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I would probably trade a mid to late second for him. It's just hard to say how he's going to do in Washington, and I think Reed is going to be the top receiving dog there.
I think Reeds targets and Pryors targets arent going to be an issue. There will be enough to go around.
Bingo.
on the flip side of that coin, he did pretty well in spite of the dumpster fire carousel of qbs in Cle
I feel like those of us that got lucky and snagged Pryor at the right time last year on the WW or late in last year's Dynasty rookie/vet draft (which is what happened in most cases), and then watched him miraculously contribute week after week through the 6 QB carousel that was Cleveland, are really excited about his opportunity in Washington, and even longer term as he continues to demonstrate his growth.
It is hard to say if Pryor's value has gone up or down after landing in Washington. On the surface it seems like an improvement, but the uncertainty with Cousins and the 1 year deal and the fact that he didn't command a lot of $$ on the open market all make me a bit skeptical that he'll build upon what he did last year. On top of that, he is about to turn 28 which limits his dynasty value a little. All things considered I'd be selling if I could get a late first and buying for a mid 2nd. 1.12 sounds about right to me.
I think people would be surprised to find out that he'll be 28 prior to the season. I guess it's because people think he's still a "young WR", but forget he spent years as a QB.
Too rich for my blood. I'm not comfortable giving up anything higher than a high-3rd for him. He's got such a short dynasty shelf life, and he's not really going to be a difference-maker, IMO.If there wasn't already a Terrance West value thread, I'd ask about his value here. Ok, I'll ask here anyway
mid-2nd rounder (12 team) sounds about right to me.
I see Jarvis Landrys targets coming down slightly from 2016 in part because of the emergence of Parker.
Why do you believe he's overvalued? The dude had 77 rushes total as a RB. That's hardly any usage for a RB and from everything I've heard he's put on weight to carry the load more, looked great doing it and improved in everything with a year under his belt as focusing solely on the RB position. It's not unreasonable to expect double the rushes and the possibility of repeating his receiving numbers. Or is it? I'm curious. At worst I'd say he's due for 150 rushing attempts, unless one of these rookies absolutely dominates the first chance they get, which I find unlikely.Biabreakable said:
We can also look at this as they drafted two later round RBs for depth - since they literally had no one behind Montgomery (who is far from established). By no means do I think Montgomery has the job locked down but we shouldn't act like it's a lock that Williams or Jones will even be in the NFL in two years.Biabreakable said:
Why do you think that? West has shown he's a JAG... but with a one year opportunity. The Baltimore offense is mediocre, the OL isn't very good, and a 32 yo Woodhead was brought in to help with passing downs. I'm guessing West has low-end RB2 upside in PPR and a low-end RB3 floor. Jamaal Williams is a talented back who has a good shot at goal line carries right out of the gate and is likely a better pass blocker as a rookie than Ty Montgomery. If Ty gets Rodgers hit a few times, I think Jamaal could take over as the lead back in a very potent offense with an average to above average OL.
Jamaal Williams is more than likely JAG and may never get the same opportunity. The chance Jamaal Williams is a RB1 is pretty low. The player comparison on his NFL.com page is Stepfan Taylor. I think a good outcome for him is what West is now. Taking him over West you are hoping for the inside straight.
Without discussing Kupp specifically (who I do like) I think the concept of a "reach" in dynasty rookie drafts is overblown. What we're really talking about is consensus opinion almost "forcing" you to take the next guy up instead of who you really like when you're OTC. Obviously it would be better to trade down if you can and get something else and still get your guy but that also assumes 1) you can find a trade partner and 2) no one takes your guy before the draft reaches your new slot. If you personally think Kupp is the guy you want at 1.12, I would grab him rather than take another player and hope that Kupp falls to your next pick. If you are sure you can get him in the early second you could also try and trade up from 1.12 (which isn't always easy to do either.
While I like Williams more than most, I don't disagree that odds are against him. That said, in this player comparison I think I'd rather hope for the inside straight than settle for the J7 offsuit.
Hah, the NFL.com pages are a joke. You should look up some current studs and duds and look at the laughable comps and scouting reports on those guys.
made the following trade this week
IMO the most valuable thing of West, Jamaal Williams, and the mid 2nd used to take Williams is the pick. I am higher on West than you in that I think he will get volume. I would cast him more as a matchup play or flex play and less as a waste of a roster space. I would gladly take him if people were giving him away. If I had too many RB, I'd be willing to sell a better one if I had him and others to fall back on.
In May and June I was pretty successful passing on Kupp and picking him up later because at that stage he was in the late 2nd/early 3rd part of the draft where people were fine moving off of picks. This is significantly different than early 2nd where people still hold firm.
I agree that as a likely RB3 ppg type of player, he's a flex or matchup play, but personally, if he was on any of my teams, he'd never see the light of day unless I had more than one injury. If I had him, I'd gladly trade him for a future 2nd or for Jamaal Williams.
Percentage of routes run from the slot last season:
Yeah Amedola is going to see the biggest bump in that % from last season - health permitting of course.
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