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Eagles vs GB Week 1 (1 Viewer)

KillerToad

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This game is gonna be a shootout. On one side you have one of the favorites to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl this year, a dynamic offense who will put up points every week against anyone they face. On the other, you have a 9-7 team at best starting a new QB and a new RB and a new mish mash offensive line to boot. Should be a walk over right? Wrong. Now hear me out.

I, like everyone else in the country, marked this game down as an easy loss for the Eagles as soon as the schedule came out. I rolled my eyes and said, oh man how could they throw Kolb into the fire like that so early in the season those heartless schedule makers. But then I saw the official Vegas line...

Eagles +3

What??!! Eagles plus 3? That must be a typo. How the hell can they only give the Eagles 3 points against this juggernaut of a team? The line should be 6 or 7 points at least! Then I looked more closely at this week's game.

The Pack led the league in INT's last year, but were 28th in passing TDs allowed. They were 5th against the run. The Pack's Dbacks are banged up right now, CBs Al Harris and B. Underwood are out, C. Woodson is fighting turf toe and didn't practice today but will play on Sunday hurt. With Bell and Blackmon both on IR for the season, I only see 3 CBs not listed on the injured report for GB this week. Tell me I'm reaching but that info combined with a tough run defense along with a rookie Shields starting at CB across from Woodson, I gotta believe Reid will throw and throw often... with success. Well spank me and call me slappy, that's playing exactly to his strength!

Now the Packers offense is just plain scary good. No matter how improved the Eagles D has looked this preseason, the Packers will score a whole hell of a lot of points. But unless I'm willing to believe that Vegas is tossing out an easy 1st week money winner to it's bettors, then the Eagles will stay within 3 points of this GB onslaught. I tend to trust Vegas is out to win money not give it away. This line tells me not to bet this game. #### it, if there's a week to risk money it's Week 1. I'll take the Birds +3. In fact... I say they win outright!

Toad's Predictions: Eagles 30 - Packers 27

Kevin Kolb: 275 Yards Passing, 2 TDs, 2 INTs

LeSean McCoy: 75 Total Yards, 1 TD

DeSean Jackson: 80 Receiving Yards, 1 TD

Jeremy Maclin: 70 Yards Receiving

Jason Avant: 40 Yard Receiving

Brent Celek: 60 Yards Receiving, 1 TD

Good Luck fellas!!

Hey~! How about some more team reports? I like reading them more than writing them.

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Little correction...Shields is the starting nickel cb...not the guy starting across from Woodson.

On Woodson's toe...same Issue he has been dealing with for a year or so. I don't think it will be a problem.

Should be a fun game to watch though.

 
Little correction...Shields is the starting nickel cb...not the guy starting across from Woodson.On Woodson's toe...same Issue he has been dealing with for a year or so. I don't think it will be a problem.Should be a fun game to watch though.
Well since I've got your attention, what do you see Finley doing this week vs the Eagles? I'm hoping for a good week from him.
 
This game is gonna be a shootout. On one side you have one of the favorites to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl this year, a dynamic offense who will put up points every week against anyone they face. On the other, you have a 9-7 team at best starting a new QB and a new RB and a new mish mash offensive line to boot. Should be a walk over right? Wrong. Now hear me out.

I, like everyone else in the country, marked this game down as an easy loss for the Eagles as soon as the schedule came out. I rolled my eyes and said, oh man how could they throw Kolb into the fire like that so early in the season those heartless schedule makers. But then I saw the official Vegas line...

Eagles +3

What??!! Eagles plus 3? That must be a typo. How the hell can they only give the Eagles 3 points against this juggernaut of a team? The line should be 6 or 7 points at least! Then I looked more closely at this week's game.

The Pack led the league in INT's last year, but were 28th in passing TDs allowed. They were 5th against the run. The Pack's Dbacks are banged up right now, CBs Al Harris and B. Underwood are out, C. Woodson is fighting turf toe and didn't practice today but will play on Sunday hurt. With Bell and Blackmon both on IR for the season, I only see 3 CBs not listed on the injured report for GB this week. Tell me I'm reaching but that info combined with a tough run defense along with a rookie Shields starting at CB across from Woodson, I gotta believe Reid will throw and throw often... with success. Well spank me and call me slappy, that's playing exactly to his strength!

Now the Packers offense is just plain scary good. No matter how improved the Eagles D has looked this preseason, the Packers will score a whole hell of a lot of points. But unless I'm willing to believe that Vegas is tossing out an easy 1st week money winner to it's bettors, then the Eagles will stay within 3 points of this GB onslaught. I tend to trust Vegas is out to win money not give it away. This line tells me not to bet this game. #### it, if there's a week to risk money it's Week 1. I'll take the Birds +3. In fact... I say they win outright!

Toad's Predictions: Eagles 30 - Packers 27

Kevin Kolb: 275 Yards Passing, 2 TDs, 2 INTs

LeSean McCoy: 75 Total Yards, 1 TD

DeSean Jackson: 80 Receiving Yards, 1 TD

Jeremy Maclin: 70 Yards Receiving

Jason Avant: 40 Yard Receiving

Brent Celek: 60 Yards Receiving, 1 TD

Good Luck fellas!!

Hey~! How about some more team reports? I like reading them more than writing them.

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Just my opinion, the Packers are team that has reached its window of opportunity. They have to win the Super Bowl now or wonder what if. The Eagles have gone through a complete overhaul. McNabb, Westbrook, etc. They have a very young team that needs to learn how to win. This week, Packers going away.

 
Exactly the logical thing to think. So why only the 3 point line? That's sorta the basis of my whole argument.
This will sound lame but, Week 1. I felt that the Saints should have rated more than 5 1/2 points but they didn't. If you are risking your paycheck do not quote me. If you are asking an opinion talk to me.
 
Exactly the logical thing to think. So why only the 3 point line? That's sorta the basis of my whole argument.
This will sound lame but, Week 1. I felt that the Saints should have rated more than 5 1/2 points but they didn't. If you are risking your paycheck do not quote me. If you are asking an opinion talk to me.
Did you read my original post from the start? I don't think you did or you'd get what I'm saying. I said basically what you are saying now word for word.
 
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I have the Eagles DST, and am very nervous about starting them. But FBG's have them highly rated this week. They also have GB offensive players highly rated. So what gives?

Is the defense start worthy this week?

 
Was thinking on this contest today. I think the Eagles must go with a Big Nickel defense, putting 3 safeties on the field along with Hobbs and Asante Samuel. That allows them to either roll down a safety into the box if the Pack go 21 personnel (2 RB, 1 TE) to support against the run, or to double Finley along with LB Akeem Jordan in a man-under style Cover 3 look.

I think Finley must get double coverage with corners on Driver and Jennings with safeties deep. I think Philly can do it but it'll be a challenge. After Mikell and Nate Allen it starts getting very thin in the secondary. Coleman will be asked to do quite a bit.

 
I have the Eagles DST, and am very nervous about starting them. But FBG's have them highly rated this week. They also have GB offensive players highly rated. So what gives?Is the defense start worthy this week?
This defense will end the year in the Top 5 if not the Top 3. They were the only thing on this team that looked absolutely fantastic in the preseason, period. The offense looked anemic. The defense has new life with MLB Bradley back in the fold and rookies DE Graham and FS Allen looking like absolute studs starting for the team. They will get you lots of sacks and INTs but they will give up their share of points because of their big risk / reward strat they play. The one thing that may hurt if your league counts STs along with Def like mine does, DeSean Jackson will probably come off of the return team this year so those TDs will be out of the mix. But yes, Start the Eagles D every week, especially if you get 2 points for sack and INT
 
Just my opinion, the Packers are team that has reached its window of opportunity. They have to win the Super Bowl now or wonder what if. The Eagles have gone through a complete overhaul. McNabb, Westbrook, etc. They have a very young team that needs to learn how to win. This week, Packers going away.
Now? They have what looks like a young stud qb...are one of the youngest tram in the league again. They appear give built for a long run...not just a win this year or rebuild type team. Not sure where you get that.To answer toad on Finley...on paper, its hard to imagine teams being able to match with him. The question Willie does he het some big plays before a team focuses on him like the saints dis with Shiancoe last night. Can he fight thru it or will it just set up the wrs for big plays.
 
Was thinking on this contest today. I think the Eagles must go with a Big Nickel defense, putting 3 safeties on the field along with Hobbs and Asante Samuel. That allows them to either roll down a safety into the box if the Pack go 21 personnel (2 RB, 1 TE) to support against the run, or to double Finley along with LB Akeem Jordan in a man-under style Cover 3 look.I think Finley must get double coverage with corners on Driver and Jennings with safeties deep. I think Philly can do it but it'll be a challenge. After Mikell and Nate Allen it starts getting very thin in the secondary. Coleman will be asked to do quite a bit.
The thing is the Eagles never double a TE, ever. As long as Andy has been here, he's been satisfied with doubling up the WRs and allowing the TE to eviscerate them underneath with a LB or SS coverage. I don't see that changing any time soon. He seems fine with giving up the consistent 6 - 8 yard gain by a TE over and over again to defend against the deep ball. Look up the stats over the years, it's crazy how good TEs do against this team under Reid, even in the red zone.
 
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I'm very surprised the Eagles only get 3. In the end, I see Kolb with 1 TD, 2 Int's and the Eagles losing by two touchdowns. GB has too many weapons, and I don't think Kolb plays well enough to keep catching up.

 
The Eagles generally get their lunch handed to them against elite QBs. I think Rodgers will do to them what P. Manning always does--blow them out.

Hey, I hope they can win but realistically I don't see how.

Week one lines are the hardest for odds makers and I believe the Packers have never beaten Philly at home (in season openers).

Ray Diddenger pointed that out and said that streak would come to an end.

 
Ray Diddenger pointed that out and said that streak would come to an end.
If that's true then I stand corrected. Ray is a football genius. Did he really say that? If he did then a scrub like me has no chance, that dude is gold in his predictions and insight. One of my favorite reporters of all time.
 
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C'mon, who's kidding who here?

The Eagles will be down by 17 by the 4th quarter and looking for a place to hide at the Linc.

 
Was thinking on this contest today. I think the Eagles must go with a Big Nickel defense, putting 3 safeties on the field along with Hobbs and Asante Samuel. That allows them to either roll down a safety into the box if the Pack go 21 personnel (2 RB, 1 TE) to support against the run, or to double Finley along with LB Akeem Jordan in a man-under style Cover 3 look.I think Finley must get double coverage with corners on Driver and Jennings with safeties deep. I think Philly can do it but it'll be a challenge. After Mikell and Nate Allen it starts getting very thin in the secondary. Coleman will be asked to do quite a bit.
The thing is the Eagles never double a TE, ever. As long as Andy has been here, he's been satisfied with doubling up the WRs and allowing the TE to eviscerate them underneath with a LB or SS coverage. I don't see that changing any time soon. He seems fine with giving up the consistent 6 - 8 yard gain by a TE over and over again to defend against the deep ball. Look up the stats over the years, it's crazy how good TEs do against this team under Reid, even in the red zone.
yes...i see a big week by finley this week.
 
Exactly the logical thing to think. So why only the 3 point line? That's sorta the basis of my whole argument.
If you don't understand how the line is set, and moves during the week, stay away from the bookies.Betting lines, once set, move strictly based upon how much money is being placed on the game. The line is adjusted in order to get an equal amount of money placed each way - then the bookie makes his money on the vig.The betting line has nothing to do with what the bookie thinks the score will be or who will win - it's simply there to get even money both ways. The line is based on what the bettors do, not what the bookie thinks.
 
Exactly the logical thing to think. So why only the 3 point line? That's sorta the basis of my whole argument.
If you don't understand how the line is set, and moves during the week, stay away from the bookies.Betting lines, once set, move strictly based upon how much money is being placed on the game. The line is adjusted in order to get an equal amount of money placed each way - then the bookie makes his money on the vig.The betting line has nothing to do with what the bookie thinks the score will be or who will win - it's simply there to get even money both ways. The line is based on what the bettors do, not what the bookie thinks.
You make it sound like the original betting line is just some number that is pulled out of a hat. It has some research basis. KillerToad is simply saying that the original line "seems" strong in one teams favor. Based on your argument, the bookie should make the line even in order to draw bets for both sides. That is not what has happened here. I would imagine that an extremely large percentage of the original bets on this line where placed in one direction, thus, putting the bookie in a bad spot. He's either gonna win big or loss his ###...
 
Exactly the logical thing to think. So why only the 3 point line? That's sorta the basis of my whole argument.
If you don't understand how the line is set, and moves during the week, stay away from the bookies.Betting lines, once set, move strictly based upon how much money is being placed on the game. The line is adjusted in order to get an equal amount of money placed each way - then the bookie makes his money on the vig.The betting line has nothing to do with what the bookie thinks the score will be or who will win - it's simply there to get even money both ways. The line is based on what the bettors do, not what the bookie thinks.
Actually toolshed the lines that I'm looking at started at 1.5 and moved to 3 after a huge mark bet in the past several weeks. I'm not sure how an "expert" like yourself would analyze that move, but I still say it's way too low. I guess we'll all see next Monday vegas Vic
 
I would imagine this is a line that would move a lot throughout the week and betters would be playing the middle.

 
I have the Eagles DST, but I am sitting them this first week. From what I saw, nobody's first team offense was sharper in the preseason than the Pack. I expect them to roll -- just too many weapons. I picked up the Giants against the Panthers for week 1.

I have the Eagles DST, and am very nervous about starting them. But FBG's have them highly rated this week. They also have GB offensive players highly rated. So what gives?Is the defense start worthy this week?
 
I'm very surprised the Eagles only get 3. In the end, I see Kolb with 1 TD, 2 Int's and the Eagles losing by two touchdowns. GB has too many weapons, and I don't think Kolb plays well enough to keep catching up.
getting 3 in Vegas week one isn't that shocking. Vegas takes fairly bland odds week 1. With that being said I am interested in seeing how Kolb gels with Maclin/jackson ... I think it will be a high scoring affair which I definitely like the packers in that scenario (opposed to a QB making his first real set of NFL starts.
 
This game is gonna be a shootout. On one side you have one of the favorites to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl this year, a dynamic offense who will put up points every week against anyone they face. On the other, you have a 9-7 team at best starting a new QB and a new RB and a new mish mash offensive line to boot. Should be a walk over right? Wrong. Now hear me out.

I, like everyone else in the country, marked this game down as an easy loss for the Eagles as soon as the schedule came out. I rolled my eyes and said, oh man how could they throw Kolb into the fire like that so early in the season those heartless schedule makers. But then I saw the official Vegas line...

Eagles +3

What??!! Eagles plus 3? That must be a typo. How the hell can they only give the Eagles 3 points against this juggernaut of a team? The line should be 6 or 7 points at least! Then I looked more closely at this week's game.

The Pack led the league in INT's last year, but were 28th in passing TDs allowed. They were 5th against the run. The Pack's Dbacks are banged up right now, CBs Al Harris and B. Underwood are out, C. Woodson is fighting turf toe and didn't practice today but will play on Sunday hurt. With Bell and Blackmon both on IR for the season, I only see 3 CBs not listed on the injured report for GB this week. Tell me I'm reaching but that info combined with a tough run defense along with a rookie Shields starting at CB across from Woodson, I gotta believe Reid will throw and throw often... with success. Well spank me and call me slappy, that's playing exactly to his strength!

Now the Packers offense is just plain scary good. No matter how improved the Eagles D has looked this preseason, the Packers will score a whole hell of a lot of points. But unless I'm willing to believe that Vegas is tossing out an easy 1st week money winner to it's bettors, then the Eagles will stay within 3 points of this GB onslaught. I tend to trust Vegas is out to win money not give it away. This line tells me not to bet this game. #### it, if there's a week to risk money it's Week 1. I'll take the Birds +3. In fact... I say they win outright!

Toad's Predictions: Eagles 30 - Packers 27

Kevin Kolb: 275 Yards Passing, 2 TDs, 2 INTs

LeSean McCoy: 75 Total Yards, 1 TD

DeSean Jackson: 80 Receiving Yards, 1 TD

Jeremy Maclin: 70 Yards Receiving

Jason Avant: 40 Yard Receiving

Brent Celek: 60 Yards Receiving, 1 TD

Good Luck fellas!!

Hey~! How about some more team reports? I like reading them more than writing them.

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you really think the eagles are gonna win 30-27?couldnt be a little homer optimism?

i'm going with GB winning by at least a TD.

 
I see a lot of Cowboys fans saying I'm wrong. I have yet to see one write up a full week 1 fantasy matchup vs the Skins. How about you put your energy elsewhere, I mean create something worthy instead of coming out of the woodwork every 10 years when you start to do well again.

 
GB will win by two TD'sAlso watch the Bengals beat NE out-right.
You do realize that posts like this will be brought back for ridicule next week.
haha couldn't this post be just as easily brought back for ridicule?
You bet your Driver underoos it can, and will be. I'll report on here myself how good or bad I did. It's these hit and run marys that I'm calling out.
well as long as you can take the heat :bowtie:personally i like the packers to cover as I think they will win by a TD. I just feel Kolb will make mistakes and Phili will not get enough pressure on Rodgers.
 
Was thinking on this contest today. I think the Eagles must go with a Big Nickel defense, putting 3 safeties on the field along with Hobbs and Asante Samuel. That allows them to either roll down a safety into the box if the Pack go 21 personnel (2 RB, 1 TE) to support against the run, or to double Finley along with LB Akeem Jordan in a man-under style Cover 3 look.I think Finley must get double coverage with corners on Driver and Jennings with safeties deep. I think Philly can do it but it'll be a challenge. After Mikell and Nate Allen it starts getting very thin in the secondary. Coleman will be asked to do quite a bit.
The thing is the Eagles never double a TE, ever. As long as Andy has been here, he's been satisfied with doubling up the WRs and allowing the TE to eviscerate them underneath with a LB or SS coverage. I don't see that changing any time soon. He seems fine with giving up the consistent 6 - 8 yard gain by a TE over and over again to defend against the deep ball. Look up the stats over the years, it's crazy how good TEs do against this team under Reid, even in the red zone.
This is correct.The Eagles gave up more yards and more catches (and 3rd most TD's) to TE's than any other team last year.
 
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I've been seeing reports that the Philly line has been putting in overtime trying to get on the same page and it was often said that McCoy looked more up to speed then anyone on the offense. That being said, what are your feelings about this unit? Does the line have the intangibles to get the job done or do you think they'll always be overmatched? I see you set the bar fairly low with only 75 total yards for McCoy this week, but yet you feel the team will find some sort of consistency to be able to keep up with the Pack..Care to elaborate a bit on this?

I'm with you on wishing their was a Dallas/Washington game write up from both sides of the isle.

It's not too hard to fathom the Bengals taking the Pats to task with the porous N.E. D.

 
I'm a lifelong Packer fan and degenerate small-time gambler and there is no way I would touch this game. I'm 45 years old and have never seen the Packers win in Philadelphia in my lifetime (last win there was 1962). Among the losses are several extremely humiliating games for the Packers and their fans - some close (4th and 26) and several blowouts. For me, it is completely unthinkable that the Packers would ever be giving points to the Eagles in Philly.

 
Wow, what an informative and appreciated post!! :goodposting: :yes: ;)
Don't do this if you want to keep posting here. TIA.J
Toad is a friend from another site. He posted the same thing over there and hardly any one replied or commented. Hence we are trying to encourage people to migrate over here where efforts like this are appreciated and replied to. Sorry if you misunderstood the tone of my post. Keep up the great work, from a long time subscriber! :)
 
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I'm a lifelong Packer fan and degenerate small-time gambler and there is no way I would touch this game. I'm 45 years old and have never seen the Packers win in Philadelphia in my lifetime (last win there was 1962). Among the losses are several extremely humiliating games for the Packers and their fans - some close (4th and 26) and several blowouts. For me, it is completely unthinkable that the Packers would ever be giving points to the Eagles in Philly.
C'mon, being a Packer fan, you have to remember when they went into Franklin Field and shut up that loud mouth Bednarik. Excuse me? Pardon my ignorance, I did not realize that Norm Van Brocklin handed Lombardi his only play-off loss in that game. (What's really amazing is that I am a Bills fan and I really hate that the Eagles won this game. I love Lombardi.)
 
Was thinking on this contest today. I think the Eagles must go with a Big Nickel defense, putting 3 safeties on the field along with Hobbs and Asante Samuel. That allows them to either roll down a safety into the box if the Pack go 21 personnel (2 RB, 1 TE) to support against the run, or to double Finley along with LB Akeem Jordan in a man-under style Cover 3 look.I think Finley must get double coverage with corners on Driver and Jennings with safeties deep. I think Philly can do it but it'll be a challenge. After Mikell and Nate Allen it starts getting very thin in the secondary. Coleman will be asked to do quite a bit.
The thing is the Eagles never double a TE, ever. As long as Andy has been here, he's been satisfied with doubling up the WRs and allowing the TE to eviscerate them underneath with a LB or SS coverage. I don't see that changing any time soon. He seems fine with giving up the consistent 6 - 8 yard gain by a TE over and over again to defend against the deep ball. Look up the stats over the years, it's crazy how good TEs do against this team under Reid, even in the red zone.
The problem lies in that those 6-8 yard gains can and might be turned into 60-80 yard gains by Super Finley. The line originally opened at Eagles -1. Now that's crazy. The public immediately jumped all over GB +points and it has swung all the way around to GB -3. A 5 point swing is big. That means Vegas is begging people to bet on Eagles with so much early money riding on GB. The standard is that the home team normally gets an automatic 3 points to start, so if this were in GB, it might be GB -6. Unfortunately I think it's too soon for this young Eagles team to face a team as good as GB. As witnessed in the preseason the offense isn't clicking yet and the O-line has been a trainwreck with Kolb seeing alot of pressure and running around behind the line. It's been noted by Didinger that he's already looking at the rush and taking his eyes off of downfield, a bad sign for the QB. I think this game would be more competitve if were later on in the season, but I see a relatively easy win for the Pack... 31-14. I hope I'm wrong.
 
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This is exactly the type of game where the Packer don't capitalize on early opportunities to blow out and inferior opponent and end up letting them hang around. Crosby missing a late field goal and the Packers lose it. I've seen it too many times. They play to the level of the opposition.

30-28 Eagles.

 
This is exactly the type of game where the Packer don't capitalize on early opportunities to blow out and inferior opponent and end up letting them hang around. Crosby missing a late field goal and the Packers lose it. I've seen it too many times. They play to the level of the opposition. 30-28 Eagles.
Nothing in sports is absolute, but I do believe that there is no way that the Pack blows this game. Whether it is right or wrong, Aaron Rodgers is forced to live under Favre's shadow. From everything that I have heard, Rodgers is a prep freak and he will not rest until he wins a Super Bowl.
 
I think Philly will compete in this game. The line will play better (the starters are all back finally!), and the defense will wreak havoc on GB's protection schemes.

Kolb will show a lot of promise, but Philly loses a tough one because of Kolb's relative inexperiance...a bad pick at a bad time. GB 31-27

 
I think Philly will compete in this game. The line will play better (the starters are all back finally!), and the defense will wreak havoc on GB's protection schemes.Kolb will show a lot of promise, but Philly loses a tough one because of Kolb's relative inexperiance...a bad pick at a bad time. GB 31-27
I'm expecting a sick game out of Desan. I don't know if that will translate to a Philly win, but he will be gone to alot.
 
I think Philly will compete in this game. The line will play better (the starters are all back finally!), and the defense will wreak havoc on GB's protection schemes.Kolb will show a lot of promise, but Philly loses a tough one because of Kolb's relative inexperiance...a bad pick at a bad time. GB 31-27
I'm expecting a sick game out of Desan. I don't know if that will translate to a Philly win, but he will be gone to alot.
You must own Desean in a fantasy league. Of course, my own opinion, I just do not see Philly doing anything outside of garbage time. They will miss DMcnabb.
 
This is exactly the type of game where the Packer don't capitalize on early opportunities to blow out and inferior opponent and end up letting them hang around. Crosby missing a late field goal and the Packers lose it. I've seen it too many times. They play to the level of the opposition. 30-28 Eagles.
Yeah, all hard-core Packer fans know that we lose games like this all the time. It's as predictable as the sun rising & setting, or the tides.
 

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