Probably not and yes.Shenault price check? Buy for a 2 sell for a 1 approximately?
Probably not and yes.Shenault price check? Buy for a 2 sell for a 1 approximately?
He is a definite candidate for a cut, restructure or trade in 2021. My guess is restructure because they have nothing else at WR but we’ll see depending on what Prof Chaos and General Disarray are thinking.Cooks might not even be a Texan in 21 - no dead cap if cut, the Texans have no cap space as-is, and they already have the 2nd most in cap commitments in '22.
That is a tough one because of the position aspect. Hunt has such a high upside if Chubb were to get injured (even though it didn't really show for the few games Chubb missed this year it was still solid).Who has more value in PPR both now & future: Hunt or Aiyuk?
I lean Aiyuk
I think he is a guy that is near impossible to move in a trade (both ways) because of your exact statement. Guys trying to buy are wanting a discount to take him on and guys looking to sell want an upside built into the price.Shenault price check? Buy for a 2 sell for a 1 approximately?
Definitely tough due to the positions. I suppose Aiyuk's value goes down with Deebo back full time, but does it go down enough? I don't know. I must be in the minority & believe Hunt is overrated. Like you mentioned, he didn't really do anything when Chubb was out...That is a tough one because of the position aspect. Hunt has such a high upside if Chubb were to get injured (even though it didn't really show for the few games Chubb missed this year it was still solid).
I just don't have confidence in the offense to provide consistent usage for Aiyuk even though he has shown he is worth it. I guess my answer depends on what position I need more on who would be more valuable to me.
Hunt still had 23 (3 rec), 15 (2), 21 (3), and 16 (2) touches in those four games with two TD's. He was fine but didn't have the ceiling some would expect. I still think he becomes a top 12 ish RB if Chubb is gone which probably has more value than Aiyuk would ever have. The problem is Chubb is there so the discussion happens. I just think SF uses such an inconsistent game plan for touches (good for the NFL not good for fantasy) that it makes it hard for me to trust their players.Definitely tough due to the positions. I suppose Aiyuk's value goes down with Deebo back full time, but does it go down enough? I don't know. I must be in the minority & believe Hunt is overrated. Like you mentioned, he didn't really do anything when Chubb was out...
Exactly. I own him and I might not even sell for anything less than a mid-1st. He flashed last year. He has a (theoretically) stud rookie QB throwing to him shortly. Why would I trade that away for anything less than a top 3 or 4WR prospect/dart throw? (But I know nothing about the rookies beyond the rankings I’m seeing)I think he is a guy that is near impossible to move in a trade (both ways) because of your exact statement. Guys trying to buy are wanting a discount to take him on and guys looking to sell want an upside built into the price.
You make valid points & have me reconsidering my spot on the fence lolHunt was still had 23 (3 rec), 15 (2), 21 (3), and 16 (2) touches in those four games with two TD's. He was fine but didn't have the ceiling some would expect. I still think he becomes a top 12 ish RB if Chubb is gone which probably has more value than Aiyuk would ever have. The problem is Chubb is there so the discussion happens. I just think SF uses such an inconsistent game plan for touches (good for the NFL not good for fantasy) that it makes it hard for me to trust their players.
Now, Aiyuk (only because of Hunt's curtain situation) but both are very talented pieces in a PPR leagueWho has more value in PPR both now & future: Hunt or Aiyuk?
I lean Aiyuk
AiyukWho has more value in PPR both now & future: Hunt or Aiyuk?
I lean Aiyuk
Aiyuk, easily.Who has more value in PPR both now & future: Hunt or Aiyuk?
I lean Aiyuk
Generic statement here but I think that those who did not see him last year can not fully appreciate what you referred to as his "stunning athleticism".Aiyuk
I just left a fairly pro-Hunt post. If my Aiyuk answer seems contradictory to that post I would understand thinking that but while I view Hunt as a big time talent he's in a crap situation for what looks to be next few years and then age starts to matter. I still put a solid value on Hunt but Aiyuk looked freaking great, like at times stunning athleticism. Some concern over QB, target load especially if defense gets back on track and they throw less but I'd still take him.
I would say yes.Is T. Coleman safe to drop in a PPR dynasty league at this point?
FWIW Hunt was battling a couple injuries while Chubb was out. Plus one of those games was being boat raced by Pittsburgh.Definitely tough due to the positions. I suppose Aiyuk's value goes down with Deebo back full time, but does it go down enough? I don't know. I must be in the minority & believe Hunt is overrated. Like you mentioned, he didn't really do anything when Chubb was out...
Chubb is a UFA after '21Aiyuk
I just left a fairly pro-Hunt post. If my Aiyuk answer seems contradictory to that post I would understand thinking that but while I view Hunt as a big time talent he's in a crap situation for what looks to be next few years and then age starts to matter. I still put a solid value on Hunt but Aiyuk looked freaking great, like at times stunning athleticism. Some concern over QB, target load especially if defense gets back on track and they throw less but I'd still take him.
I know but I don't even think for a second he won't get extended. Just combo of how highly they regard the person and what he means to the way the team's offense runs.MAC_32 said:Chubb is a UFA after '21
If any RB will get this group to offer an extension it'll be Chubb, but given the other priorities coming up someone(s) are going to get the short end of the stick. When presented with not extending one of Mayfield, Ward, Teller, and Chubb I think the latter is the most expendable. I think Berry will make an offer, but I also think Chubb will get more than that number on the open market.I know but I don't even think for a second he won't get extended. Just combo of how highly they regard the person and what he means to the way the team's offense runs.
What I've thought over a few times is how will Hunt react when Chubb signs for like $15M a year. A true backup talent or COP back would be more then fine with Hunts pay and secondary role but I really can't help but wonder if the extremely team friendly deal and secondary role won't start to eat at him when Chubb is not on his rookie contract. That's just human nature but maybe he just loves playing for the Browns so much he just won't care.
Hunt also was given a second chance by the Browns after what could have been the end of his career. He may just feel obligated/lucky that he was given that chance and enjoy playing there under these circumstances. This situation has many facets to it that may not be involved in your typical RB situation.I know but I don't even think for a second he won't get extended. Just combo of how highly they regard the person and what he means to the way the team's offense runs.
What I've thought over a few times is how will Hunt react when Chubb signs for like $15M a year. A true backup talent or COP back would be more then fine with Hunts pay and secondary role but I really can't help but wonder if the extremely team friendly deal and secondary role won't start to eat at him when Chubb is not on his rookie contract. That's just human nature but maybe he just loves playing for the Browns so much he just won't care.
I think Chubb gets extended this off-season, he won't see the open market. I wish I could remember who it was I heard on an interview last year, can't even recall if it was a ex-coach or front office person on Browns, but this person could not stop raving about Chubb the person. Talking about unsolicited raving. His life expectancy at the position is short, but he's more integral to that offense then Baker. That offense runs through the RB's.If any RB will get this group to offer an extension it'll be Chubb, but given the other priorities coming up someone(s) are going to get the short end of the stick. When presented with not extending one of Mayfield, Ward, Teller, and Chubb I think the latter is the most expendable. I think Berry will make an offer, but I also think Chubb will get more than that number on the open market.
For sure he was damaged goods and enjoys playing for the Browns but what you are saying implies the Browns were the only team to throw him a lifeline. I'm not ready to make that assumption.Hunt also was given a second chance by the Browns after what could have been the end of his career. He may just feel obligated/lucky that he was given that chance and enjoy playing there under these circumstances. This situation has many facets to it that may not be involved in your typical RB situation.
Maybe not but they were the lifeline he grabbed and probably feels gratitude for it.For sure he was damaged goods and enjoys playing for the Browns but what you are saying implies the Browns were the only team to throw him a lifeline. I'm not ready to make that assumption.
I agree that if a Chubb extension happens it's most likely to happen in the next few months. I also agree about the assessment of Chubb the person, that combined with his skills as a runner is why I think he could be the exception to the don't extend RB's rule (if he accepts the Browns price). But I strongly disagree about his importance to the offense v Baker - the offense runs through the RB is a false narrative that bore itself out in the latter part of the season.I think Chubb gets extended this off-season, he won't see the open market. I wish I could remember who it was I heard on an interview last year, can't even recall if it was a ex-coach or front office person on Browns, but this person could not stop raving about Chubb the person. Talking about unsolicited raving. His life expectancy at the position is short, but he's more integral to that offense then Baker. That offense runs through the RB's.
Anyway we will agree to disagree, I'd put odds Chubb is not resigned in like 1% range. I think it's more likely Baker is not resigned.
Not to keep going around and around on this but I don't agree with this at all.. But I strongly disagree about his importance to the offense v Baker - the offense runs through the RB is a false narrative that bore itself out in the latter part of the season.
He is - Dorsey also originally drafted him.IIRC, Hunt is originally from Cleveland which factored greatly into his decision to resign with them after they gave him a chance. I recall some of us worrying in his thread about how being around his friends and family circle may end up being a bad thing given his bad behavior and character issues.
At this point I am hoping Hunt gets traded. His contract is pretty attractive, I am just not sure Cleveland wouldn’t rather just hold him as Chubb injury insurance and 1-2 punch at RB though. Good for nfl football, bad for fantasy.
He's a great signing by the Browns and I view him and Chubb as the best RB duo I've ever seen. There may be better complements, but it's the two most talented RB's on same team IMO.IIRC, Hunt is originally from Cleveland which factored greatly into his decision to resign with them after they gave him a chance. I recall some of us worrying in his thread about how being around his friends and family circle may end up being a bad thing given his bad behavior and character issues.
At this point I am hoping Hunt gets traded. His contract is pretty attractive, I am just not sure Cleveland wouldn’t rather just hold him as Chubb injury insurance and 1-2 punch at RB though. Good for nfl football, bad for fantasy.
I think when it comes to violent mistakes against another person or sexual assault/battery claims, they might get one more chance, and it really depends. Ray Rice? Nope. No second chance after watching that. Brown? Not with his lack of penitence. Hunt? I don't know...I just don't like throwing people away over a mistake or two.
Vick, along with Hunt, I'll give you. While what Vick did was despicable, he seemed genuinely apologetic and sincere from the beginning about what he had allowed to happen. I'm glad he was able to overcome and I think he's transformed into a great analyst.Vick, Ray Rice, Antonio Brown
I've seen this a few places now. Why though? Deebo is a good player, so is Aiyuk. Buy good players. It's not like we haven't seen multiple WR's on a single team be valuable. If anything that would hedge your bet between one or the other.MAC_32 said:FWIW Hunt was battling a couple injuries while Chubb was out. Plus one of those games was being boat raced by Pittsburgh.
In a vacuum I'd go Aiyuk, but since I'm heavily invested in Deebo I specifically would not.
I think it's important to decision make based on one's own strengths and weaknesses. I think there are some areas of the game in which I am generally better than my competition, but weekly starting decisions ain't one of them. If a decision is not obvious my success rate is poor, so I build my teams with an objective to minimize these potential issues. Two good (but not great) WR's from the same team runs counter to that objective. It'd be one thing if Aiyuk were discounted right now (buy with intentions on moving one or the other), but I don't think he is.I've seen this a few places now. Why though? Deebo is a good player, so is Aiyuk. Buy good players. It's not like we haven't seen multiple WR's on a single team be valuable. If anything that would hedge your bet between one or the other.
In my opinion it’s because...I've seen this a few places now. Why though? Deebo is a good player, so is Aiyuk. Buy good players. It's not like we haven't seen multiple WR's on a single team be valuable. If anything that would hedge your bet between one or the other.
I'm not convinced that's true...yet anyway. I think Shanahan is confident in his ability to manufacture an effective running game, but if he has a better passing game then he would adjust. Plus Deebo isn't a traditional WR anyway.In my opinion it’s because...
1) we know SF likes to run the ball
2) Kittle is WR#1 there so Deebo and Aiyuk are fighting for WR2 and WR3 spots
3) some offenses are just NOT designed to support more than 2 pass catchers and SF appears to be one of those offenses.
I've heard people who used to work in the league say Kyle is the best in the NFL at knowing how to scheme people open so I've no doubt he can adjust. The concern I have is when their defense is healthy again how much do they need to throw if the running game and defense are working.but if he has a better passing game then he would adjust.
I don't think we are going to see anything like the 2019 SF defense again anytime soon. They already lost Buckner. Now Saleh's out. They have to replace their entire cornerback depth chart, their best run defender (DJ Jones), and oft injured Tartt at safety (they have a rookie). They also have an expiring Warner that will need extended sometime in the next 12 months - and aren't in a great cap situation. As is their core is really just him, Bosa, and Ward with Greenlaw, Armstead, Kinlaw, and (maybe) Ford to compliment and they don't have many resources to rebuild around them unless they ignore the offense.I've heard people who used to work in the league say Kyle is the best in the NFL at knowing how to scheme people open so I've no doubt he can adjust. The concern I have is when their defense is healthy again how much do they need to throw if the running game and defense are working.
It is a valid point however you raise about Deebo being a non-traditional WR. He could almost be viewed as more of an extension of the running game then passing game at times.
Normally I would agree but I think having someone like Kittle changes it. With that in mind I'd rather have Aiyuk.I've seen this a few places now. Why though? Deebo is a good player, so is Aiyuk. Buy good players. It's not like we haven't seen multiple WR's on a single team be valuable. If anything that would hedge your bet between one or the other.
Probably one of those dead zone guys (there are a lot actually) where nobody will pay what his owner wants and the owner would rather hold than sell too cheap. Late 1st. Nobody is paying that and nobody will take an early 2nd.What do you think Beckham is worth, particularly draft pick compensation, but if you have any recent trades that have included him I'd be interested in seeing them draft picks or not.
He has barely been moved in my dozen dynasty leagues. Although I did move him last year when I had some injuries and was trying to 3peat (didn't unfortunately) and made this trade:What do you think Beckham is worth, particularly draft pick compensation, but if you have any recent trades that have included him I'd be interested in seeing them draft picks or not.
Great deal for the new Herbert Owner...locks down his QB position with a potential top 5 QB for at least a decade without giving up too much.In case anyone wanted a price point for Herbert in a 12 team 1 QB league, he was just traded in one of my dynasty leagues - Herbert for Tannehill and 1.12.
I’ve been a Kupp fan since day one, so I may overvalue him a bit, but I wouldn’t accept a late first for him. I have three late firsts this year and would gladly give one for him.How would you guys value Cooper Kupp in 0.5 PPR?
On the one hand, he's going on 28, with an injury history, and on a team that sometimes neglects him in the passing game for stretches. On the other hand, he's got a new QB who loves to sling the ball, put up 92 rec for 974 yds and 3 TD last season while playing injured, and doesn't have too much competition for targets.
Would he be valued around a late first? What would you give for him?
late 2nd round value and young is kind of no man's land at RB. To buy a guy like that now, it has to be someone expected to be replaced or gain competition, or already have competition that isn't expected to leave. Tony Pollard and Chase Edmonds* are the only 2 guys that come to mind in that description, but Pollard you have to wait for the payoff on, and Edmonds has a chance of losing most of his value by the time the NFL draft is finished.Who are some relatively inexpensive young RBs (24 or younger before the season starts) you are targeting? Not talking about players like Dobbins, but more like a RB who can/should cost a mid/late 2nd round pick or a similar quality WR or something like that.
Some good picks by jtd. Mattison may fit your criteria. I don't recall his contract situation.late 2nd round value and young is kind of no man's land at RB. To buy a guy like that now, it has to be someone expected to be replaced or gain competition, or already have competition that isn't expected to leave. Tony Pollard and Chase Edmonds* are the only 2 guys that come to mind in that description, but Pollard you have to wait for the payoff on, and Edmonds has a chance of losing most of his value by the time the NFL draft is finished.
I'd also say Damien Harris, but he's probably more of an early 2nd. If the Packers tag Jones, I'll be sending out some 2nd rounder for AJ Dillon offers.
Then there are a few guys that I'd speculatively buy, but probably not for a 2nd: Myles Gaskin (with all the reports of Miami wanting a new feature back, I'd still buy for a 3rd in case they either strike out, or they get a guy who's not very good in the passing game), Gus Edwards**, K 'Shawn Vaughn (definitely would not give a 2nd for Vaughn, but worth a stab in case it's just him vs. Jones, and Brady/Arians decide they hate Jones again during the season).
Too rich for me, personally. I don’t think I’d pay more than a mid 2nd.How would you guys value Cooper Kupp in 0.5 PPR?
On the one hand, he's going on 28, with an injury history, and on a team that sometimes neglects him in the passing game for stretches. On the other hand, he's got a new QB who loves to sling the ball, put up 92 rec for 974 yds and 3 TD last season while playing injured, and doesn't have too much competition for targets.
Would he be valued around a late first? What would you give for him?
Agreed in 0.5 PPR. Full PPR I could see a late 1st.Too rich for me, personally. I don’t think I’d pay more than a mid 2nd.