing this RB class looks. On the flip side, there's basically no WR1s. There's barely a consensus on who is even THE WR1 in this mediocre class. Those are data points in my book, as good as we can get at this point. And considering he basically has nothing at RB, the play is to take them now. Ideally sure in a rebuild you want your QBs/WRs first and your RBs last. But he needs to live in the reality of the current situation.

I'd agree in a perfect world he'd swap all his 2025 X.02 picks for 2026 X.02 picks. But I strongly doubt he'd be able to return equal value basically moving every single pick he has this year for an equitable pick in 2026 1. because it's hard and time consuming to pull of trades in dynasty in general and 2. it's nearly impossible to guarantee he'll get commensurate value when he's picking 2nd in a 12 team league. There's pretty much only one direction to go regardless of how the dice fall.

Make hay when the sun shines, bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and Occams razor (in this respect, follow the percentages). The hay right now is RB class. Jeanty/Ward + a RB at 2.02 that would likely grade as a mid to late 1st most every other year are TWO birds in his hand. His draft picks for this year are already locked in at 2. And you're a world closer to knowing what this year's class is going to be than trying to project next years.

Obviously you want to try to make moves to get a better pick next year (shed points), but not at the cost of your entire roster. There are definitely multiple ways to play it that could all work, but I think what some here are suggesting just isn't possible and/or will be to the detriment of his team for years to come. Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years when your roster is completely devoid of talent at the position is text book definition of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons IMO.

This whole exchange is also making me think too many people are already completely writing off Cam Ward. It's not even like he's a running QB with huge question marks on his passing game like Fields or Richardson. I keep hearing "he'd have been in the Maye/Nix tier last year!", well Maye and Nix are both QB1s on KTC SF dynasty rankings right now lol. Maybe there are 4 better QBs than him next year sure. But maybe this guy winds up picking 1.05 too lol. I dunno, just seems kinda crazy to me that's all. At some point you do have to commit to actually improving your roster.
I'm not suggesting he'll get the 2026 1.02 pick for the 2025 1.02 pick. I'm suggesting he gets multiple 2026/2027 1st's for the 2025 1.02 or a pick and good player. I really don't think Jeanty will be there at 1.02. I guess there is a chance he is, so maybe wait until on the clock to do anything. Jeanty is and will be very valuable.

I guess it's really a matter of team build. I would never, ever, ever, begin a rebuild by drafting a RBs. Given that it is the strength of the class, I'd get out. It seems that maybe my way of building teams may be in the minority here, at least with those that have responded.

I also disagree with this statement "Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years". No one is highly likely to be a RB1 beyond Jeanty, especially for 5-8 years.
I guess where you lose me then is if he needs to get out of the 1.02 because it's worth less this year, how do you expect him to trade it for multiple future firsts, let alone a good young WR/QB in SF? Just that everyone else is dumber lol? Which I guess could be the case, I've seen some bad trades come through my leagues. But at face value it feels like suggesting you can trade 3 quarters for a dollar because "there's a sucker born every minute".

And yeah, we are very far off from each other on the bolded. I would say outside Jeanty, Hampton is lock for an RB1. Judkins, and Henderson in the right spot, would qualify as highly likely. And that there are at least 2-3 more that wind up that way, I'd wager more. Maybe considering external factors like injuries, or landing somewhere and having to wait a year or two, tagging "5-8 years" onto being an RB1 is too bold, but I think we'll be sitting on our hover couches in our high rise homes on Mars in 2032 asking Rosie our AI robot housekeeper to remind us of how great the 2025 RB draft class was. Or something like that... lol.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
And odds of him getting 1.02 next year are slim. I've seen miserable rosters who swear they will land a top 2 draft pick wind up picking in the bottom half of the round. Even if he only drops to 1.03, will the 3rd best QB next year definitely be better than Ward? Maybe? How is that any more or less a gamble than just taking Ward? Or Jeanty (who I agree with JohnnyU, will likely go 1.01 in 95% of leagues including SF)

And as far as RB, YYMV but IMO this is the best RB class we've seen in 8 years. The odds of next year even coming close to it are slim. Things can change, but you'd be making a bet with very poor odds of paying off.

Those two strategies above are very heavily carried by "I think"s and "should be"s. This years draft is still a question mark sure, but backed up by just about every single NFL and fantasy forecaster out there talking about just how amazing this RB class looks. On the flip side, there's basically no WR1s. There's barely a consensus on who is even THE WR1 in this mediocre class. Those are data points in my book, as good as we can get at this point. And considering he basically has nothing at RB, the play is to take them now. Ideally sure in a rebuild you want your QBs/WRs first and your RBs last. But he needs to live in the reality of the current situation.

I'd agree in a perfect world he'd swap all his 2025 X.02 picks for 2026 X.02 picks. But I strongly doubt he'd be able to return equal value basically moving every single pick he has this year for an equitable pick in 2026 1. because it's hard and time consuming to pull of trades in dynasty in general and 2. it's nearly impossible to guarantee he'll get commensurate value when he's picking 2nd in a 12 team league. There's pretty much only one direction to go regardless of how the dice fall.

Make hay when the sun shines, bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and Occams razor (in this respect, follow the percentages). The hay right now is RB class. Jeanty/Ward + a RB at 2.02 that would likely grade as a mid to late 1st most every other year are TWO birds in his hand. His draft picks for this year are already locked in at 2. And you're a world closer to knowing what this year's class is going to be than trying to project next years.

Obviously you want to try to make moves to get a better pick next year (shed points), but not at the cost of your entire roster. There are definitely multiple ways to play it that could all work, but I think what some here are suggesting just isn't possible and/or will be to the detriment of his team for years to come. Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years when your roster is completely devoid of talent at the position is text book definition of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons IMO.

This whole exchange is also making me think too many people are already completely writing off Cam Ward. It's not even like he's a running QB with huge question marks on his passing game like Fields or Richardson. I keep hearing "he'd have been in the Maye/Nix tier last year!", well Maye and Nix are both QB1s on KTC SF dynasty rankings right now lol. Maybe there are 4 better QBs than him next year sure. But maybe this guy winds up picking 1.05 too lol. I dunno, just seems kinda crazy to me that's all. At some point you do have to commit to actually improving your roster. And very rarely is that turn 100% made in one offseason where you suddenly go from bottom 2 to top 2. Especially when your roster is primarily made up of youth.
Give me the cliff notes. I’m already 65, so time is of the essence.
I think the RB class is so much better than other years it's worth taking a few shots now and potentially getting a worse draft pick next year because NOT taking a RB and HOPING to get a better draft pick next year is a bigger risk and likely worse for building a championship roster.

Also people be too low on Cam Ward. If you really need a QB in SF (like this guy who has Maye and then nobody), he's worthy of 1.02 IMO. Lucking into a top two draft pick is difficult and should take advantage when the opportunity is there if you have a need.

Sorry, brevity is not my strong suit hah.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
And odds of him getting 1.02 next year are slim. I've seen miserable rosters who swear they will land a top 2 draft pick wind up picking in the bottom half of the round. Even if he only drops to 1.03, will the 3rd best QB next year definitely be better than Ward? Maybe? How is that any more or less a gamble than just taking Ward? Or Jeanty (who I agree with JohnnyU, will likely go 1.01 in 95% of leagues including SF)

And as far as RB, YYMV but IMO this is the best RB class we've seen in 8 years. The odds of next year even coming close to it are slim. Things can change, but you'd be making a bet with very poor odds of paying off.

Those two strategies above are very heavily carried by "I think"s and "should be"s. This years draft is still a question mark sure, but backed up by just about every single NFL and fantasy forecaster out there talking about just how amazing this RB class looks. On the flip side, there's basically no WR1s. There's barely a consensus on who is even THE WR1 in this mediocre class. Those are data points in my book, as good as we can get at this point. And considering he basically has nothing at RB, the play is to take them now. Ideally sure in a rebuild you want your QBs/WRs first and your RBs last. But he needs to live in the reality of the current situation.

I'd agree in a perfect world he'd swap all his 2025 X.02 picks for 2026 X.02 picks. But I strongly doubt he'd be able to return equal value basically moving every single pick he has this year for an equitable pick in 2026 1. because it's hard and time consuming to pull of trades in dynasty in general and 2. it's nearly impossible to guarantee he'll get commensurate value when he's picking 2nd in a 12 team league. There's pretty much only one direction to go regardless of how the dice fall.

Make hay when the sun shines, bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and Occams razor (in this respect, follow the percentages). The hay right now is RB class. Jeanty/Ward + a RB at 2.02 that would likely grade as a mid to late 1st most every other year are TWO birds in his hand. His draft picks for this year are already locked in at 2. And you're a world closer to knowing what this year's class is going to be than trying to project next years.

Obviously you want to try to make moves to get a better pick next year (shed points), but not at the cost of your entire roster. There are definitely multiple ways to play it that could all work, but I think what some here are suggesting just isn't possible and/or will be to the detriment of his team for years to come. Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years when your roster is completely devoid of talent at the position is text book definition of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons IMO.

This whole exchange is also making me think too many people are already completely writing off Cam Ward. It's not even like he's a running QB with huge question marks on his passing game like Fields or Richardson. I keep hearing "he'd have been in the Maye/Nix tier last year!", well Maye and Nix are both QB1s on KTC SF dynasty rankings right now lol. Maybe there are 4 better QBs than him next year sure. But maybe this guy winds up picking 1.05 too lol. I dunno, just seems kinda crazy to me that's all. At some point you do have to commit to actually improving your roster. And very rarely is that turn 100% made in one offseason where you suddenly go from bottom 2 to top 2. Especially when your roster is primarily made up of youth.
Give me the cliff notes. I’m already 65, so time is of the essence.
I think the RB class is so much better than other years it's worth taking a few shots now and potentially getting a worse draft pick next year because NOT taking a RB and HOPING to get a better draft pick next year is a bigger risk and likely worse for building a championship roster.

Also people be too low on Cam Ward. If you really need a QB in SF (like this guy who has Maye and then nobody), he's worthy of 1.02 IMO. Lucking into a top two draft pick is difficult and should take advantage when the opportunity is there if you have a need.

Sorry, brevity is not my strong suit hah.
Thanks for the shortened version. If I see a book I don’t read it.
 
Why would you load up on RBs now with a contending window opening no sooner than next year.? All that does is leave you with a worse draft pick next year. I'd get out of this draft.
There are good RB's in this draft. Makes sense to take them while they are there. Especially with next year not looking so hot prospect wise.
But that doesn't help this rebuild. Again, this team has one QB (Maye). There is no way its competitive. So why add empty points?
I’d try to deal the 1.02 for a QB to a team that wants Jeanty during the draft.

That would be an immediate boost.
I believe Jeanty will go 1.01 in 95% of drafts regardless of format, so saying trade the 1.02 to someone that wants Jeanty probably isn't accurate in most leagues, even in SF. Maybe he goes 1.02 in some 2QB leagues however, but not in most superflex and obviously 1qb leagues.
Right. My opinion is that the 1.02 this year in a Superflex league is much less valuable than consensus. Given that the 1.02 probably only gets you a Nix, Love, Murray type, I'd probably try to move out of the draft or trade it for a young WR (Ladd, Wilson, JSN, etc.). Moving back doesn't help much unless you strategically target the TEs. Otherwise, you end up with a handful of RBs.
And odds of him getting 1.02 next year are slim. I've seen miserable rosters who swear they will land a top 2 draft pick wind up picking in the bottom half of the round. Even if he only drops to 1.03, will the 3rd best QB next year definitely be better than Ward? Maybe? How is that any more or less a gamble than just taking Ward? Or Jeanty (who I agree with JohnnyU, will likely go 1.01 in 95% of leagues including SF)

And as far as RB, YYMV but IMO this is the best RB class we've seen in 8 years. The odds of next year even coming close to it are slim. Things can change, but you'd be making a bet with very poor odds of paying off.

Those two strategies above are very heavily carried by "I think"s and "should be"s. This years draft is still a question mark sure, but backed up by just about every single NFL and fantasy forecaster out there talking about just how amazing this RB class looks. On the flip side, there's basically no WR1s. There's barely a consensus on who is even THE WR1 in this mediocre class. Those are data points in my book, as good as we can get at this point. And considering he basically has nothing at RB, the play is to take them now. Ideally sure in a rebuild you want your QBs/WRs first and your RBs last. But he needs to live in the reality of the current situation.

I'd agree in a perfect world he'd swap all his 2025 X.02 picks for 2026 X.02 picks. But I strongly doubt he'd be able to return equal value basically moving every single pick he has this year for an equitable pick in 2026 1. because it's hard and time consuming to pull of trades in dynasty in general and 2. it's nearly impossible to guarantee he'll get commensurate value when he's picking 2nd in a 12 team league. There's pretty much only one direction to go regardless of how the dice fall.

Make hay when the sun shines, bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and Occams razor (in this respect, follow the percentages). The hay right now is RB class. Jeanty/Ward + a RB at 2.02 that would likely grade as a mid to late 1st most every other year are TWO birds in his hand. His draft picks for this year are already locked in at 2. And you're a world closer to knowing what this year's class is going to be than trying to project next years.

Obviously you want to try to make moves to get a better pick next year (shed points), but not at the cost of your entire roster. There are definitely multiple ways to play it that could all work, but I think what some here are suggesting just isn't possible and/or will be to the detriment of his team for years to come. Passing on at least 2 RBs (or dealers choice of QB and another top RB) that are highly likely to be RB1s for the next 5-8 years when your roster is completely devoid of talent at the position is text book definition of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons IMO.

This whole exchange is also making me think too many people are already completely writing off Cam Ward. It's not even like he's a running QB with huge question marks on his passing game like Fields or Richardson. I keep hearing "he'd have been in the Maye/Nix tier last year!", well Maye and Nix are both QB1s on KTC SF dynasty rankings right now lol. Maybe there are 4 better QBs than him next year sure. But maybe this guy winds up picking 1.05 too lol. I dunno, just seems kinda crazy to me that's all. At some point you do have to commit to actually improving your roster. And very rarely is that turn 100% made in one offseason where you suddenly go from bottom 2 to top 2. Especially when your roster is primarily made up of youth.
Give me the cliff notes. I’m already 65, so time is of the essence.
I think the RB class is so much better than other years it's worth taking a few shots now and potentially getting a worse draft pick next year because NOT taking a RB and HOPING to get a better draft pick next year is a bigger risk and likely worse for building a championship roster.

Also people be too low on Cam Ward. If you really need a QB in SF (like this guy who has Maye and then nobody), he's worthy of 1.02 IMO. Lucking into a top two draft pick is difficult and should take advantage when the opportunity is there if you have a need.

Sorry, brevity is not my strong suit hah.
Thanks for the shortened version. If I see a book I don’t read it.
Just make sure if you come across one titled "To Serve Man" you read a few pages in at least. That one's easy to misinterpret.
 
Philosophical question: in a 16 team IDP super flex league where I have the rare luxury of 3 quarterbacks, do I keep the depth, or do I move one to help put me over the top?

I was the top scoring team in this league, & the 1-seed last year— and only lost in the championship game because I took injury hits to eight (of 22) starters in the 2 weeks before the LCG.

No amount of depth can sustain losing Chuba, Maxx, Lamb, Al-Shaair, and so many others.

With Darnold signed in SEA, JJM taking over in MIN, and Herbert going into year 2 of the Harbaugh years, I’m torn.

In this format, QBs are gold. I could conceivably get another alpha WR (I have Lamb, Nico, AJB, but mostly meh behind them - Diggs, Palmer, Bateman, etc) - my IDP guys are mostly solid, but I could always use another elite DE behind Maxx & Karlaftis (though I do have a bit of depth there).

My RBs are Jacobs, Chase Brown, RS, Warren, & Chuba, so adding another elite back wouldn’t hurt me long term either.

It’s also TE-P, and my TE room is a cobbled together bunch of Jonnu, Henry, & Fant, so TE is definitely a need position. I’m reasonably sure I can get a good one for a QB.

I’m probably going to wait until I’m absolutely positive that JJM is the QB1 in MIN, but once that happens the idea of dealing Darnold is very appealing. Might even be able to get a 1.01 for him (that manager was inquiring about Darnold, which is what got this thought process going)…

TL : DR
I’ve got some time to mull it over, but generally speaking, in a win-now window would you rather have the depth at QB in a 16-team format, or use that asset to get stronger in the starting lineup?
 
Obviously this would change post draft but right now knowing what I know I go:

1.1

Gurley

1.2

1.3

Hopkins

Robinson
Whoa this is wayyy different than I would rank these assets. No chance I take a rookie over a 23-year old WR who just put up a top 5 season.

ARob

Hopkins

1.1

1.2

Gurley

1.3
Every now and then when I hit this topic I get the 1st page and this post gets me every time.

Who in their right mind would have taken Todd Gurley over Alan Robinson?!
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lol
 
Philosophical question: in a 16 team IDP super flex league where I have the rare luxury of 3 quarterbacks, do I keep the depth, or do I move one to help put me over the top?

I was the top scoring team in this league, & the 1-seed last year— and only lost in the championship game because I took injury hits to eight (of 22) starters in the 2 weeks before the LCG.

No amount of depth can sustain losing Chuba, Maxx, Lamb, Al-Shaair, and so many others.

With Darnold signed in SEA, JJM taking over in MIN, and Herbert going into year 2 of the Harbaugh years, I’m torn.

In this format, QBs are gold. I could conceivably get another alpha WR (I have Lamb, Nico, AJB, but mostly meh behind them - Diggs, Palmer, Bateman, etc) - my IDP guys are mostly solid, but I could always use another elite DE behind Maxx & Karlaftis (though I do have a bit of depth there).

My RBs are Jacobs, Chase Brown, RS, Warren, & Chuba, so adding another elite back wouldn’t hurt me long term either.

It’s also TE-P, and my TE room is a cobbled together bunch of Jonnu, Henry, & Fant, so TE is definitely a need position. I’m reasonably sure I can get a good one for a QB.

I’m probably going to wait until I’m absolutely positive that JJM is the QB1 in MIN, but once that happens the idea of dealing Darnold is very appealing. Might even be able to get a 1.01 for him (that manager was inquiring about Darnold, which is what got this thought process going)…

TL : DR
I’ve got some time to mull it over, but generally speaking, in a win-now window would you rather have the depth at QB in a 16-team format, or use that asset to get stronger in the starting lineup?
What can you get for Darnold? A stud TE would be great but even in this format is anyone giving bowers or McBride for Darnold? You could probably get a kittle or pick to get Loveland or Warren, but I’m not sure that’s worth it for you.
 
Philosophical question: in a 16 team IDP super flex league where I have the rare luxury of 3 quarterbacks, do I keep the depth, or do I move one to help put me over the top?

I was the top scoring team in this league, & the 1-seed last year— and only lost in the championship game because I took injury hits to eight (of 22) starters in the 2 weeks before the LCG.

No amount of depth can sustain losing Chuba, Maxx, Lamb, Al-Shaair, and so many others.

With Darnold signed in SEA, JJM taking over in MIN, and Herbert going into year 2 of the Harbaugh years, I’m torn.

In this format, QBs are gold. I could conceivably get another alpha WR (I have Lamb, Nico, AJB, but mostly meh behind them - Diggs, Palmer, Bateman, etc) - my IDP guys are mostly solid, but I could always use another elite DE behind Maxx & Karlaftis (though I do have a bit of depth there).

My RBs are Jacobs, Chase Brown, RS, Warren, & Chuba, so adding another elite back wouldn’t hurt me long term either.

It’s also TE-P, and my TE room is a cobbled together bunch of Jonnu, Henry, & Fant, so TE is definitely a need position. I’m reasonably sure I can get a good one for a QB.

I’m probably going to wait until I’m absolutely positive that JJM is the QB1 in MIN, but once that happens the idea of dealing Darnold is very appealing. Might even be able to get a 1.01 for him (that manager was inquiring about Darnold, which is what got this thought process going)…

TL : DR
I’ve got some time to mull it over, but generally speaking, in a win-now window would you rather have the depth at QB in a 16-team format, or use that asset to get stronger in the starting lineup?
Having three legit QBs in a 16-Team league is such a major advantage. Your WRs and RBs are plenty good enough. I'd be watching the Steelers draft very closely. They gave their 2nd for DK, so worst case for you is that they take a RB in the third (assuming they don't repeat the Najee mistake). Warren will get every opportunity to be the 1A in that scenario.

I think I'd wait this out, like you said. It buys you time to get a good read on JJM. It also allows maybe a fill an unknown hole at some point mid season.

Worst case, you keep all three and hope for better luck.
 
What can you get for Darnold? A stud TE would be great but even in this format is anyone giving bowers or McBride for Darnold? You could probably get a kittle or pick to get Loveland or Warren, but I’m not sure that’s worth it for you.
I mean, those are the top 2 TEs.I wasn’t expecting to get that sort of return.

But that said, in a 16-team SF league I could get a lot for Darnold. An Njoku + [pick or player] easily.

There’s a competing team with 3 good TE, one of whom is Hockenson. It’s certainly possible I could deal Darnold + for Hock. They’re not that far apart in this format.

Again, I’m gonna wait a while and figure it out, but figured I’d get some feedback on whether it’s best to sit on 3 like a wealthy miser or move one for an starting asset.

I could also deal Herbert, though that is a bit riskier.
 
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I think I'd wait this out, like you said. It buys you time to get a good read on JJM. It also allows maybe a fill an unknown hole at some point mid season.
This is an excellent point.

It also gives me time to evaluate JJM & Darnold in their new roles. And also mix & match my QBs based on the hot hand. Plus BYE coverage.

And like you said - if I take a hit somewhere I can always deal them to a team that has a hole at QB.

Appreciate the feedback.
 
Sorry for the long post but I need some help...

I'm in a 12 team SF salary cap league where players are on 3 year contracts priced from $25 to $1 and this price is determined by their rank at the end of the season (rookies and free agents). On the last year of their contract, how they finish the season based on the W/R/T rankings, a new contract price is reestablished. QBs have their own separate ranking.

We have to roster a team of 20 (start 10) at $150 or less. You can obtain more cap dollars via trade and player cuts but there is a penalty for cutting contracted guys (2nd yr is 50% cap penalty and 3rd year is 25%). Example: Player is $20. It's his 2nd yr. You cut him and clear his $20 from your books but now you have to roster a team for $140.

My team and everyone else's in the league (except for 1 team) is way over budget and will have to make some drastic cuts and/or not signing guys to a contract. In a best case scenario I can trade some picks and players to get under budget but the majority of my players have the highest priced contracts, so finding a trade partner will be difficult. So I'm most likely going to be left with making some very tough decisions and I need to prepare for the worst and determine who should be cut while still maintaining a solid/balanced team (I desparately need RBs lol).

Below is my current team:

QB:
Herbert ($16)
Goff ($23) - New Contract price for next 3 yrs...his end of the season performance pushed him from mid teens price to top of the market

RB:
Chase Brown ($22) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Ekeler ($5) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Jaylen Wright ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Johnathan Brooks ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

Khalil Herbert ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Jaleel McLaughlin ($1) - 2nd yr
Sione Vaki ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Roschon Johnson ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Tyler Badie ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

WR:
Tyreek Hill ($25) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Scary Terry ($20) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Christian Kirk ($21) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Chris Olave ($17) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
BTJ ($24) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Demario Douglas ($1) - 2nd yr contract
Jalen McMillan ($5) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Jalen Coker ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Mike Williams ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
JuJu ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

TE:
Bowers ($22) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Hunter Henry ($4) - 2nd yr contract (50% penalty if cut)
Stone Smartt ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

As you can see by my main WRs, it would've been amazing if their last yr of contract was this past season as they would all have much lower contract prices ($1-$18) which would be much lower except for maybe Scary who would be ($23). And anyone acquiring them will be getting a new contracts for them based on how the finish this season. But like I said, with the high price tag it'll be hard to move them so they'll need to be moved and/or cut.

The team that actually has extra cap dollars owns Diggs, so I tried packaging Hill, Kirk, Douglas, BMW, my 3.11, and my 4.08 to him for his late 1st rd pick (1.10) (he has 3 firsts - 1.04, 1.10, 1.12), we swap my 2.08 for his 2.04, and $12 in cap dollars. His team is rebuilding and he has no one really.

He had no interest and said he didn't want old players. I then went back and forth and he basically trash talked Hill saying he's too old. I argued that he played with an injured wrist (which he got surgery for after the season) and ran 22.01mph, which was 3rd fastest time in 2024. I then offered to give him trade insurance that if he didnt get over 1k yards I would take him back for a 2nd rd pick. Again he declined and basically stopped responding.

I tried to engage again with a bunch of different offers (doing only swap picks so he didn't technically lose a pick) but we eventually ended up getting into a heated argument bc he wouldn't even negotiate in good faith with a counter or even respond. My last play will be to ask if he has any interest in Olave before completely giving up on working out a deal with him. I legit tried to do everything in his favor but he's being an *******.

I haven't reached out to any other owners or sent an email to the league with the players/picks I'm putting on the block yet so maybe there's something I'm overlooking and a team can maybe work out a deal but I'm not holding my breathe. I have also made a proposal to the commish that would enable us to acquire more cap dollars at the expense of our draft picks. This is currently being discussed so there could be some hope and if that comes to fruition, I'll provide an update here bc that could change who I keep/cut.

In a perfect world, if I could keep who I want it would cost a total of $204, which is $54 over the cap.

This is who I'm thinking of cutting:

All RBs below Brooks
Scary Terry ($20) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Christian Kirk ($21) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Chris Olave ($17) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Mike Williams ($1) - New Contract
JuJu ($1) - New Contract
Hunter Henry ($4) - 2nd yr contract (50% penalty if cut)
Stone Smartt ($1) - New Contract

Total cap penalties is $16, so I have to roster my team for $134 instead of $150.

The new total of my keepers is $146, which puts me $12 over the cap.

Keepers:
Herbert ($16)
Goff ($23) - New Contract

Chase Brown ($22) - New Contract
Ekeler ($5) - New Contract
Jaylen Wright ($1) - New Contract
Johnathan Brooks ($1) - New Contract

Tyreek Hill ($25) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
BTJ ($24) - New Contract
Demario Douglas ($1) - 2nd yr contract
Jalen McMillan ($5) - New Contract
Jalen Coker ($1) - New Contract

TE:
Bowers ($22) - New Contract

I have 8 picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.08, 3.01, 3.11, 4.02, 4.08, 5.11...then we have later rd picks to fill out the roster

If going with the above cuts/keeps, it may be easier to work out a deal with that dickhead owner for $12 cap instead of some of the higher amounts I asked for in a few previous offers.

So based on my roster and current plans, who would you keep and cut? I can provide more insight into why I'm keeping or cutting specific players but this post was getting really long, so just ask if you need me to.

Thanks for taking the time to read and help!
Wow - that's... a lot

I assume picks don't count against the cap? If I understand the escalating salaries based on EOS rank, I kinda hate that. So you pick well and your player is almost impossible to keep? Chase Brown at $22 is criminal. lol

Anyway, it sounds like you're keeping the right players, especially considering the context of this draft. That said, I'd definitely be reaching out to other owners to see if you can work out a trade to shed some cap as opposed to absorbing 1/2 or 1/4 to cuts. I'm sure someone would want TMc, for example. Maybe Kirk & Olave as well. Maybe even HH if it's TE-P.
 
Sorry for the long post but I need some help...

I'm in a 12 team SF salary cap league where players are on 3 year contracts priced from $25 to $1 and this price is determined by their rank at the end of the season (rookies and free agents). On the last year of their contract, how they finish the season based on the W/R/T rankings, a new contract price is reestablished. QBs have their own separate ranking.

We have to roster a team of 20 (start 10) at $150 or less. You can obtain more cap dollars via trade and player cuts but there is a penalty for cutting contracted guys (2nd yr is 50% cap penalty and 3rd year is 25%). Example: Player is $20. It's his 2nd yr. You cut him and clear his $20 from your books but now you have to roster a team for $140.

My team and everyone else's in the league (except for 1 team) is way over budget and will have to make some drastic cuts and/or not signing guys to a contract. In a best case scenario I can trade some picks and players to get under budget but the majority of my players have the highest priced contracts, so finding a trade partner will be difficult. So I'm most likely going to be left with making some very tough decisions and I need to prepare for the worst and determine who should be cut while still maintaining a solid/balanced team (I desparately need RBs lol).

Below is my current team:

QB:
Herbert ($16)
Goff ($23) - New Contract price for next 3 yrs...his end of the season performance pushed him from mid teens price to top of the market

RB:
Chase Brown ($22) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Ekeler ($5) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Jaylen Wright ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Johnathan Brooks ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

Khalil Herbert ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Jaleel McLaughlin ($1) - 2nd yr
Sione Vaki ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Roschon Johnson ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Tyler Badie ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

WR:
Tyreek Hill ($25) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Scary Terry ($20) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Christian Kirk ($21) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Chris Olave ($17) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
BTJ ($24) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Demario Douglas ($1) - 2nd yr contract
Jalen McMillan ($5) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Jalen Coker ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Mike Williams ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
JuJu ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

TE:
Bowers ($22) - New Contract - can cut without penalty
Hunter Henry ($4) - 2nd yr contract (50% penalty if cut)
Stone Smartt ($1) - New Contract - can cut without penalty

As you can see by my main WRs, it would've been amazing if their last yr of contract was this past season as they would all have much lower contract prices ($1-$18) which would be much lower except for maybe Scary who would be ($23). And anyone acquiring them will be getting a new contracts for them based on how the finish this season. But like I said, with the high price tag it'll be hard to move them so they'll need to be moved and/or cut.

The team that actually has extra cap dollars owns Diggs, so I tried packaging Hill, Kirk, Douglas, BMW, my 3.11, and my 4.08 to him for his late 1st rd pick (1.10) (he has 3 firsts - 1.04, 1.10, 1.12), we swap my 2.08 for his 2.04, and $12 in cap dollars. His team is rebuilding and he has no one really.

He had no interest and said he didn't want old players. I then went back and forth and he basically trash talked Hill saying he's too old. I argued that he played with an injured wrist (which he got surgery for after the season) and ran 22.01mph, which was 3rd fastest time in 2024. I then offered to give him trade insurance that if he didnt get over 1k yards I would take him back for a 2nd rd pick. Again he declined and basically stopped responding.

I tried to engage again with a bunch of different offers (doing only swap picks so he didn't technically lose a pick) but we eventually ended up getting into a heated argument bc he wouldn't even negotiate in good faith with a counter or even respond. My last play will be to ask if he has any interest in Olave before completely giving up on working out a deal with him. I legit tried to do everything in his favor but he's being an *******.

I haven't reached out to any other owners or sent an email to the league with the players/picks I'm putting on the block yet so maybe there's something I'm overlooking and a team can maybe work out a deal but I'm not holding my breathe. I have also made a proposal to the commish that would enable us to acquire more cap dollars at the expense of our draft picks. This is currently being discussed so there could be some hope and if that comes to fruition, I'll provide an update here bc that could change who I keep/cut.

In a perfect world, if I could keep who I want it would cost a total of $204, which is $54 over the cap.

This is who I'm thinking of cutting:

All RBs below Brooks
Scary Terry ($20) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Christian Kirk ($21) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Chris Olave ($17) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
Mike Williams ($1) - New Contract
JuJu ($1) - New Contract
Hunter Henry ($4) - 2nd yr contract (50% penalty if cut)
Stone Smartt ($1) - New Contract

Total cap penalties is $16, so I have to roster my team for $134 instead of $150.

The new total of my keepers is $146, which puts me $12 over the cap.

Keepers:
Herbert ($16)
Goff ($23) - New Contract

Chase Brown ($22) - New Contract
Ekeler ($5) - New Contract
Jaylen Wright ($1) - New Contract
Johnathan Brooks ($1) - New Contract

Tyreek Hill ($25) - Last yr of contract - can cut for 25% cap penalty
BTJ ($24) - New Contract
Demario Douglas ($1) - 2nd yr contract
Jalen McMillan ($5) - New Contract
Jalen Coker ($1) - New Contract

TE:
Bowers ($22) - New Contract

I have 8 picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.08, 3.01, 3.11, 4.02, 4.08, 5.11...then we have later rd picks to fill out the roster

If going with the above cuts/keeps, it may be easier to work out a deal with that dickhead owner for $12 cap instead of some of the higher amounts I asked for in a few previous offers.

So based on my roster and current plans, who would you keep and cut? I can provide more insight into why I'm keeping or cutting specific players but this post was getting really long, so just ask if you need me to.

Thanks for taking the time to read and help!
Like it or not, the other owner in a rebuild has all the power in this situation and , rightfully, doesn't want or need high contract value aging players.

I'd suggest looking more toward contenders for that kind of trade offer AND to adjust your negotiating tactics. Getting into heated arguments with another owner over player opinions isn't a good look.
 
Kenneth Walker III.

What is his value? 1 QB, PPR, but really for any format? Does Klint Kubiak's offense affect his value? Does this draft class affect his value?
 
He just moved in my league (14 team standard) in the current deal.

KWIII - 3.11

for

Etienne - 27 4th - 27 1st (from leagues current champion)

Felt quite cheap for Walker to me.
 
Guy trading for Walker holds half the 27 picks in our league.

Soft rebuild for him, much easier to accumulate picks that far out and he's made the decision that 26 isn't worth it.
 

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