Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (11 Viewers)

[kutta]

I own Rodgers & tried to get Goff, but was shot down. He wants Juju & Rodgers for Kelce & Goff. I already have Gronk.

Can you use a TE for a flex? 

I think Kelce and Goff for Juju and Rodgers is better for you than just Goff for Rodgers.

 

[Concept Coop]

I personally don't see the appeal of downgrading from Rodgers to Goff (and it is a clear and obvious downgrade).  Tyrod Taylor can be had for a 3rd and will be just as productive as Goff over the rest of the season.  Even if you're rebuilding, it feels weird to be worried about Rodgers calling it quits 5+ years from now.  At the very least, wait until next year and get full value.  

Edit: Or Alex Smith.

 

[Concept Coop]

I think they should be switched because once teams figure out this spread offense Watson is coming back down to earth.

Houston doesn't run a spread offense, BTW. 

 

[Milkman]

Houston doesn't run a spread offense, BTW. 

Semantics. They have all kinds of spread offensive plays built into the offense for Watson. Lots of easy reads for him. He's better than i thought but I'll be waiting for the regression and its certainly coming. Lets see how Watson adjusts when it defenses figure some stuff out on him. Dak has adjusted to all kinds of stuff thrown his way. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I personally don't see the appeal of downgrading from Rodgers to Goff (and it is a clear and obvious downgrade).  Tyrod Taylor can be had for a 3rd and will be just as productive as Goff over the rest of the season.  Even if you're rebuilding, it feels weird to be worried about Rodgers calling it quits 5+ years from now.  At the very least, wait until next year and get full value.  

Edit: Or Alex Smith.

It's weird the way people bail on QBs in their early/mid 30's, given the way that they salivate over players at other positions with just as much of their career left.  Rodgers probably has as many or nearly as many seasons left as Zeke or Todd Gurley, but you don't hear people saying "oh many I'm rebuilding so I've gotta move Zeke and Gurley because they only have like 6 years left".

By the time Aaron Rodgers turns 40, OBJ will be 32, David Johnson will be 33, and Todd Gurley will be 30.

 

[Concept Coop]

Semantics. They have all kinds of spread offensive plays built into the offense for Watson. Lots of easy reads for him. He's better than i thought but I'll be waiting for the regression and its certainly coming. Lets see how Watson adjusts when it defenses figure some stuff out on him. Dak has adjusted to all kinds of stuff thrown his way. 

You suggested the offense was gimmicky, and that's just not the case.  He's running a pretty demanding NFL sytle offense.  It's simplified, but that's normal for a rookie.  He's doing more pre-snap than Dak was doing last season.  And a lot of his big plays came as a result of him buying time and finding his 2nd+ read.  

Just 10-15 pages back you'll find me claiming that he's unlikely to be a difference maker.  I was wrong, to say the least.  He was doing special things for a rookie before the injury.  DC's will do their homework and I wouldn't be surprised to see a step back next season; but that's no reason to discredit the incredible start to his career. 

 

[Milkman]

You suggested the offense was gimmicky, and that's just not the case.  He's running a pretty demanding NFL sytle offense.  It's simplified, but that's normal for a rookie.  He's doing more pre-snap than Dak was doing last season.  And lot of his big plays came as a result of him buying time and finding his 2nd+ read.  

Just 5-10 pages back you'll find me claiming that he's unlikely to be a difference maker.  I was wrong, to say the least.  He was doing special things for a rookie before the injury.  DC's will do their homework and I wouldn't be surprised to see a step back next season; but that's no reason to discredit the incredible start to his career. 

As a Cowboys fan, I'd be interested in hearing what adjustments you feel Dak has been making.  Maybe I missed them.  

Sorry I'm not going to play this game with you. It seems you want to find something you can attack me with. I just don't engage in that anymore on here. Not worth it. You just said Watson doesn't run a spread offense when in fact he does lots of it. Lots and lots of easy reads. It gets harder and windows get tighter and that slow ball of his might get exposed. We'll see. 

 

[Concept Coop]

Sorry I'm not going to play this game with you. It seems you want to find something you can attack me with. I just don't engage in that anymore on here. Not worth it. You just said Watson doesn't run a spread offense when in fact he does lots of it. Lots and lots of easy reads. It gets harder and windows get tighter and that slow ball of his might get exposed. We'll see. 

If you mean shotgun and 3+ wide, sure; Houston does some of that.  But that's the very large majority of the NFL these days.  There is nothing gimmicky about their offense to be figured out.  

My apologies if my tone is off.  I'm not trying to attack you.  

 

[NeverEnough]

Can you use a TE for a flex? 

I think Kelce and Goff for Juju and Rodgers is better for you than just Goff for Rodgers.

We can use TE for flex, but I was planning to then trade Gronk or Kelce to get a RB upgrade.

 

[NeverEnough]

I personally don't see the appeal of downgrading from Rodgers to Goff (and it is a clear and obvious downgrade).  Tyrod Taylor can be had for a 3rd and will be just as productive as Goff over the rest of the season.  Even if you're rebuilding, it feels weird to be worried about Rodgers calling it quits 5+ years from now.  At the very least, wait until next year and get full value.  

Edit: Or Alex Smith.

I'm not rebuilding. I can win it all this year. I tried to get him to add D. Cook to the deal, but he will not move Cook for anything. Maybe I should ask for Mixon then? Making it Rodgers & Juju for Mixon, Goff & Kelce.

 

[NeverEnough]

I think that is still worth considering.

Float some offers out there of Gronk for a WR and see what you could get. I would imagine you could do better than JuJu for Gronk, then make both trades at the same time.

I really wanted to use Gronk to get a RB upgrade to really put my team over the top, though. Start 2 RB, 3 WR & 1 flex. My other WRs are Evans, Diggs, Landry, T. Hill, Richardson, Kupp & D. Westbrook. RBs are Ingram. L. Miller, Lynch, A. Collins, Ajayi & D. Murray

 

[jonramz]

As a value check... I've gotten AlshonJeffrey for a late 1st rounder and Diggs for K. Benjamin and a 2nd. 

 

[JFS171]

As a follow up to my earlier question about Williams vs. Corey Coleman, perhaps I should just ask generally what people have sold Williams for?  

I have him in one dynasty league, though I didn't set out to acquire him.  I wanted off the Carson ride before it blew up, and Williams was the best offer I got from a team stacked at WR and desperate for RB.  I didn't love Williams as a prospect though, and now I'm wondering if my dislike of him as a prospect is influencing my perception of his value too much.

I'd sell him for a mid-1 in a heartbeat.  I'd consider a late-1, but I doubt I'd sell for an early 2.  Does that jive with the rest of you?

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Julio Jones check ... guy in my league has put him on the block... what should I offer ( he is looking for combo of either players or players/picks as he is rebuilding and will decide best offer before Sunday?

KAllen, AThielen, JDoctson, Hogan, 1st Round Rookie Pick 2018

What would be a a good combo to throw my hat into the ring for Jones?

 

[NeverEnough]

As a value check... I've gotten AlshonJeffrey for a late 1st rounder and Diggs for K. Benjamin and a 2nd. 

I think you sold Diggs low there. I own him & would not take KB. I also own KB in another league & can't get any value.

 

[jonramz]

I think you sold Diggs low there. I own him & would not take KB. I also own KB in another league & can't get any value.

My bad if I was unclear... I got Diggs for KB and a 2nd

 

[NeverEnough]

My bad if I was unclear... I got Diggs for KB and a 2nd

Oh, then that's awesome.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As a value check... I've gotten AlshonJeffrey for a late 1st rounder and Diggs for K. Benjamin and a 2nd. 

Sounds about right for Jeffrey, somewhere around a mid to late 1st.

Diggs I worry is a lot of smoke and mirrors.  This year marks the third in a row that he's followed the EXACT same pattern of starting with an absurdly strong first month followed by a bunch of nagging injuries and underperformance.  At some point that becomes a trend, and that point may be now.  That said, KB/2nd is a good (and low) buying price to take a shot that he ever actually puts more than a month together.

 

[Biabreakable]

I really wanted to use Gronk to get a RB upgrade to really put my team over the top, though. Start 2 RB, 3 WR & 1 flex. My other WRs are Evans, Diggs, Landry, T. Hill, Richardson, Kupp & D. Westbrook. RBs are Ingram. L. Miller, Lynch, A. Collins, Ajayi & D. Murray

Your WR are strong enough that you won't miss JuJu too much if you did the deal where you are swapping Rodgers for Goff and JuJu for Kelce.

Your RB aren't that bad either for that matter. Your roster doesn't need Gronk and Kelce though, so you could shop Gronk for a RB or WR and see what you could get. You could likely pair Gronk with one of your RB to try to get Gurley, Elliot, Bell, Hunt, Fournete, Howard, McCaffrey, Kamara, Freeman. Theres really only a handful of RBs who would be clear upgrades over the guys you have.

Elliot might actually be suspended now so wouldn't help this year. This makes him a nice buy target,but likely wouldn't fit the upgrades your trying to make at least for this year. Elliot keeps having the suspension pushed off though so I am at the point where if he misses a game I will believe it when I see it. 

Freeman and Fournette seem like guys you could maybe buy right now, maybe Hunt after his bad game.

Based on what you have I think your RB are fine, just a bit old with Ingram, Murray and Lynch, but still productive players.

The thing that is hard at this point of year, is selling older RB to teams that are not contending this year. Those guys likely have little value to teams playing for 2018.

I dunno, if you want to upgrade at RB rather than WR you could just try selling JuJu for a RB instead of trying to work the QB/Kelce deal as well.

 

[Concept Coop]

As a follow up to my earlier question about Williams vs. Corey Coleman, perhaps I should just ask generally what people have sold Williams for?  

I have him in one dynasty league, though I didn't set out to acquire him.  I wanted off the Carson ride before it blew up, and Williams was the best offer I got from a team stacked at WR and desperate for RB.  I didn't love Williams as a prospect though, and now I'm wondering if my dislike of him as a prospect is influencing my perception of his value too much.

I'd sell him for a mid-1 in a heartbeat.  I'd consider a late-1, but I doubt I'd sell for an early 2.  Does that jive with the rest of you?

Something projected in the 1.07-1.09 range feels about right.  Even in what appears to be a pretty deep class, I wouldn't let him go for less than that. 

 

[NeverEnough]

Your WR are strong enough that you won't miss JuJu too much if you did the deal where you are swapping Rodgers for Goff and JuJu for Kelce.

Your RB aren't that bad either for that matter. Your roster doesn't need Gronk and Kelce though, so you could shop Gronk for a RB or WR and see what you could get. You could likely pair Gronk with one of your RB to try to get Gurley, Elliot, Bell, Hunt, Fournete, Howard, McCaffrey, Kamara, Freeman. Theres really only a handful of RBs who would be clear upgrades over the guys you have.

Elliot might actually be suspended now so wouldn't help this year. This makes him a nice buy target,but likely wouldn't fit the upgrades your trying to make at least for this year. Elliot keeps having the suspension pushed off though so I am at the point where if he misses a game I will believe it when I see it. 

Freeman and Fournette seem like guys you could maybe buy right now, maybe Hunt after his bad game.

Based on what you have I think your RB are fine, just a bit old with Ingram, Murray and Lynch, but still productive players.

The thing that is hard at this point of year, is selling older RB to teams that are not contending this year. Those guys likely have little value to teams playing for 2018.

I dunno, if you want to upgrade at RB rather than WR you could just try selling JuJu for a RB instead of trying to work the QB/Kelce deal as well.

Gurley & Bell owners already said no. I traded Zeke away earlier in the year. I'd love to grab Fournette or Hunt.

 

[Spike]

The last time I tried to do dynasty rankings was last January, so we have about half of the regular season played now which certainly changes things now. Also my last ranking did not include any rookie players. 

I usually don't like slotting rookie players with veterans until those players have played 2-3 seasons in the NFL. For those comparisons I usually go back to my rookie rankings as far as what tier I ranked them. For me Ajayi was a tier one rookie. Right there with Gordon as a prospect in my view. He was drafted later than I expected, so that information would be a bit of a downgrade, but I still believe Ajayis talent level was/is similar to Gordon, and as a tier one player still in the same tier as Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey and Mixon for me.

I am somewhat not sure why these rookie players who have not proven what Ajayi did n 2016 in their careers yet would be catapulted ahead of players like Ajayi and Gordon automatically upon entering the NFL?

I know some people do that, I don't. I don't rank the rookies with the veteran players until after they have played a couple seasons. So we differ as far as the view point that rookies coming in 2018 will push Ajayi down in rankings, to me that is premature.

What my rookie tiers mean is that I see the players upside being either top 12 (tier one) top 24 (Tier two) or top 36 (tier three). I give these rookies 3 seasons to reach that upside target before ranking them with the veteran players. WIth RBs you often can know a bit sooner than this, such as two seasons, but sometimes you cant. This is a seasonal ranking, as I think that is how players should be measured for dynasty, in terms of the quality and quantity of their seasons, not games which is a smaller scale or more discrete ranking. You do make an excellent point as far as Ajayi only having 4 really strong games so far in his career. However it is a bit arbitrary as well, some of his other games should be considered good enough and those four games were exceptionally impressive.

Jay Ajayi did hit this upside target last year when he was a top 12 RB. So for the way I am ranking the rookies, I think my ranking was correct. The reason it takes more than one season to judge the ranking is often you will have players who do not hit that target in their rookie season, which historically is a RBs worst season on average. The best season for a RB on average is their 3rd season.

Melvin Gordon similar to Ajayi did not reach the tier one target in his rookie season. It would have been premature in my view to dismiss Ajayi or Gordon as tier one rookie prospects after their rookie seasons. Both did hit that tier one in their second seasons. Todd Gurley hit this target as a rookie, then fell off to RB 19 in his second season. So in that sense going in to the 2017 season all 3 RB were equal in my point of view. Each had one top 12 season and one season not as good in their two year careers. 

Now in year three Gurley and Gordon are top 12 RBs. Ajayi is not after 8 weeks. So there is some reason to drop Ajayi down at this point. However looking at this in a longer term point of view, it is still early to really say that in my view. It is a perspective based more on what has happened with the players recently this season, instead of a longer term point of view.

I have always had Gurley and Gordon ahead of Ajayi, but as rookie prospects Ajayi in the same tier as those two. Now with 2.5 seasons played I think that is correct. Gurley and Gordon are looking like they will have 2 out of 3 of their first 3 seasons as top 12 RB. Ajayi will need some monster games over the rest of the season to have a second top 12 season. So those two are higher than Ajayi. In fact going into last season when I ranked all of the players in January, I had Gurley, Gordon, Freeman, Howard all one tier ahead of Ajayi in those rankings (that did not include rookies) and I had Ajayi as the first player of the next tier which included RBs McCoy, Henry, Hyde, Miller, Ingram.

What has happened with Ajayi this year has not really changed my point of view about him being in the same tier as these players. It is always possible that Ajayi does well with the Eagles and returns to the top 12 of RBs in the 2018 season if not this year.

I am reluctant to judge any of the 2017 rookies based only on this season, but I would rather have Cook and Fournette than Ajayi for sure. McCaffrey and Mixon are closer to Ajayi in my view not clearly ahead of him.

FWIW here are my January rankings which was posted in another thread around here that I don't feel like looking for right now. These rankings look at statistical performance of the players in a few different ways, their age and outlook for upcoming seasons, then gun to the head method for ranking the players inside a tier. I didn't really finish these so they get worse or I have less confidence in the tiers the deeper the list goes.

Odell Beckham 25
David Johnson 25

Ezekiel Elliot 22
Mike Evans 24

Antonio Brown 29
Julio Jones 28
LeVeon Bell 25
Amari Cooper 23
Sammy Watkins 23
TY Hilton 27
AJ Green 29
DeAndre Hopkins 25
Allen Robinson

Keenan Allen 25
Brandin Cooks 24
Rob Gronkowski 28
Todd Gurley 23
Melvin Gordon 24
Devonta Freeman 25
Michael Thomas
Javis Landry
Travis Kelce
DeMarius Thomas
Jordan Howard
Dez Bryant 29
Alshon Jeffrey

As far as FBGs dynasty rankers you mention I trust Couch Potato rankings for dynasty more than the other two, because I understand the process and methodology that goes into his rankings, while I am not aware of the methodology employed by the others for this purpose.

You state 3 years for ranking rookies yet you have Elliott second overall.

 

[Biabreakable]

You state 3 years for ranking rookies yet you have Elliott second overall.

I do usually try to rank the players after their first season in the league. I do so with some reservations however and at least in my mind I keep the rookie tiers separate from the veteran rankings, although because of the nature of how I rank the rookies, I can slot them with the veteran players based on their upside, top 12, top 24 or top 36 upside respectively. Because this is upside, that I give those players 3 years to reach however, its still somewhat different than ranking the veteran players who do have one or more seasons of productivity to place them in a tier.

In the case of Elliot he was the highest ranked RB in my rookie rankings so far. I made a new tier just for him that I called tier 11 out of respect for Spinal Taps scene, these amps go to 11. Because of his draft position, being a pretty much flawless RB prospect with high quality in every trait based skill including pass protection and the quality of the Dallas offensive line. So Elliot a pretty unique player as far as that goes.

I hope that makes sense?

Although I recognize that it is somewhat contradictory. I do refer to my rookie rankings of players during their first 3 seasons in the league for comparison, until those players have 3 seasons in the league, or until they have produced at the level of their upside already. This is something that people have told me to let go of at times, but that is the way I think about them, and how I try to bridge the gaps for players who haven't played enough games in the NFL for me to rank them just based off of that, how they have performed. This has come into play for players such as Keenan Allen, Sammy Watkins and others who missed a lot of games early in their careers due to injury, or for players who did not earn starting position right away in their careers, such as Jay Ajayi, Derrick Henry ect. I will still lean on the rookie rankings for those players instead of how they have performed in the NFL for their first 2-3 seasons. In some cases a players first 3 seasons doesn't seem enough, due to them missing a lot of games early on in their careers

 

[-OZ-]

I own Rodgers & tried to get Goff, but was shot down. He wants Juju & Rodgers for Kelce & Goff. I already have Gronk.

If you can flex a TE or trade one, that's a deal worth doing if you like Goff. 

 

[King of the Jungle]

Might be a good time to pickup Davis Webb. Low cost or free. Excellent group of young targets to work with (OBJ, Engram, Shepherd). Webb's talent can be debated but he has enough tools for potential upside. Could be the version of NY's Prescott next year. For the cost I think it is worth exploring.

 

[bmsarvis]

I'm  curious on shadys value. I was recently offered lesean McCoy and a late 2nd for mixon in a .5 ppt 10 team dynasty. We start 2 rbs and can flex another.  My teams in contention as I'm currently in 2nd place but I am a little rb needy. I have Hyde , kamara, mixon as my starters with Abdullah, hill ,lacy, Dion lewis, burkhead, jalen richard, deangelo henderson and carson on the bench. I pretty easily declined the offer and got a wow response... opinions??

 

[Biabreakable]

Might be a good time to pickup Davis Webb. Low cost or free. Excellent group of young targets to work with (OBJ, Engram, Shepherd). Webb's talent can be debated but he has enough tools for potential upside. Could be the version of NY's Prescott next year. For the cost I think it is worth exploring.

The Giants may draft a QB high next year, but yeah Webb makes sense as a speculative add to see what happens.

I haven't really watched Webb myself but I have heard some pretty negative talk about him as a QB prospect.

 

[NeverEnough]

I'm  curious on shadys value. I was recently offered lesean McCoy and a late 2nd for mixon in a .5 ppt 10 team dynasty. We start 2 rbs and can flex another.  My teams in contention as I'm currently in 2nd place but I am a little rb needy. I have Hyde , kamara, mixon as my starters with Abdullah, hill ,lacy, Dion lewis, burkhead, jalen richard, deangelo henderson and carson on the bench. I pretty easily declined the offer and got a wow response... opinions??

I sold McCoy preseason for a 2018 1st, D. Adams & Gronk

 

[bmsarvis]

That' crazy... I would've sold as well.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I sold McCoy preseason for a 2018 1st, D. Adams & Gronk

Points per Bills league?

 

[-OZ-]

I sold McCoy preseason for a 2018 1st, D. Adams & Gronk

Yikes. I don't think I'd have gotten 1/3 of that value.

 

[NeverEnough]

What is Fuller's dynasty PPR value right now? I just acquired him in a deal that got me Fournette. I'd love to move Fuller + another player for an upgrade if possible.

 

[kutta]

I sold McCoy preseason for a 2018 1st, D. Adams & Gronk

That’s ridiculous. A case could be made that McCoy is worth any one of those pieces, not all three. And actually, he may not even be worth one of those pieces.

Someone really made that trade?

 

[NeverEnough]

That’s ridiculous. A case could be made that McCoy is worth any one of those pieces, not all three. And actually, he may not even be worth one of those pieces.

Someone really made that trade?

I guess he was high on McCoy. I was not going to say no. With that said, he is #1 in the league right now. Not sure how as his team is not some powerhouse. FF is a lot of luck!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

What are people's thoughts on Chris Thompson, especially with Kelley likely taking another extended leave?

Currently RB11 in ppg, but I tried offering him up to several contenders with very weak RBs for likely late 1st round picks and all were rejected without counter.  Where does his value lie?  One 2nd?  Two?

 

[Concept Coop]

What is Fuller's dynasty PPR value right now? I just acquired him in a deal that got me Fournette. I'd love to move Fuller + another player for an upgrade if possible.

It's going to be hard to move him for fair value right now, with Watson out.  I think he's worth a late first, but don't know that you'll get that until next season.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I sold McCoy preseason for a 2018 1st, D. Adams & Gronk

in a dynasty? That's insanity on the part of the guy getting McCoy - I could see him being traded for any single piece on the other side and not be sure which side won.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'm  curious on shadys value. I was recently offered lesean McCoy and a late 2nd for mixon in a .5 ppt 10 team dynasty. We start 2 rbs and can flex another.  My teams in contention as I'm currently in 2nd place but I am a little rb needy. I have Hyde , kamara, mixon as my starters with Abdullah, hill ,lacy, Dion lewis, burkhead, jalen richard, deangelo henderson and carson on the bench. I pretty easily declined the offer and got a wow response... opinions??

I'd pass.  While it likely helps your starting lineup, I think you'd be losing value.  McCoy and a late 1st feels closer to market value.  I'd try dangling Mixon for Freeman or Ingram+ in your shoes.  You might even be able to get a sweetener with Freeman right now.  

 

[Concept Coop]

What are people's thoughts on Chris Thompson, especially with Kelley likely taking another extended leave?

Currently RB11 in ppg, but I tried offering him up to several contenders with very weak RBs for likely late 1st round picks and all were rejected without counter.  Where does his value lie?  One 2nd?  Two?

I think an early-to-mid 2nd.  It's just hard to see him keeping this production up moving forward.  He's likely to have more competition from both the backs and receiving corps next season.  His production is also trending down, so he'll be a hard move until he turns in a good performance.  He's ~16/PPG currently, but I wouldn't feel confident expecting that from him moving forward.  

Edit: He's a tough call, however.  I would't pay more than a 2nd, but see an argument for him being worth a late 1st.  

 

[FreeBaGeL]

 His production is also trending down

That is true, but it's also worth noting that it looks Kelley will be out for the foreseeable future, possibly all the way through the fantasy playoffs.

Thompson averaged 12 carries and 163 total yards in the few games that Kelley missed this year, versus 5 carries and 64 total yards per game in the games where Kelley played.

We're coming up against most trade deadlines so there may not be an opportunity to move him after his next game in many leagues, but he might make a decent buy right now for teams needing RB help and looking to make a run.

I agree that going forward he is unlikely to see a season like this again unless Washington totally whiffs on their offseason additions.

 

[NeverEnough]

in a dynasty? That's insanity on the part of the guy getting McCoy - I could see him being traded for any single piece on the other side and not be sure which side won.

Yes, dynasty. I was amazed when he made that offer. I had to take it

 

[NeverEnough]

Your WR are strong enough that you won't miss JuJu too much if you did the deal where you are swapping Rodgers for Goff and JuJu for Kelce.

Your RB aren't that bad either for that matter. Your roster doesn't need Gronk and Kelce though, so you could shop Gronk for a RB or WR and see what you could get. You could likely pair Gronk with one of your RB to try to get Gurley, Elliot, Bell, Hunt, Fournete, Howard, McCaffrey, Kamara, Freeman. Theres really only a handful of RBs who would be clear upgrades over the guys you have.

Elliot might actually be suspended now so wouldn't help this year. This makes him a nice buy target,but likely wouldn't fit the upgrades your trying to make at least for this year. Elliot keeps having the suspension pushed off though so I am at the point where if he misses a game I will believe it when I see it. 

Freeman and Fournette seem like guys you could maybe buy right now, maybe Hunt after his bad game.

Based on what you have I think your RB are fine, just a bit old with Ingram, Murray and Lynch, but still productive players.

The thing that is hard at this point of year, is selling older RB to teams that are not contending this year. Those guys likely have little value to teams playing for 2018.

I dunno, if you want to upgrade at RB rather than WR you could just try selling JuJu for a RB instead of trying to work the QB/Kelce deal as well.

I ended up trading Juju & Ajayi for Fournette & Fuller.

 

[NeverEnough]

I'd pass.  While it likely helps your starting lineup, I think you'd be losing value.  McCoy and a late 1st feels closer to market value.  I'd try dangling Mixon for Freeman or Ingram+ in your shoes.  You might even be able to get a sweetener with Freeman right now.  

As an Ingram owner, I would not trade him for Mixon.

 

[fruity pebbles]

As an Ingram owner, I would not trade him for Mixon.

If i were rebuilding I definitely would

 

[Concept Coop]

Thoughts on Robby Anderson?  What are his chances of being the Jets' top WR next season?  I haven't had a chance to watch him much during his recent run, but he's been consistently productive for 5 weeks now.  The TD rate will come back down to earth, surely, but can he keep the target share longterm?  

Same question for Funchess.

 

[Biabreakable]

I ended up trading Juju & Ajayi for Fournette & Fuller.

 Most of your trades seem more in your favor than this one which to me seems like more of a lateral move.

I suppose the confidence in Fournette over Ajayi makes sense. I would rather have JuJu than Fuller.

 

[NeverEnough]

 Most of your trades seem more in your favor than this one which to me seems like more of a lateral move.

I suppose the confidence in Fournette over Ajayi makes sense. I would rather have JuJu than Fuller.

I see it the same as you, but I am high on Fournette so had to do it. I felt it was a fair deal. I'll try to move Fuller in the offseason. Still trying to work out a Kelce deal.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Thoughts on Robby Anderson?  What are his chances of being the Jets' top WR next season?  I haven't had a chance to watch him much during his recent run, but he's been consistently productive for 5 weeks now.  The TD rate will come back down to earth, surely, but can he keep the target share longterm?  

Same question for Funchess.

I've watched most of his games, as a Jets fan. At first, I was not a believer in his long term success, as I thought he was mostly just a deep threat. He's starting to develop, however, into a solid route runner and he's showing some strength and toughness despite being a bean-pole. I'm still not sure he's suited to be a team's top WR, but I'm coming around to him being a solid NFL WR2. What the team does at QB will have a lot to do with his fantasy success of course and that's still up in the air. He's surely worth a roster spot. 

 

[Concept Coop]

 Most of your trades seem more in your favor than this one which to me seems like more of a lateral move.

I suppose the confidence in Fournette over Ajayi makes sense. I would rather have JuJu than Fuller.

I really like the Fournette side, personally, and would move JuJu and Ajayi for Fournette alone.  I view it as a 1st round startup pick for a 3rd and 4th..  

 

[JFS171]

Thoughts on Robby Anderson?  What are his chances of being the Jets' top WR next season?  I haven't had a chance to watch him much during his recent run, but he's been consistently productive for 5 weeks now.  The TD rate will come back down to earth, surely, but can he keep the target share longterm?  

Same question for Funchess.

I'll be watching Funchess closely tonight.  At the time of the trade, I thought Kelvin was twice the receiver Funchess was on the outside.  Funchess in the slot can win consistently much like Marques Colston used to do, but Carolina doesn't like to use Funchess there (which has been rather frustrating as a fan).  Funchess' emergence this year was largely due to Olsen's injury opening up slot targets for him, though he still played some on the outside.

Funchess is quite slow, and I'm skeptical he can win consistently outside (which is why the trade of Benjamin frustrated me so much).  I agree Carolina needed more speed on the field, but I thought that could've been accomplished with Benjamin on one side, Samuel on the other, and Funchess in the slot full time.  Instead, they're more likely to run a lot of 2 TE down the stretch with Olsen and Dickson and Funchess on the outside.

While I'm skeptical of Funchess in the long run for this very reason (inability to consistently win on the outside), I'm also skeptical Marty Hurney is smart enough to change anything next year from a personnel standpoint, and I'm afraid Carolina keeps the same coaching staff in place which may not benefit Funchess in the long term either.

I believe if put in the slot, Funchess would be an above average NFL WR, and if force fed targets like Colston once was, I think Funchess could be pretty productive.  I'm less convinced of that on the outside, but I'm also less convinced this regime will acknowledge that.  Thus, we're left with a less efficient player being force fed volume (I believe).  How long does that last?

FWIW, I traded Funchess away for Fuller earlier this year because of everything I've outlined above, and while Fuller will likely always have drops and will never be the primary guy with Hopkins there, I think he's more consistently successful in beating his man, which I believe is most important in the long run.