James Daulton
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These things are still too expensive.
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Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (1 Viewer)
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culdeus
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
squidrope
Footballguy
Camber is set by adjusting the suspension. Not how the tire's mounted. Are you thinking of an alignment? During an alignment the camber could be adjusted.
whoknew
Footballguy
Got a software update overnight. I haven't checked out all of the changes but three things that were clear:
- Updated the media - looks much easier to use now;
- Updated the app - can control the media from the app now; and
- Added lane change to autodrive. So it says if you turn on your turn signal when on autodrive, it will change lanes for you.
James Daulton
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
I do love it. Its really great. I've had it for a month and I don't think I've used all of the cool #### it can do.
And I don't have the performance one. I have the long range premium (or something like that).
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
This was mostly an issue with the P85+ (2013-14) running 21 inch rims on 265s. 19 inch rims seem to largely mitigate the issue.
21”s win on looks all day but if you live in a 4 season climate in which roads are salted & pot holes are common you’ll likely have more tire problems. Most folks with 21s around here switch to 19 inch winter tires this time of year.
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Love the Roadster. 
Instagram pic links are in the article.
Incredible photos of Tesla's next-gen Roadster surface online
It’s an exceedingly busy time for Tesla these days. At the same time that the company continues to ramp up Model 3 production, the company within the next two years will also start production on the Tesla Semi and a crossover version of the Model 3 dubbed the Model Y. That said, the most exciting new car Tesla has in the works is without question the company’s next-gen Roadster.
Originally unveiled as a surprise announcement during the company’s Tesla Semi introduction a year ago, the second iteration of the Tesla Roadster is a bonafide speed demon. Elon Musk at the time made a point of noting that Tesla’s next-gen Roadster “will be the fastest production car ever made.” And when you look at the car’s specs, it’s easy to see why.
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Incredibly, the next-gen Roadster boasts a 0-60 MPH time of just 1.9 seconds and a 0-100 MPH time of 4.2 seconds. What’s more, the car boasts a top speed that eclipses the 250 MPH threshold and, as a nice cherry on top, can drive upwards of 620 miles on a single charge.
As impressive as that all sounds, a speedy car isn’t all that appealing if it doesn’t have the looks to match. And in that regard, Tesla’s next-gen Roadster delivers in a big way. The car’s design is unbelievably sleek and downright futuristic from front to back. It impressively features an eye-catching design without featuring some of the more obnoxious features that we sometimes see on supercars.
Recently, Tesla’s next-gen Roadster made a surprise appearance at an exhibition event held at the ArtCenter College of Design in Los Angeles. As a point of interest, Tesla chief designer Franz von Holzhausen is an alumni of the school.
Tesla’s Roadster doesn’t make many public appearances, so any opportunity to catch a glimpse of this speed demon is always welcome. Below are a few of the shots that made the rounds on Instagram.
https://apple.news/AXXJKFa05TKWZNhkequNUmQ
Instagram pic links are in the article. Incredible photos of Tesla's next-gen Roadster surface online
It’s an exceedingly busy time for Tesla these days. At the same time that the company continues to ramp up Model 3 production, the company within the next two years will also start production on the Tesla Semi and a crossover version of the Model 3 dubbed the Model Y. That said, the most exciting new car Tesla has in the works is without question the company’s next-gen Roadster.
Originally unveiled as a surprise announcement during the company’s Tesla Semi introduction a year ago, the second iteration of the Tesla Roadster is a bonafide speed demon. Elon Musk at the time made a point of noting that Tesla’s next-gen Roadster “will be the fastest production car ever made.” And when you look at the car’s specs, it’s easy to see why.
Don't Miss: Nothing will make your cable company angrier than this $44 box
Incredibly, the next-gen Roadster boasts a 0-60 MPH time of just 1.9 seconds and a 0-100 MPH time of 4.2 seconds. What’s more, the car boasts a top speed that eclipses the 250 MPH threshold and, as a nice cherry on top, can drive upwards of 620 miles on a single charge.
As impressive as that all sounds, a speedy car isn’t all that appealing if it doesn’t have the looks to match. And in that regard, Tesla’s next-gen Roadster delivers in a big way. The car’s design is unbelievably sleek and downright futuristic from front to back. It impressively features an eye-catching design without featuring some of the more obnoxious features that we sometimes see on supercars.
Recently, Tesla’s next-gen Roadster made a surprise appearance at an exhibition event held at the ArtCenter College of Design in Los Angeles. As a point of interest, Tesla chief designer Franz von Holzhausen is an alumni of the school.
Tesla’s Roadster doesn’t make many public appearances, so any opportunity to catch a glimpse of this speed demon is always welcome. Below are a few of the shots that made the rounds on Instagram.
https://apple.news/AXXJKFa05TKWZNhkequNUmQ
James Daulton
Footballguy
Really thinking about a Model 3. Perhaps not the performance one but the AWD one. Should run around $50k.
But I don't think I can pull the trigger before Dec 31st, so I lose half the $7,500 tax rebate, right?
But I don't think I can pull the trigger before Dec 31st, so I lose half the $7,500 tax rebate, right?
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whoknew
Footballguy
Just FYI - I have the rear wheel drive, large battery premium model. And it cost $53 or $54k.
Its my understanding that they are doing away with the large battery premium and just going with the small battery or the AWD model. I think when they quote low 50s for the AWD performance model, that's after tax rebate. The base for that model is like $62 or $64k.
jb1020
Footballguy
I'm anxious to see what the used inventory will be in a few years. The S has a few used options out there that seem reasonable. In 2020 I wonder what a Used X will run? Not that anyone here can answer that...with 2 kids and adding a 3rd soon I think I want the room.
In Mississippi of all places now has a tax on hybrid/electric vehicles. Apparently its to counter the lack of gas tax we pay. Any other guys have to deal with that? This is the first year and hybrids are $75 and electrics are $150. State says it plans to increase it every year.
In Mississippi of all places now has a tax on hybrid/electric vehicles. Apparently its to counter the lack of gas tax we pay. Any other guys have to deal with that? This is the first year and hybrids are $75 and electrics are $150. State says it plans to increase it every year.
culdeus
Footballguy
One of the things that will be interesting on the used Tesla market is that a lot of the major costs that ICE cars incur will not be present in an EV, but others will be.
The thing is as ICE cars depreciate towards the <$5k range their cost of ownership still approach that of a much newer car.
This may or may not be true for Teslas. As the battery packs deplete, they can be replaced. Electric motor drivers will last more or less forever, things like that.
A complete pack swap is a 5-figure expense. Do you drop that on a 8-10 year old car with degraded interiors? Things like that will factor a lot in the long term value of these things. What if replacement pack costs come way down?
The thing is as ICE cars depreciate towards the <$5k range their cost of ownership still approach that of a much newer car.
This may or may not be true for Teslas. As the battery packs deplete, they can be replaced. Electric motor drivers will last more or less forever, things like that.
A complete pack swap is a 5-figure expense. Do you drop that on a 8-10 year old car with degraded interiors? Things like that will factor a lot in the long term value of these things. What if replacement pack costs come way down?
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Guest
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Had a chance to ride in my BIL and sister's 3. I was impressed.
culdeus
Footballguy
Just took a look at CPO inventory. The S prices are coming down a lot.
I mean there is no way you'd see this for 40k a year ago.
https://www.tesla.com/used/LRPLHSBLS9ZO
I don't know what the breakeven mileage you would say is the rough equal of a Model 3. (i.e. a S with 50kmiles = Model 3) among other factors.
I mean there is no way you'd see this for 40k a year ago.
https://www.tesla.com/used/LRPLHSBLS9ZO
I don't know what the breakeven mileage you would say is the rough equal of a Model 3. (i.e. a S with 50kmiles = Model 3) among other factors.
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
Or the body will still rust out if it's in Minnesota. Have to duct tape the battery into the compartment when the battery shelf turns to rust.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You should check out Rich Rebuilds (ETA: YT channel) - dude from Massachusetts who rebuilt a flood Tesla (think it was Hurricane Sandy) for $6500. Ended up using the shell of the Sandy car, and bought two more totaled Tesla's at auction for the electronics and interior. Anyway, I think there's a few videos of him dropping the battery out of different salvage vehicles. It's insane how many bolts hold it in place - 1300 pounds - and I wanna say 100 bolts around the battery case.
So there are literally 100s of Tesla reviews on YouTube, but I kinda like this one I watched today because it's from a Model 3 Performance owner asking how well has the 2015 Model S has aged? (His 3 is at the Service Center and they gave him a 70D loaner.)
It's not a straight up comparison but I think this is a really common debate for prospective owners right now because of the similar price points:
- buy a used Model S that's 2-4 years old? or
- order a new Model 3
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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Currently actively debating a used S vs a new 3.
Foosball God
Foos
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Going to have to make a final decision soon. Shopping the S for the next week, and at that point if I haven't found THE one, then I'll need to decide if I'm holding out for that to materialize or put in the order for the 3 before the tax cr. is gone. I like them both. Pluses and minuses comparing them. Can't have best of both worlds, so leaning towards my preferred aesthetic atm.
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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
There's a 2015 S85 with 9k miles on it in Vegas. Gotta be a blue hair.
Foosball God
Foos
Otis
Footballguy
Game on, Tesla....this Audi looks awesome...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/29/audi-just-unveiled-its-challenge-to-the-tesla-model-s.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/29/audi-just-unveiled-its-challenge-to-the-tesla-model-s.html
James Daulton
Footballguy
While I like the 3 I also agree the S is nicer looking. For those who have driven both, what advantages does the 3 have over the S?
If I don't move, I will be buying one or the other by summer.
Worm
slimy ninja
Meh. It looks good, don't get me wrong, but no mention of cost or when it will be available for the public.
jb1020
Footballguy
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Audi and Rivian (those things look badass) are rolling out these new autos to go head to head with Tesla. Thats awesome, but none of these other companies have the nationwide supercharging network do they? And I don't think the others will be compatible with the Tesla.
I feel like I'm 2-3 years away from ordering one of these EV's, but Tesla would be the only option for me just so I can make a 400+ mile road trip.
Am I missing something? I know you can charge EV's at a lot of places, but if you wanted to recharge an EV thats not using a Tesla supercharger it would take hours.
I'd love to see the prices on a used Model X just because I have 2 kids now, but the added cost over the 3 makes a new 3 look like the way to go.
I feel like I'm 2-3 years away from ordering one of these EV's, but Tesla would be the only option for me just so I can make a 400+ mile road trip.
Am I missing something? I know you can charge EV's at a lot of places, but if you wanted to recharge an EV thats not using a Tesla supercharger it would take hours.
I'd love to see the prices on a used Model X just because I have 2 kids now, but the added cost over the 3 makes a new 3 look like the way to go.
culdeus
Footballguy
jb1020
Footballguy
I hadn't seen that. I heard SC's in most places are already overloaded.
Thats crazy if true. And that would make me lean Audi.
I know 98% of my driving would be around town and this would be a non issue. Just curious though.
jb1020
Footballguy
Looks like that claim is based on technology thats not readily available. I'm sure its something that can be built in your own garage, but charging that fast at the EV charge point at Whole Foods looks unlikely.
At least for now...
Fan of Charles McCoy
Footballguy
The Audi looks nice. But with a $78k starting price, it’s nothing more than a niche, competing against other high end luxuries brands. Which is great, don’t get me wrong as I’m all for getting off of oil.
Tesla is still top dog for semi affordable EVs and will be for the foreseeable future.
Tesla is still top dog for semi affordable EVs and will be for the foreseeable future.
Foosball God
Foos
This is short term imo. The big brands are slow, but they have better capability to do affordable EVs. I'm a fan of Tesla and I think they are a very big reason why EV is blooming, but I think they'll get boxed out eventually. They will be better focused making luxury EVs and building out their Super Charging network. I think the Super Charging network is their best potential for making money.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Porsche Taycon (Mission E) ####s on both the Audi and Tesla S.
Fan of Charles McCoy
Footballguy
Not to be argumentative, but does Audi make affordable gasoline vehicles? Like ones that start at $17k or so? My guess is Audi never will have a sub $50k EV. Making it a luxury and not a car for most people. That’s where Tesla shines, and will continue to build a huge base of owners/fans. I think Toyota, Honda are better positioned to sell boatloads of EVs at some point.Foosball God said:
Foosball God
Foos
Audi is VW's luxury brand. For that matter Porsche is also owned by VW. Technology will work its way over and be applied to more affordable vehicles and there is rumor about a Ford and VW partnership in the EV space. GM already makes a good affordable EV in the Bolt, it isn't yet on par with a Tesla but it is good. If you think that the big companies are just going to leave that space to Tesla then I think you are mistaken. Short term, next 5 years, I think Tesla does well with the Model 3, but they haven't yet shown they can reliably produce vehicles on a mass scale.
Fan of Charles McCoy
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
They are and they aren't. They share certain economies of scale, but for all intents develop their cars independently.
Foosball God
Foos
They drive off the same platforms. Of course there are engineering differences, but the underlying platform is shared across VW brands including Audi.
culdeus
Footballguy
Most of these partnerships are to develop battery packs with Anhui (Ford) and SAIC (GM)/BAIC (VW). Something they already do for the china market. Idea being they buy the pack in china and connect it in final assembly in the US or wherever.
Foosball God
Foos
This is a new partnership they are talking about. https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/01/ford-volkswagen-to-partner-on-electric-autonomous-cars/
culdeus
Footballguy
The investments/partnerships are getting factory space and capacity and signing over R/D expenses.
Keep in mind that China government is putting out Billions if not Trillions in dollars of incentives so Big-3 and EU companies are getting a lot out of these partnerships.
The scale the factories that are going in Anhui is staggering. China is NOT ####### around here. The long game here is not getting a EV for every soccer mom with a fresh botox. They are going for the lower end of the scale.
Foosball God
Foos
It feels like we're talking across different things. Are you saying you don't think that big auto will bring affordable EV to the US because they will be focusing on the Chinese market?
culdeus
Footballguy
No, and keep in mind I am exceptionally close to this industry.
China is THE player right now. They are bringing capacity and incentives to the market.
EU and US players in this space would be stupid not to partner with China and get their R/D bought and paid for, plus get the packs made. What will end up happening is your GM and Ford will get the same packs that get deployed in China on a different rail. This is already happening with several EU firms. They get their packs made by Samsung or LG and the same pack pops up in 3-4 different compliance cars in the EU.
The US consumer doesn't really understand how the battery pack here is a commodity. They see these "deals" and don't really understand what the deals are for. The partnerships are really nothing more than an agreement to buy the engines from Mexico as if it was a Tacoma truck.
The most public example is the SAIC-GM partnership. They are building cheap cars in China to beta test the pack technology, then will fold that tech into their front line US vehicles when the factories are ramped and mature. Ford/VW are doing the same thing. It will just take time and effort to see these show up as finished cars in the US. The demands here are higher, clearly.
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Insoxicated
Our latest charger pumps out juice at 3x the rate of Tesla Superchargers (350kw or 200km/150mi range in 8 mins) but unfortunate no cars can handle that much power just yet.
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joffer
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