In one of my 14 team SF leagues, he was traded for 1.01 a couple of months ago. Doubt he goes for that now. 1.04 seems like is where a decision would be considered. Don’t think 1.02/1.03 would move the pick for Kyler now, at the height of rookie fever.
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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (11 Viewers)
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
In an FFPC startup right now, standard. At pick 72. Only 6 rookies off the board, and i don't plan on taking one with my upcoming pick either.
3- bijan
23- Njigba
27- gibbs
40- Quentin Johnson
50- Jordan addison
59- charbonnet
71- zay flowers
3- bijan
23- Njigba
27- gibbs
40- Quentin Johnson
50- Jordan addison
59- charbonnet
71- zay flowers
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I’d be all over Charbonnet over 30 picks later than Gibbs.
Be interesting to see this changes after the draft, I'm guessing a ton. I think the issue with most of the RB movement in the RB4+ range is no one stands out as consensus so people are basically just waiting and pulling one's at value. I suspect we see a surge for some Rb's post draft, maybe not a lot of them, just 1-2 maybe but I still think it's going to shape a lot of rookie rankings in that 4-8 range.
And I easily like a rookie that has not been picked yet and right now would take him at rookie 4 or 5.
Blick
Footballguy
Here’s an interesting one. 12 team, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 Flex. PPR
I picked up an orphan 2 years ago. It was a “tear it to the studs” rebuild. I earned the 1.02 last season but think I’m making good progress through a pile of trades. Projected starting lineup is Hurts, Hall, No One - literally, Higgins, Metcalf, Devonte, Burks. Depth isn’t great with Brown and Dotson.
The owner of the 1.01, also earned, offer me 1.01 for 1.02, 1.07, and Dotson. I really wish I had to depth to cover this one, but probably have to pass.
I picked up an orphan 2 years ago. It was a “tear it to the studs” rebuild. I earned the 1.02 last season but think I’m making good progress through a pile of trades. Projected starting lineup is Hurts, Hall, No One - literally, Higgins, Metcalf, Devonte, Burks. Depth isn’t great with Brown and Dotson.
The owner of the 1.01, also earned, offer me 1.01 for 1.02, 1.07, and Dotson. I really wish I had to depth to cover this one, but probably have to pass.
In a start 7 with no required TE? That seems like a smash accept to me even with your depth issues. As long as roster sizes aren't overly large you probably can at least cobble together guys the next Richie James types off to start off the bench if you're proactive.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Take it and move Bijan later. Easy accept
Blick
Footballguy
Start 1 TE. I figured it wasn’t important.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
As they say, I would “break my finger“ accepting that trade.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
I think there’s a significant chance that the combination of RB devaluation combined with RB depth in the draft pushes the draft capital and subsequent value of a lot of these guys down considerably, post draft. Then, as training camps progress, I think we’ll see several day 3 RBs move up the depth charts, and their value will increase considerably.
I agree that's going to be the case with most of these Rb's we generally have ranked 4+. I think that's why a lot of people are scared to invest in them right now. I would be. I don't think anyone is in a rush to be the guy drafting RB4 or RB5 right now.
What I was trying to say I think things will work positively for a scant few RB's and those would be the one's seeing a jump in value.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Some of the vet RBs will take a value hit during the draft as well
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was just thinking that exact same thing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
On paper it’s probably fair, but I don’t see many owners going for this.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would trade ETN and Deebo for Bijan, but I don't see the Bijan owner agreeing.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn't trade Bijan. If I were the ETN and Deebo owner I would throw in a late 1st to see if that gets it done. If I knew my team was middle of the road or worse, I would try a 2024 1st instead.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well, Deebo is 27, soon to be 28. He’ also lacks stability at QB, putting his value into a bit of limbo. Plus the way the 49ers use him creates some risk. Mainly getting that much older in a deal is the part I’d pass on.
ETN is challenging because he’s not likely to get the same type of workload Bijan is. So if I’m being asked to take on ETN instead of Bijan Robinson, I’d need a young elite FF player and/or picks. Probably and.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep. As a guy drafting him in a few weeks, I’m holding strong.
It would take a godfather offer.
foxco
Footballguy
So ETN, Deebo, severed horse's head in bed?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It would be a solid opening salvo.
joey
Footballguy
Alright. You drive a hard bargain. I’ll throw in the dead fish wrapped in newspaper.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Leave the gun, take the cannoli
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team PPR. 1 QB.
Sparking from the Juedy/1.04 debate. What would you value the draft picks after the top 3?
What do you value 1.04 in draft picks? 2023 and 2024 picks only.
Separate question: What player/players would you need for 1.04?
Sparking from the Juedy/1.04 debate. What would you value the draft picks after the top 3?
What do you value 1.04 in draft picks? 2023 and 2024 picks only.
Separate question: What player/players would you need for 1.04?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
With the top 3 picks, I was planning on going Bijan, QB1 TBD, and WR.
But more and more SF mocks have 3 QBs in the 1st 5, and while that might not be true for the NFL, it likely will be in SF leagues.
as much as I like JSN, taking him 1.03 feels like leaving value on the table.
Trading down to 1.04 won’t work because I just dealt the 1.04 to the dude. lol
So I’m playing with the idea of dealing 1.03 for a WR1.
Fair value for Metcalf in a 12-team PPR?
Or Olave? Both teams need a QB, and have decent depth at WR.
But more and more SF mocks have 3 QBs in the 1st 5, and while that might not be true for the NFL, it likely will be in SF leagues.
as much as I like JSN, taking him 1.03 feels like leaving value on the table.
Trading down to 1.04 won’t work because I just dealt the 1.04 to the dude. lol
So I’m playing with the idea of dealing 1.03 for a WR1.
Fair value for Metcalf in a 12-team PPR?
Or Olave? Both teams need a QB, and have decent depth at WR.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s hard to say until you know who goes top 3. If it goes Bijan -> Gibbs -> JSN, 1.04 is probably worth a random likely top 6 2024 1st?
Something roughly equivalent to Charbinet/QJ as those are my 4/5 players in 1 QB.
At that point I’d probably just spend the 1.04 on one of those 2 depending on my needs. I think they’re likely to return a profit at that pick price.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I'm in the same boat. Want to take JSN with one of my top 3, but will probably take another QB instead. Going into draft, I'm thinking Stroud and Richardson, but we'll see.With the top 3 picks, I was planning on going Bijan, QB1 TBD, and WR.
But more and more SF mocks have 3 QBs in the 1st 5, and while that might not be true for the NFL, it likely will be in SF leagues.
as much as I like JSN, taking him 1.03 feels like leaving value on the table.
Trading down to 1.04 won’t work because I just dealt the 1.04 to the dude. lol
So I’m playing with the idea of dealing 1.03 for a WR1.
Fair value for Metcalf in a 12-team PPR?
Or Olave? Both teams need a QB, and have decent depth at WR.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
my needs are QB/RB/WR, so BIjan/QB1 is a no-brainer.I'm in the same boat. Want to take JSN with one of my top 3, but will probably take another QB instead. Going into draft, I'm thinking Stroud and Richardson, but we'll see.With the top 3 picks, I was planning on going Bijan, QB1 TBD, and WR.
But more and more SF mocks have 3 QBs in the 1st 5, and while that might not be true for the NFL, it likely will be in SF leagues.
as much as I like JSN, taking him 1.03 feels like leaving value on the table.
Trading down to 1.04 won’t work because I just dealt the 1.04 to the dude. lol
So I’m playing with the idea of dealing 1.03 for a WR1.
Fair value for Metcalf in a 12-team PPR?
Or Olave? Both teams need a QB, and have decent depth at WR.
Just feels like I might be able to do better than JSN at 1.03 by dealing it to a QB-needy team.
Probably better to wait until I’m on the clock to offer up the 1.03 for a WR. Worst case I overpay for JSN a little but the idea is percolating. Could be a Time Bandits type situation…”I’ve got an idea…forming in my brain”.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Sorry I also assume top 3 are who you mention. 1.04 staring at charb/Addison/??
Thanks for the reply.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In 1 QB yea, some order of Charbs, Addison, QJ
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Value check on Jared Goff and Geno Smith in Superflex?
I'm looking to add a QB3 to my superflex bestball roster and both Goff and Geno are available on the "trade bait" list.
Where would you guys put each of their value for a contending team this year with some extra picks / players to burn?
I'm looking to add a QB3 to my superflex bestball roster and both Goff and Geno are available on the "trade bait" list.
Where would you guys put each of their value for a contending team this year with some extra picks / players to burn?
TartanLion
Footballguy
I owned Geno Smith until earlier this week when I moved him away as part of a bigger package for Josh Allen.
Had some discussions in season when people approached me. Top 8QB very consistent still got a good few years in him by the looks of it, I always argued for a 1st rounder and the approaching party never wanted to pay. Signs a 3 year deal since, but it has a reasonable get out after 1 I think ? He’s a hard one to value people want to get him on the cheap, owners have a decent argument he’s worth more.
You might be looking at them as your QB3, but I agree with TartanLion in that if you’re looking to acquire at a QB3 price, that likely gives no incentive to the owner to trade away a locked-in for 2023 starting QB, with some potential for starting beyond.
As a contender, I’d be fine giving up a late 23 1st and a player or a 24 1st that is likely to be late, especially in a best ball format.
TartanLion
Footballguy
What’s Brissett worth in SuperFlex I wonder ?
Got Allen and Hurts at QB now, so looking to get a bit of extra rookie draft capital to work with, contacted the Howell owner he offered me
3.09 & 4.02
Feels like it might be better to wait until in season as there’s a chance Brissett wins the job. Howell looked quite good end of last year, but he’s very unknown, Brissett might end up with more value to a QB needy team. It could of course go the other way
Got Allen and Hurts at QB now, so looking to get a bit of extra rookie draft capital to work with, contacted the Howell owner he offered me
3.09 & 4.02
Feels like it might be better to wait until in season as there’s a chance Brissett wins the job. Howell looked quite good end of last year, but he’s very unknown, Brissett might end up with more value to a QB needy team. It could of course go the other way
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
I have never played SuperFlex, but I will give an uneducated opinion.
With those two picks I do not think you could replace, or even get close to replace the potential of Brissett IF he were to win that job, with those WRs. However, Brissett is 30 years old, and if he does not win that job, you lose out on two picks that could get you something..... Or nothing.
I think the best course of action is to wait also, as I think Brissett's value could get higher with a good camp, but likely not drop much lower. But it comes down to which you find more valuable to YOUR roster, draft capitol (which is what you are looking for) or an at best for you, Backup #3 QB.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Searching this thread a bit, I see the consensus opinion is down on Jeudy. I have always liked him, going back to when he came out of high school. I am defending champ in my league. I used to own Jeudy, but traded him last offseason with Damien Harris for Kelce. That trade won a title for me. Now I want Jeudy back. The team I traded him to is dead at RB, having only Pacheco, and then damien Harris and a bunch of also rans. I have Barkley, Breece, and Chubb at RB and also Brian Bobinson. I have AJ Brown, Lamb and Higgins at WR, so my WR4 can be boom or bust. I tried offering Kadarius Toney (other guy owns Mahomes and he loves Toney) and Rachaad White for Amon Ra. I knew he would turn it down, but I thought I would offer it.
Is it worth trading Toney and Rachaad White for Jeudy, or should I just keep White and Toney and see if one breaks out? I LOVE Toney and think the potental is huge there but think I may be overvaluing him a bit as well as Rachaad.
Is it worth trading Toney and Rachaad White for Jeudy, or should I just keep White and Toney and see if one breaks out? I LOVE Toney and think the potental is huge there but think I may be overvaluing him a bit as well as Rachaad.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Thanks! I posted the actual trade in the trade thread. I gave DJM and a mid 2nd for Goff and a late 1st. The Goff owner has fields and really wanted the stack with DJM. I took on the Goff longevity risk and he took on the Bears passing volume risk.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I really like Jeudy for next year, think Wilson rebounds and also think Jeudy really started coming alive towards the end of the season. I’ve got an offer out for him that I haven’t heard back from yet, which is simply the 1.10 this year in 1QB
I would think White alone is slightly more valuable than Jeudy right now
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the answer.
If Brisset wins the job his value takes a sizable jump in SF. Any starting QB’s value is exaggerated and this would be no exception.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m more down on Russell Wilson. I think he’s cooked.
I know Payton is the master of short QBs, but Brees >>> 2023 Russ.
I’d be selling all Broncos if I had any on this dead cat bounce of optimism the community seems to be having about Payton’s ability to work magic.
Can’t get blood out of a turnip, and the only way I’d be interested in Jeudy is if he were traded to another team.
Gut feeling. I can’t memory hole what I saw in 2022.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Guy is offering me London for Jameson if I give him a bump in the second round.
But it's a contract league, and Jameson has 5 left while London has 3. That definitely matters.
Am I crazy to not do it? I'm definitely looking to be competitive this year.
But it's a contract league, and Jameson has 5 left while London has 3. That definitely matters.
Am I crazy to not do it? I'm definitely looking to be competitive this year.
rockaction
Footballguy
I like London much more than Jameson Williams, but I don't know exactly how that two years impacts your situation.
But without the contract league, I take that trade.
I'm in a couple contract leagues and 3 years is still a long time - I think this is a definite accept for you, especially if you are in position to be competitive this year, the 6+ games you get from London this year while Jameson is suspended are worth more than the pick bump and the potential cost of retaining him 3 years from now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d do it, even with losing the years.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It definitely makes the choice more difficult, because there are a lot of players i like in that range.
That said, London > Jameson
At this point I fear Jameson may not be that great of a FF player, there’s a real chance the Lions draft a WR now, and as others have observed about this situation, it’s a long time to not spend gelling with teammates/his QB/the system.
So if we’re talking upside, London is the presumed WR1 of the Falcons. Jameson is….? And if we’re talking floor, London’s is safe while Jameson’s is not.
Personally, I would make the move to get out of a potentially toxic asset.
But I could totally understand holding.
Maybe counter for a later 2nd to help offset the 2.03?
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Is that the 2.03 plus giving a bump in the 2nd round, is it a bump up to the 2.03, or is it in lieu of a bump - ie London for Williams and the 2.03?
Assuming a PPR 12-team league, I think I'd do Jameson and the 2.03 for London - if it's that plus a bump, I'd maybe try get something a little later added in, but I'm inclined to agree with @Hot Sauce Guy that I'd probably still make the deal for London, but now it gets very close. And this comes from a Jameson owner in a contract league (though he is still on my DTS).
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
It was Williams and the 2.03 for London. I ended up doing it.
