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Am I in your league? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want to face Zeke and DJ next year.Because we trade &draft better than you it seems lol
Am I in your league? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want to face Zeke and DJ next year.Because we trade &draft better than you it seems lol
That's ok because I have Ingram & Fournette & the 1.01 pick from another trade. I'm goodAm I in your league? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want to face Zeke and DJ next year.
Eye of the beholder perhaps but I don't think Diggs comes close to the 1.2. In my leagues, demand for RBs is returning to its glory days (and it never really went away).I'm not saying he's worth it, but that's about who you can get for the 1.02 right now. He's going ahead of Guice in startup mocks. I'm sure the 1.02 will demand a fair bit more than Diggs soon enough - and maybe now in some leagues.
Comfortable with DJ and Kamara but still trying to trade for the 1.01. Thinking a pair of quality players; Howard/Juju perhaps? Team has great depth and could make a legitimate bid for 1.01.Am I in your league? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want to face Zeke and DJ next year.
Agree, Diggs seems considerably overvalued in this thread. I own the 1.2 in a PPR dynasty league and would not even consider trading it for Diggs.Eye of the beholder perhaps but I don't think Diggs comes close to the 1.2
I'm in several leagues where I face that combo. Makes sense because those leagues all have draft playoffs and DJ went on a tear during the playoff weeks and won a lot of his owners Elliot.Am I in your league? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want to face Zeke and DJ next year.
Who would you trade it for?Agree, Diggs seems considerably overvalued in this thread. I own the 1.2 in a PPR dynasty league and would not even consider trading it for Diggs.
You can add Barkley and Bell to that list.Probably Zeke, Gurley, and DJ. Although I think the gap between them and the next group will shrink by May.
I love Bell but there’s no way you’ll get what you’re looking for. You expect someone to give up Barkley + McCaffrey/Cook/Mixon + a couple 1sts? That’s crazy. Even for Bell.Thoughts on LeVeon going forward? I think I'll be looking to sell him this offseason. This is partly due to having an aging team that needs to retool but a few other reasons..
- Free agent status. I think he's likely to return to PIT but this is no guarantee
- Aging Big Ben. Big Ben may retire, and if he doesn't he is still just one significant injury from hanging it up. PIT offense could fall off a cliff without him
- Injury history, combined with major workload this season
- IMO this will be the last offseason you can get full value before his age starts to bring his price down
I'll probably be looking to try and swing something like the 1.01 plus another decent piece or McCaffrey/Cook/Mixon + a couple 1sts
I think you missed the "or" in there.I love Bell but there’s no way you’ll get what you’re looking for. You expect someone to give up Barkley + McCaffrey/Cook/Mixon + a couple 1sts? That’s crazy. Even for Bell.
I think you need to wait it out for now. His price will probably jump back up come summer, but the heavy workload is fresh in people's minds and there's uncertainty about him going into 18. Buyers don't like uncertainty.Thoughts on LeVeon going forward? I think I'll be looking to sell him this offseason. This is partly due to having an aging team that needs to retool but a few other reasons..
- Free agent status. I think he's likely to return to PIT but this is no guarantee
- Aging Big Ben. Big Ben may retire, and if he doesn't he is still just one significant injury from hanging it up. PIT offense could fall off a cliff without him
- Injury history, combined with major workload this season
- IMO this will be the last offseason you can get full value before his age starts to bring his price down
I'll probably be looking to try and swing something like the 1.01 plus another decent piece or McCaffrey/Cook/Mixon + a couple 1sts
A first for McCoy would be ill advised in my opinion.Wondering what sort of pick a "buyer" would pay for Mccoy these days. I can see paying a 1st. The question is how high of a 1st.
I personally wouldn’t pay more than a mid 2nd for him. I don’t like what I’ve read about his injury. Even beyond that, there is a lot of young QB talent out there now. The only QBs commanding a 1st round pick in trade from me would be Rodgers, Wilson, Wentz and Watson.What is Andrew Luck worth now?
He still has to be a top 5 QB, albeit with more risk than we'd like.
Full disclosure, I'm about to participate in a dispersal draft and he's the guy I'm having the hardest time projecting his slot. Getting a decent qb in the draft won't be tough, so there's no need to reach.
In relation to draft picks, is luck worth a mid first? I'm guessing late first but really I'm not sure.
Different now vs November when I bought him, but I got him for Rivers and spare idp parts.What is Andrew Luck worth now?
He still has to be a top 5 QB, albeit with more risk than we'd like.
Full disclosure, I'm about to participate in a dispersal draft and he's the guy I'm having the hardest time projecting his slot. Getting a decent qb in the draft won't be tough, so there's no need to reach.
In relation to draft picks, is luck worth a mid first? I'm guessing late first but really I'm not sure.
That's a steal.Different now vs November when I bought him, but I got him for Rivers and spare idp parts.
Gordon would have to be my RB4 for me to sell him for a mid-first since those rookie picks already start getting into "dart throw" territory imo. I have him as my 2nd/3rd RB in one non-ppr league (with Gurley and Hunt) and I don't know if I'd give up the "sure thing" of Gordon for a mid-first. Granted, when I watch Gordon play, I see a really good RB, while others simply see a volume-dependent RB.Zyphros said:With the recent RB talk, Melvin Gordon seems like a sell so what would he be worth to some in a PPR league? I'm thinking the 1.04-1.07 depending on how high you are on some of those projected guys. But I could be wrong. Am I being too optimistic about him?
We have a pretty clear top5 RB's for dynasty in Bell, DJ, Zeke, Gurley, Barkley it seems. Then there's questions on everyone after, like Howard (not much of a pass catcher), Freeman (being used more as a feature back but Coleman is still there), and then guys like Hunt, Kamara, McCaffrey, Fournette, and Cook all vying for those spots too.
I guess I'm trying to figure out the middle ground between guys like you who see a good RB and the guys who see the volume dependent RB. So the guys that see a really good RB like you wouldn't sell for a mid 1st, would you sell for Guice who my guess is the 1.02?Gordon would have to be my RB4 for me to sell him for a mid-first since those rookie picks already start getting into "dart throw" territory imo. I have him as my 2nd/3rd RB in one non-ppr league (with Gurley and Hunt) and I don't know if I'd give up the "sure thing" of Gordon for a mid-first. Granted, when I watch Gordon play, I see a really good RB, while others simply see a volume-dependent RB.
Admittedly, I don't follow college football so I just follow the heard when it comes to rookie rankings, but if the word is that Guice is looking like a shoe in at 1.02, and a tier ahead of the other RBs, then I'd probably sell Gordon for him. Again, if it trust another shark pool thread that says there's a top 4 grouping of RBs and then a drop off, not sure I'd trade Gordon for anyone below that group of 4. Ok, I'm obviously out of my depth when talking about rookie RBs at this time of yearI guess I'm trying to figure out the middle ground between guys like you who see a good RB and the guys who see the volume dependent RB. So the guys that see a really good RB like you wouldn't sell for a mid 1st, would you sell for Guice who my guess is the 1.02?
I'd have to go with youth given Bell is now 5 year into his career.ghostguy123 said:Assuming Barkley doesnt go to Cleveland, Bell vs pick #1 is an interesting debate.
Zyphros said:With the recent RB talk, Melvin Gordon seems like a sell so what would he be worth to some in a PPR league? I'm thinking the 1.04-1.07 depending on how high you are on some of those projected guys. But I could be wrong. Am I being too optimistic about him?
We have a pretty clear top5 RB's for dynasty in Bell, DJ, Zeke, Gurley, Barkley it seems. Then there's questions on everyone after, like Howard (not much of a pass catcher), Freeman (being used more as a feature back but Coleman is still there), and then guys like Hunt, Kamara, McCaffrey, Fournette, and Cook all vying for those spots too.
offered L Miller, A Jeffery, 3.06 for Gordon, 2.04Zyphros said:With the recent RB talk, Melvin Gordon seems like a sell so what would he be worth to some in a PPR league? I'm thinking the 1.04-1.07 depending on how high you are on some of those projected guys. But I could be wrong. Am I being too optimistic about him?
We have a pretty clear top5 RB's for dynasty in Bell, DJ, Zeke, Gurley, Barkley it seems. Then there's questions on everyone after, like Howard (not much of a pass catcher), Freeman (being used more as a feature back but Coleman is still there), and then guys like Hunt, Kamara, McCaffrey, Fournette, and Cook all vying for those spots too.
FWIW, I would put Hunt, Kamara, Fournette, and Cook closer to DJ/Bell than I would to Howard/Freeman. I wouldn't trade any of those guys for Gordon (without something substantial added - more than a mid-late 1st).Zyphros said:With the recent RB talk, Melvin Gordon seems like a sell so what would he be worth to some in a PPR league? I'm thinking the 1.04-1.07 depending on how high you are on some of those projected guys. But I could be wrong. Am I being too optimistic about him?
We have a pretty clear top5 RB's for dynasty in Bell, DJ, Zeke, Gurley, Barkley it seems. Then there's questions on everyone after, like Howard (not much of a pass catcher), Freeman (being used more as a feature back but Coleman is still there), and then guys like Hunt, Kamara, McCaffrey, Fournette, and Cook all vying for those spots too.
I would probably take that even without the 1st.I don't know if this helps, but as a Gordon owner I recently turned down Mixon + Mike Williams + late (devy-weakened) 1st. PPR, start 2-4 RBs.
Miller is junk IMO. That is like Jeffery for Gordon. Gordon isn't great, but I would sit on him instead of that.offered L Miller, A Jeffery, 3.06 for Gordon, 2.04
So many 2018 players are rostered in this devy league that its basically a mid-late 2nd or worse. I didn't really factor it in. And Williams is so risky to me. I told the guy I might do Mixon and a guy like Diggs, but no go.I would probably take that even without the 1st.
I can definitely see these arguments, and I'm still struggling with it. Mixon definitely has that upside.If Mixon keeps his head on straight then I think he'll be every bit as good as Gordon, if not better. However, he seems to be a bit of a fool. Putting aside the incident in college, I didn't always like his demeanor this season and the way he celebrated every 5 yard run like he'd just won the Super Bowl. Still, as a Mixon owner I'd honestly hesitate to deal him straight up for Gordon. Just think there's still a lot of untapped potential there.
I’m a big believer in Mixon. I have Kamari in a couple leagues and will be looking to flip him for Mixon+. I expect Kamara to regress while Mixon blows up. I really hope the Bengals load up on OL this year though.If Mixon keeps his head on straight then I think he'll be every bit as good as Gordon, if not better. However, he seems to be a bit of a fool. Putting aside the incident in college, I didn't always like his demeanor this season and the way he celebrated every 5 yard run like he'd just won the Super Bowl. Still, as a Mixon owner I'd honestly hesitate to deal him straight up for Gordon. Just think there's still a lot of untapped potential there.
As a JuJu owner and Steelers fan I don't think it's out of the realm of a 3rd round pick. AB is older, I expect Martavis to be gone, Bell might be gone, and Ben is a possible retired guy so that obviously hinders his value a bit. Comfortable, 5th round but I can see a case for a 3rd/4th rounderJuJu's startup value in 2018 dynasty PPR leagues?
After this weekend, I think he goes late 3rd in a lot of leaguesJuJu's startup value in 2018 dynasty PPR leagues?
JuJu's startup value in 2018 dynasty PPR leagues?
Depends on the league but I think he's a top 20 WR, just below the lines of Diggs, Alshon, and Corey Davis. If I trusted his QB situation long term he'd be equal to those guys.As a JuJu owner and Steelers fan I don't think it's out of the realm of a 3rd round pick. AB is older, I expect Martavis to be gone, Bell might be gone, and Ben is a possible retired guy so that obviously hinders his value a bit. Comfortable, 5th round but I can see a case for a 3rd/4th rounder
His ADP is likely to be earlier than all 3 listed so long as Ben doesn’t retire.Depends on the league but I think he's a top 20 WR, just below the lines of Diggs, Alshon, and Corey Davis. If I trusted his QB situation long term he'd be equal to those guys.
I would probably take that even without the 1st.I don't know if this helps, but as a Gordon owner I recently turned down Mixon + Mike Williams + late (devy-weakened) 1st. PPR, start 2-4 RBs.
Why? Mike Williams has done nothing, and the track record of 1st round WRs who don't play much or flash much due to rookie year injuries isn't great. Many already thought he was overdrafted, and Keenan Allen looks better than ever.
That is a nobrainer IMO.
Probably gonna fluctuate from early 2nd rounder to 4th or 5th rounder.EBF said:JuJu's startup value in 2018 dynasty PPR leagues?
Personally I’d take Mixon over Gordon straight up. I’m not a big believer in Williams so I’d try and get another piece than him but that’s an easy accept for me either wayConnSKINS26 said:Why? Mike Williams has done nothing, and the track record of 1st round WRs who don't play much or flash much due to rookie year injuries isn't great. Many already thought he was overdrafted, and Keenan Allen looks better than ever.
I know you're one who doesn't think Melvin Gordon passes the eye test (I disagree) and cites his YPC as a red flag, but are you really so confident in Mixon that it would only take a little value to get you to do a straight swap?
I am extremely intrigued by Mixon and really want to acquire him, but I'm also higher than average on Melvin. So I'm curious what the thought process is.
Same and why accepting that trade should have been easy, everything else was free.Personally I’d take Mixon over Gordon straight up. I’m not a big believer in Williams so I’d try and get another piece than him but that’s an easy accept for me either way
I rank Mixon higher than Gordon, so I would trade Gordon for Mixon straight up; I own Mixon in one dynasty league and would not consider trading him for Gordon. While I'm not high on Mike Williams, someone else might be, so I might be able to flip him; worst case, I'm stashing the #7 overall pick on my bench to see if he can emerge next season. And the pick is essentially free, regardless of how much it is weakened by the devy aspect.ConnSKINS26 said:Why? Mike Williams has done nothing, and the track record of 1st round WRs who don't play much or flash much due to rookie year injuries isn't great. Many already thought he was overdrafted, and Keenan Allen looks better than ever.
I know you're one who doesn't think Melvin Gordon passes the eye test (I disagree) and cites his YPC as a red flag, but are you really so confident in Mixon that it would only take a little value to get you to do a straight swap?
I am extremely intrigued by Mixon and really want to acquire him, but I'm also higher than average on Melvin. So I'm curious what the thought process is.
I think the general consensus is still that Gordon has more value so I would definitely be looking to try and get something else with Mixon in a deal for Gordon. If I couldn’t, I would deal Gordon for Mixon straight up. I think Gordon is an above average RB who has been in an ideal situation the last few years, but I don’t expect that to last forever. Mixon on the other hand I believe is special, one of the 5 most talented RBs in the NFL.Are people seeing this in their leagues? Or in ADP or rankings? I don't think Mixon>Melvin is anything close to a mainstream valuation. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just wondering if those who have responded so far are higher on Mixon than average and lower on Melvin than average, causing this discussion. If not, and "the crowds" just haven't caught up to values that people are seeing in actual leagues, there may be an opportunity for Melvin owners if they can get Mixon+ before the market corrects.
I agree with you. I think that most people would value Gordon over Mixon right now.Are people seeing this in their leagues? Or in ADP or rankings? I don't think Mixon>Melvin is anything close to a mainstream valuation. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just wondering if those who have responded so far are higher on Mixon than average and lower on Melvin than average, causing this discussion. If not, and "the crowds" just haven't caught up to values that people are seeing in actual leagues, there may be an opportunity for Melvin owners if they can get Mixon+ before the market corrects.
I am not sure about ADP. I would assume this shows Gordon as higher than Mixon. However many people very high on Mixon as a prospect, so the gap may not be that large. The gap between the two RB being mostly that Gordon is a proven producer, while Mixon is still a question mark.Are people seeing this in their leagues? Or in ADP or rankings? I don't think Mixon>Melvin is anything close to a mainstream valuation. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just wondering if those who have responded so far are higher on Mixon than average and lower on Melvin than average, causing this discussion. If not, and "the crowds" just haven't caught up to values that people are seeing in actual leagues, there may be an opportunity for Melvin owners if they can get Mixon+ before the market corrects.
If it's not too late, you should jump on that offer - maybe even get him to sweeten it a little?ConnSKINS26 said:I don't know if this helps, but as a Gordon owner I recently turned down Mixon + Mike Williams + late (devy-weakened) 1st. PPR, start 2-4 RBs.