Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (1 Viewer)

[Nugget]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

I don’t see many EV owners going back to gas engines. I hate engine noise now.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

the S and X are really nice. the bat wing thing is cool at first, but i think it would get old for me. the acceleration is just a lot of fun. As i said, i'll run this 2016 S75 into the ground. its fun to drive.

The only other Tesla I've ridden and driven is my best friends Model 3. I expected the X to be nicer as it costs so much more, but I didn't expect it to be this nice.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And I don't know, I don't think I'd ever get tired of the falcon wing doors. Those are sweet.

 

[Chaos34]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Did you sell it because of the current Tesla stigma attached?

No. I sold it despite the stigma. I've had it for sale off and on since mid-December. My thoughts are all over this thread. I've had a sedan and a truck most of my life, but no truck for 3 years. Lots of rambling herein about me wanting the Silverado EV WT. 450 mile full size ev truck for $50k, they say. Long story short, I didn't buy anything. The best deal online for the truck was 63. I did find great deals on the Denali and the Silverado RST. Both too expensive despite the big discounts. Rivian becomes an option. I'm having decidaphobia but feel like a decision needs to be made considering current pricing and tariff talk.

Didn't fall in love with the Equinox. If I did, then a used ICE truck would be the idea. If I get a new ev truck then it becomes my only vehicle. Selling the Tesla gives me that option.

 

[BassNBrew]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Did you sell it because of the current Tesla stigma attached?

No. I sold it despite the stigma. I've had it for sale off and on since mid-December. My thoughts are all over this thread. I've had a sedan and a truck most of my life, but no truck for 3 years. Lots of rambling herein about me wanting the Silverado EV WT. 450 mile full size ev truck for $50k, they say. Long story short, I didn't buy anything. The best deal online for the truck was 63. I did find great deals on the Denali and the Silverado RST. Both too expensive despite the big discounts. Rivian becomes an option. I'm having decidaphobia but feel like a decision needs to be made considering current pricing and tariff talk.

Didn't fall in love with the Equinox. If I did, then a used ICE truck would be the idea. If I get a new ev truck then it becomes my only vehicle. Selling the Tesla gives me that option.

You won't be disappointed in Rivian. The online guys are saying the lease is a great deal.

 

[BassNBrew]

And I don't know, I don't think I'd ever get tired of the falcon wing doors. Those are sweet.

Just check out the head room in back if you are going to have passengers. It's an issue with that design.

 

[Chaos34]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Did you sell it because of the current Tesla stigma attached?

No. I sold it despite the stigma. I've had it for sale off and on since mid-December. My thoughts are all over this thread. I've had a sedan and a truck most of my life, but no truck for 3 years. Lots of rambling herein about me wanting the Silverado EV WT. 450 mile full size ev truck for $50k, they say. Long story short, I didn't buy anything. The best deal online for the truck was 63. I did find great deals on the Denali and the Silverado RST. Both too expensive despite the big discounts. Rivian becomes an option. I'm having decidaphobia but feel like a decision needs to be made considering current pricing and tariff talk.

Didn't fall in love with the Equinox. If I did, then a used ICE truck would be the idea. If I get a new ev truck then it becomes my only vehicle. Selling the Tesla gives me that option.

You won't be disappointed in Rivian. The online guys are saying the lease is a great deal.

I know. I've watched over a dozen youtubers review their Rivians. They seem like great trucks. We had this discussion in January. I'm the guy who really really wants a full sized bed. With the midgate the GM trucks have 11' beds.

For now i'm driving an 05 Nissan Frontier with a manual transmission. Kinda fun. Tiny bed though.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And I don't know, I don't think I'd ever get tired of the falcon wing doors. Those are sweet.

Just check out the head room in back if you are going to have passengers. It's an issue with that design.

On the 3rd row?

I rode in the back in the 2nd row and one of the things that impressed me was how much headroom the back seats had. Plus all the glass on the roof.

The 3rd row seemed pretty normal for a 3rd row in a car that size. But the regular back seats were fantastic.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

My daughter-in-law was involved in a bad car accident some time back and her Kia Optima became a real albatross after
Upside down $10k on it and still making full retail car payments
My son had to take it in for some repairs and the car had well over 85,000 miles on it
Salesman approaches my son about 1 remaining EV6 they have on the lot and a big rebate he was still eligible for because it was a 2024
The rebate basically got them even or out of the Optima and their payment stayed relatively the same
My son is now the proud owner of a KIA EV6, his work decided to kick him up a level to manager status and he now gets free charging all day while he's working
He almost will never have to charge it at home or elsewhere unless he ventures out on a longer journey, 300+ miles on a full charge
$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

-Add in my little grand daughter will be here in about 2-3 months and I was actually proud of my son, I told him for a while he was going to need something SUV like
I don't know if these EV6 vehicles will last or if they good but I now know 3 people including my son that bought these and all of them seem happy
I never had a car like this when I was 25.
There is 1 EV6 Wind down here in West Palm, I called on it last night. The price was around $40k but it included the government rebate already

 

[the moops]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

 

[BassNBrew]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

25K AT 25 MPG WILL PUT YOU AT $333. My truck gas payment was $600-$800 per month.

 

[BassNBrew]

And I don't know, I don't think I'd ever get tired of the falcon wing doors. Those are sweet.

Just check out the head room in back if you are going to have passengers. It's an issue with that design.

On the 3rd row?

I rode in the back in the 2nd row and one of the things that impressed me was how much headroom the back seats had. Plus all the glass on the roof.

The 3rd row seemed pretty normal for a 3rd row in a car that size. But the regular back seats were fantastic.

2nd row, then center “beam”. This was 2 years ago so maybe a redesign?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

 

[Nugget]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think I saw there are at least 3 different models of Tesla that rank among the Top 10-12 for most built in the USA, fine
My question for anyone that happens to own a Tesla, are you concerned about the long term value of the car after recent fallout?

We can't make political comments but I would like to hear if others have the same fear in the back of their minds like I do
I don't think I could see myself buying a Tesla right now, has nothing to do with my personal POV, it's just the negative fallout
I'd have to wait a few months to let the smoke clear. What is a 2023/2024 Tesla going to be worth 6 months from now?
It might be better to try and purchase a used one right now and see how low you can go to acquire an EV

I don't want to derail the thread so if this is too much to go into, it's cool.

 

[the moops]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

25K AT 25 MPG WILL PUT YOU AT $333. My truck gas payment was $600-$800 per month.

As I said that’s a lot of driving. Not many folks putting 25K on their car in a year.

Also 800 bucks per month in gas!!! Holy moly

 

[bigbottom]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

I don’t see many EV owners going back to gas engines. I hate engine noise now.

Interestingly, I know two Tesla owners here in Texas and both are now back to gas vehicles. A friend in SoCal drives an Ioniq and will be going back to gas (hybrid) because he can’t make it to Vegas without a 1+ hour stop to recharge. Anecdotal to be sure, but among my obviously limited social group, 100% of the electric vehicle owners have or will be switching back to gas vehicles.

Edit: Obviously, I live in an area where gas is cheap and charging infrastructure is challenging, which is why my sample size is so small.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

 

[Sammy3469]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

I don’t see many EV owners going back to gas engines. I hate engine noise now.

Interestingly, I know two Tesla owners here in Texas and both are now back to gas vehicles. A friend in SoCal drives an Ioniq and will be going back to gas (hybrid) because he can’t make it to Vegas without a 1+ hour stop to recharge. Anecdotal to be sure, but among my obviously limited social group, 100% of the electric vehicle owners have or will be switching back to gas vehicles.

Edit: Obviously, I live in an area where gas is cheap and charging infrastructure is challenging, which is why my sample size is so small.

At least in Southern California, I still think that if you drive at all over the one-charge in one day with any regularity (even once a quarter), you still basically need on at least one gas vehicle. There just aren't good charging options if you want to go to Phoenix, LV, or north of LA. In that scenario any of the EVs place force a level planning that still feels very constraining (and forget about trying on a busy travel weekend where the chargers are full). Some people don't mind that, but we have one friend that always takes his Tesla and when we travel with them, we always have to eat somewhere close to the charger.

I've also found that any of the superchargers are getting to the point where if you have to use them, they "seem" about at parity for gas.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And I don't know, I don't think I'd ever get tired of the falcon wing doors. Those are sweet.

Just check out the head room in back if you are going to have passengers. It's an issue with that design.

On the 3rd row?

I rode in the back in the 2nd row and one of the things that impressed me was how much headroom the back seats had. Plus all the glass on the roof.

The 3rd row seemed pretty normal for a 3rd row in a car that size. But the regular back seats were fantastic.

2nd row, then center “beam”. This was 2 years ago so maybe a redesign?

They must have changed. I'm 6'0" and 2nd row for this one was fantastic. That's interesting as the head and leg room for the 2nd row was something that caught my attention for how good it was.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think I saw there are at least 3 different models of Tesla that rank among the Top 10-12 for most built in the USA, fine
My question for anyone that happens to own a Tesla, are you concerned about the long term value of the car after recent fallout?

We can't make political comments but I would like to hear if others have the same fear in the back of their minds like I do
I don't think I could see myself buying a Tesla right now, has nothing to do with my personal POV, it's just the negative fallout
I'd have to wait a few months to let the smoke clear. What is a 2023/2024 Tesla going to be worth 6 months from now?
It might be better to try and purchase a used one right now and see how low you can go to acquire an EV

I don't want to derail the thread so if this is too much to go into, it's cool.

Thanks. I agree, let's not take the thread there. We already have the passive aggressive thing for what news is reported. Let's not push it further into that.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Also recently rode in an Audi EV. Not sure which model but it was exceptionally nice as well. I think I was less surprised as I mostly expected that from an Audi.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And to add, Uber is an interesting way to test ride a lot of cars.

 

[BassNBrew]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

25K AT 25 MPG WILL PUT YOU AT $333. My truck gas payment was $600-$800 per month.

As I said that’s a lot of driving. Not many folks putting 25K on their car in a year.

Also 800 bucks per month in gas!!! Holy moly

Some of us work full time

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Did you sell it because of the current Tesla stigma attached?

No. I sold it despite the stigma. I've had it for sale off and on since mid-December. My thoughts are all over this thread. I've had a sedan and a truck most of my life, but no truck for 3 years. Lots of rambling herein about me wanting the Silverado EV WT. 450 mile full size ev truck for $50k, they say. Long story short, I didn't buy anything. The best deal online for the truck was 63. I did find great deals on the Denali and the Silverado RST. Both too expensive despite the big discounts. Rivian becomes an option. I'm having decidaphobia but feel like a decision needs to be made considering current pricing and tariff talk.

Didn't fall in love with the Equinox. If I did, then a used ICE truck would be the idea. If I get a new ev truck then it becomes my only vehicle. Selling the Tesla gives me that option.

You won't be disappointed in Rivian. The online guys are saying the lease is a great deal.

I know. I've watched over a dozen youtubers review their Rivians. They seem like great trucks. We had this discussion in January. I'm the guy who really really wants a full sized bed. With the midgate the GM trucks have 11' beds.

For now i'm driving an 05 Nissan Frontier with a manual transmission. Kinda fun. Tiny bed though.

I sold my 2017 manual Frontier last year. Was a very fun truck to drive. I would have considered keeping it but as you said, the bed is too small. (Mine was only 5’)

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

And to add, Uber is an interesting way to test ride a lot of cars.

I mean I ask drivers how they like their car occasionally never considered this as an option. Not a bad idea if you’re having trouble deciding between two and don’t want the rigmarole of dealership.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And to add, Uber is an interesting way to test ride a lot of cars.

I mean I ask drivers how they like their car occasionally never considered this as an option. Not a bad idea if you’re having trouble deciding between two and don’t want the rigmarole of dealership.

Yes. My kids hate that I talk to the drivers so much but lots of times, they are happy to talk about their cars.

Uber also seems to regularly discount the black level or premium cars so often you can ride in really nice cars for about the same price as a regular ride.

 

[Instinctive]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

I don’t see many EV owners going back to gas engines. I hate engine noise now.

Interestingly, I know two Tesla owners here in Texas and both are now back to gas vehicles. A friend in SoCal drives an Ioniq and will be going back to gas (hybrid) because he can’t make it to Vegas without a 1+ hour stop to recharge. Anecdotal to be sure, but among my obviously limited social group, 100% of the electric vehicle owners have or will be switching back to gas vehicles.

Edit: Obviously, I live in an area where gas is cheap and charging infrastructure is challenging, which is why my sample size is so small.

At least in Southern California, I still think that if you drive at all over the one-charge in one day with any regularity (even once a quarter), you still basically need on at least one gas vehicle. There just aren't good charging options if you want to go to Phoenix, LV, or north of LA. In that scenario any of the EVs place force a level planning that still feels very constraining (and forget about trying on a busy travel weekend where the chargers are full). Some people don't mind that, but we have one friend that always takes his Tesla and when we travel with them, we always have to eat somewhere close to the charger.

I've also found that any of the superchargers are getting to the point where if you have to use them, they "seem" about at parity for gas.

I'm unwilling to take mine past a 300-mile radius of my house, and I need a for sure charging capability at whatever spot I end up is.

From Dallas that means I've gone to OKC, charged at destination, come home. I've gone to Austin, charged at destination, come home. Broken Bow, OK, charged at destination, come home.

Even wide open 350 DC chargers alone at a stop still take twice as long for charging as it does to get gas, go to the bathroom, and grab food. If they were more regularly available and reliable, I would consider a longer road trip, but for now I HATE the planning it would require vs the ease of "wife needs to pee, may as well grab gas" because gas stations are so plentiful.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Definitely never going back to ICE. Been from Austin to Oregon twice. I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

Whenever i have an ICE rental i always get out of the car and accidentally leave it running

 

[thecatch]

Definitely never going back to ICE. Been from Austin to Oregon twice. I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

Whenever i have an ICE rental i always get out of the car and accidentally leave it running

I don't leave it running, but I've walked away without locking the doors on my ICE car too many times to count since we got the Tesla. Ugh.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

I do think you're unique. Although not totally unique. My friend with an EV tries to spin that as a positive and I tell him he's crazy.

If I want to get out to stretch my legs, I will. But I want to do that when I want. Not because I have to.

 

[Psychopav]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

I don’t see many EV owners going back to gas engines. I hate engine noise now.

Interestingly, I know two Tesla owners here in Texas and both are now back to gas vehicles. A friend in SoCal drives an Ioniq and will be going back to gas (hybrid) because he can’t make it to Vegas without a 1+ hour stop to recharge. Anecdotal to be sure, but among my obviously limited social group, 100% of the electric vehicle owners have or will be switching back to gas vehicles.

Edit: Obviously, I live in an area where gas is cheap and charging infrastructure is challenging, which is why my sample size is so small.

You live in the oil capitol of the US, iirc. Here in DFW, I can't spit without hitting a Tesla. They're ubiquitous, and while charging stations are not as prevalent, I see them all over. I only with Electrify America had some in my (north of Dallas) area.

 

[Psychopav]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

I don’t see many EV owners going back to gas engines. I hate engine noise now.

Interestingly, I know two Tesla owners here in Texas and both are now back to gas vehicles. A friend in SoCal drives an Ioniq and will be going back to gas (hybrid) because he can’t make it to Vegas without a 1+ hour stop to recharge. Anecdotal to be sure, but among my obviously limited social group, 100% of the electric vehicle owners have or will be switching back to gas vehicles.

Edit: Obviously, I live in an area where gas is cheap and charging infrastructure is challenging, which is why my sample size is so small.

At least in Southern California, I still think that if you drive at all over the one-charge in one day with any regularity (even once a quarter), you still basically need on at least one gas vehicle. There just aren't good charging options if you want to go to Phoenix, LV, or north of LA. In that scenario any of the EVs place force a level planning that still feels very constraining (and forget about trying on a busy travel weekend where the chargers are full). Some people don't mind that, but we have one friend that always takes his Tesla and when we travel with them, we always have to eat somewhere close to the charger.

I've also found that any of the superchargers are getting to the point where if you have to use them, they "seem" about at parity for gas.

I'm unwilling to take mine past a 300-mile radius of my house, and I need a for sure charging capability at whatever spot I end up is.

From Dallas that means I've gone to OKC, charged at destination, come home. I've gone to Austin, charged at destination, come home. Broken Bow, OK, charged at destination, come home.

Even wide open 350 DC chargers alone at a stop still take twice as long for charging as it does to get gas, go to the bathroom, and grab food. If they were more regularly available and reliable, I would consider a longer road trip, but for now I HATE the planning it would require vs the ease of "wife needs to pee, may as well grab gas" because gas stations are so plentiful.

100% agree, but that's the cost of being a relatively early adopter, and hopefully you understood that going in and aren't too terribly frustrated by it. In my family, we have the "family truckster" which is an ICE minivan and my EV6. When the van dies, we'll likely get a plug-in hybrid, but we are road trippers and there's no way I'm going to road trip in my EV6 past the limits you described above.

Give it 10 years and I predict we'll all be having a very different conversation.

 

[Psychopav]

I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

I do think you're unique. Although not totally unique. My friend with an EV tries to spin that as a positive and I tell him he's crazy.

If I want to get out to stretch my legs, I will. But I want to do that when I want. Not because I have to.

So the payoff for me on this topic is that with my Kia I get free high speed charging for 3 years. So you might not road trip with a 20 min leg stretch every few hours...but would you change your mind if your "gas" cost was $0? I'm cheap enough that it's a no brainer. Yes please!

 

[Psychopav]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

 

[Kanil]

My son turns 16 in two years and I can't wait to get into an EV. My brother has worked for Kia for 20 years and I'm hoping to get a good deal on the EV8 if it's actually out by then. Of course, maybe in two years something super cool that I don't even know about yet is out and I have to move to that.

 

[TennesseeJed]

. I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

You are like my dad when he takes a long trip. Of course, he is 83...

 

[Instinctive]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

I don’t see many EV owners going back to gas engines. I hate engine noise now.

Interestingly, I know two Tesla owners here in Texas and both are now back to gas vehicles. A friend in SoCal drives an Ioniq and will be going back to gas (hybrid) because he can’t make it to Vegas without a 1+ hour stop to recharge. Anecdotal to be sure, but among my obviously limited social group, 100% of the electric vehicle owners have or will be switching back to gas vehicles.

Edit: Obviously, I live in an area where gas is cheap and charging infrastructure is challenging, which is why my sample size is so small.

At least in Southern California, I still think that if you drive at all over the one-charge in one day with any regularity (even once a quarter), you still basically need on at least one gas vehicle. There just aren't good charging options if you want to go to Phoenix, LV, or north of LA. In that scenario any of the EVs place force a level planning that still feels very constraining (and forget about trying on a busy travel weekend where the chargers are full). Some people don't mind that, but we have one friend that always takes his Tesla and when we travel with them, we always have to eat somewhere close to the charger.

I've also found that any of the superchargers are getting to the point where if you have to use them, they "seem" about at parity for gas.

I'm unwilling to take mine past a 300-mile radius of my house, and I need a for sure charging capability at whatever spot I end up is.

From Dallas that means I've gone to OKC, charged at destination, come home. I've gone to Austin, charged at destination, come home. Broken Bow, OK, charged at destination, come home.

Even wide open 350 DC chargers alone at a stop still take twice as long for charging as it does to get gas, go to the bathroom, and grab food. If they were more regularly available and reliable, I would consider a longer road trip, but for now I HATE the planning it would require vs the ease of "wife needs to pee, may as well grab gas" because gas stations are so plentiful.

100% agree, but that's the cost of being a relatively early adopter, and hopefully you understood that going in and aren't too terribly frustrated by it. In my family, we have the "family truckster" which is an ICE minivan and my EV6. When the van dies, we'll likely get a plug-in hybrid, but we are road trippers and there's no way I'm going to road trip in my EV6 past the limits you described above.

Give it 10 years and I predict we'll all be having a very different conversation.

Yeah I don't think I phrases it as a complaint. That's why we got the Lucid. I didn't, and still wouldn't, really trust anything else to go that far without needing a charge and have some to spare if you need to scramble for a charger. But my car has a 400+ mile range.

At the same time, it's the number one reason we also have a gas car. Because we do need to drive farther, or sometimes we need to go up to OKC area and cut it close on time and not build in an extra 30-40 minutes to charge back up and make sure we can get around while we are there.

95% of our driving needs are within 30 miles. With a home charger and an EV that's amazing. Never have to get gas, never an issue, it's much cheaper. But that 5% travel case would be a pain in the butt if we didn't just also have a gas car.


ETA: idk that I'd say I'm an early adopter either. I guess maybe in the grand scheme. But we are many many years into EVs.

And agree there are a ton of Teslas around here (I'm also DFW). Almost all the ubers are it feels like. We didn't buy one because they feel cheaply made and don't have enough range, but that was before all the Elon political crap that people worry about now. They're kinda like the Honda of EVs to me. Except way pricier.

 

[bigbottom]

I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

I do think you're unique. Although not totally unique. My friend with an EV tries to spin that as a positive and I tell him he's crazy.

If I want to get out to stretch my legs, I will. But I want to do that when I want. Not because I have to.

So the payoff for me on this topic is that with my Kia I get free high speed charging for 3 years. So you might not road trip with a 20 min leg stretch every few hours...but would you change your mind if your "gas" cost was $0? I'm cheap enough that it's a no brainer. Yes please!

My buddy complains that his stops on road trips are sometimes over an hour because he has to wait for the charger. If it took me 7 hours rather than 5 hours to get somewhere, I’d probably lose my mind. But I’m a rusher. Always have been. Probably not great for my health, but it’s part of my DNA.

 

[Psychopav]

I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

I do think you're unique. Although not totally unique. My friend with an EV tries to spin that as a positive and I tell him he's crazy.

If I want to get out to stretch my legs, I will. But I want to do that when I want. Not because I have to.

So the payoff for me on this topic is that with my Kia I get free high speed charging for 3 years. So you might not road trip with a 20 min leg stretch every few hours...but would you change your mind if your "gas" cost was $0? I'm cheap enough that it's a no brainer. Yes please!

My buddy complains that his stops on road trips are sometimes over an hour because he has to wait for the charger. If it took me 7 hours rather than 5 hours to get somewhere, I’d probably lose my mind. But I’m a rusher. Always have been. Probably not great for my health, but it’s part of my DNA.

I think FSD will change that mindset too. Already I'm much more laid back when driving just using the lane assist and adaptive cruise control on surface streets. I can't wait for the day I don't have to pay any attention at all!

 

[BlackCrowes]

I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

I do think you're unique. Although not totally unique. My friend with an EV tries to spin that as a positive and I tell him he's crazy.

If I want to get out to stretch my legs, I will. But I want to do that when I want. Not because I have to.

So the payoff for me on this topic is that with my Kia I get free high speed charging for 3 years. So you might not road trip with a 20 min leg stretch every few hours...but would you change your mind if your "gas" cost was $0? I'm cheap enough that it's a no brainer. Yes please!

My buddy complains that his stops on road trips are sometimes over an hour because he has to wait for the charger. If it took me 7 hours rather than 5 hours to get somewhere, I’d probably lose my mind. But I’m a rusher. Always have been. Probably not great for my health, but it’s part of my DNA.

he has to wait to use the charger, or an hour of actual charge time? don't think i've ever charged for more than 40 mins on a DC fast charger

 

[gianmarco]

As others have stated, range isn't an issue 95+% of the time. We have to take a road trip maybe 3-4 times a year that exceeds the range.

At this point, we've taken to just getting a car through Turo or regular rental. It isn't necessarily the most cost effective overall, but it just makes it worry free and I can put the miles on someone else's car. Especially with Turo, we just look at as part of the trip expense and will "splurge" and get a nice car we've never driven before (i.e. did a Mercedes SUV last trip).

 

[the moops]

As others have stated, range isn't an issue 95+% of the time. We have to take a road trip maybe 3-4 times a year that exceeds the range.

At this point, we've taken to just getting a car through Turo or regular rental. It isn't necessarily the most cost effective overall, but it just makes it worry free and I can put the miles on someone else's car. Especially with Turo, we just look at as part of the trip expense and will "splurge" and get a nice car we've never driven before (i.e. did a Mercedes SUV last trip).

Yea this is what we do, and honestly what many people should do. Buy a car that meets your 95% needs.

Not EV related but this is similar to what my parents do with their vehicles. They are retired and rarely drive more than half hour, and when they do, it is just the 2 of them. Occasionally they may have another couple with them. But what do they always end up buying? Something huge like a Suburban or similar. Why? Because the maybe 2 times a year my brother and his family and me and my family are all in the same town as them, and they want to be able to fit 8 people in the car together. The thing is, there is 10 of us total so we have to take another vehicle anyway should we all be going somewhere together.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As others have stated, range isn't an issue 95+% of the time. We have to take a road trip maybe 3-4 times a year that exceeds the range.

At this point, we've taken to just getting a car through Turo or regular rental. It isn't necessarily the most cost effective overall, but it just makes it worry free and I can put the miles on someone else's car. Especially with Turo, we just look at as part of the trip expense and will "splurge" and get a nice car we've never driven before (i.e. did a Mercedes SUV last trip).

Interesting. I've never used Turo. What's a rough idea of the cost for a rental for a nice Mercedes SUV for a week? Are there limits on mileage?

 

[fruity pebbles]

As others have stated, range isn't an issue 95+% of the time. We have to take a road trip maybe 3-4 times a year that exceeds the range.

At this point, we've taken to just getting a car through Turo or regular rental. It isn't necessarily the most cost effective overall, but it just makes it worry free and I can put the miles on someone else's car. Especially with Turo, we just look at as part of the trip expense and will "splurge" and get a nice car we've never driven before (i.e. did a Mercedes SUV last trip).

Yea this is what we do, and honestly what many people should do. Buy a car that meets your 95% needs.

Not EV related but this is similar to what my parents do with their vehicles. They are retired and rarely drive more than half hour, and when they do, it is just the 2 of them. Occasionally they may have another couple with them. But what do they always end up buying? Something huge like a Suburban or similar. Why? Because the maybe 2 times a year my brother and his family and me and my family are all in the same town as them, and they want to be able to fit 8 people in the car together. The thing is, there is 10 of us total so we have to take another vehicle anyway should we all be going somewhere together.

Basically what I do. The Bolt serves my needs 95% of the time and the cost savings over what I would pay for a new gas’s powered vehicle makes it well worth it. The 1or 2 times a year I don’t want to take it, I use my ex wife’s suv and buy her tires every other year.

 

[gianmarco]

As others have stated, range isn't an issue 95+% of the time. We have to take a road trip maybe 3-4 times a year that exceeds the range.

At this point, we've taken to just getting a car through Turo or regular rental. It isn't necessarily the most cost effective overall, but it just makes it worry free and I can put the miles on someone else's car. Especially with Turo, we just look at as part of the trip expense and will "splurge" and get a nice car we've never driven before (i.e. did a Mercedes SUV last trip).

Interesting. I've never used Turo. What's a rough idea of the cost for a rental for a nice Mercedes SUV for a week? Are there limits on mileage?

You can go to Turo and search for your area pretty easily to get an idea. Every area is different.

We got a 2021 Mercedes Benz GLE class for 3 days for $388 total. Included 600 miles (200/day).

Currently have a reservation for a 2016 Porsche Cayenne for 3 days in Orlando in May for $292 total (also 600 miles).

So, it depends on where and when, how long, etc. Some limit mileage to 150/day or even less, some are unlimited.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As others have stated, range isn't an issue 95+% of the time. We have to take a road trip maybe 3-4 times a year that exceeds the range.

At this point, we've taken to just getting a car through Turo or regular rental. It isn't necessarily the most cost effective overall, but it just makes it worry free and I can put the miles on someone else's car. Especially with Turo, we just look at as part of the trip expense and will "splurge" and get a nice car we've never driven before (i.e. did a Mercedes SUV last trip).

And apologies for missing it earler - what EV do you recommend?

 

[gianmarco]

As others have stated, range isn't an issue 95+% of the time. We have to take a road trip maybe 3-4 times a year that exceeds the range.

At this point, we've taken to just getting a car through Turo or regular rental. It isn't necessarily the most cost effective overall, but it just makes it worry free and I can put the miles on someone else's car. Especially with Turo, we just look at as part of the trip expense and will "splurge" and get a nice car we've never driven before (i.e. did a Mercedes SUV last trip).

And apologies for missing it earler - what EV do you recommend?

I don't recommend any specific one. We have a VW ID.4.

It's fine. I wouldn't recommend it specifically but I do recommend having an EV. Will certainly look at getting another in the future when we are done with this one.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

How much space does something like that take up? Is it something I have to have built in front of my parking spot (not likely to be approved) or is it something I can take down from my condo/apt to the car and charge it, then just take it back upstairs or toss it int he trunk?

 

[bigbottom]

I like getting out every 2.5 hours and stretching my legs for 20 mins. I also know i'm unique that way.

I do think you're unique. Although not totally unique. My friend with an EV tries to spin that as a positive and I tell him he's crazy.

If I want to get out to stretch my legs, I will. But I want to do that when I want. Not because I have to.

So the payoff for me on this topic is that with my Kia I get free high speed charging for 3 years. So you might not road trip with a 20 min leg stretch every few hours...but would you change your mind if your "gas" cost was $0? I'm cheap enough that it's a no brainer. Yes please!

My buddy complains that his stops on road trips are sometimes over an hour because he has to wait for the charger. If it took me 7 hours rather than 5 hours to get somewhere, I’d probably lose my mind. But I’m a rusher. Always have been. Probably not great for my health, but it’s part of my DNA.

he has to wait to use the charger, or an hour of actual charge time? don't think i've ever charged for more than 40 mins on a DC fast charger

See bolded. I guess for his trips there aren’t as many options.