Concept Coop
Footballguy
I recently moved the 1.6, 1.8, 1.11, 1.12 for him in a 12t PPR - QRRWWWTF league. I'd pass in your shoes, but can understand the hesitation.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter spider321
- Start date
I like your end of that trade. In 10 and 12 team leagues, I’ll usually take the stud player over picks.
When you get to 14 and 16 teamers, it’s a little less clear as depth matters more in leagues with scant waiver options.
Corey Davis and the 5 & 10 in this draft class are magic beans? And Barkley is a stud already? I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree at this point as we seem to have very different opinions.
As a Keenan owner, there's no way I would trade him for Mixon straight up, much less for me to add something to it. I guess I should go through the trades thread and see what people are selling him for, though. I wouldn't mind buying Mixon if the price is right. I'm not always spot on, but Mixon's season went precisely as I expected. The OL was just too bad for me to have any interest in him last year. Was hoping to buy cheap late in the season, but the opportunity didn't present itself. I would think he'd be relatively cheap now after that turd of a season, but again... need to see some completed trades to get a feel. If I could get him for a late 1st, I'd be tempted, but need to see Cincy make some OL moves first or else it's just going to be a repeat of 2017.
Will just add that I do believe the person that said mixon could be worth Keenan+ was doing so in the mind of a standard non PPR league which does drop Keenan's value slightly
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Certainly 1.1 is a much safer asset which is what I would invest in if I was rebuilding.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
It was me. I meant in PPR. If Mixon has 3 good games to start the season, he'll be worth more than Keenan Allen. In standard formats, he's worth more than Keenan Allen today.
What's derrick Henry's value? I'm rebuilding in a league and have the 1.1 and 1.4, not in love with anyone at 1.4 (assuming guice and Chubb are taken) so somewhat plan to shop it. Is something like 1.4 for Henry and the 1.10 fair. Wasn't Henry's biggest fan coming out of college and he really hasn't done much other then break a couple long runs and have short yardage Tds but he could have a good opportunity on a team that likes to run the ball.
I own both in the same PPR dynasty, so like both very much. I've been a fan of Allen since he entered the league so I don't think 3 good games would vault mixon over him right away, Allen can and should catch 100 balls a year for the foreseeable future which is huge in PPR. I don't play much standard so don't can't help value the 2 there but both didnt score many TDs this year but if I had to bet I would give mixon the edge on TD chances so could see him being valued over Keenan in standard at the moment
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Looks about right to me. I think I'd still keep the 1.04, but it's pretty close and I'm sure many would take Henry.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
He's worth 1.4 right now, but once players have teams and fantasy owners are ready to pick, that deal you proposed will be about right. His value could go up if he does well this weekend. If the trade was offered to me and I had enough shares of Henry I might counter with 2.10 instead of 1.10 but wouldn't take it as offered.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Dalvin Cook had 3.5 good games, tore his ACL, and is still valued pretty close to Allen right now. Mixon's physical profile is elite, and if and when he gets it going, the market is going to go crazy for him. I think the odds of Mixon being a first round startup pick in 2019 are higher than the odds of Allen being one, personally.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think the pick was actually on the other side. If it's the same one I'm thinking of (I think on DLF) I think it was OBJ+1.08 for 1.01, which most seemed to think was pretty crazy.
He's a garbage time extraordinaire. I don't understand why AR15 got hammered for that, but Hopkins gets a pass. Check out his FBG splits. Trailing big: 52-26-411-7
Compare that to other top WRs:
Brown: 28-16-228-1
Julio: 20-14-211-1
Keenan: 13-8-100-1
To me his garbage time stats way outweigh his uncatchable targets. Garbage time stats count in fantasy obviously, but don't seem like a strong indicator of talent, IMO, and are not predictable going forward.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Does anyone have Nuk's splits with Watson and without? (Edit: Also Fuller's)
Last edited by a moderator:
-OZ-
Footballguy
As an owner of 1.04 and a Titans fan I think it's pretty close. I wouldn't trade the 4 for Henry in that league as the lineup makes WR worth more than RB, and I'm pretty sure the 4 can net Guice if I want a RB. Also I don't need an RB. But the 4 and Henry seem about fair. Problem will be rookie hype will push the value of the picks over Henry, so you're probably right. You'd have to add something like the 10 to Henry to get the 4.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
You're arguing that Hopkins' perceived talent level is inflated due to garbage time stats? Dude. When you win 4 games all year, you're going to have a lot of garbage time. That's what happens with awful QB play - something Brown, Julio, and Keenan haven't worried about once in their careers.He's a garbage time extraordinaire. I don't understand why AR15 got hammered for that, but Hopkins gets a pass. Check out his FBG splits. Trailing big: 52-26-411-7
Compare that to other top WRs:
Brown: 28-16-228-1
Julio: 20-14-211-1
Keenan: 13-8-100-1
To me his garbage time stats way outweigh his uncatchable targets. Garbage time stats count in fantasy obviously, but don't seem like a strong indicator of talent, IMO, and are not predictable going forward.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I just glanced and I think he had roughly 45-600-6 in 7 games with Watson (including a blowout loss to KC where his stat line was 4-52-3... 2 TDs coming in the final 3 minutes of a 3 score game). But keep in mind, Watson's pace was unsustainable: 8.33 YPA, 19 TDs in 7 games.
I'm not arguing that a 4 loss season shouldn't have a lot of garbage time. I'm saying stats acquired during garbage time do not indicate talent as much as stats acquired when the game is close.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
If you want this to have any value--and I'm not sure does--you'd need to account for the garbage time disparity. It makes no sense to compare gross garbage time production across 2+ very different situations. You'd need to compare garbage time production to non-garbage time production at the per-snap level.
To be honest, I'm kind of shocked there is still a need to defend Hopkins' talent level aften the season he just had.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Please watch these KC highlights and then tell me how these grabs are any less impressive. It's less than 2 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRE1CwguliM
Last edited by a moderator:
That would be quite difficult to do. I could do it per target fairly easily, though.
I'm not saying he's bad. I've always said he reminds me of a young Crabtree (a criminally undervalued talent due to bad early situations early in career). But he's not a top 3 talent. But he does have the most targets and most garbage time, so that was valuable in 2017. I doubt he gets either of those titles in 2018.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'm starting to question how much you've actually watched him play. We'll have to agree to disagree.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Does anyone care to provide feedback on a 4 team dispersal draft just completed?
Devy league. Ppr
Total Starters:10
Number of Starting QBs:1
Number of Starting RBs:2-3
Number of Starting WRs:3-4
Number of Starting TEs:1-2
Number of Starting PKs:1
Number of Starting Defs:1
1.01 - RbyN - DeAndre Hopkins WR HOU
1.02 - NS - Antonio Brown WR PIT
1.03 - FM - Devonta Freeman RB ATL
1.04 - L - Josh Gordon WR CLE
2.01 - L - Alshon Jeffery WR PHI
2.02 - FM - T Y Hilton WR IND
2.03 - NS - Sammy Watkins WR LAR
2.04 - RbyN - 1.04
3.01 - RbyN - 1.05
3.02 - NS - 1.06
3.03 - FM - James Washington WR devy
3.04 - L - LeSean McCoy RB BUF
4.01 - L - Golden Tate WR DET
4.02 - FM - Andrew Luck QB IND
4.03 - NS - Corey Coleman WR CLE
4.04 - RbyN - Michael Crabtree WR OAK
5.01 - RbyN - Marvin Jones WR DET
5.02 - NS - Jamison Crowder WR WAS
5.03 - FM - Randall Cobb WR GB
5.04 - L - Tevin Coleman RB ATL
6.01 - L - D’Onta Foreman RB HOU
6.02 - FM - Jerrick McKinnon RB MIN
6.03 - NS - Emmanuel Sanders WR DEN
6.04 - RbyN - Matthew Stafford QB DET
7.01 - RbyN - Jimmy Garoppolo QB SF
7.02 - NS - Cousins, Kirk WAS QB
7.03 - FM - Kyle Rudolph TE MIN
7.04 - L - Tom Brady QB NE
8.01 - L - John Ross WR CIN
8.02 - FM - Chris Godwin WR TB
8.03 - NS - Jordan Reed TE WAS
8.04 - RbyN - Martavis Bryant WR PIT
9.01 - RbyN - Drew Brees QB NO
9.02 - NS - Jamaal Williams RB GB
9.03 - FM - Patrick Mahomes QB KCC
9.04 - L - Jimmy Graham TE SEA
10.01 - L - Delanie Walker TE TEN
10.02 - FM - 2.04
10.03 - NS - Tyrod Taylor QB BUF
10.04 - RbyN - Eric Ebron, TE DET
11.01 - RbyN - 2.05
11.02 - NS - Ty Montgomery RB GB
11.03 - FM - 2.06
11.04 - L - Duke Johnson RB CLE
12.01 - L - Julian Edelman WR NE
12.02 - FM - Zay Jones WR BUF
12.03 - NS - Jordan Matthews WR BUF
12.04 - RbyN - Muhammad Sanu WR ATL
13.01 - RbyN - Kenny Stills WR MIA
13.02 - NS - Jake Butt TE DEN
13.03 - FM - Bo Scarbrough RB Devy
13.04 - L - 3.04
14.01 - L. - 3.05
14.02 - FM - L J Scott RB Devy
14.03 - NS - Charles Clay TE BUF
14.04 - RbyN - 3.06
15.01 - RbyN - Pierre Garcon WR SFO
15.02 - NS - James White RB NE
15.03 - FM - Tyrell Williams WR LAC
15.04 - L - 4.04
16.01 - L - 4.05
16.02 - FM - Jared Cook TE OAK
16.03 - NS - 4.06
16.04 - RbyN - Jermaine Kearse, WR NYJ
17.01 - RbyN - Latavius Murray, RB MIN
17.02 - NS - DeSean Jackson WR TB
17.03 - FM - Carlos Henderson WR DEN
17.04 - L - Josh Reynolds WR LAR
18.01 - L - Mike Wallace WR BAL
18.02 - FM - Marshawn Lynch RB OAK
18.03 - NS - Teddy Bridgewater QB MIN
18.04 - RbyN - Decker, Eric WR TEN
19.01 - RbyN - Jesse James TE PIT
19.02 - NS - Peyton Barber RB TB
19.03 - FM - Mike Davis RB SEA
19.04 - L - Jeremy Hill RB CIN
20.01 - L - Jeremy Maclin WR BAL
20.02 - FM - Doug Martin RB TB
20.03 - NS - Javorius Allen RB BAL
20.04 - RbyN - Phillip Dorset WR NE
21.01 - RbyN - Ricardo Lewis WR CLE
21.02 - NS - Rod Smith RB DAL
21.03 - FM - Case Keennum QB MIN
21.04 - L - Damien Williams RB MIA
22.01 - L - Mike Gillislee RB NE
22.02 - FM - J D McKissic RB SEA
22.03 - NS - Charles Sims RB TB
22.04 - RbyN - Matt Forte RB NYJ
23.01 - RbyN - Thomas Rawls RB SEA
23.02 - NS - Steelers DEF
23.03 - FM - Chargers DEF
23.04 - L - Adrian Peterson RB ARI
24.01 - L - Denver DEF
24.02 - FM - Harrison Butker PK KCC
24.03 - NS - Jake Elliott PK PHI
24.04 - RbyN - Kansas City DEF
25.01 - RbyN - Matt Prater K DET
25.02 - NS - Jacquizz Rodgers RB TB
25.03 - FM - Brandon McManus K DEN
25.04 - L - Steven Hauschka K BUF
26.01 - L - Adam Vinatieri K IND
26.02 - FM - Jonathan Stewart RB CAR
26.03 - NS - Travis Bengamin WR LAC
26.04 - RbyN - Seth Roberts WR OAK
Devy league. Ppr
Total Starters:10
Number of Starting QBs:1
Number of Starting RBs:2-3
Number of Starting WRs:3-4
Number of Starting TEs:1-2
Number of Starting PKs:1
Number of Starting Defs:1
1.01 - RbyN - DeAndre Hopkins WR HOU
1.02 - NS - Antonio Brown WR PIT
1.03 - FM - Devonta Freeman RB ATL
1.04 - L - Josh Gordon WR CLE
2.01 - L - Alshon Jeffery WR PHI
2.02 - FM - T Y Hilton WR IND
2.03 - NS - Sammy Watkins WR LAR
2.04 - RbyN - 1.04
3.01 - RbyN - 1.05
3.02 - NS - 1.06
3.03 - FM - James Washington WR devy
3.04 - L - LeSean McCoy RB BUF
4.01 - L - Golden Tate WR DET
4.02 - FM - Andrew Luck QB IND
4.03 - NS - Corey Coleman WR CLE
4.04 - RbyN - Michael Crabtree WR OAK
5.01 - RbyN - Marvin Jones WR DET
5.02 - NS - Jamison Crowder WR WAS
5.03 - FM - Randall Cobb WR GB
5.04 - L - Tevin Coleman RB ATL
6.01 - L - D’Onta Foreman RB HOU
6.02 - FM - Jerrick McKinnon RB MIN
6.03 - NS - Emmanuel Sanders WR DEN
6.04 - RbyN - Matthew Stafford QB DET
7.01 - RbyN - Jimmy Garoppolo QB SF
7.02 - NS - Cousins, Kirk WAS QB
7.03 - FM - Kyle Rudolph TE MIN
7.04 - L - Tom Brady QB NE
8.01 - L - John Ross WR CIN
8.02 - FM - Chris Godwin WR TB
8.03 - NS - Jordan Reed TE WAS
8.04 - RbyN - Martavis Bryant WR PIT
9.01 - RbyN - Drew Brees QB NO
9.02 - NS - Jamaal Williams RB GB
9.03 - FM - Patrick Mahomes QB KCC
9.04 - L - Jimmy Graham TE SEA
10.01 - L - Delanie Walker TE TEN
10.02 - FM - 2.04
10.03 - NS - Tyrod Taylor QB BUF
10.04 - RbyN - Eric Ebron, TE DET
11.01 - RbyN - 2.05
11.02 - NS - Ty Montgomery RB GB
11.03 - FM - 2.06
11.04 - L - Duke Johnson RB CLE
12.01 - L - Julian Edelman WR NE
12.02 - FM - Zay Jones WR BUF
12.03 - NS - Jordan Matthews WR BUF
12.04 - RbyN - Muhammad Sanu WR ATL
13.01 - RbyN - Kenny Stills WR MIA
13.02 - NS - Jake Butt TE DEN
13.03 - FM - Bo Scarbrough RB Devy
13.04 - L - 3.04
14.01 - L. - 3.05
14.02 - FM - L J Scott RB Devy
14.03 - NS - Charles Clay TE BUF
14.04 - RbyN - 3.06
15.01 - RbyN - Pierre Garcon WR SFO
15.02 - NS - James White RB NE
15.03 - FM - Tyrell Williams WR LAC
15.04 - L - 4.04
16.01 - L - 4.05
16.02 - FM - Jared Cook TE OAK
16.03 - NS - 4.06
16.04 - RbyN - Jermaine Kearse, WR NYJ
17.01 - RbyN - Latavius Murray, RB MIN
17.02 - NS - DeSean Jackson WR TB
17.03 - FM - Carlos Henderson WR DEN
17.04 - L - Josh Reynolds WR LAR
18.01 - L - Mike Wallace WR BAL
18.02 - FM - Marshawn Lynch RB OAK
18.03 - NS - Teddy Bridgewater QB MIN
18.04 - RbyN - Decker, Eric WR TEN
19.01 - RbyN - Jesse James TE PIT
19.02 - NS - Peyton Barber RB TB
19.03 - FM - Mike Davis RB SEA
19.04 - L - Jeremy Hill RB CIN
20.01 - L - Jeremy Maclin WR BAL
20.02 - FM - Doug Martin RB TB
20.03 - NS - Javorius Allen RB BAL
20.04 - RbyN - Phillip Dorset WR NE
21.01 - RbyN - Ricardo Lewis WR CLE
21.02 - NS - Rod Smith RB DAL
21.03 - FM - Case Keennum QB MIN
21.04 - L - Damien Williams RB MIA
22.01 - L - Mike Gillislee RB NE
22.02 - FM - J D McKissic RB SEA
22.03 - NS - Charles Sims RB TB
22.04 - RbyN - Matt Forte RB NYJ
23.01 - RbyN - Thomas Rawls RB SEA
23.02 - NS - Steelers DEF
23.03 - FM - Chargers DEF
23.04 - L - Adrian Peterson RB ARI
24.01 - L - Denver DEF
24.02 - FM - Harrison Butker PK KCC
24.03 - NS - Jake Elliott PK PHI
24.04 - RbyN - Kansas City DEF
25.01 - RbyN - Matt Prater K DET
25.02 - NS - Jacquizz Rodgers RB TB
25.03 - FM - Brandon McManus K DEN
25.04 - L - Steven Hauschka K BUF
26.01 - L - Adam Vinatieri K IND
26.02 - FM - Jonathan Stewart RB CAR
26.03 - NS - Travis Bengamin WR LAC
26.04 - RbyN - Seth Roberts WR OAK
KC wasn't even trying on that last TD.
Trust me, I've watched him a ton. How much have you watched Crabtree? Guy has some of the best hands in the NFL and is an expert route runner. Being a young Crabtree is quite a compliment, IMO. Just not as much of a compliment as calling him WR1B.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
The only thing that really sticks out at first glance is Sammy over those picks. Pretty bad, IMO. RbyN is the winner.
Edit: I like the value on Coleman and Duke.
Edit: I like the value on Coleman and Duke.
Last edited by a moderator:
Concept Coop
Footballguy
It was man coverage at the GL and Hopkins abused Mitchell, who was very clearly trying.
Crabtree was never my dynasty 1B.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Hopkins can be a matter of taste.
I was down on him last year because he can't separate that well. Now I've kind of come around a little bit and understand he don't need to separate well to be open. His contest catch ability, body control and hands are absolutely as special as you'll ever see.
I was down on him last year because he can't separate that well. Now I've kind of come around a little bit and understand he don't need to separate well to be open. His contest catch ability, body control and hands are absolutely as special as you'll ever see.
I guess that is very true and I'm hoping he does cause that would be wonderful for my team.
Yeah talking to one of my friends we figured some owners would lean slightly either between a straight up 1.4 for Henry trade which is why I would want something on top of him since I'm not his biggest fan.
Good to know I am pretty close to perceived value right now tho
Andrew74
Footballguy
And he’s elite at pushing off. Gotta give him credit for working around his limitations.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The chicken or the egg, the RB or WR focus goes all the way back to discussions with Drugrunner and stud WR theory.
His focus would be to have one or more elite WR then focus the rest of the resources and roster spots on the RB position.
I have seen so many draft picks squandered away at the RB position, but you can afford to do that if the rest of your team is solid. Good RB come and go, its pretty rare for any of them to be elite for long.
In the research I did the average number of top 12 seasons for a RB was two.
Now of course there are RB who exceed this average, but just something to think about when investing so many picks into the RB position.
The last draft and this one looks strong at the RB position, so draft into the strength of the class and help your odds that way makes sense, but if you have some strong WR already and good players at other positions, then you have a bit more staying power with those players than you will with a stable of RB. And you are always in a position to win now if you can add enough RB talent, which opportunities present themselves a lot more frequently at the position, for stop gap producers, some of which will become long term values.
If you invest too heavy at RB and do not take care of your other core starting positions, then you do run the risk of a bit of fantasy purgatorial I think. For me a lot of dynasty is trying to convert high value short term assets for high value long term assets, and keep things going. Opportunities every year to sell high buy low and transfer value from RB to other positions. Then always a hot hand on the wire looking for new opportunities. Not investing too deeply into players who average 2 elite fantasy seasons, instead focusing on players who produce at a high level longer than that.
His focus would be to have one or more elite WR then focus the rest of the resources and roster spots on the RB position.
I have seen so many draft picks squandered away at the RB position, but you can afford to do that if the rest of your team is solid. Good RB come and go, its pretty rare for any of them to be elite for long.
In the research I did the average number of top 12 seasons for a RB was two.
Now of course there are RB who exceed this average, but just something to think about when investing so many picks into the RB position.
The last draft and this one looks strong at the RB position, so draft into the strength of the class and help your odds that way makes sense, but if you have some strong WR already and good players at other positions, then you have a bit more staying power with those players than you will with a stable of RB. And you are always in a position to win now if you can add enough RB talent, which opportunities present themselves a lot more frequently at the position, for stop gap producers, some of which will become long term values.
If you invest too heavy at RB and do not take care of your other core starting positions, then you do run the risk of a bit of fantasy purgatorial I think. For me a lot of dynasty is trying to convert high value short term assets for high value long term assets, and keep things going. Opportunities every year to sell high buy low and transfer value from RB to other positions. Then always a hot hand on the wire looking for new opportunities. Not investing too deeply into players who average 2 elite fantasy seasons, instead focusing on players who produce at a high level longer than that.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think you might be overpaying with that suggestion.
However the people who have Henry are likely very high on him.
He does make big plays fairly frequently, but on a play by play basis, he is still very inconsistent, while Murray more pedestrian, a bit more predictable as well.
Henry gets stuffed a lot.
It is all about opportunity through and Murray does seem like on his last legs. Even so the coaching staff trusts him more than Henry at this point it seems. There may be legit reasons for that. as frustrating as I can tell you it is as a Henry owner.
How the Titans do in this upcoming playoff game will have some affect on this I think.
In any case I think you could likely lower your price and still have chances of landing Henry if you want him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I have Henry in a 12 team PPR and was just offered pick 6 and Demaryius Thomas. I see the value as close to even but probably not taking it.
Pushing off, playing in garbage time, it doesn't really matter. I don't think I've ever seen more highlight reel catches in a season than Hopkins had this year. It seemed like every week he had multiple catches where I was sure he hadn't come down in bounds & the replay showed he did. I'm not sure what he puts on those gloves or whether or not it's legal, but I don't understand why every receiver in the league isn't doing it.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
He just seems like one of those guys that has "it". He's not particularly big, not particularly fast, not particularly strong, not particularly quick, but he just vacuums the ball in like Larry Fitzgerald in his prime. If it's near him, it just sticks to him. Amazing body control and ball skills. I wish I had a share of him somewhere because I really like watching him play.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You think Derrick Henry is worth less than 1.06? This class has some nice talent, but not enough of it to make that true imo. Especially the way Henry consistently flashed this year. Henry is at worst the 1.04 or 1.05 imo, and that's if you really like Sutton or Ridley and a 3rd RB after Barkley and Guice, like Penny or Jones II.
Yea the 1.6 and by a lot.
He's big and fast and in the open field when he gets going he's dangerous, maybe this is the consistent flashing you speak of but so much more to being a good every down RB. The concerns I had with him entering the league remain, most notably his slow build up speed and lack of lateral agility. Teams don't draft RB's to spend two years grooming, he just can't step up. Popular narrative is current Titan's staff is oddly enamored with Demarco. Not really what's going on here.
He is what I thought he was entering the league. Brandon Jacobs part two. He's big, he's fast, he's not garbage, but he's just not what teams are looking for in a feature back which is why he's still the backup after two years. Slow build up speed and lateral agility remain major issues. Change of pace backs are not always little guys and that's really what he is, don't let his size and big play ability fool you. He's giant COP back.
You would probably classify his game last week as flashing because he had one big play, he ran for 1.8 YPA.
It's not just me either, this is just stuff I can recall from reading past few days, this is not me gonig around eyeballing negative reports, I just read a lot and this is stuff I remember reading in past few days from my twitter feed:
* Paul KuharskyVerified account @PaulKuharskyNFL Jan 3
.@GregCosell on @Midday180: @Kareemhunt7 is a more powerful runner than Derrick Henry and weighs 30 pounds less. He's a finisher. Lateral agility in confined space is really, really good. #Chiefs #Titans
* Paul KuharskyVerified account @PaulKuharskyNFL Jan 3
.@GregCosell on @Midday180: Derrick Henry is kind of a slow plodding back. 12-yard run in third quarter was blocked really well, ran with nothing in his way, built up speed, made most of his size. Needs build-up room and speed to get to power. #Titans
*Jim WyattVerified account @jwyattsports Jan 2
Mularkey said Derrick Henry needs to hit the hole firmer and needs to move the pile on handoffs. Too many negative carries for @Titans on Sunday
* From this article which polled players and coaches: http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/264404/nfl-playoffs-confidential-tackling-todd-gurley-blitzing-tom-brady-stopping-aaron-donald-moree
On whether an opposing defense would rather see more of DeMarco Murray or Derrick Henry: "Derrick Henry. DeMarco Murray is more of a downhill, physical runner. Henry is a physical runner, but he's looking to bounce more than Murray. So while he's trying to hit the home run, that also lends itself to more short-yardage plays. Murray has also been in the league longer and knows more than Henry. He has more of that veteran savvy, which is what offenses are looking to use in the playoffs."
Barkley, Guice, Ronald Jones, Kerryon Johnson and Michel are all players I'd take over him right now today without needing to know combine or landing spot. That's 5 right here and I feel pretty safe saying that other than maybe more RB's I"d take over him I'm pretty sure some WR's will push one of these 5 RB's to 6 or later. So yes, I'd take 1.6 for him in a second.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That cant possibly be true. If YOU hate henry then so be it. But his value is easily higher than pick 6 to 95% or more of the fantasy world.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
I think to the average dynasty player it is right around 1.4 based on what I've seen so far and discussions I'm having on dealing him. I think you'd struggle to get more than 1.4 but I wouldn't sell for 1.6
Andrew74
Footballguy
I’d love to hear thoughts on Dalvin Cook. He’s been on my IR spot for so long, I haven’t thought much about him until a guy in my league starting sending me offers. He looked good and was decently involved in the passing game, but only for 3.5 games. Murray/McKinnon put up nice stats after he went down and MN looks like a good spot for the near future.
But we’ve seen 4-5 other rookies do well and now we have a solid crop of RBs entering in 2018. Where do you place him?
Gurley, Zeke, DJ, Barkley, Bell,
After this there’s a big pile that I have a hard time sorting out: Kamara, Hunt, Fournette, Freeman, Gordon, Mixon, Cook. I think I’d rank him after Kamara and Hunt for sure. It would seem he’s 8-12. Anyone rank him outside the top 12?
Let's assume PPR.
But we’ve seen 4-5 other rookies do well and now we have a solid crop of RBs entering in 2018. Where do you place him?
Gurley, Zeke, DJ, Barkley, Bell,
After this there’s a big pile that I have a hard time sorting out: Kamara, Hunt, Fournette, Freeman, Gordon, Mixon, Cook. I think I’d rank him after Kamara and Hunt for sure. It would seem he’s 8-12. Anyone rank him outside the top 12?
Let's assume PPR.
Last edited by a moderator:
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
I think your assessment it is about right, assuming this is ppr he is right around fournette in that list so he is 7 or 8 for me, list is missing McCaffrey by the way I have him over Freeman
Zyphros
Footballguy
I've never been a Cook fan, as I've said plenty all over this board, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but his brief success is more about that entire offense overachieving a bit to me and he isn't as good as advertised. He's a package guy for me that I would look to pair him with another mid range guy to get a top tiered RB. I don't own any shares of him but if I did own him that's what my plan would be. And I bet there would be some people who think of him as a top tiered RB and would glad to take a deal like that. Minnesota does seem like a good spot but like I said, I think it's more about overachieving with Keenum than anything else. He had a career year, it won't be as prolific in the future if they stay with him. Even if they go back to Bridgewater, who knows what kind of player he will be coming off his injury, and the chemistry he will have with any of those skill positions.
I assume you mean for PPR? So going through the list I take Gurley, Zeke, DJ, Bell, Kamara, Hunt, Freeman, Gordon, Fournette, Mixon, Howard, McCaffrey (not listed in any order) all ahead of him. Not including any of the 2018 class, which off the top of my head I'd probably have 2-3 RB's in that group ahead of Cook as well. That's 12 RB's ahead of Cook for me right now with 2-3 more after the NFL draft.
I assume you mean for PPR? So going through the list I take Gurley, Zeke, DJ, Bell, Kamara, Hunt, Freeman, Gordon, Fournette, Mixon, Howard, McCaffrey (not listed in any order) all ahead of him. Not including any of the 2018 class, which off the top of my head I'd probably have 2-3 RB's in that group ahead of Cook as well. That's 12 RB's ahead of Cook for me right now with 2-3 more after the NFL draft.
Andrew74
Footballguy
McCaffrey is a good catch.
Did Cook play with Keenum? I can't remember if who got hurt first - him or Bradford.
