knowledge dropper
Footballguy
People used to walk miles to vote one day a year. If you are the type to let a little rain or cold thwart your casting of a ballot, then it wasn’t that important to you.
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Election Deniers Are Bad, Right? (1 Viewer)
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the moops
Footballguy
Importance to an individual should have no bearing on a person's right to vote
Battersbox
Footballguy
Grandma lives with you, her grasp on the fact that it's election day is tenuous at best. You proceed to vote on her behalf from your home pc. That's a problem.
The General
Footballguy
Cars used to not have seatbelts, we used pay phones...ah the good ol days.
If we are making people stand in line to vote for an hour then it seems like it is on purpose.
squistion
Footballguy
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
the moops
Footballguy
Is this all that much different than her going to the polls with you and "assisting" her there?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Nobody is making anybody do anything. It’s the price of living in a free country.
Battersbox
Footballguy
Yes. You can't go into the voting booth with her. I can also swipe her mail ballot, fill it out, and send it back any way I choose.
squistion
Footballguy
Along with not allowing anyone to bring them a cup of water no matter how long they wait (like that would influence anyone's vote
)
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Have you seen the groundbreaking documentary 2000 Mules?
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Because old people are dumb? If you're lucky enough, one day you will be old too. Most old people AREN'T out of touch dementia cases.
the moops
Footballguy
In my state of MN, and I imagine most states have a similar law in place - if someone needs assistance, such as your elderly grandmother, you can indeed go in the booth with her.
But anyway, are you willing to commit a felony to cast a fraudulent vote for her? How else do you take advantage of this poor lady? Access her bank accounts and withdraw funds? Weasel your way into her will?
Battersbox
Footballguy
Sure.
squistion
Footballguy
Have you seen the groundbreaking documentary 2000 Mules?
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
I had no interest after I saw Dinesh D'Souza was behind it, plus it was fact checked by several sources, here is one I just found on short notice (from a site I am not familiar with).
2000 MULES | JANUARY 6TH
Dinesh D'Souza's new film, 2000 Mules, suggests election fraud in the 2020 election without bringing any solid evidence.
www.jan-6.com
timschochet
Footballguy
Not really. Not enough to make any statistical difference in the outcome,
the moops
Footballguy
Sure what? I don't doubt that someone sinister could cast a vote for grandma. I am skeptical that many will risk the consequences, just as few risk duping grandma out of her retirement money
The General
Footballguy
You can vote safely and securely via the mail. Don't be sacred. This is called progress.
Battersbox
Footballguy
Ah, I see. Well if we're talking about statistical differences in the outcomes as being the deciding factor, why can't we require ID to vote? I've always been told it would disenfranchise all those poor people who have no means to get ID. But if statistically the number of them wouldn't affect the outcome (which of course it wouldn't) then there is no reason not to do it.
The General
Footballguy
I don't particularly have an issue with some form of proof of identity being required to vote. I'm also not overly concerned about this issue either way.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is the same issue presented win a twin goes and votes in person for themselves, then returns for their sibling.
Both in likelihood and situation existing in the first place.
Though...if one could come up with the stats to make a case for this being an issue, its nothing a video recording of the voting process couldn't fix.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Yet you mischaracterized the GA law regarding water in voting lines above. For the record, having stood in lines in the South to vote, it is hot. But also, those lines go way longer than 150 feet. If it's illegal within 150 feet, you have waited through all but the last couple minutes of your wait by the time you get to that point in the line. Nobody is allowed within a set distance from polling places here either. We have people set up at tents, waving their signs and waving at people as they pull into polling places. They keep them back to keep voters from being harassed. Saying they can't provide water within 150 feet of a polling place is hardly an outright ban.Have you seen the groundbreaking documentary 2000 Mules?
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
I had no interest after I saw Dinesh D'Souza was behind it, plus it was fact checked by several sources, here is one I just found on short notice (from a site I am not familiar with).
2000 MULES | JANUARY 6TH
Dinesh D'Souza's new film, 2000 Mules, suggests election fraud in the 2020 election without bringing any solid evidence.
the moops
Footballguy
35 states have some sort of voter ID laws on the books
The General
Footballguy
This all seems really dumb when an alternative is:Yet you mischaracterized the GA law regarding water in voting lines above. For the record, having stood in lines in the South to vote, it is hot. But also, those lines go way longer than 150 feet. If it's illegal within 150 feet, you have waited through all but the last couple minutes of your wait by the time you get to that point in the line. Nobody is allowed within a set distance from polling places here either. We have people set up at tents, waving their signs and waving at people as they pull into polling places. They keep them back to keep voters from being harassed. Saying they can't provide water within 150 feet of a polling place is hardly an outright ban.Have you seen the groundbreaking documentary 2000 Mules?
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
I had no interest after I saw Dinesh D'Souza was behind it, plus it was fact checked by several sources, here is one I just found on short notice (from a site I am not familiar with).
2000 MULES | JANUARY 6TH
Dinesh D'Souza's new film, 2000 Mules, suggests election fraud in the 2020 election without bringing any solid evidence.
Receive a ballot in the mail weeks in advance, receive a Voter's Guide a few days later, take your time reviewing all the various initiatives and candidates, do your research, fill it out as you go, tear off a receipt, drop in mail and track a bit later that it was received.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Not unless she signs it.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I do vote by mail normally. However, don’t push this false narrative that it is “difficult” to vote.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
That's just not the way we choose to do it here. I prefer the way it is done and having a set day. I don't have a lot of confidence in the safeguards and checking of signatures etc. It likely isn't going to make a difference in any outcomes here, but our voter ID process is pretty thorough at the polling places. Each state has their own say though in how they administer the elections.This all seems really dumb when an alternative is:Yet you mischaracterized the GA law regarding water in voting lines above. For the record, having stood in lines in the South to vote, it is hot. But also, those lines go way longer than 150 feet. If it's illegal within 150 feet, you have waited through all but the last couple minutes of your wait by the time you get to that point in the line. Nobody is allowed within a set distance from polling places here either. We have people set up at tents, waving their signs and waving at people as they pull into polling places. They keep them back to keep voters from being harassed. Saying they can't provide water within 150 feet of a polling place is hardly an outright ban.Have you seen the groundbreaking documentary 2000 Mules?
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
I had no interest after I saw Dinesh D'Souza was behind it, plus it was fact checked by several sources, here is one I just found on short notice (from a site I am not familiar with).
2000 MULES | JANUARY 6TH
Dinesh D'Souza's new film, 2000 Mules, suggests election fraud in the 2020 election without bringing any solid evidence.
Receive a ballot in the mail weeks in advance, receive a Voter's Guide a few days later, take your time reviewing all the various initiatives and candidates, do your research, fill it out as you go, tear off a receipt, drop in mail and track a bit later that it was received.
GoBirds
Footballguy
They push the false narrative as many don’t care about voting rules or if their candidate receives legal votes. Just getting votes however they can, sadly that’s true for many.
Dickies
Footballguy
Just because people used to do outdated things doesn't mean we still should.
the moops
Footballguy
Where is here?
squistion
Footballguy
Battersbox
Footballguy
I can sign it. Nobody would ever know.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Isn't this a "this is how it's always been" argument? That is, "X is how we do it" isn't a good response to "Y would be better than X because..."
The Commish
Footballguy
Where does the origination signature (used for comparisons) come from? Curious.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
It's the way I like it, if I didn't I could talk to my state senator and representative to fix it. Each state has that authority and if you don't like the way your state does it then you have avenues to go about changing it. The fact someone in another state doesn't like the way my state does it, sorry I really don't care. By the same token, I have no say in how your state chooses to run their elections, nor should I.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
All true. Not responsive to a discussion on which method is better and why, though.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I don't think we have the safeguards in place to do it any other way here. I have zero confidence in being able to properly administer the election here by mail and verify all the signatures, especially on the scale it would take to conduct it in such a way.
dkp993
Footballguy
And if it was so important to the country people voted we‘d make it a holiday to do so.
You can try to forge it, but if you're not at least close (in this scenario you're taking someone else's grandma's ballot), there's a good chance it gets thrown out.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Do you think states that have had it for decades have the right safeguards? If not, why not? If so, why couldn't your state copy those?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Anyone else find it hilarious that Squistion found 2000 mules to be sketchy and as proof sent us to a link to a site called jan-6.com?Have you seen the groundbreaking documentary 2000 Mules?
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
I had no interest after I saw Dinesh D'Souza was behind it, plus it was fact checked by several sources, here is one I just found on short notice (from a site I am not familiar with).
2000 MULES | JANUARY 6TH
Dinesh D'Souza's new film, 2000 Mules, suggests election fraud in the 2020 election without bringing any solid evidence.
I mean, Hollywood couldn't even write this kind of comedy gold.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Not to mention risking a felony for the sake of one vote.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
How would you know?
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I have no idea. Having had to verify signatures on documents during a forensic audit, I know it’s time consuming and tedious. It would seem to require a lot of overhead to do it correctly. So it would cost a lot or likely not be done well. As far as states who do it now, I have no idea. I haven’t invested time into it because that’s up to those states and the voters there.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
How many felons do you think are in prison because they thought it out before hand?
squistion
Footballguy
Anyone else find it hilarious that Squistion found 2000 mules to be sketchy and as proof sent us to a link to a site called jan-6.com?Have you seen the groundbreaking documentary 2000 Mules?
Fun Fact: In many states, mail in ballots were counted on election day, but some states had the requirement that those ballots be counted after the same day vote (apparently to give the impression by looking at the early results that it was some manipulation or shenanigans by those counting the votes).
I had no interest after I saw Dinesh D'Souza was behind it, plus it was fact checked by several sources, here is one I just found on short notice (from a site I am not familiar with).
2000 MULES | JANUARY 6TH
Dinesh D'Souza's new film, 2000 Mules, suggests election fraud in the 2020 election without bringing any solid evidence.
I mean, Hollywood couldn't even write this kind of comedy gold.
I found it sketchy before that (see 2000 mules thread) and made the disclaimer that it was the only site I could find on short notice that had fact checked the film and I had never heard of them before.
dkp993
Footballguy
Oh I’ve heard some comedy gold around here over the years. Things like…Anyone else find it hilarious that Squistion found 2000 mules to be sketchy and as proof sent us to a link to a site called jan-6.com?
I mean, Hollywood couldn't even write this kind of comedy gold.
-Sydney Powell is a serious lawyer
-The AZ audit was independent and unbiased.
-J6 was just some old people on a tour through the capital
- And on this page calling 2000 miles a ”groundbreaking documentary”
it’s all funny enough to bring tears to one’s eyes.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Actions speak louder than words. Not wanting laws enforced speaks for itself.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Still struggling to understand how one can argue against something being a viable solution when one admits to not knowing the details. Still seems like a "we should do it this way in the future because we've done it this way in the past" argument.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Structural reform is a lot more important than any ballot security issues we might have. But all anyone wants to talk about is somebody forging meemaw's signature.
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