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I have a few other backups who are an injury from relevance (Zack Wilson, Trubisky, Rudolph) but I kinda agree.
ARich = hold at that price.
I'm high on Odunze this season. He did well as a rookie in an absolute trainwreck of an offense...something like 55/750/3. I see him taking on the Jameson role in Ben Johnson's offense, but with better hands. His fantasy value is around that mid to late 1st rounder per the calcs I've seen, but I think he's a value at that price. If he were coming out as a rookie in the 2025 draft, I'd expect he'd be the #1 WR taken off the board.
I think he would be the WR1 in this class. Given that I'm a firm believer in talent and tend to be patient, I would want the 1.03 or 1.04.
What was the offer if you don’t mind me asking?
Eh, it’s not really relevant. It’s IDP, and there was a RB & LB involved for a team specifically saying those are 2 needs.
Thanks for the feedback. That helps. My trade was my startup 7 + my 2026 2nd for his 2026 1st and his startup 12th, so it sounds like I was in the range of okay value.
I don't think your offer was close, unless it's superflex
I was about to say the same - plus Nabers is getting tiered up with Chase, JJ, & Lamb. FBG has him as the WR1 for dynasty, for example.
Yikes. Of course it was superflex
The point is that dropping from Lamar (maybe the 3rd pick in a start up) to Lawrence is the bigger drop off. Which is why the trade made sense and why the comment didn't.
What you were offered.
I said no since I think he might be worth more than that. I understand there's age/injury concerns but it's still CMC.
Probably not much more than that, to be honest. You may can try and get a little more-probably looking at a 3rd at best. If you are not contending and you can get anything close to a 1st and a 2nd, I’d sell.
makes sense
I would absolutely sell CMC for a single first, or a pair of 2nds if I had him.
It’s not a loan - you don’t get him back next year. It’s a sale. Anything above average value is more like a commission on the sale.
Now that i know it’s SF, that point doesn’t elude me. Until now I didn’t know that.
He's still CMC but you can't ignore the age/injury concerns. If I owned him in a league where I'm not a contender, I would certainly be shopping him around. Next year, he'll be worth a lot less.
I see 2 outcomes:
Just piling on to say: this.
Might be able to get more in August when teams are hoping to compete and not clutching their 1sts thinking every rookie is the next CMC. But I wouldn't expect much more, I've posted here before but I have tried shopping CMC in multiple leagues where I acquired him cheap last year and no one is interested, much less giving a 1st.
I agree with every bit of what Ramblin is saying here. On the other side of the coin, if I am set up to win NOW, CMC is the exact player I am trying to get on the cheap with the hope he has one great season left in the tank.
His value will go up as the season gets closer. His value is worth more than a 1st when he's scoring 20+ pts a game. Just right now there is uncertainty.
It is really league dependent. The CMC owner wouldn't trade him for a first in our league. It would probably take a first and a second at least to get the needle to move even a bit. He breaks fantasy when he plays.
I agree if you are not a contender you need to move him. I'd see about adding on a future 2nd if possible, like a 2027 second or something like that. Or a back-up RB or a good back-up QB that you could flip in the future for a 2nd if the QB ended up starting. Squeeze that value.
It is a good point that CMC is worth more than 1.10-1.12 if this guy is contending. If CMC is healthy and plays all year that guys pick is likely 1.11-1.12.
I do too - because I said it 3 posts before him.
I’m the kind of FF manager who frequently says “F them picks”. But at the same time, I also recognize the future value I’m giving up as the rest of my team ages. So when spending future 1sts I want to make sure it’s for players that have some shelf life and extend my competitive window.
while true, “if” is doing some serious lifting in that sentence.
I would say now or in the next year for sure if you want to get maximum value, otherwise soon your trade partners will say but he's almost 30....blah blah blah
No time soon I would say. You’re sitting pretty in a 12-team SF with those three guys, I’d be content there.
Having three good starters in SF is a nice advantage, what position would you be seeking to improve (or are you looking for picks)? Depth can be tempting to unload, but it can backfire as well.
Do you need a key piece or upgrade somewhere to feel you can compete? If not, why not just ride Jackson for the next half decade?
My WR corps is pretty old. I'm sitting with D Smith, Sutton, Metcalf, Ridley, Palmer, and Legette. I grabbed Kyle Williams in the rookie draft.
The trading bug can be dangerous, I have had it before for sure. I don’t play SF but if you can add some youth/talent to your receiving core I would consider. Lamar is a top 3 player in that format, so I would make sure you are getting top value before considering.
Win now you keep him as long as you are in win now mode. He's better fantasy wise than both Nix and Purdy. You also need 3 QBs to legit contend in a SF, especially to get through bye weeks and injuries and maybe the odd bad match-up for Nix/Purdy.
I don't think it is always appropriate to counter but I always send a response either why I rejected the trade (not going to trade said player) or that I believe his value is higher than what was offered and/or what they were sending was not of interest. I always keep dialogue open and that I might take some time to put together a counter if I feel that something could be done.
