Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (6 Viewers)

[Boston]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Wow...tough one...usually I am good with going to the mat to get a top-shelf, young QB like Lawrence in SF...in this case that price maybe too much because you are probably guaranteed to get Young at 1.2 (I am assuming Bijan goes #1.1) and there is a big gap between Kirk and Hill...I would try to get more creative with that second piece instead of Kirk (who I do like but not this much...especially if you have Ridley as well).

I don’t really feel like Kirk is that much of the equation.

For me it’s TLaw for 1.02+Hill

Feels like we know TLaw isn’t a bust. As a Zach Wilson shareholder I feel like that’s worth the price alone.

Potential hindsight kicking oneself if Young or Stroud goes ham, but equal potential of Young or Stroud being well behind TLaw for a couple years.

Kirk is coming off of a year where he went 84-1,108-8 on an ascending offense that has invested big $ in him...not sure how you can say that is not at least part of the equation...now, I am not a fan of Kirk in this deal which is why I would try to get a second piece that does more for me...I don't disagree about going all in on Lawrence and you do have to overpay to get him but if I am offering 1.2 and Hill I am going to definitely talk to the Hurts, Allen, Burrow and Mahomes Owners to see if they have interest....as well as just dealing Hill to see if I can get another quality QB while keeping the 1.2...while you make a great point about the downside of 1.2 the upside is Young ends up close to Lawrence in fantasy and you also lost one of the most dynamic players in Hill...this is a tough one which is why I would try to do something different than Kirk.

Ok, perhaps I was being hyperbolic. I like Kirk. He’s a nice piece.

But the prize here is TLaw.

Hill is great. He’s also about to turn 29. Kirk is 26, so CFG would get 3+ years younger at WR in this deal as well.

I agree about the downside. Definitely potential for Young to be almost as good, or even as good as TLaw. But it also seems likely that Young will be in a significantly worse situation than TLaw for a couple of rebuilding seasons.

I guess I was trying to say the price CFG would pay for the safety of TLaw here is basically Hill. But you’re right - it’s actually the difference between Hill & Kirk. In that light, I like it even more.

I have the 1.02 and I’d pay this for TLaw if I had Hill & a willing partner.

Would all depend on what my roster looks like...on one hand I don't think you will regret it in the long run but on the other hand I do feel like I might be able to do better if I dealt those two assets either together or separately than Lawrence and Kirk...I guess I am 50/50 on this one and ultimately how one feels about Young goes a long way towards what you would do.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Would all depend on what my roster looks like...on one hand I don't think you will regret it in the long run but on the other hand I do feel like I might be able to do better if I dealt those two assets either together or separately than Lawrence and Kirk...I guess I am 50/50 on this one and ultimately how one feels about Young goes a long way towards what you would do.

I agree with that.

i really like Young (and Stroud) but I feel the rookies are significantly riskier.

I love the idea of building around TLaw. I wish I could pull off a deal like this in my league.

Honestly I’m wondering about the other side of this deal - why would someone want to deal away a 23 year old TLaw when he finally looks like he’s breaking out for a rookie QB.

I suspect they had 2 other QBs already and might be targeting Gibbs, or trying to put a package together for Bijan?

I dunno - it seems odd. I spoke with the TLaw owner in my league last week and he’s basically untouchable. (TLaw, not the owner. It would be awkward if I touched him though)

 

[Boston]

Would all depend on what my roster looks like...on one hand I don't think you will regret it in the long run but on the other hand I do feel like I might be able to do better if I dealt those two assets either together or separately than Lawrence and Kirk...I guess I am 50/50 on this one and ultimately how one feels about Young goes a long way towards what you would do.

I agree with that.

i really like Young (and Stroud) but I feel the rookies are significantly riskier.

I love the idea of building around TLaw. I wish I could pull off a deal like this in my league.

Honestly I’m wondering about the other side of this deal - why would someone want to deal away a 23 year old TLaw when he finally looks like he’s breaking out for a rookie QB.

I suspect they had 2 other QBs already and might be targeting Gibbs, or trying to put a package together for Bijan?

I dunno - it seems odd. I spoke with the TLaw owner in my league last week and he’s basically untouchable. (TLaw, not the owner. It would be awkward if I touched him though)

Funny timing...just addressed this in the trade thread...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Funny timing...just addressed this in the trade thread...

Haha - and I pointed out the timing in the trades topic!

You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!

 

[efactor]

Dak thoughts?

16 team league. Won the league with a combo of Brady/Geno. Strong everywhere else. Dak owner asking if I'm interested.

I have picks #15 and 16. Was going to offer him Geno and pick 15, which seems reasonable in a 16 team league but just a little apprehensive after his pick filled 2022.

Appreciate any input on Dak over the next 4-5 years

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dak thoughts?

16 team league. Won the league with a combo of Brady/Geno. Strong everywhere else. Dak owner asking if I'm interested.

I have picks #15 and 16. Was going to offer him Geno and pick 15, which seems reasonable in a 16 team league but just a little apprehensive after his pick filled 2022.

Appreciate any input on Dak over the next 4-5 years

Honestly I’d rather roll out Geno.

Is that SF or 1-QB?

Dak was brutal in 2022. I guess the question is whether you believe Dak is more the 2021 guy or the 2022 guy.

He’s probably somewhere in between.

I don’t mind trading Geno & the 1.15, I’m just not sure I’d want to do it for Dak.

 

[efactor]

Dak thoughts?

16 team league. Won the league with a combo of Brady/Geno. Strong everywhere else. Dak owner asking if I'm interested.

I have picks #15 and 16. Was going to offer him Geno and pick 15, which seems reasonable in a 16 team league but just a little apprehensive after his pick filled 2022.

Appreciate any input on Dak over the next 4-5 years

Honestly I’d rather roll out Geno.

Is that SF or 1-QB?

Dak was brutal in 2022. I guess the question is whether you believe Dak is more the 2021 guy or the 2022 guy.

He’s probably somewhere in between.

I don’t mind trading Geno & the 1.15, I’m just not sure I’d want to do it for Dak.

1 QB.

Plus, Geno being a Seahawk takes some fun out of winning when he is in the lineup. Generally try to stay away from Seahawks

So hard to trade for a QB in this league. Good ones are held onto like grim death, even if they happen to have 2 good ones even though it's not SF

 

[Boston]

Dak thoughts?

16 team league. Won the league with a combo of Brady/Geno. Strong everywhere else. Dak owner asking if I'm interested.

I have picks #15 and 16. Was going to offer him Geno and pick 15, which seems reasonable in a 16 team league but just a little apprehensive after his pick filled 2022.

Appreciate any input on Dak over the next 4-5 years

It is very tough to get QBs in leagues this size...the math dictates that...if you can get Dak for that in this format I would definitely do it (you probably aren't going to be able to get any of those top-shelf QBS...and if you did you would probably have to gut your roster)...he is not a top-tier QB but he is a solid fantasy QB...Geno is a great story and looked good this year but up until this year he was a career backup and I would feel a lot safer with Dak as my QB going forward.

 

[Keith R]

Dak thoughts?

16 team league. Won the league with a combo of Brady/Geno. Strong everywhere else. Dak owner asking if I'm interested.

I have picks #15 and 16. Was going to offer him Geno and pick 15, which seems reasonable in a 16 team league but just a little apprehensive after his pick filled 2022.

Appreciate any input on Dak over the next 4-5 years

How soon are you wanting to make a move? Holding on to Geno could be risky, depending on what Seattle does with him and with the draft.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dak thoughts?

16 team league. Won the league with a combo of Brady/Geno. Strong everywhere else. Dak owner asking if I'm interested.

I have picks #15 and 16. Was going to offer him Geno and pick 15, which seems reasonable in a 16 team league but just a little apprehensive after his pick filled 2022.

Appreciate any input on Dak over the next 4-5 years

It is very tough to get QBs in leagues this size...the math dictates that...if you can get Dak for that in this format I would definitely do it (you probably aren't going to be able to get any of those top-shelf QBS...and if you did you would probably have to gut your roster)...he is not a top-tier QB but he is a solid fantasy QB...Geno is a great story and looked good this year but up until this year he was a career backup and I would feel a lot safer with Dak as my QB going forward.

Yeah, the more I’ve thought about this one, the more I agree with this.

Dak’s age & team / weapons tilts this in favor of Dak.

Upgrade in age, offense, and at the cost of just a 1.15 seems pretty minimal in terms of investment.

 

[ratbast]

I just bought Dak at bottom dollar. 1 qb 12 team. Partial Dynasty. I feel qbs are thinner than in past.

 

[zaner75]

I just bought Dak at bottom dollar. 1 qb 12 team. Partial Dynasty. I feel qbs are thinner than in past.

That seems to be the common perception this offseason. There's 8-11 that people really feel secure about having

 

[Birdie048]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

12 Team PPR 1QB ... Full Rebuild
This is not asking for advice on a Trade offer, but simply to review & showing an example of an offer for my 1.01

I GET: Phil Miles Sanders RB, TB Chris Godwin WR, ATL Kyle Pitts TE, 1.06 and 2024 1st (likely late - won last year & lost semi this year)
I GIVE UP: 1.01, 2.01, JAX Calvin Ridley WR

Rejected the offer for the following reasons:
PHIL RB Sanders (26 yo) is FA and with <50% return to Philly = future uncertain or RBBC
TB WR Godwin needs QB and potential new Offense / Evans cap cut/trade means more double coverage for Godwin
ATL TE K Pitts recovering MCL & needs QB / OC wants to run more (still young so valuable)
1.06 = possible nice WR, but clearly not generational RB Bjan caliber
2024 1st is the best part of the deal ...

Calcs show it was a good deal ... but uncertainty is part of the game ... I don't like 3 Rolls of the Dice for the ROI

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't like 3 Rolls of the Dice for the ROI

Couldn't have summed it up better myself.

I might be higher on Pitts than you, and IMO he's the other biggest prize in this deal after the 1.Bijan - if any piece would tempt me to make that trade it would be PItts.

I think the value is right, but Sanders doesn't really move the needle for me, and neither does Godwin. And at their ages, by the time your rebuild is ready to compete, they'll be 28-29 year old players you'll be trying to move off of. They feel like 2 players thrown in to make the draft calcs say it's even or even tilted in your favor.

So to me it boils down to Pitts, 1.06 & a late 2024 1sr for Bijan, the 2.01, & Ridley.

In this draft, the 2.01 could be a Mayer, Tucker, Hyatt, Boutte, Bigsby, Charbonet, Downs, etc. e.g. a strong prospect with a likely high success rate. One of my calcs has it ~600 to ~400 with Sanders + Godwin. Without those 2, it's ~385 to ~348 in favor of the 1.01

Now, hypothetically speaking, you could conceivably move Godwin + Sanders for another, younger asset - which would net you the 1.06 (tier 1 rookie WR) + player acquired by Sanders/Godwin trade, + Pitts, + the late 2024. It would just take more work on your part, and suddenly Sanders & Godwin become your headache to move instead of your trade partner's. I have Sanders value somewhere between meh and meh given the 2023 RB landscape. Godwin without Brady might not be pretty.

So it's not an unfair offer - there's potentially a ton of value coming at you for that 1.01 & 1.02 It just depends on where you want that value - in a potential TE1 on a run-first team + some pieces, or in a "generational talent" at RB & the 2.01 asset.

I could totally see a team that was more established and coveting Pitts making that trade, and dealing with the flotsam after the fact. It just depends on your preference.

 

[Buckna]

A long time ago there was a debate on here about whether any player was ever worth more than 4 random 1sts. IMO that’s basically the 1.01 for Pitts, 1.06, Godwin, & a late ‘24 1st (which is basically one early, two mid and one late 1st in my mind.) If you want to pull out calculators, all 3 I typed it into have it massively in favor of the Pitts side. Almost 2 to 1 in one case and that’s with the 2.01 too. I guess everyone has their preferences especially if you don’t like Pitts or Godwin but that is an easy smash accept IMO. 4 very good pieces to jump start a rebuild for a guy who hadn’t set foot in the NFL yet (I am a fan of Pitts and Godwin.)

I will say, nearly every time we’ve had a generational RB talent come in, I’ve been on the side that says sell for a huge package, because people will often massively overpay: Barkley, Zeke, Gurley, TRich, Reggie Bush, etc. So take my opinion in mind with that bias up front.

Only alteration I might make is try to drop Sanders and the 2.01 from each side. Even if supposedly Sanders in a vacuum is worth more than the 2.01 (according to various sites, not sure I agree with that) he doesn’t help a full rebuild as much as the 2.01 would.

 

[Birdie048]

A long time ago there was a debate on here about whether any player was ever worth more than 4 random 1sts. IMO that’s basically the 1.01 for Pitts, 1.06, Godwin, & a late ‘24 1st (which is basically one early, two mid and one late 1st in my mind.) If you want to pull out calculators, all 3 I typed it into have it massively in favor of the Pitts side. Almost 2 to 1 in one case and that’s with the 2.01 too. I guess everyone has their preferences especially if you don’t like Pitts or Godwin but that is an easy smash accept IMO. 4 very good pieces to jump start a rebuild for a guy who hadn’t set foot in the NFL yet (I am a fan of Pitts and Godwin.)

I will say, nearly every time we’ve had a generational RB talent come in, I’ve been on the side that says sell for a huge package, because people will often massively overpay: Barkley, Zeke, Gurley, TRich, Reggie Bush, etc. So take my opinion in mind with that bias up front.

Only alteration I might make is try to drop Sanders and the 2.01 from each side. Even if supposedly Sanders in a vacuum is worth more than the 2.01 (according to various sites, not sure I agree with that) he doesn’t help a full rebuild as much as the 2.01 would.

Thanks ... appreciate the feedback and discussion.
While I agree the Calc show in favor of making the deal, but I view it as 1.01 for Pitts, 1.06 & 24 1st. (3 for 1 deal)
Godwin & Sanders are unlikely to have close to the repeat season like 2022. Why pay premium prices for their "Career season" type effort? They have too much uncertainly to want to add them to the equation. That is him selling high and me paying the price.
I already have 4x1st in 2023 and 3 in 2024. It offers me something I already have. When you already have that asset (or similar), I see the value as diminished somewhat.

 

[ghostguy123]

Godwin should easily be worth a 1st

 

[Buckna]

Godwin should easily be worth a 1st

DLF has him equivalent to the 1.04 even with the uncertainty post Brady.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Godwin should easily be worth a 1st

DLF has him equivalent to the 1.04 even with the uncertainty post Brady.

I wouldn’t pay that. That situation is a buy low or avoid

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Godwin should easily be worth a 1st

DLF has him equivalent to the 1.04 even with the uncertainty post Brady.

That’s a tough sell - post-Brady could be a s***show.

 

[Boston]

Agree with the above...I would be in no rush to give up quality assets for Godwin right now.

 

[ghostguy123]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

Agreed. And I’m not sure I’d give up the 1.10 or 2.01 for Godwin with so many younger options on the board there. Those picks are really sneaky valuable draft assets this year. Charbomet, Mayer, Downs, Boutte, etc - I’m not sure I’d want Godwin on the new look Bucs over any of them. At least not until I know who their QB is. Godwin’s about to turn 27 (Feb 27th) as well, so also adding 6-7 years of age with such a deal.

I’d pass & take a gamble on the depth of this draft class. Personal preference. I know some folks love Godwin, and I won’t say it’s not fair value. It’s just not a deal I’d make.

 

[Boston]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

I don't really disagree...but I would target something else with that 1st...he will be 27 this month and if Tampa is a mess post-Brady you could end up with a season or two of mediocrity and suddenly he is almost 30...now, if you can acquire him at a bit of a discount and they figure out the QB position it could work out really well...for me, I will take a pass on it.

 

[ghostguy123]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

Agreed. And I’m not sure I’d give up the 1.10 or 2.01 for Godwin with so many younger options on the board there. Those picks are really sneaky valuable draft assets this year. Charbomet, Mayer, Downs, Boutte, etc - I’m not sure I’d want Godwin on the new look Bucs over any of them. At least not until I know who their QB is. Godwin’s about to turn 27 (Feb 27th) as well, so also adding 6-7 years of age with such a deal.

I’d pass & take a gamble on the depth of this draft class. Personal preference. I know some folks love Godwin, and I won’t say it’s not fair value. It’s just not a deal I’d make.

Considering most of the guys enter at 22, and generally take a good two years before they mature, are you REALLY adding "6-7 years"??

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Considering most of the guys enter at 22, and generally take a good two years before they mature, are you REALLY adding "6-7 years"??

Ok, literally 6-7, FF-wise 4-5.

It’s still a big chunk.

 

[ghostguy123]

Considering most of the guys enter at 22, and generally take a good two years before they mature, are you REALLY adding "6-7 years"??

Ok, literally 6-7, FF-wise 4-5.

It’s still a big chunk.

More like 3-4. Also, bust rate is more than 50 for late 1sts. Gotta factor in everything.
Rebuilders probably prefer pick 11 over Godwin
Competing teams probably prefer Godwin over pick 11.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Considering most of the guys enter at 22, and generally take a good two years before they mature, are you REALLY adding "6-7 years"??

Ok, literally 6-7, FF-wise 4-5.

It’s still a big chunk.

More like 3-4. Also, bust rate is more than 50 for late 1sts. Gotta factor in everything.
Rebuilders probably prefer pick 11 over Godwin
Competing teams probably prefer Godwin over pick 11.

That’s fair.

but it is more of an average. In deeper drafts, the later picks could well bust at a lower rate.

And as I mentioned, I am weary of a post Brady, Tampa Bay offense hurting Godwins production. I think it’s at least worth considering that in the equation. At least, until their quarterback situation is settled. I guess it’s worth the risk. If you believe Tampa Bay will bring someone in who will maintain Godwins production.

 

[Buckna]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

More than likely DLF’s data will shift Godwin down some now that Brady announced his retirement a few days ago, but FWIW, I agree. I wouldn’t pay the 1.04 with so much uncertainty now that Brady is retired. I’d pay a late 1st in a heartbeat. How quickly people forget that Godwin put up great numbers with the likes of both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jamies Winston before Brady came to town. So I am not as worried about him post-Brady as I would be other WR’s that lose their star QB.

There is buzz that the Bucs are rumored to be interested in Carr at the moment. They seem more likely to go Vet QB than trade up for a rookie or go with a total castoff which should be good for both Evans (if he’s kept) and Godwin.

 

[ghostguy123]

Considering most of the guys enter at 22, and generally take a good two years before they mature, are you REALLY adding "6-7 years"??

Ok, literally 6-7, FF-wise 4-5.

It’s still a big chunk.

More like 3-4. Also, bust rate is more than 50 for late 1sts. Gotta factor in everything.
Rebuilders probably prefer pick 11 over Godwin
Competing teams probably prefer Godwin over pick 11.

That’s fair.

but it is more of an average. In deeper drafts, the later picks could well bust at a lower rate.

And as I mentioned, I am weary of a post Brady, Tampa Bay office hurting Godwins production. I think it’s at least worth considering that in the equation. At least, until their quarterback situation is settled. I guess it’s worth the risk. If you believe Tampa Bay will bring someone in who will maintain Godwins production.

They might. Brady was yuck. Or they just trade him.

 

[ghostguy123]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

More than likely DLF’s data will shift Godwin down some now that Brady announced his retirement a few days ago, but FWIW, I agree. I wouldn’t pay the 1.04 with so much uncertainty now that Brady is retired. I’d pay a late 1st in a heartbeat. How quickly people forget that Godwin put up great numbers with the likes of both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jamies Winston before Brady came to town. So I am not as worried about him post-Brady as I would be other WR’s that lose their star QB.

There is buzz that the Bucs are rumored to be interested in Carr at the moment. They seem more likely to go Vet QB than trade up for a rookie or go with a total castoff which should be good for both Evans (if he’s kept) and Godwin.

I can easily see Carr in Tampa

 

[Boston]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

More than likely DLF’s data will shift Godwin down some now that Brady announced his retirement a few days ago, but FWIW, I agree. I wouldn’t pay the 1.04 with so much uncertainty now that Brady is retired. I’d pay a late 1st in a heartbeat. How quickly people forget that Godwin put up great numbers with the likes of both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jamies Winston before Brady came to town. So I am not as worried about him post-Brady as I would be other WR’s that lose their star QB.

There is buzz that the Bucs are rumored to be interested in Carr at the moment. They seem more likely to go Vet QB than trade up for a rookie or go with a total castoff which should be good for both Evans (if he’s kept) and Godwin.

I can easily see Carr in Tampa

Tampa is in rough shape with the salary cap this offseason...there is always ways to screw around with it but fitting in a reasonably expensive QB will be tough.

 

[ghostguy123]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

More than likely DLF’s data will shift Godwin down some now that Brady announced his retirement a few days ago, but FWIW, I agree. I wouldn’t pay the 1.04 with so much uncertainty now that Brady is retired. I’d pay a late 1st in a heartbeat. How quickly people forget that Godwin put up great numbers with the likes of both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jamies Winston before Brady came to town. So I am not as worried about him post-Brady as I would be other WR’s that lose their star QB.

There is buzz that the Bucs are rumored to be interested in Carr at the moment. They seem more likely to go Vet QB than trade up for a rookie or go with a total castoff which should be good for both Evans (if he’s kept) and Godwin.

I can easily see Carr in Tampa

Tampa is in rough shape with the salary cap this offseason...there is always ways to screw around with it but fitting in a reasonably expensive QB will be tough.

Cleveland found a way for Watson to count 1 million against the cap. They have a good enough team to win. I don't see a rebuild starting yet

 

[Boston]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

More than likely DLF’s data will shift Godwin down some now that Brady announced his retirement a few days ago, but FWIW, I agree. I wouldn’t pay the 1.04 with so much uncertainty now that Brady is retired. I’d pay a late 1st in a heartbeat. How quickly people forget that Godwin put up great numbers with the likes of both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jamies Winston before Brady came to town. So I am not as worried about him post-Brady as I would be other WR’s that lose their star QB.

There is buzz that the Bucs are rumored to be interested in Carr at the moment. They seem more likely to go Vet QB than trade up for a rookie or go with a total castoff which should be good for both Evans (if he’s kept) and Godwin.

I can easily see Carr in Tampa

Tampa is in rough shape with the salary cap this offseason...there is always ways to screw around with it but fitting in a reasonably expensive QB will be tough.

Cleveland found a way for Watson to count 1 million against the cap. They have a good enough team to win. I don't see a rebuild starting yet

They went 8-9 and if they bring in Carr that probably means they can't do much else...they are not headed in the right direction.

 

[ghostguy123]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

More than likely DLF’s data will shift Godwin down some now that Brady announced his retirement a few days ago, but FWIW, I agree. I wouldn’t pay the 1.04 with so much uncertainty now that Brady is retired. I’d pay a late 1st in a heartbeat. How quickly people forget that Godwin put up great numbers with the likes of both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jamies Winston before Brady came to town. So I am not as worried about him post-Brady as I would be other WR’s that lose their star QB.

There is buzz that the Bucs are rumored to be interested in Carr at the moment. They seem more likely to go Vet QB than trade up for a rookie or go with a total castoff which should be good for both Evans (if he’s kept) and Godwin.

I can easily see Carr in Tampa

Tampa is in rough shape with the salary cap this offseason...there is always ways to screw around with it but fitting in a reasonably expensive QB will be tough.

Cleveland found a way for Watson to count 1 million against the cap. They have a good enough team to win. I don't see a rebuild starting yet

They went 8-9 and if they bring in Carr that probably means they can't do much else...they are not headed in the right direction.

They also likely aren't going to throw the towel in yet IMO

 

[menobrown]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

I don't really disagree...but I would target something else with that 1st...he will be 27 this month and if Tampa is a mess post-Brady you could end up with a season or two of mediocrity and suddenly he is almost 30...now, if you can acquire him at a bit of a discount and they figure out the QB position it could work out really well...for me, I will take a pass on it.

I got a lot of late 1's and I'd rather hold them and keep my options over giving them up for Godwin. If that's a deal I can get after the NFL draft or I'm OTC I might do it but just right now prefer the fluid asset of the pick.

Reason is really what you are stating about possibly buying a mediocre player though I kind of hate to use that word with him. Just hard to get over fact Brady attempted about 50 passes more then anyone in the league and the volume reduction to that passing attack could be massive. He was really good with Winston back in 2019 on far less targets but can he still run like that and for all of Winston's issues he can deliver the ba

 

[Boston]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

I don't really disagree...but I would target something else with that 1st...he will be 27 this month and if Tampa is a mess post-Brady you could end up with a season or two of mediocrity and suddenly he is almost 30...now, if you can acquire him at a bit of a discount and they figure out the QB position it could work out really well...for me, I will take a pass on it.

I got a lot of late 1's and I'd rather hold them and keep my options over giving them up for Godwin. If that's a deal I can get after the NFL draft or I'm OTC I might do it but just right now prefer the fluid asset of the pick.

Reason is really what you are stating about possibly buying a mediocre player though I kind of hate to use that word with him. Just hard to get over fact Brady attempted about 50 passes more then anyone in the league and the volume reduction to that passing attack could be massive. He was really good with Winston back in 2019 on far less targets but can he still run like that and for all of Winston's issues he can deliver the ba

Exactly...keep your options open now....and when I say mediocre I mean fantasy not real...Godwin is a very good player.

 

[menobrown]

1.04 >> Godwin.
Godwin>> late 1st

I don't really disagree...but I would target something else with that 1st...he will be 27 this month and if Tampa is a mess post-Brady you could end up with a season or two of mediocrity and suddenly he is almost 30...now, if you can acquire him at a bit of a discount and they figure out the QB position it could work out really well...for me, I will take a pass on it.

I got a lot of late 1's and I'd rather hold them and keep my options over giving them up for Godwin. If that's a deal I can get after the NFL draft or I'm OTC I might do it but just right now prefer the fluid asset of the pick.

Reason is really what you are stating about possibly buying a mediocre player though I kind of hate to use that word with him. Just hard to get over fact Brady attempted about 50 passes more then anyone in the league and the volume reduction to that passing attack could be massive. He was really good with Winston back in 2019 on far less targets but can he still run like that and for all of Winston's issues he can deliver the ba

Man, I just realized I posted this without finishing my thought, lol. Seriously did not know I had hit submit. Anyway I think I got the point across, to much up in the air with Godwin right now and I'd rather keep my options open. It's possible he might be worth more along the lines of a mid first when all the info comes together, just right now I'm not in a rush to dive in for even a late 1, especially in FFPC with tighter pre-cut roster decisions.

 

[efactor]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

 

[ffmail4me]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

I think with Lawrence rise and the Jags having such a quick turn around the window to get Ridley cheap is over. And yes, I would gladly move Moore or Pierce to land Ridley. He went in the 9th round in a startup SF PPR Dynasty league I am drafting in right now, just after Cooper and Evans, but before Bateman, K. Allen, Sutton, Mike Williams, etc.

 

[JohnnyU]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

I think with Lawrence rise and the Jags having such a quick turn around the window to get Ridley cheap is over. And yes, I would gladly move Moore or Pierce to land Ridley. He went in the 9th round in a startup SF PPR Dynasty league I am drafting in right now, just after Cooper and Evans, but before Bateman, K. Allen, Sutton, Mike Williams, etc.

One thing you’re leaving out. Ridley is a head case who quit on his team. What if that rears its ugly head again? Not to mention he wasn’t exactly setting the woods on fire before he quit and hasn’t played in 2 years and is two years older.

 

[ffmail4me]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

I think with Lawrence rise and the Jags having such a quick turn around the window to get Ridley cheap is over. And yes, I would gladly move Moore or Pierce to land Ridley. He went in the 9th round in a startup SF PPR Dynasty league I am drafting in right now, just after Cooper and Evans, but before Bateman, K. Allen, Sutton, Mike Williams, etc.

One thing you’re leaving out. Ridley is a head case who quit on his team. What if that rears its ugly head again? Not to mention he wasn’t exactly setting the woods on fire before he quit and hasn’t played in 2 years and is two years older.

Some would say Randy Moss did the same thing when he was stuck with Raiders. With an aging Matt Ryan and pretty bad Falcons teams I can see like Moss in Oakland where his heart and passion wasn’t there. maybe he just needed a new team like Moss did?

 

[JohnnyU]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

I think with Lawrence rise and the Jags having such a quick turn around the window to get Ridley cheap is over. And yes, I would gladly move Moore or Pierce to land Ridley. He went in the 9th round in a startup SF PPR Dynasty league I am drafting in right now, just after Cooper and Evans, but before Bateman, K. Allen, Sutton, Mike Williams, etc.

One thing you’re leaving out. Ridley is a head case who quit on his team. What if that rears its ugly head again? Not to mention he wasn’t exactly setting the woods on fire before he quit and hasn’t played in 2 years and is two years older.

Some would say Randy Moss did the same thing when he was stuck with Raiders. With an aging Matt Ryan and pretty bad Falcons teams I can see like Moss in Oakland where his heart and passion wasn’t there. maybe he just needed a new team like Moss did?

Apples to oranges. Ridley actually quit the NFL because of mental issues. Who’s to say that is better? Nothing like the Moss situation in Oakland.

 

[ffmail4me]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

I think with Lawrence rise and the Jags having such a quick turn around the window to get Ridley cheap is over. And yes, I would gladly move Moore or Pierce to land Ridley. He went in the 9th round in a startup SF PPR Dynasty league I am drafting in right now, just after Cooper and Evans, but before Bateman, K. Allen, Sutton, Mike Williams, etc.

One thing you’re leaving out. Ridley is a head case who quit on his team. What if that rears its ugly head again? Not to mention he wasn’t exactly setting the woods on fire before he quit and hasn’t played in 2 years and is two years older.

Some would say Randy Moss did the same thing when he was stuck with Raiders. With an aging Matt Ryan and pretty bad Falcons teams I can see like Moss in Oakland where his heart and passion wasn’t there. maybe he just needed a new team like Moss did?

Apples to oranges. Ridley actually quit the NFL because of mental issues. Who’s to say that is better? Nothing like the Moss situation in Oakland
I still think its possible his "mental health" issues were losing his love/passion to play the game in Altanta, again, similar to what happened with Moss in Oakland.

I think its very possible Ridley's "mental health" issues were just what I talked about, him losing his passion and desire to play for a crappy Falcons team. And that is similar to Moss in Oakland. I guess we'll have a much better idea if he comes back and looks like an all pro and stays clean off the field. I think its very possible we see a very motivated and much happier Ridley in Jacksonville. But yes, I acknowledge there are risks for sure.

 

[JohnnyU]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

I think with Lawrence rise and the Jags having such a quick turn around the window to get Ridley cheap is over. And yes, I would gladly move Moore or Pierce to land Ridley. He went in the 9th round in a startup SF PPR Dynasty league I am drafting in right now, just after Cooper and Evans, but before Bateman, K. Allen, Sutton, Mike Williams, etc.

One thing you’re leaving out. Ridley is a head case who quit on his team. What if that rears its ugly head again? Not to mention he wasn’t exactly setting the woods on fire before he quit and hasn’t played in 2 years and is two years older.

Some would say Randy Moss did the same thing when he was stuck with Raiders. With an aging Matt Ryan and pretty bad Falcons teams I can see like Moss in Oakland where his heart and passion wasn’t there. maybe he just needed a new team like Moss did?

Apples to oranges. Ridley actually quit the NFL because of mental issues. Who’s to say that is better? Nothing like the Moss situation in Oakland
I still think its possible his "mental health" issues were losing his love/passion to play the game in Altanta, again, similar to what happened with Moss in Oakland.

I think its very possible Ridley's "mental health" issues were just what I talked about, him losing his passion and desire to play for a crappy Falcons team. And that is similar to Moss in Oakland. I guess we'll have a much better idea if he comes back and looks like an all pro and stays clean off the field. I think its very possible we see a very motivated and much happier Ridley in Jacksonville. But yes, I acknowledge there are risks for sure.

I doubt “very possible “ that the Ridley situation mirrors Moss, is appropriate to characterize someone’s mental health with an opinion and guessing. It borders on irresponsible.

 

[sheerterror]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

I own both and would prob trade either for Ridley.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

Right now seems like a good time to sell - his value is swelling a little with optimism for his return, from what I’m seeing out here on these streets.

 

[titusbramble]

Any thoughts on value of Aaron Jones or Alvin Kamara? I have both, probably wanting to move one, both feel like the spot where only a contender would be interested, I'm not getting a first, but a second seems not enough. Maybe a 2024 first so that those in a win now spot don't lose a year of production from a pick they'd give up?

 

[efactor]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

Right now seems like a good time to sell - his value is swelling a little with optimism for his return, from what I’m seeing out here on these streets.

I agree with selling in my situation but just trying to get an opinion of a solid return for him.

The million dollar question is his mental state at this point. Don't think anyone doubts his talent, even after a two year absence. The situation is great as far as QB and coach. Lot of upside here if his head is right.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What are people getting for Ridley these days?

Picked him up on the cheap and my WR room is pretty set already, so don't really need him in the immediate future (2 years) and am thinking of offering him up for a younger WR like Pierce or Skyy Moore.

Right now seems like a good time to sell - his value is swelling a little with optimism for his return, from what I’m seeing out here on these streets.

I agree with selling in my situation but just trying to get an opinion of a solid return for him.

The million dollar question is his mental state at this point. Don't think anyone doubts his talent, even after a two year absence. The situation is great as far as QB and coach. Lot of upside here if his head is right.

if you’re selling, it’s “best shape of his life, mentally & physically! Can I haz trade now?”