Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (2 Viewers)

[joey]

Dynasty QB quandary heading into the off-season.

In an FFPC start 1QB league (keep 14 skill position players) most team with a stud QB will only keep one. I like that and did that with Herbert going into last offseason, but this year I have…Herbert, Maye and Nix.

I’ll likely need to trade away one of those QBs and keep 2 of them. Any thoughts on the value of each? I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can (I’d dream about a late 2nd but guessing early 3rd might be the range in a league like this).

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can

That’s what I’d do. I expect LAC to make a splash at WR either via FA, trade, or draft.

They have a coach who knows the importance of OL, and will likely continue to bolster that, and a young but experienced QB with a cannon for an arm, the ability to net you a few RuTD here and there & the skill/sense not to throw a bunch of picks.

I know a lot of folks don’t love the Harbaugh/Roman situation, but Herbert has a very safe floor, and likely an improving ceiling.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

That’s a tough call. I probably move off CMC for a 2nd, but that’s very late.

Maybe push back a little & see if they’ll sweeten the pot to a 2nd + [player, pick]?

That all said, holding CMC seems like a bad gamble at his age & status, plus now more established talent behind him in Guerendo & Mason. Ibanakanda don’t want none, unless you got buns is also lurking.

So selling is a prudent move. I could see a scenario where his value bottoms out a lot more easily than I can see a scenario where he returns to greatness.

 

[Boston]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

 

[Boston]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

Yeah...zero issues moving on from him but it's all about the return...he could still be a legit game-changer next year...as stated above I would not count on it, but I don't think it is too difficult to see it happening as well.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

I am in the Championship this season without him (14 team dynasty - 32nd year of the league - started 2-5 and my roster isn't in need of him ...

Daniels, Mahomes
Barkley, Jacobs, JTaylor, CMC
ARSB, Collins, THill, Deebo, McConkey, JSN, Dell
Kelce, McBride, Jonnu

0 picks in 2025

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

0 picks in 2025

All the more reason to hold out for a better offer once he’s healthy.

 

[Boston]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

I am in the Championship this season without him (14 team dynasty - 32nd year of the league - started 2-5 and my roster isn't in need of him ...

Daniels, Mahomes
Barkley, Jacobs, JTaylor, CMC
ARSB, Collins, THill, Deebo, McConkey, JSN, Dell
Kelce, McBride, Jonnu

0 picks in 2025

With that RB unit/overall roster there is even more reason not to make that deal...you aren't counting on him...the fact you are winning without him should have nothing to do with trading him for that type of return.

 

[joey]

I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can

That’s what I’d do. I expect LAC to make a splash at WR either via FA, trade, or draft.

They have a coach who knows the importance of OL, and will likely continue to bolster that, and a young but experienced QB with a cannon for an arm, the ability to net you a few RuTD here and there & the skill/sense not to throw a bunch of picks.

I know a lot of folks don’t love the Harbaugh/Roman situation, but Herbert has a very safe floor, and likely an improving ceiling.

Thanks man.

It’s interesting that Herbert is actually 3rd out of these 3 QBs in ppg, but agree with his safer floor and great long term prospects.

Any preference between Nix and Maye?

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

I am in the Championship this season without him (14 team dynasty - 32nd year of the league - started 2-5 and my roster isn't in need of him ...

Daniels, Mahomes
Barkley, Jacobs, JTaylor, CMC
ARSB, Collins, THill, Deebo, McConkey, JSN, Dell
Kelce, McBride, Jonnu

0 picks in 2025

With that RB unit/overall roster there is even more reason not to make that deal...you aren't counting on him...the fact you are winning without him should have nothing to do with trading him for that type of return.

Seeing if I can get a 2027 1st and if that's a no then I will sit tight. His roster is older with Conner, Henry, and Montgomery (not sure why he wants another old rb) so may be a high 1st in 2027

 

[BespokeJort]

Kinda depends on the value of the roster spot as well. I imagine even if CMC is never the same player again there will be more opportunities to move him for a late 2nd down the road

 

[Boston]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

I am in the Championship this season without him (14 team dynasty - 32nd year of the league - started 2-5 and my roster isn't in need of him ...

Daniels, Mahomes
Barkley, Jacobs, JTaylor, CMC
ARSB, Collins, THill, Deebo, McConkey, JSN, Dell
Kelce, McBride, Jonnu

0 picks in 2025

With that RB unit/overall roster there is even more reason not to make that deal...you aren't counting on him...the fact you are winning without him should have nothing to do with trading him for that type of return.

Seeing if I can get a 2027 1st and if that's a no then I will sit tight. His roster is older with Conner, Henry, and Montgomery (not sure why he wants another old rb) so may be a high 1st in 2027

A #1 is a real asset...I am someone who cashes out on RBs very quickly...just don't trust them...I'd see what I could get for either Taylor or Jacobs...they are at a point where there value is very high but could start dipping pretty soon...having Cmac is not a bad thing in that scenario as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Any preference between Nix and Maye?

Nix pretty strongly. He looks a lot more poised, and Denver looks more competitive than NE.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

I am in the Championship this season without him (14 team dynasty - 32nd year of the league - started 2-5 and my roster isn't in need of him ...

Daniels, Mahomes
Barkley, Jacobs, JTaylor, CMC
ARSB, Collins, THill, Deebo, McConkey, JSN, Dell
Kelce, McBride, Jonnu

0 picks in 2025

With that RB unit/overall roster there is even more reason not to make that deal...you aren't counting on him...the fact you are winning without him should have nothing to do with trading him for that type of return.

Seeing if I can get a 2027 1st and if that's a no then I will sit tight. His roster is older with Conner, Henry, and Montgomery (not sure why he wants another old rb) so may be a high 1st in 2027

A #1 is a real asset...I am someone who cashes out on RBs very quickly...just don't trust them...I'd see what I could get for either Taylor or Jacobs...they are at a point where there value is very high but could start dipping pretty soon...having Cmac is not a bad thing in that scenario as well.

He accepted the 2027 1st.. i rarely make a pick and trade multiple for a good player. My roster is set to compete for awhile. Trying to use roster spot to grab RB Michael Wilson from AZ as my championship opponent has Conner. I am the lower seed so should beat him to him unless another team grabs him first.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

I absolutely wouldn't move him for a late #2...obviously there are red flags but we are in December and there is a very long time until the 2025 season starts so he has a really long recovery period...I could easily see him having a huge season next year (the key is not building a roster where you are counting on it)...as a Cmac owner you can't let your frustrations lead to a reactionary move that has limited upside...I would rather hold onto him and see what 2025 brings unless I am getting a solid asset back and I definitely don't consider a late #2 being solid with regard to him...I'd rather hold onto him and go down with the ship at this point.

I can see this POV as well. And I agree that there really isn’t a lot of urgency.

The risk of course is that he doesn’t full recover in the off-season, tanking his value. Another risk is the 49ers moving to more of a RBBC to protect CMC next year.

But I also do agree that a late 2nd just isn’t enough, and said as much above.

But it’s a difficult one to evaluate. Holding is probably the sharp move. Personally if I had CMC I’d hold until positive camp reports emerge & sell high on the dead cat bounce. Might net a mid-late 1st for him.

I am in the Championship this season without him (14 team dynasty - 32nd year of the league - started 2-5 and my roster isn't in need of him ...

Daniels, Mahomes
Barkley, Jacobs, JTaylor, CMC
ARSB, Collins, THill, Deebo, McConkey, JSN, Dell
Kelce, McBride, Jonnu

0 picks in 2025

With that RB unit/overall roster there is even more reason not to make that deal...you aren't counting on him...the fact you are winning without him should have nothing to do with trading him for that type of return.

Seeing if I can get a 2027 1st and if that's a no then I will sit tight. His roster is older with Conner, Henry, and Montgomery (not sure why he wants another old rb) so may be a high 1st in 2027

A #1 is a real asset...I am someone who cashes out on RBs very quickly...just don't trust them...I'd see what I could get for either Taylor or Jacobs...they are at a point where there value is very high but could start dipping pretty soon...having Cmac is not a bad thing in that scenario as well.

He accepted the 2027 1st.. i rarely make a pick and trade multiple for a good player. My roster is set to compete for awhile. Trying to use roster spot to grab RB Michael Wilson from AZ as my championship opponent has Conner. I am the lower seed so should beat him to him unless another team grabs him first.

Getting a 1st for CMC seems fair. Would have preferred 2026 to 2027, but it’s a good long-term play, especially since your opponent is getting older with an already old roster.

 

[Boston]

Any preference between Nix and Maye?

Nix pretty strongly. He looks a lot more poised, and Denver looks more competitive than NE.

I love Nix (and have both Maye and Nix) but I would absolutely go with Maye...Maye has incredible tools and IMO has a big time "it" factor...Fantasy-wise he has a chance to be very special...and I'm not sure you can say Nix is more poised...Maye has been a rock in a very bad situation...and he is also only 22 years old and 2.5 years younger than Nix who has played far more football then Maye...again, I am a big time fan of Nix (and being coached by Payton is definitely a big plus vs. Maye) but I think Maye is going to be a fantasy monster even if the Pats aren't as competitive as the Broncos going forward.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Any preference between Nix and Maye?

Nix pretty strongly. He looks a lot more poised, and Denver looks more competitive than NE.

I love Nix (and have both Maye and Nix) but I would absolutely go with Maye...Maye has incredible tools and IMO has a big time "it" factor...Fantasy-wise he has a chance to be very special...and I'm not sure you can sat Nix is more poised...Maye has been a rock in a very bad situation...and he is also only 22 years old and 2.5 years younger than Nix who has played far more football then Maye...again, I am a big time fan of Nix (and being coached by Payton is definitely a big plus vs. Maye) but I think Maye is going to be a fantasy monster even if the Pats aren't as competitive as the Broncos going forward.

Maybe true.

Don’t listen to me - I haven’t watched as much Maye or Nix. Just seemed to me like Nix has been performing better.

But that’s this year, and the Pats are a train wreck. So absolutely possible Maye is the better long term asset.

I’ve seen a few games with Maye & wasn’t that impressed, but Boston’s point is fair that he’s a lot younger and in a much worse situation.

 

[menobrown]

Just seemed to me like Nix has been performing better.

I was in full agreement with Boston but would add that in Maye's 10 starts he's averaging just a tad more points then Nix has in his 15 starts, like about .3 points better so essentially the same.

I think in terms of future growth potential for improvement due to Maye's age, experience level, supporting cast and coaching is where he massively outdistances Nix.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think in terms of future growth potential for improvement due to Maye's age, experience level, supporting cast and coaching is where he massively outdistances Nix.

True, but isn’t that largely predicated on how well NEP drafts and develops him?

I have a difficult time trusting the Pats FO these days, but maybe they’ll surprise.

 

[menobrown]

I think in terms of future growth potential for improvement due to Maye's age, experience level, supporting cast and coaching is where he massively outdistances Nix.

True, but isn’t that largely predicated on how well NEP drafts and develops him?

I have a difficult time trusting the Pats FO these days, but maybe they’ll surprise.

In terms of the supporting cast the floor he's dealing with is so low right now that it would be next to impossible for it not to improve and I do have confidence the Krafts and FO will be pouring their resources into helping him.

 

[JohnnyU]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

Why on God’s green earth would you want Carter? I would consider anyone picking him up to play against me is doing me a favor.

 

[Marauder]

Any preference between Nix and Maye?

Nix pretty strongly. He looks a lot more poised, and Denver looks more competitive than NE.

I love Nix (and have both Maye and Nix) but I would absolutely go with Maye...Maye has incredible tools and IMO has a big time "it" factor...Fantasy-wise he has a chance to be very special...and I'm not sure you can sat Nix is more poised...Maye has been a rock in a very bad situation...and he is also only 22 years old and 2.5 years younger than Nix who has played far more football then Maye...again, I am a big time fan of Nix (and being coached by Payton is definitely a big plus vs. Maye) but I think Maye is going to be a fantasy monster even if the Pats aren't as competitive as the Broncos going forward.

Maybe true.

Don’t listen to me - I haven’t watched as much Maye or Nix. Just seemed to me like Nix has been performing better.

But that’s this year, and the Pats are a train wreck. So absolutely possible Maye is the better long term asset.

I’ve seen a few games with Maye & wasn’t that impressed, but Boston’s point is fair that he’s a lot younger and in a much worse situation.

Nix came into the league much more NFL ready at age 24 with 61 college starts under his belt. They were both players I targeted in SF rookie drafts last year and I have multiple shares of each so I watched a lot of them. I like both players but from what I've seen Maye looks like he has the higher upside. Nix probably has the higher floor though.

 

[Buckna]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

Have to be a 1st to even consider it IMO. He'll only be 29 and his team friendly extension on his contract keeps him there at least next year and possibly longer. Preseason will be the prime time to move him, lots of contenders will want to add and most preseason reporters "stories" are Sunshine and roses that time of year.

 

[Blick]

Unless I’m projected to be one of the top teams in the league next season, I’d think real hard about accepting an early 2nd for him. I’d snap accept a 1st. I don’t think his value raises until mid to late next season after he proves his health.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Unless I’m projected to be one of the top teams in the league next season, I’d think real hard about accepting an early 2nd for him. I’d snap accept a 1st. I don’t think his value raises until mid to late next season after he proves his health.

Agree, and if I’m a top contender I’d easily give an early 2nd for him. But I’d have a hard time sending a 1st for him.

 

[menobrown]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

Have to be a 1st to even consider it IMO. He'll only be 29 and his team friendly extension on his contract keeps him there at least next year and possibly longer. Preseason will be the prime time to move him, lots of contenders will want to add and most preseason reporters "stories" are Sunshine and roses that time of year.

I'd probably not use the word "only" to describe a 29 year old RB but otherwise we are speaking the same language.

I turned down a projected late first and second for him near the deadline, which was week 11 when he had not gone down for the season. That pick will be 11 or 12 and I have no regrets over turning down that trade.

I believe earlier in his career, this two injury shortened seasons in Carolina actually benefitted him later on. Last year was by far the biggest usage season of his career, in both games played and in touches by nearly a 100. As such I believe the time off this year is going to be a benefit to him over this next year or two.

As mentioned the extension was just signed. He's as cerebral as they come with multi-dimensional skill set and it's not like Kyle is ever going to not use him and he'd have to fall off consdierably for that usage to not be effective. Even recall some chatter not long after they traded for him that as he got a little older he might work more out of the slot. I just thought at the time and continue to think that the odds of the next 2 years of CMC will be more of a tilting difference maker to my team then what I might be able to pick then say 11 and 23.

Now my team is not rebuidling, if that was the case I'm not as sure I'd say no, but for sure would have needed that second to consdier it.

 

[Boston]

I think in terms of future growth potential for improvement due to Maye's age, experience level, supporting cast and coaching is where he massively outdistances Nix.

True, but isn’t that largely predicated on how well NEP drafts and develops him?

I have a difficult time trusting the Pats FO these days, but maybe they’ll surprise.

In terms of the supporting cast the floor he's dealing with is so low right now that it would be next to impossible for it not to improve and I do have confidence the Krafts and FO will be pouring their resources into helping him.

Agreed...and I do think you have to separate real and fantasy football with Maye and the Pats...Maye is going to be getting an upgrade in weapons and the line...it would be impossible not to...now whether the Pats can figure it out as far as real football goes is still very much TBD but I have no doubt Maye will be in a far better situation as far as fantasy goes beginning next year.

 

[joey]

Thanks for all the replies @Hot Sauce Guy @Marauder @Boston @menobrown and anyone else I missed

Happy holidays, everyone. This thread is like christmas every day for us dynasty players.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can

That’s what I’d do. I expect LAC to make a splash at WR either via FA, trade, or draft.

They have a coach who knows the importance of OL, and will likely continue to bolster that, and a young but experienced QB with a cannon for an arm, the ability to net you a few RuTD here and there & the skill/sense not to throw a bunch of picks.

I know a lot of folks don’t love the Harbaugh/Roman situation, but Herbert has a very safe floor, and likely an improving ceiling.

Thanks man.

It’s interesting that Herbert is actually 3rd out of these 3 QBs in ppg, but agree with his safer floor and great long term prospects.

Any preference between Nix and Maye?

Maye has proven me wrong so far. I was not at all interested in him after watching pretty much every snap of his college career. That said, I think there's almost always a year 2 let down once DCs get the chance to really do a ton of defensive scheming against their strengths (think Mac Jones and to a way lesser extent CJ Stroud this year). I think this is especially prevalent in QB with less snap experience. In that vein, I expect Nix to have both a higher floor and ceiling for 2025. We'll see about 26 and beyond.

 

[Buckna]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

Have to be a 1st to even consider it IMO. He'll only be 29 and his team friendly extension on his contract keeps him there at least next year and possibly longer. Preseason will be the prime time to move him, lots of contenders will want to add and most preseason reporters "stories" are Sunshine and roses that time of year.

I'd probably not use the word "only" to describe a 29 year old RB but otherwise we are speaking the same language.

I turned down a projected late first and second for him near the deadline, which was week 11 when he had not gone down for the season. That pick will be 11 or 12 and I have no regrets over turning down that trade.

I believe earlier in his career, this two injury shortened seasons in Carolina actually benefitted him later on. Last year was by far the biggest usage season of his career, in both games played and in touches by nearly a 100. As such I believe the time off this year is going to be a benefit to him over this next year or two.

As mentioned the extension was just signed. He's as cerebral as they come with multi-dimensional skill set and it's not like Kyle is ever going to not use him and he'd have to fall off consdierably for that usage to not be effective. Even recall some chatter not long after they traded for him that as he got a little older he might work more out of the slot. I just thought at the time and continue to think that the odds of the next 2 years of CMC will be more of a tilting difference maker to my team then what I might be able to pick then say 11 and 23.

Now my team is not rebuidling, if that was the case I'm not as sure I'd say no, but for sure would have needed that second to consdier it.

I think only is still applicable. This year was the year of older RB'S. We hadn't had many last into year 30 for a long time but I feel confident saying that was due to a dearth of talent in that age range hitting 30 the last few years due to disappointing careers or bad injuries. Jones, Henry, Kamara, Conner, Hunt, etc. all very productive this year. Think about a guy like Todd Gurley who if he hadn't of shredded his knees would have only turned 30 this year too...

 

[rockaction]

I also think the game has evolved back into a game where running the football has become important again (thanks, Vic Fangio). Lots of safety shell coverage like cover two and even cover three and four in addition to having small guys out there in a nickel base meant teams were daring other teams to run rather than beat them deep. And so they’ve adjusted.

This means there is an increased need for RBs and you’re going to see older ones get more run in that instance. I still think it’s a young man’s and young RB’s game, but there just aren’t enough good, young runners to go around (or ones who know the offensive schemes in and out for pass pro), so you’re going to see older ones contributing.

Barkley was generational, remember, and Kamara is something else. Henry is a freak and so is Conner. I wouldn’t bank on too many of those guys coming around too often, so I’d still err on the side of caution when it comes to giving up first-round picks for twenty-nine year olds (unless they’re named McCaffrey).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

Have to be a 1st to even consider it IMO. He'll only be 29 and his team friendly extension on his contract keeps him there at least next year and possibly longer. Preseason will be the prime time to move him, lots of contenders will want to add and most preseason reporters "stories" are Sunshine and roses that time of year.

I'd probably not use the word "only" to describe a 29 year old RB but otherwise we are speaking the same language.

I turned down a projected late first and second for him near the deadline, which was week 11 when he had not gone down for the season. That pick will be 11 or 12 and I have no regrets over turning down that trade.

I believe earlier in his career, this two injury shortened seasons in Carolina actually benefitted him later on. Last year was by far the biggest usage season of his career, in both games played and in touches by nearly a 100. As such I believe the time off this year is going to be a benefit to him over this next year or two.

As mentioned the extension was just signed. He's as cerebral as they come with multi-dimensional skill set and it's not like Kyle is ever going to not use him and he'd have to fall off consdierably for that usage to not be effective. Even recall some chatter not long after they traded for him that as he got a little older he might work more out of the slot. I just thought at the time and continue to think that the odds of the next 2 years of CMC will be more of a tilting difference maker to my team then what I might be able to pick then say 11 and 23.

Now my team is not rebuidling, if that was the case I'm not as sure I'd say no, but for sure would have needed that second to consdier it.

I think only is still applicable. This year was the year of older RB'S. We hadn't had many last into year 30 for a long time but I feel confident saying that was due to a dearth of talent in that age range hitting 30 the last few years due to disappointing careers or bad injuries. Jones, Henry, Kamara, Conner, Hunt, etc. all very productive this year. Think about a guy like Todd Gurley who if he hadn't of shredded his knees would have only turned 30 this year too...

CMC has had more than his share of soft tissue injury though. 29 isn’t that old but 29 with a chronic injury like bilateral Achilles tendinitis sounds a lot older.

I’m a James Conner stan, and paid a handsome price for Jacobs this year - I don’t mind older RB.

But CMC feels like a dude looking for a cliff to fall off of. If I had him anywhere I’d be looking to sell. I’m a 49ers fan, so I hope I’m wrong, but yeah

 

[menobrown]

Value of CMC .. dump him for a late 2nd or hold and see what happens?

This was an offer I got from the team I am facing in the championship. I could trade CMC and try and pick up Michael Carter off waivers.. team I am playing has Conner but I have higher wavier priority.

Have to be a 1st to even consider it IMO. He'll only be 29 and his team friendly extension on his contract keeps him there at least next year and possibly longer. Preseason will be the prime time to move him, lots of contenders will want to add and most preseason reporters "stories" are Sunshine and roses that time of year.

I'd probably not use the word "only" to describe a 29 year old RB but otherwise we are speaking the same language.

I turned down a projected late first and second for him near the deadline, which was week 11 when he had not gone down for the season. That pick will be 11 or 12 and I have no regrets over turning down that trade.

I believe earlier in his career, this two injury shortened seasons in Carolina actually benefitted him later on. Last year was by far the biggest usage season of his career, in both games played and in touches by nearly a 100. As such I believe the time off this year is going to be a benefit to him over this next year or two.

As mentioned the extension was just signed. He's as cerebral as they come with multi-dimensional skill set and it's not like Kyle is ever going to not use him and he'd have to fall off consdierably for that usage to not be effective. Even recall some chatter not long after they traded for him that as he got a little older he might work more out of the slot. I just thought at the time and continue to think that the odds of the next 2 years of CMC will be more of a tilting difference maker to my team then what I might be able to pick then say 11 and 23.

Now my team is not rebuidling, if that was the case I'm not as sure I'd say no, but for sure would have needed that second to consdier it.

I think only is still applicable. This year was the year of older RB'S. We hadn't had many last into year 30 for a long time but I feel confident saying that was due to a dearth of talent in that age range hitting 30 the last few years due to disappointing careers or bad injuries. Jones, Henry, Kamara, Conner, Hunt, etc. all very productive this year. Think about a guy like Todd Gurley who if he hadn't of shredded his knees would have only turned 30 this year too...

A lot of RB's peter out early and it's not due to talent. Elliot was washed at like 25. There have been studies done on this showing a noticeable decline at 27. I'm not in a rush to thing on year with a few good performances changed that.

Hunt seemed pretty average to me. Some decent fantasy games but I'm not holding him up as someone I hope CMC looks like in his age 29 season.

Henry is an outlier in every way. Size, injury history, etc.

Jones is still good, he's also like RB19 in PPG. That's just ok.

But my main point is that other then Henry all those RB's played this year at 29. We don't know if any of them will be any good next year. So again it's hard for me say CMC is "only" 29. That sounds to me like he's saying he's not old or his age is not a negative and I don't see it that way.

 

[The Future Champs]

I’d love to get a 2027 1st for CMC, but then my league rules mandate that both managers pay full league dues through to 2027 to complete the trade, which gives the league stability and longevity.

 

[JohnnyU]

I’d love to get a 2027 1st for CMC, but then my league rules mandate that both managers pay full league dues through to 2027 to complete the trade, which gives the league stability and longevity.

Why both and not just the team trading the pick? Why should a team trading an aging asset have to do that. Weird.

 

[smbkrypt24]

I’d love to get a 2027 1st for CMC, but then my league rules mandate that both managers pay full league dues through to 2027 to complete the trade, which gives the league stability and longevity.

Why both and not just the team trading the pick? Why should a team trading an aging asset have to do that. Weird.

I have argued the same in leagues I have both sent and received future draft picks.

 

[The Future Champs]

L

I’d love to get a 2027 1st for CMC, but then my league rules mandate that both managers pay full league dues through to 2027 to complete the trade, which gives the league stability and longevity.

Why both and not just the team trading the pick? Why should a team trading an aging asset have to do that. Weird.

I have argued the same in leagues I have both sent and received future draft picks.

We wanted to add stability and longevity to the league, and thought this would be one way to do that.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I’d love to get a 2027 1st for CMC, but then my league rules mandate that both managers pay full league dues through to 2027 to complete the trade, which gives the league stability and longevity.

Why both and not just the team trading the pick? Why should a team trading an aging asset have to do that. Weird.

I have argued the same in leagues I have both sent and received future draft picks.

We wanted to add stability and longevity to the league, and thought this would be one way to do that.

Adding stability would be encouraging these kind of trades by only requiring the team trading away the pick to pay ahead, locking that owner in without making the boundaries too hefty such that the trades never happen.

There's no reason to force the team trading FOR the pick to pay ahead. By trading for picks they're already dedicating themselves to the future. The whole thing paying early is meant to protect/stabilize is against teams trading away their future to compete for one year and then just bouncing. It wouldn't make sense for someone to trade for future picks and then dip out when they finally get to use those future picks.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

Dynasty QB quandary heading into the off-season.

In an FFPC start 1QB league (keep 14 skill position players) most team with a stud QB will only keep one. I like that and did that with Herbert going into last offseason, but this year I have…Herbert, Maye and Nix.

I’ll likely need to trade away one of those QBs and keep 2 of them. Any thoughts on the value of each? I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can (I’d dream about a late 2nd but guessing early 3rd might be the range in a league like this).

As a dynasty FFPC player myself, the QB in those leagues have little value. So while I agree with your strategy, you just won’t get much for those QB’s, if anything.

 

[joey]

Dynasty QB quandary heading into the off-season.

In an FFPC start 1QB league (keep 14 skill position players) most team with a stud QB will only keep one. I like that and did that with Herbert going into last offseason, but this year I have…Herbert, Maye and Nix.

I’ll likely need to trade away one of those QBs and keep 2 of them. Any thoughts on the value of each? I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can (I’d dream about a late 2nd but guessing early 3rd might be the range in a league like this).

As a dynasty FFPC player myself, the QB in those leagues have little value. So while I agree with your strategy, you just won’t get much for those QB’s, if anything.

Yeah, agreed.

That’s why I’m hoping for a high 3rd for one of Maye or Nix. I guess if someone gives me something better for Herbert, I could just keep Nix and Maye instead, it I’m not holding my breathe since, as you say, FFPC 1QB value is super low.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Dynasty QB quandary heading into the off-season.

In an FFPC start 1QB league (keep 14 skill position players) most team with a stud QB will only keep one. I like that and did that with Herbert going into last offseason, but this year I have…Herbert, Maye and Nix.

I’ll likely need to trade away one of those QBs and keep 2 of them. Any thoughts on the value of each? I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can (I’d dream about a late 2nd but guessing early 3rd might be the range in a league like this).

As a dynasty FFPC player myself, the QB in those leagues have little value. So while I agree with your strategy, you just won’t get much for those QB’s, if anything.

Yeah, agreed.

That’s why I’m hoping for a high 3rd for one of Maye or Nix. I guess if someone gives me something better for Herbert, I could just keep Nix and Maye instead, it I’m not holding my breathe since, as you say, FFPC 1QB value is super low.

QBs are all about upside in FFPC, as it's pretty easy to find middle of the road performance on the waiver wire at any time.

I would keep whichever of the three you think have the highest upside (for me that would probably be Nix) and either take whatever you can get for the others (3rd is probably a best case scenario, may even be a 4th) or just let them hit the FA pool if you want to re-draft them in the 3rd/4th round. If you want to trade them instead of just posting on the message board take a look at if any teams actually need a QB (probably will be 1 or 2 at most in FFPC) and see if you can sell to them before anyone else does.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

L

I’d love to get a 2027 1st for CMC, but then my league rules mandate that both managers pay full league dues through to 2027 to complete the trade, which gives the league stability and longevity.

Why both and not just the team trading the pick? Why should a team trading an aging asset have to do that. Weird.

I have argued the same in leagues I have both sent and received future draft picks.

We wanted to add stability and longevity to the league, and thought this would be one way to do that.

In my league it’s the opposite. The team losing the pick has to pay. The team getting the pick does not.

The logic goes that if someone’s gonna move their future picks and bounce, the replacement team having to rebuild will have x# of seasons free.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dynasty QB quandary heading into the off-season.

In an FFPC start 1QB league (keep 14 skill position players) most team with a stud QB will only keep one. I like that and did that with Herbert going into last offseason, but this year I have…Herbert, Maye and Nix.

I’ll likely need to trade away one of those QBs and keep 2 of them. Any thoughts on the value of each? I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can (I’d dream about a late 2nd but guessing early 3rd might be the range in a league like this).

As a dynasty FFPC player myself, the QB in those leagues have little value. So while I agree with your strategy, you just won’t get much for those QB’s, if anything.

Yeah, agreed.

That’s why I’m hoping for a high 3rd for one of Maye or Nix. I guess if someone gives me something better for Herbert, I could just keep Nix and Maye instead, it I’m not holding my breathe since, as you say, FFPC 1QB value is super low.

1 QB is the key that some seem to be missing here.

None of these 3 QBs are super valuable in this format. I argued for Herbert because he has a high floor, and a TBD ceiling. He’s a known commodity - the others have shown flashes, but no one really knows how they’ll pan out. Plus there are factors outside of their control like their teams being successful & hitting on picks at OL & receiver.

1 QB vs SF changes so much.

 

[joey]

Dynasty QB quandary heading into the off-season.

In an FFPC start 1QB league (keep 14 skill position players) most team with a stud QB will only keep one. I like that and did that with Herbert going into last offseason, but this year I have…Herbert, Maye and Nix.

I’ll likely need to trade away one of those QBs and keep 2 of them. Any thoughts on the value of each? I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can (I’d dream about a late 2nd but guessing early 3rd might be the range in a league like this).

As a dynasty FFPC player myself, the QB in those leagues have little value. So while I agree with your strategy, you just won’t get much for those QB’s, if anything.

Yeah, agreed.

That’s why I’m hoping for a high 3rd for one of Maye or Nix. I guess if someone gives me something better for Herbert, I could just keep Nix and Maye instead, it I’m not holding my breathe since, as you say, FFPC 1QB value is super low.

1 QB is the key that some seem to be missing here.

None of these 3 QBs are super valuable in this format. I argued for Herbert because he has a high floor, and a TBD ceiling. He’s a known commodity - the others have shown flashes, but no one really knows how they’ll pan out. Plus there are factors outside of their control like their teams being successful & hitting on picks at OL & receiver.

1 QB vs SF changes so much.

Maybe I should’ve bolded the 1QB part but add to that FFPC’s keeper format, where you only keep 14 skill position players, and you find if you keep more than 1QB, those young WRs, RBs and TEs you just drafted need to be thrown back in the draft pile again. I’ve only ever kept 2 QBs in this format 2 or 3 times over a decade of playing at FFPC.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dynasty QB quandary heading into the off-season.

In an FFPC start 1QB league (keep 14 skill position players) most team with a stud QB will only keep one. I like that and did that with Herbert going into last offseason, but this year I have…Herbert, Maye and Nix.

I’ll likely need to trade away one of those QBs and keep 2 of them. Any thoughts on the value of each? I’m leaning towards keeping Herbert and then shopping both Maye and Nix and take the best deal I can (I’d dream about a late 2nd but guessing early 3rd might be the range in a league like this).

As a dynasty FFPC player myself, the QB in those leagues have little value. So while I agree with your strategy, you just won’t get much for those QB’s, if anything.

Yeah, agreed.

That’s why I’m hoping for a high 3rd for one of Maye or Nix. I guess if someone gives me something better for Herbert, I could just keep Nix and Maye instead, it I’m not holding my breathe since, as you say, FFPC 1QB value is super low.

1 QB is the key that some seem to be missing here.

None of these 3 QBs are super valuable in this format. I argued for Herbert because he has a high floor, and a TBD ceiling. He’s a known commodity - the others have shown flashes, but no one really knows how they’ll pan out. Plus there are factors outside of their control like their teams being successful & hitting on picks at OL & receiver.

1 QB vs SF changes so much.

Maybe I should’ve bolded the 1QB part but add to that FFPC’s keeper format, where you only keep 14 skill position players, and you find if you keep more than 1QB, those young WRs, RBs and TEs you just drafted need to be thrown back in the draft pile again. I’ve only ever kept 2 QBs in this format 2 or 3 times over a decade of playing at FFPC.

Unless it’s a 14-16 team league, there are always QBs to pick up off the FA list during the season, at least in my experience.

Heck, even in a 12-team SF I’ve managed to get productive starts out of waiver adds of Mason Rudolph this year.

 

[joey]

Khalil Herbert showing us what we already knew….give him a steady workload and he produces. I used to hold him in multiple leagues and now hold him in none.

 

[SayWhat?]

Khalil Herbert showing us what we already knew….give him a steady workload and he produces. I used to hold him in multiple leagues and now hold him in none.

Produces? Hmmm. I guess 19 for 67 rushing and 7 for 14 receiving is producing, it’s just not producing much.

 

[joey]

Khalil Herbert showing us what we already knew….give him a steady workload and he produces. I used to hold him in multiple leagues and now hold him in none.

Produces? Hmmm. I guess 19 for 67 rushing and 7 for 14 receiving is producing, it’s just not producing much.

Oh well. He looked like he was rolling when I posted. Back to the waiver wire.