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Ship has sailed on selling at his peak value - hold tight isbmt advice to all Alshin owners. He’s gonna be fine. He’s going to be the TD / redzone target for Wentz.voiceofunreason said:
Sounds like my new league.
I was not joking, although it was an oversimplified statement. The Zero-RB strategy would never have existing if not for PPR. It makes bellcow backs who cede 3rd down less valuable and makes middling talents who play 3rd down relevant.-OZ- said:
Just my humble opinion but the lineup affects value by position more than PPR. IMO. But yes, the combo of PPR and lineup has that effect. For a long time my main league allowed you to start 0-2 RBs. Almost nobody did at first but that slowly became popular, then we changed it to 1-2.
He had 17 carries and 5 targets in that Saints game and guess how many missed tackles? Two. Sometimes the defense just plays poorly or the line blocks well. He went untouched for his 46 yard score.gabes1919 said:
If you can start less than 2 RBs then RBs are not relevant enough. I'd probably turn down an invite for a league with that format. But even with normal/fixed lineups, Zero-RB was a viable strategy due solely to the PPR format. Like you said, it makes RBs relevant that wouldn't otherwise hold much value. I think it has a place - I like it for 14+ team leagues. You need that added talent pool there. But I think as the league has shifted away from bellow cow RBs AND become pass-first, PPR no longer serves the purpose it was designed for. Would be refreshing to find some more 0PPR leagues at this point.
It is a good question. I like both as 3rd QB or in a "stud+scrub" draft strategy. I view both as guys who are "one of the best 32 starters" but no upside. I think in 2QB, that type of player can be undervalued.
Mizelle shows Hilton (WR19) worth between 1.02 and 1.03, one slot above Alshon (WR20) , incidentally. No one owning either of these players is going to sell for 1.06.
No matter what Mizelle shows, I've venture a decent wager that greater than half of Alshon owners would sell for 1.06. Call them the wise half.
I see a pretty big disconnect between existing leagues and startups on these guys. I wouldn't part with 1.06~1.09 for any of them (maybe Hilton if we get really positive news on Luck in preseason but then his price will go up.) I highly doubt I could buy any of them for the 1.10 or later from their owners. The DT owner in one league wanted the 1.07 straight up from me, in a different league I got an offer of the 1.11+DT for Tyreek, no thanks on either.
The biggest question for me is who are you targeting at 1.06-1.09 that is going to produce more over the next 1 - 3 years? I don't think any of the QBs in this draft are worthy of that draft pick (unless you're in superflex/2QB), all of the best RBs will already be taken, and the consensus seems to be that this year's crop of WRs suck ###.
Highly disagree that they suck ###, that has become very overblown. There is no top-flight prospect, but I expect 2~3 of the WR's to go in the NFL 1st round and maybe not those exact 3 but I see at least 3 that I like to have a decent shot at turning into productive assets and possibly out-producing those guys in the twilight of their careers over the next 3 years. Neither of those guys are elite producers anymore, and IMO, the fantasy productive end is coming soon with DT turning 31 this year and Baldwin turning 30.
Obviously those kind of steals don't come around every year, but there are usually a few good to great picks in that range.I said I wouldn't give that for him, but I doubt you can buy him for that either as most owners are hoping for a Luck comeback. My leagues are PPR too but must be slightly different on the scoring rules because he was WR24. And that's because he played all 16 games, he was WR32 in PPG. Guys like Sterling Shepherd were out-producing him on a per game basis and they don't hold nearly the trade value.
Sure. But last year was a worst case / floor. You're probably right that his owners aren't trading him for a mid-late first.
I own him in a 16 man full IDP league, and wouldn't trade him for any less. If he starts the season healthy and puts up some numbers like his starting stretch last year, his value only goes up IMO, so I'm not especially incented to trade him.
True, I've actually targeted him but can't pry him away for cheap, but with so much Luck uncertainty I'm not willing to give those mid-level picks I spoke about before. If Luck doesn't look like he's coming back the same as before, Hilton's value will drop even further especially with him turning 30 next year.
Between them, Tate, theilen, those kind of guys, yes I think if you offered something 1.06-1.10 you’d get someone to bite. People are getting julio for 1.02/1.03, not baldwin or Hilton. Maybe you have to add something to it to get it done, but maybe not.
Interesting you say that.
If I had the WR depth and a hole at TE, I'd probably go for it. Value-wise it's close but a smidge light, imo.
Last week I offered Kamara and the 1.05 for OBJ and was turned down in a 12 team PPR. I’m considering adding the 1.11 to my offer, though not sure that would move the needle enough
I'm probably closer to this position. Moving OBJ leaves a sizable hole in a lineup. Unless you're burning things to the ground, a solid starter needs to come back. I don't think D.Henry is that level of solid. On one of my OBJ teams I have a black hole at TE and that's likely coloring my opinion.
I've had an offer of 1.07, 1.09, 2019 1st (7-12), and P.Richardson. Not unfair, but feels like it would gimp a team that should/could contend.
I traded OBJ a couple of months ago (before free agency started). 12 team PPR Keep 6
I'm not that terrified. If he's back I'm in great shape. If not, I try to survive with Keenum and Bradford. Nothing available for free agents and not willing to trade for a QB in a start 1 league. Maybe a mid-season trade if necessary, but not now.
Management has been wrong every step of the way. I personally don’t put much stock in their confidence.
Damn, that's a blockbuster trade. I might like your side better in a true dynasty, but with only a keep 6, it isn't as clear cut.
Ballard, the current GM, has been wrong every step of the way.
I stand corrected. I misread, thought Ballard was hired this year. Still not overly worried but that is a bit disheartening to learn
Can I ask why you're not overly worried? It's been well over a year and he's not even throwing footballs yet. I'm no doctor, of course, but if this isn't the time to freak out, when is?
