eric rymer
Footballguy
14 team PPR. I traded Jones and DJ Moore for Higgins to a RB needy team.
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eric rymer
Footballguy
16 team 1/2 PPR. I have Fournette and Rhamondre. Would you rather have Aaron Jones or Javonte. I am trying to trade Jones or Fournette and get younger. This may be the best time to pull it off. thoughts?
Lehigh98
Footballguy
| 2. | Noriegains [ roster · trades ] WR Davante Adams, LV Trade date: 2022-10-26 | Vatican Swiss Guards [ roster · trades ] Year 2023 round 1 draft pick from Vatican Swiss Guards | World FFL teams: 12 · start: 19 · roster: 45 positions: QB 1, RB 1-2, WR 2-4, TE 1-2, PK 0-1, DT+DE 3-4, LB 2-4, CB+S 4-6 scoring: PaTD = *6.00 PPR = *0.15 |
| 4. | Humpty Dumpty in a Onesie [ roster · trades ] RB Breece Hall, NYJ Trade date: 2022-10-26 | Polk High Panthers 30 [ roster · trades ] WR Davante Adams, LV | SafeLeagues Dynasty 094 - Basic (SF/TE) teams: 12 · start: 10 · roster: 28 positions: 1-2 QB, 2-5 RB, WR 3-6, TE 1-4 scoring: PaTD = *6 PPR = *1 |
| 5. | Overkills [ roster · trades ] Year 2023 round 1 draft pick from Overkills Trade date: 2022-10-26 | Giving Defenses Fitz [ roster · trades ] WR Davante Adams, LV | SafeLeagues Dynasty 414 - Premium (SF/TE) teams: 12 · start: 10 · roster: 28 positions: QB 1-2, RB 2-5, WR 3-6, TE 1-4 scoring: PaTD = *6 PPR = *1 |
| 10. | Mighty Orphan Power Rangers [ roster · trades ] WR Davante Adams, LV Year 2023 round 3 draft pick from Mighty Orphan Power Rangers Trade date: 2022-10-25 | Straight Cash Homie$$$ [ roster · trades ] RB Breece Hall, NYJ | SafeLeagues Dynasty 440 - Basic (SF/TE) teams: 12 · start: 10 · roster: 28 positions: QB 1-2, RB 2-5, WR 3-6, TE 1-4 scoring: PaTD = *6 PPR = *1 |
kutta
Footballguy
Not that anyone cares about my team, but for a data point, I made this trade.
eighsse2
Footballguy
We care about your team buddy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Tell me (us) what to do with CMC …
Had an offer of Najee / ‘23 1st (late) and I didn’t like it.
Show me some CMC trades and/or tell me what he should be worth. I’m in a semi “rebuild” and with CMC being my best asset.
Keep him? Trade him? Show me the way, football dudes
Had an offer of Najee / ‘23 1st (late) and I didn’t like it.
Show me some CMC trades and/or tell me what he should be worth. I’m in a semi “rebuild” and with CMC being my best asset.
Keep him? Trade him? Show me the way, football dudes
northern exposure
Footballguy
In a 12 team ppr dynasty SF league this trade happened:
CMC, 2023 5th for Javonte Williams, 2023 1st (probably late) and 2023 4th.
The Gator
Footballguy
I moved him for D Henry and A Cooper.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Anybody making a run at Chase? I have a perfect storm of available WR depth (AJB, Waddle, Lamb, Higgins, Godwin, Sutton, Pierce).
The team with Chase has been surprisingly good and is currently in playoff position. He's more of a "living in the moment" mindset where it's not inconceivable that I could pry Chase away if he's trying to make the playoffs. That said, he generally doesn't sell his studs short. He had poor WR depth before the Chase injury and could probably use another RB.
I offered:
Godwin
Sutton
D. Henderson / Gus Bus
Disrespectful to the Chase owner? A reasonable starting point given his needs? I think I'm also going to offer Lamb straight up. Possibly Waddle. Possibly Higgins. Possibly AJB. Would any Chase owners be tempted by those guys straight up in order to win this year? Am I being too much of a prisoner of the moment valuing these guys more than my initial package of Godwin + Sutton + DH ? They're kind of getting to their peak age and although they're not going to drop off a cliff anytime soon, there are a lot of question marks with their QB situation. Freeing up two roster spots is also fun and has value that factors in to the equation.
The team with Chase has been surprisingly good and is currently in playoff position. He's more of a "living in the moment" mindset where it's not inconceivable that I could pry Chase away if he's trying to make the playoffs. That said, he generally doesn't sell his studs short. He had poor WR depth before the Chase injury and could probably use another RB.
I offered:
Godwin
Sutton
D. Henderson / Gus Bus
Disrespectful to the Chase owner? A reasonable starting point given his needs? I think I'm also going to offer Lamb straight up. Possibly Waddle. Possibly Higgins. Possibly AJB. Would any Chase owners be tempted by those guys straight up in order to win this year? Am I being too much of a prisoner of the moment valuing these guys more than my initial package of Godwin + Sutton + DH ? They're kind of getting to their peak age and although they're not going to drop off a cliff anytime soon, there are a lot of question marks with their QB situation. Freeing up two roster spots is also fun and has value that factors in to the equation.
kutta
Footballguy
I think it’s all light for Chase. I don’t own him, but he’s a top 5 dynasty asset. People don’t give those kind of guys up unless they’re getting one in return or getting a bunch of chances to get one (multiple firsts)
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Who's his second option? Can he patch together reasonable scoring for 4-6 weeks? If so, then not much incentive to trade. I have him in a couple leagues and not looking to move him, but then again, I usually hold on to my favorites too long. If I was, I'd be looking for a combo of great rookie WR's & 1st rounders. But who knows?...
| 2. | Spider 3-Y Banana [ roster · trades ] WR Cooper Kupp, LAR Trade date: 2022-10-27 | Rebuild SZN [ roster · trades ] WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN | MDL 4 teams: 32 · start: 23 · roster: 53 positions: 1 Coach, 1 QB, RB 2-3, 3-5 WR, TE 1-2, 1 PK, PN 1, DT 1-2, DE 2-3, 3-4 LB, CB 2-3, 2-3 S scoring: PaTD = *4 PPR = |
| 3. | Mad Cowz (KS) [ roster · trades ] RB JK Dobbins, BAL WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN Trade date: 2022-10-27 | Team Punishment 2 [ roster · trades ] RB Jonathan Taylor, IND WR Wan'Dale Robinson, NYG | DataForce: KEEPSAKES teams: 12 · start: 10 · roster: 20 positions: QB 1, RB 2-3, WR 3-4, TE 1-2, PK 1, Def 1 scoring: PaTD = *4 PPR = *1 |
| 4. | Post Marrone [ roster · trades ] WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN Year 2024 round 3 draft pick from Post Marrone Trade date: 2022-10-27 | LaMark Jacobs JingleheimerHurts [ roster · trades ] QB Jalen Hurts, PHI Year 2024 round 3 draft pick from LaMark Jacobs JingleheimerHurts | ShaDynasty teams: 12 · start: 10 · roster: 25 positions: 1-2 QB, 1-7 RB, WR 1-7, TE 1-7 scoring: PaTD = *5 PPR = *.5 |
wlwiles
Footballguy
I bought Pollard a month ago straight up for Michael Thomas. That was before Thomas had missed now a month+ of games though. The Pollard owner was pretty RB heavy and thin at WR and he's the one that actually proposed it to me
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
With Chase out, his WR core is currently:
X. M. Thomas (not practicing)
X. Dotson (expected to be out)
1. Josh Reynolds
2. Gage
His best FA options are Tyquan Thornton, Showronek, Zay Jones, Nico Collins, Mack Hollins, Dortch. His flex is probably coming from the RB spot as Brian Robinson, followed by Boston Scott.
So yes, it's a perfect storm if he's still trying to hold the last playoff spot. He's the type of personality that wants to win Sunday. He doesn't value draft picks. Doesn't have a 2024 plan. Probably the weakest owner in our dynasty league. But he's not giving Chase away for beans.
With all that said, Godwin + Sutton + DH probably aren't enough of a temptation with what's going on in those offenses.
IF he is willing to move Chase to stay afloat in the playoffs, it's probably going to be for the best single WR he can get. I have a lot of the guys that make up the list after Chase. Assuming he doesn't bite on my package offer, I'm obligated to offer all of my WRs straight up for Chase, right? AJB, Waddle, Lamb, Higgins. If I let him have his pick of the litter, how much more should I really be throwing in given the injury? Any WR plus D Henderson (or Gus Edwards)?
I probably consider Chase the #2 WR asset in dynasty. I'm firmly on Jefferson as #1. I don't completely ignore the allegations that came up in his rookie year, but I never bothered digging into it. This is an Empire Dynasty league and people have gone on tilt sending out their studs to win now. In other words, you're not giving away the entire career of Chase (regular dynasty). The life expectancy of the league is probably 4 years at any given point in time, but ends if the defending champ wins this year.
joey
Footballguy
offer has to include one of Lamb or Waddle, imo, and then another piece like Godwin or Higgins, to even get a response imo.
joey
Footballguy
ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
Price check on Kadarius Toney? I just rejected an offer of David Bell plus a 2023 3rd for him (FFPC). He's probably not worth a first, but is an early 2nd enough for him?
foxco
Footballguy
That looks to be in the ballpark for sure. Lamb's a top 5ish dynasty WR. Right before this season started I sold him in one dynasty for S Barkley & Diontae Johnson. DJ hasn't lived up to expectations but Barkley has made up for it, so I'm okay with it right now. But if I'm selling Lamb I need something very nice, like Olave + a 1st seems close.
foxco
Footballguy
Early 2nd feels fair, especially if you're sick of the injuries and potential bad attitude. I'm keeping him cause I'm intrigued with what they'll do with him in KC, plus I always need something to complain about so if he's a dismal failure that'll give me something to gripe about. Win-win.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
That looks to be in the ballpark for sure. Lamb's a top 5ish dynasty WR. Right before this season started I sold him in one dynasty for S Barkley & Diontae Johnson. DJ hasn't lived up to expectations but Barkley has made up for it, so I'm okay with it right now. But if I'm selling Lamb I need something very nice, like Olave + a 1st seems close.
I think Olave plus a late 1st that has a fighting chance at top 8-9 would have me tempted as a Lamb owner. I'm still in on Lamb. Early on he was dealing with too much WR competition. Now I would really like to see him paired with one other quality WR. I hoped for elite WR1 capable of single handedly carrying a passing game. Still like him, but it's starting to look like he might not reach those heights.
Blick
Footballguy
He has a DJ Moore feeling about him. Tons of potential but just can't break into that WR1 range.That looks to be in the ballpark for sure. Lamb's a top 5ish dynasty WR. Right before this season started I sold him in one dynasty for S Barkley & Diontae Johnson. DJ hasn't lived up to expectations but Barkley has made up for it, so I'm okay with it right now. But if I'm selling Lamb I need something very nice, like Olave + a 1st seems close.
I think Olave plus a late 1st that has a fighting chance at top 8-9 would have me tempted as a Lamb owner. I'm still in on Lamb. Early on he was dealing with too much WR competition. Now I would really like to see him paired with one other quality WR. I hoped for elite WR1 capable of single handedly carrying a passing game. Still like him, but it's starting to look like he might not reach those heights.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
This is too rich for me on Chase, but I get it. To yours, I think I also view Waddle and Lamb as interchangeable in value and that would be a dilemma if i had to choose.
Adding Godwin to one of those guys, I could see it. He's getting to the apex. I think we've seen him at his best and there are no assurance that he ever gets back to those heights. It will clearly depend on landing spot after Brady. While I think I might pull the trigger on this for a healthy Chase, I think it's a bit much in the context of a lifeline to the Chase owner that has no viable replacements for 4-6 weeks.
As for Lamb/Waddle plus Higgins, I'm definitely out on that one even with a fully healthy Chase. Someone on here posted a side-by-side comparison of the two Bengals when they were both starting and the production was extremely close. Of course that was a couple of week ago. After two monster games and a Higgins ankle issue, that comparison is probably a bit closer to what one would expect. I'm getting to a point where I have Higgins just on the heels of Lamb and Waddle. Obviously this is going to be a big audition to see if he can stay healthy and get the uptick in production that you would expect while Chase is out.
I think I might offer all of these WRs straight up with a somewhat helpful bench RB, maybe another promising young WR in Alec Pierce. If it's not good enough to garner a response, so be it. This is definitely a case of trying to take advantage of an owner that might be on tilt and just wants to stay competitive in the playoff race. This guy drafted Jared Cook at 2.1 of the '21 rookie/FA draft because he needed a TE
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I just bought CMC and Terrace Marshall for a late 2023 1st, likely late 2024 1st, and a late 2023 3rd.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
He went for a late 2023 2nd in one of my leagues, felt a bit steep for me.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This is too rich for me on Chase, but I get it. To yours, I think I also view Waddle and Lamb as interchangeable in value and that would be a dilemma if i had to choose.
Adding Godwin to one of those guys, I could see it. He's getting to the apex. I think we've seen him at his best and there are no assurance that he ever gets back to those heights. It will clearly depend on landing spot after Brady. While I think I might pull the trigger on this for a healthy Chase, I think it's a bit much in the context of a lifeline to the Chase owner that has no viable replacements for 4-6 weeks.
As for Lamb/Waddle plus Higgins, I'm definitely out on that one even with a fully healthy Chase. Someone on here posted a side-by-side comparison of the two Bengals when they were both starting and the production was extremely close. Of course that was a couple of week ago. After two monster games and a Higgins ankle issue, that comparison is probably a bit closer to what one would expect. I'm getting to a point where I have Higgins just on the heels of Lamb and Waddle. Obviously this is going to be a big audition to see if he can stay healthy and get the uptick in production that you would expect while Chase is out.
I think I might offer all of these WRs straight up with a somewhat helpful bench RB, maybe another promising young WR in Alec Pierce. If it's not good enough to garner a response, so be it. This is definitely a case of trying to take advantage of an owner that might be on tilt and just wants to stay competitive in the playoff race. This guy drafted Jared Cook at 2.1 of the '21 rookie/FA draft because he needed a TE
Chase is a 22 year old wide receiver. You're not getting any kind of meaningful discount on him because of a 4-6 week injury.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I would trade my fifth in a 16 team league every tear
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
This is too rich for me on Chase, but I get it. To yours, I think I also view Waddle and Lamb as interchangeable in value and that would be a dilemma if i had to choose.
Adding Godwin to one of those guys, I could see it. He's getting to the apex. I think we've seen him at his best and there are no assurance that he ever gets back to those heights. It will clearly depend on landing spot after Brady. While I think I might pull the trigger on this for a healthy Chase, I think it's a bit much in the context of a lifeline to the Chase owner that has no viable replacements for 4-6 weeks.
As for Lamb/Waddle plus Higgins, I'm definitely out on that one even with a fully healthy Chase. Someone on here posted a side-by-side comparison of the two Bengals when they were both starting and the production was extremely close. Of course that was a couple of week ago. After two monster games and a Higgins ankle issue, that comparison is probably a bit closer to what one would expect. I'm getting to a point where I have Higgins just on the heels of Lamb and Waddle. Obviously this is going to be a big audition to see if he can stay healthy and get the uptick in production that you would expect while Chase is out.
I think I might offer all of these WRs straight up with a somewhat helpful bench RB, maybe another promising young WR in Alec Pierce. If it's not good enough to garner a response, so be it. This is definitely a case of trying to take advantage of an owner that might be on tilt and just wants to stay competitive in the playoff race. This guy drafted Jared Cook at 2.1 of the '21 rookie/FA draft because he needed a TE
Chase is a 22 year old wide receiver. You're not getting any kind of meaningful discount on him because of a 4-6 week injury.
Well, I didn't. But the guy who landed him for A. Jones + Keenan Allen sure did.
Like I said, dumb owner that can't see past the upcoming week's matchups. Tricked himself into actually thinking he was a contender. Alen and Jones maybe gives him a prayer that he wouldn't have holding on to Chase, but I doubt that they'll be enough.
He basically took $0.50 on the dollar. I gave him five offers that I think were in the $0.80 on the dollar range. Do I maybe wish that I went to $0.90 or $0.95 on the chance that it would've been enough to go in my direction? Sure, but then if that gets accepted i'm left wondering if he would've taken the $0.80 offer. You can only do so much to scheme against the weakest owners in your league. I took my shot and he accepted something inferior to my lowball offers. Shrug and move on.
Also, this is nuance of different variations of dynasty leagues in play. With Empire Dynasty, it's not at all crazy to view player values as something in between (regular) dynasty and redraft since the league potentially ends this season if the wrong team wins the championship. In that context, 4-6 weeks and a season killing injury matters if you've tricked yourself into thinking you can contend.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Better than fair chance Chase isn't back this season. Still wouldn't trade him for less than 110% of value.
Blick
Footballguy
Price check on Dobbins and game strategy.
This team is coming out of a rebuild was a likely playoff team at the beginning of the season. With injuries, bad luck, etc. it's not going to get there. I was offered Dobbins/3rd for my DJ Moore. On the surface it feels like I'm losing this one. Further, I hate to lose a youngish WR on a young team. But given that this team is out, it may benefit to lose the potential points.
Thoughts?
This team is coming out of a rebuild was a likely playoff team at the beginning of the season. With injuries, bad luck, etc. it's not going to get there. I was offered Dobbins/3rd for my DJ Moore. On the surface it feels like I'm losing this one. Further, I hate to lose a youngish WR on a young team. But given that this team is out, it may benefit to lose the potential points.
Thoughts?
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sheerterror
Footballguy
I'd want more for Moore. Dobbins seems like a diminished asset at the moment. With both Edwards and Drake looking good plus Lamar there, that Bal backfield is pretty crowded and it would seem fairly ambitious to project Dobbins to end up eventually recapturing the bellcow spot. 3rd does nothing for me when moving a guy like Moore who still holds WR1.5 upside.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I think you would have to really like Dobbins. I wouldn't even factor the 3rd in. If you think Dobbins for Moore is even value for '23 going forward, sure. However, I will take Moore.
If the potential points downgrade is going to give you a shot of going from the 1.5 to 1.2, then yeah, that's something to think about. However, there are other ways to do that without having to take a meh trade. I would rather trade Moore for one high pick in '23 if it can be done.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Thoughts on value of Hines post trade to the Bills? I'm not sure if this actually increases his value any, it's a better offence but unclear how much he'll actually be utilised
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Not even bothering with a sales pitch at this point in my 12-team / 24-man league. If he gets decent usage and breaks one early, I might check to see if he's captured the attention of anyone.
If somebody came at me today with a pick in this non-Superflex, he's gone with a late 2nd. Probably send him out for a pick at the top of round 3. Less than that and I'm holding to see what their plan is or as an injury stash.
In four weeks if he's a small part of the offense and primarily asked to be a special teams contributor, I might just move on.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
It's amazing to me anybody is still interested in a single asset in the BAL backfield. They've been on my ignore list for years now. All of em.
northern exposure
Footballguy
I was offered Elijah Mitchell for my AJ Dillon (I own CMC, but the other owner does not own Aaron Jones). Seems like an easy Decline to me because Mitchell is returning from injury and is behind CMC now. I think Dillon has a better chance at value going forward than Mitchell. Thoughts?
Raging weasel
Footballguy
I have Dillon and wouldn't move him for Mitchell unless he throws in an early 2nd
sheerterror
Footballguy
I'm a double owner of Mitchell and would take Dillon for him in a heartbeat.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Where do we value Likely? I have him in a non TE premium 1 QB league.
I was in discussion with an owner that wanted him as a fill in since he owns Andrews.
His offer was his 2023 1st (late- best team in league) and Fant
For
My Likely, 2023 2nd early, 2023 2nd early
I view this as very cheap for Likely, but wanted to get others opinions.
I was in discussion with an owner that wanted him as a fill in since he owns Andrews.
His offer was his 2023 1st (late- best team in league) and Fant
For
My Likely, 2023 2nd early, 2023 2nd early
I view this as very cheap for Likely, but wanted to get others opinions.
If that's only a few pick difference between the late first and early second(s) I think you are losing that deal even if you removed Fant and Likely from the equation and Likely>Fant.
As for Likely's value he's hard to get a handle on. Goedert in his second year was a low end TE1 with Ertz healthy so that's the optimistic angle. We don't yet know, and have not seen any proof yet, that Likely can co-exist with Andrews and even if shows he can this year that might not be the case when they get some better healthy WR's. And Andrews base salary is super low all the way through 2025 which happens to be the end of Likely's rookie contract so if he can't prove to have stand alone value with Andrews it's a long long hold.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Thank you that was my exact reasoning for countering. I felt that subtracting Likely from the equation the draft picks are somewhat equal on the sides. I countered with his late first, Fant for 2023 2nd early, Likely. He declined and resent his original offer.
I also think this weekend will be another opportunity for everyone to see Likely's skills because I don't think Andrews is playing. I agree that its a long game with Likely due to contract situation. I think he could very easily be the #2 or #3 target in that offense next year, but would really need more focus on 2 TE formations with both running routes.
I think your counter was fair and I'd not budge on it.
I agree on this sentence I quoted. It won't show if he can co-exist with Andrews but another good game increases his value. Really you have no reason doing that trade proposed because you have nothing to lose by holding onto Likely and the potential of his value growing for ROS especially if he shows he can coexist with Andrews.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Appreciate the quick reply, I countered again with original offer and also included todays practice report so he saw that Andrews didn't practice and doubtful to play. He accepted the offer. So trade ended up being:
Fant, 2023 1st (late)
for
Likely, 2023 2nd (early), 2023 3rd (late)
This league I also have Pitts so was willing to pat with Likely. I do like Likely's long term prospects, but really don't think he will put up that great of numbers as TE2 in Baltimore. So it would be a long time to see him as TE1 in an offense (unless of course he is traded somewhere).
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I think another concept involved in the above sequence is the face that a contender needed a TE to start this weekend to continue his success and offered below market value. As a rebuilder, I think it's important to look at win now pieces on your roster and sell when the time is right. The deal I completed was right at market value, but for truly desperate teams sell those win now pieces to teams in need so you can help your rebuild.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Value check on Fields in Superflex? He's seeming like a huge sell high candidate right now. Love the kid, but his passing yardage is still low and he can't run 100+ yards per game every game can he??
The Tahitian Facemask
Footballguy
1QB PPR 12 team
Pollard and a low 2023 3rd
OR
McLaurin and a mid-high 2023 2nd maybe as high as top 3
Thoughts?
Pollard and a low 2023 3rd
OR
McLaurin and a mid-high 2023 2nd maybe as high as top 3
Thoughts?
