JohnnyU
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I wouldn't give up a 1st rd pick for Boyd. Perhaps a late 2nd in this draft.7th overall
12th overall
15th overall
I wouldn't give up a 1st rd pick for Boyd. Perhaps a late 2nd in this draft.7th overall
12th overall
15th overall
A late second? Boyd is not a stud but he is 25 years old and here is what he has done the last two years:I wouldn't give up a 1st rd pick for Boyd. Perhaps a late 2nd in this draft.
I can't answer for anyone else but personally I'm lower on Sutton than most. 1) Jeudy is better than Sutton (IMO), 2) they now have Gordon and Fant to steal away targets, and 3) Denver's offense is just meh - maybe it's Lock not sure.Preferring any of the receivers in this class over Sutton is loopy to me. This is the first time I've seen multiple people value Sutton so low. I don't know what more he could have done last year to justify his ascent to a top ten receiver and now that offense looks like it could be explosive.
Fair enough. I suppose the non-starter is that you view Jeudy as better than Sutton. He may well be, but rolling the dice on any rookie who hasn't played yet versus a proven talent who has steadily gotten better seems unnecessarily risky.I can't answer for anyone else but personally I'm lower on Sutton than most. 1) Jeudy is better than Sutton (IMO), 2) they now have Gordon and Fant to steal away targets, and 3) Denver's offense is just meh - maybe it's Lock not sure.
So in the end I see him as the #2 WR with plenty of viable options to steal targets and with a QB that isn't anything special.
Of course this is my take so I don't expect to convince others and I respect people who see it the other way
My 2 cents.
-DD
Agree with this train of thought...if you are looking to add a RB I can see the logic for dealing Sutton...but if you are looking to get a WR what are the odds that the one you drafted will have 72-1,112-6 in their second year...why risk that especially if it's not for a WR that is drafted with a top 10 pick...even if the rookie hits they would have to put up substantially better numbers then Sutton for this risk to really be worth it...just don't see the need to do that, no need to get greedy here.Fair enough. I suppose the non-starter is that you view Jeudy as better than Sutton. He may well be, but rolling the dice on any rookie who hasn't played yet versus a proven talent who has steadily gotten better seems unnecessarily risky.
Regarding the Denver offense, I think the only thing that held Sutton back was an utter lack of talent around him. There were no credible receivers on the field with him other than a rookie TE who was finding his way. Obviously Denver felt the same way which is why they brought in so many weapons. My money is on the established stud receiver who has a couple years under belt already being the most productive fantasy producer on that offense by a wide margin.
It's certainly possible that things work out this way but there are a lot of assumptions being made here in the direction that only hurt Sutton. IE every player that would hurt Sutton works out (Gordon, Fant, Jeudy) while the one player that would help him (Lock) doesn't.I can't answer for anyone else but personally I'm lower on Sutton than most. 1) Jeudy is better than Sutton (IMO), 2) they now have Gordon and Fant to steal away targets, and 3) Denver's offense is just meh - maybe it's Lock not sure.
So in the end I see him as the #2 WR with plenty of viable options to steal targets and with a QB that isn't anything special.
Of course this is my take so I don't expect to convince others and I respect people who see it the other way
My 2 cents.
-DD
If I could sell Boyd for a late 1st I'd probably sprain my wrist hitting the accept button.People are really overrating this WR class if they think there are going to be 5-6 WRs better than Boyd and Sutton from this group.
And I say that as someone who doesn't necessarily love Boyd and Sutton.
They are already "hits".
They are worth a mid-late first at a minimum.
There's a huge difference between wr2/3 and depth guy. Even if he ends up being a 65/900/5 guy for the rest of his career he's a weekly plug in and forget starter.Boyd isn't a true WR1 and is really just a depth guy for FF purposes
Teams that win championships don’t have plug and forget starters going 65/900/5.There's a huge difference between wr2/3 and depth guy. Even if he ends up being a 65/900/5 guy for the rest of his career he's a weekly plug in and forget starter.
Not for me. Those guys are everywhere. I would only start Boyd if I had to. He did well mind you and I'm not even knocking him, but the teams winning ships with him are teams that are using him as a 4th WR. Or are simply dominant everywhere else.There's a huge difference between wr2/3 and depth guy. Even if he ends up being a 65/900/5 guy for the rest of his career he's a weekly plug in and forget starter.
YepTeams that win championships don’t have plug and forget starters going 65/900/5.
But if a grade of B is what Boyd is, he’s better than the average rookie, who turns into C+. The downside is there’s no chance of an A+
This isn’t entirely true. In my dynasty league, we start a total of 7 players between rb and wr. I finished third last year and by the end of the year Breshad Perriman and Jonnu Smith were in my lineup every week. Guys get hurt, or just simply get replaced. Having a 900 yard WR when you’re starting that many players a week can make a huge difference.Teams that win championships don’t have plug and forget starters going 65/900/5
How shallow are your leagues where you can start top players at every position group? If 6/900/5 is riding your bench at wr then you're weak at another position.Teams that win championships don’t have plug and forget starters going 65/900/5.
But if a grade of B is what Boyd is, he’s better than the average rookie, who turns into C+. The downside is there’s no chance of an A+
^This 100%.This isn’t entirely true. In my dynasty league, we start a total of 7 players between rb and wr. I finished third last year and by the end of the year Breshad Perriman and Jonnu Smith were in my lineup every week. Guys get hurt, or just simply get replaced. Having a 900 yard WR when you’re starting that many players a week can make a huge difference.
Even jeudy and lamb are no sure thing- we all thought treadwell and trich were dynasty builders as well. That said, I think 3 of that list will hit that. It’s not that I like any of the 3 specifically, I just think each of these situations pair players who appear to have the tools to succeed with young qbs that can potentially produce a 1000 yd wr, or in pittmans case a vet and possible wr1 target share going forward or if Hilton misses time.Wow I think people really need to go back and look at the last 10 years of 1st/2nd round NFL WR picks. These guys hit at what, a 20% rate? 15%? It's a miserable number. I'd be pretty surprised if more than 2 of these guys ever do more than what Boyd has done.
Also the notion that his upside is some 900/5 type low WR2 guy is kind of silly. The dude just put up a nice season on one of the worst offenses in the league and they added a stud QB prospect and revamped the O-line. What happens to Boyd if this Bengals offense actually ends up being good? Oh no, Higgins is there. Higgins and his 15% chance of actually developing into a usable NFL player, and even in that worst case scenario who's to say that Burrow doesn't end up being good enough to support two good fantasy targets.
Half of this past season's WR1 scoring players were guys that people once said had an upside as a boring WR2, and most of them had a lot less convincing reasons on why they may ascend to WR1 scoring than adding a QB that just put together by far the greatest college football season of all-time.
This all becomes doubly true once we get past Jeudy and Lamb. How many of Pittman, Higgins, Jefferson, Reagor, Aiyuk, Mims will ever put up a season better than 90-1100-5? I would be pretty surprised if the answer ends up being more than 1. I think zero is a more likely answer than 2+.
I didn't on Treadwell, but I was fooled on Richardson. As for Richardson and a lot of others, you never know what's between the ears. As for Treadwell, I suspected he was a bust. The red flags on him were a lot more evident.Even jeudy and lamb are no sure thing- we all thought treadwell and trich were dynasty builders as well.
I’d say early-mid 2nd range. Pretty tough to get anyone to pay a 1st in a one QB league, and I suspect Burrow range is appropriate (contender that’s QB thin may prefer Wilson, rebuilder or someone set at QB would prefer Burrow).In a current rebuild in one league and wondered what your thoughts were on Russell Wilson's pick value is for 2021? PPR, start 1 QB. However, QBs only score 4 points per TD 1 pt every 20 yards passing.
His numbers are right up there at the top and he's only 31. He ranked 4th in my league in QB scoring.
What is his dynasty value today? What pick should I expect in trading him?
I would say anyone that's in a win now situation would be getting a steal in Wilson for a 2nd rd pick. The catch 22 for the rebuilding team is that if only win now teams want him, the 2nd rd pick is going to be late, unless that team also has a worse team's 2nd rd pick. As a rebuilding team no way would I want to sell Wilson for a late 2nd rd pick in 2021. Probably better to hold on to him and trade to a desperate team next season should the injury bug strike their QB.I’d say early-mid 2nd range. Pretty tough to get anyone to pay a 1st in a one QB league, and I suspect Burrow range is appropriate (contender that’s QB thin may prefer Wilson, rebuilder or someone set at QB would prefer Burrow).
I was talking this year’s rookie picks. Agreed, I would not sell Wilson for a likely late 2021 2nd. Missed the 2021 part of your post. Yeah, you’re stuck I think. Contenders in all likelihood aren’t giving a 1st, and rebuilders aren’t giving an early 2nd. You’ll likely need some to make some sort of package deal. But if peg his value as early 2nd range.I would say anyone that's in a win now situation would be getting a steal in Wilson for a 2nd rd pick. The catch 22 for the rebuilding team is that if only win now teams want him, the 2nd rd pick is going to be late, unless that team also has a worse team's 2nd rd pick. As a rebuilding team no way would I want to sell Wilson for a late 2nd rd pick in 2021. Probably better to hold on to him and trade to a desperate team next season should the injury bug strike their QB.
Good point. But I do have Murray and Burrow.Why feel compelled to trade Wilson in a rebuild? You likely end up losing points at the QB position in exchange for a rookie who may never make up those points. Wilson still has the potential to be a top 5 NFL and fantasy QB for several more years.
Just suggesting that if you’re a heavy favourite, there’s no shame in trading 1.12 for a solid asset and eschewing the crack at an A+JoeJoe88 said:This isn’t entirely true. In my dynasty league, we start a total of 7 players between rb and wr. I finished third last year and by the end of the year Breshad Perriman and Jonnu Smith were in my lineup every week. Guys get hurt, or just simply get replaced. Having a 900 yard WR when you’re starting that many players a week can make a huge difference.
Then maybe the value is in trading one of them instead.JohnnyU said:Good point. But I do have Murray and Burrow.
So startup PPR dynasty league, any reason to shy away from drafting Chubb at 1.10 due to Hunt? or would someone recommend going Nuk/Hill/Godwin and then take a Jacobs or Sanders at the 2.2?
For David Carr I'd take whatever I could get as he's been gone for years, but for Derek Carr I'd be asking for a mid 1st in SF or a solid WR. Maybe a late 1st if you have needs at WR.Superflex no-cap dynasty.
What would you command for David Carr in either draft equity or player?
on the fence about selling, as then I’d only have Daniel Jones & Mahomes (with no backup) but I’ve got someone sniffing around.
It was Wilson, not Winston.There is no guarantee Winston is a starting QB in 2021 or beyond. No one wanted to take him on, and there is always someone younger and cheaper.
Murray and Burrow have starting gigs at least for 2-3 more years
Just stay there bro. 14th and 15th pick in this draft is the sweet spot. I get my top two WR in this draft right there.This rookie draft is intriguing from the quantity vs quality aspect. There appears to be real depth in this draft so is it to your advantage to have multiple picks or do you package some of those picks to move up to get a higher rated prospect? Example: I have the following picks: 1.02, 1.08, 1.14 (Mine, I won the league!), and 2.01
I look at 1.02 as a little bit of a no brainer. Draft who is there between CEH and Taylor.
The options start after 1.02. I think the top 6 players are on a different Tier and then the next Tier starts at 8. Option A: Move up to 5 or 6 and then you can land Dobbins, Jeudy, Lamb or Swift. Option B: Best available at 8 and then pick twice at 14 and 15. Mims, Higgins, Aiyuk, Pittman Jr.
Our league has roster size limits so you can't just acquire picks and stash. It will probably come down to if I can make a good valued trade
If I had a top 2 pick, I would stay put.This rookie draft is intriguing from the quantity vs quality aspect. There appears to be real depth in this draft so is it to your advantage to have multiple picks or do you package some of those picks to move up to get a higher rated prospect? Example: I have the following picks: 1.02, 1.08, 1.14 (Mine, I won the league!), and 2.01
I look at 1.02 as a little bit of a no brainer. Draft who is there between CEH and Taylor.
Who is your 1.01 in a Standard Scoring Dynasty League- start 1 qb - no ppr, regardless on needIf I had a top 2 pick, I would stay put.
I think there are some very decent arguments for trading down if your pick is in the 3-8 range, especially if you are planning on taking a WR. Players like Ruggs and Aiyuk who were highly-vetted by the NFL draft process are often slipping down into the 10-12 range behind JAG-y RBs and lower-rated WRs. Is there really a value gap there or just a perceived gap? If you have a guy you love like Lamb or Jefferson and you're 100% sold then I can see an argument for staying put, but generically the WR draft feels pretty flat to me. Maybe the guy you get at #10 or 12 outproduces Lamb and Jeudy. It feels like we're splitting hairs.
Also, while I don't have a lot of can't-miss favorites in that range, the 12-24 range of this draft is loaded with day two WR/RB talent and first round QB prospects who seemingly have a pulse, so if you can hop down from something like pick 4 to pick 10 and grab an extra mid 2nd, it feels like you're probably winning the deal considering that you're still going to be able to pick up a first round WR talent and then you'll be able to add another quality prospect on top of that.
The raw odds say there are probably a couple Jordy Nelson/Eric Decker/Tyler Boyd/DeSean Jackson type of hits hiding in the 2nd-3rd round WR cluster, so grabbing an extra lottery ticket is something to consider.
He’s worth more on your team than he will return in a tradeWhat's malhomes's worth pick wise in a 1qb league?
I know, that's why I want him. Just a matter of what's the appropriate amount to send in a trade.He’s worth more on your team than he will return in a trade
Gotta be CEH. First RB drafted, solid film, and lands in a prolific Andy Reid offense.Who is your 1.01 in a Standard Scoring Dynasty League- start 1 qb - no ppr, regardless on need
My answer is assuming that your QB scoring is neither godlike nor nerfed, but rather average.I know, that's why I want him. Just a matter of what's the appropriate amount to send in a trade.
No question I stay put at 2 unless I get my hair blown back. I really believe that Jeudy and Lamb are the best WR options but you can make an argument for the rest of the first round receivers in any order. I'm a little nervous about Ruggs. Darrius Heyward Bey anyone? May let someone else draft him.If I had a top 2 pick, I would stay put.
I think there are some very decent arguments for trading down if your pick is in the 3-8 range, especially if you are planning on taking a WR. Players like Ruggs and Aiyuk who were highly-vetted by the NFL draft process are often slipping down into the 10-12 range behind JAG-y RBs and lower-rated WRs. Is there really a value gap there or just a perceived gap? If you have a guy you love like Lamb or Jefferson and you're 100% sold then I can see an argument for staying put, but generically the WR draft feels pretty flat to me. Maybe the guy you get at #10 or 12 outproduces Lamb and Jeudy. It feels like we're splitting hairs.
Also, while I don't have a lot of can't-miss favorites in that range, the 12-24 range of this draft is loaded with day two WR/RB talent and first round QB prospects who seemingly have a pulse, so if you can hop down from something like pick 4 to pick 10 and grab an extra mid 2nd, it feels like you're probably winning the deal considering that you're still going to be able to pick up a first round WR talent and then you'll be able to add another quality prospect on top of that.
The raw odds say there are probably a couple Jordy Nelson/Eric Decker/Tyler Boyd/DeSean Jackson type of hits hiding in the 2nd-3rd round WR cluster, so grabbing an extra lottery ticket is something to consider.
I like Jacobs with Hunt in CLE with ChubbChubb or Jacobs in a PPR dynasty?