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Eli Manning to suck in the NFL (1 Viewer)
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Yenrub
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culdeus
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This needs a bump too.GD*B the TGUNZ curse.
Leroy Hoard
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Child Psychologist Says Youngest Manning Sibling Acting Out to Get Attention
Little Eli Manning, the youngest of Archie and Olivia Manning’s three sons, continues to display poor behavior in public because he craves attention and a separate identity from that of his older brothers, says the child’s psychologist.
“We are at our wit’s end with Elisha,” says Archie. “Peyton and Cooper are such good boys, especially Peyton. But Eli … where to begin.”
On the heels of an embarrassing four interception performance in a loss to the Vikings on Sunday – with three of those picks being returned for touchdowns – that saw their son splashed all over the New York papers, Mr. and Mrs. Manning are desperate for any measure that will help their son – and uphold the family reputation.
“A mother’s love overlooks the worst sins,” says Mrs. Manning. “But four picks? At home? To the Vikings? And if that was all of it, that would be one thing. But there’s the constant inaccuracy, the total lack of improvement, the absence of leadership. Every time I watch Eli play it just breaks my heart to know that is my son out there doing all that.”
The parents hope little Eli will soon realize he has their complete love and attention and put an end to his cycle of misbehavior.
“Dr. McAndrews, the psychologist we’ve been taking Eli to, says Eli is merely trying to get out of the huge shadow cast by Peyton, a successful quarterback, and Cooper, who has been successful in the business world,” says Archie Manning. “She says youngest children often behave that way to prove they are different than their older siblings. Well, Eli, we get it. You’re different. You’re willing to throw to the wrong team over and over and over again. Okay. Now please stop.”
Mrs. Manning says she fears she and Archie are to blame.
“You just spend less time on the last child – it’s a simple fact,” she says. “You constantly dote on the first child, but by the time you get to the last one your attentions are spread thin and you almost let them raise themselves to a degree. That creates problems. For instance, Archie spent countless hours teaching Peyton and Cooper how to throw a football. But, clearly, he never spent any time teaching Eli how to throw a football. And now look what we have on our hands.”
Little Eli Manning, the youngest of Archie and Olivia Manning’s three sons, continues to display poor behavior in public because he craves attention and a separate identity from that of his older brothers, says the child’s psychologist.
“We are at our wit’s end with Elisha,” says Archie. “Peyton and Cooper are such good boys, especially Peyton. But Eli … where to begin.”
On the heels of an embarrassing four interception performance in a loss to the Vikings on Sunday – with three of those picks being returned for touchdowns – that saw their son splashed all over the New York papers, Mr. and Mrs. Manning are desperate for any measure that will help their son – and uphold the family reputation.
“A mother’s love overlooks the worst sins,” says Mrs. Manning. “But four picks? At home? To the Vikings? And if that was all of it, that would be one thing. But there’s the constant inaccuracy, the total lack of improvement, the absence of leadership. Every time I watch Eli play it just breaks my heart to know that is my son out there doing all that.”
The parents hope little Eli will soon realize he has their complete love and attention and put an end to his cycle of misbehavior.
“Dr. McAndrews, the psychologist we’ve been taking Eli to, says Eli is merely trying to get out of the huge shadow cast by Peyton, a successful quarterback, and Cooper, who has been successful in the business world,” says Archie Manning. “She says youngest children often behave that way to prove they are different than their older siblings. Well, Eli, we get it. You’re different. You’re willing to throw to the wrong team over and over and over again. Okay. Now please stop.”
Mrs. Manning says she fears she and Archie are to blame.
“You just spend less time on the last child – it’s a simple fact,” she says. “You constantly dote on the first child, but by the time you get to the last one your attentions are spread thin and you almost let them raise themselves to a degree. That creates problems. For instance, Archie spent countless hours teaching Peyton and Cooper how to throw a football. But, clearly, he never spent any time teaching Eli how to throw a football. And now look what we have on our hands.”
dparker713
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Wow, talk about over reacting. It was a bad game, and Eli isnt a top QB, but he's hardly dogmeat. He's only got one receiver with good hands, and its obvious that Droughns is done as a feature back in this league. Top that with Burress having no business being on the field, and Eli isnt exactly surrounded by an all-star group atm.
tommyGunZ
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Hasn't Eli thrown the most TD passes of any NFL QB through his first 3 years, or something like that?culdeus said:This needs a bump too.GD*B the TGUNZ curse.
Hasn't Eli thrown the most TD passes of any NFL QB through his first 3 years, or something like that?culdeus said:This needs a bump too.GD*B the TGUNZ curse.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
I don't know what was more phophetic the OP's prediction of Manning's suckage or Night Hawk's premonition of Sean Taylor's death!
Sweeper
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Huh? Link?
nygiants56
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Still , there's no excuse for completing 4 passes to the guys wearing the other jerseys, 3 of which were run back for TD.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Including on one play, locking onto the receiver like his eyes were a tractor beam. Freaking rookie ####### move.Still , there's no excuse for completing 4 passes to the guys wearing the other jerseys, 3 of which were run back for TD.
dparker713
Footballguy
2 of those were quite possibly the wrong route by the receiver, and 1 was tipped. Now, he played badly, but the entire team stunk up the joint. Fact of the matter is, he's just not the kind of player that will elevate the play of his teammates, but he's hardly as bad as people make him out to be.Still , there's no excuse for completing 4 passes to the guys wearing the other jerseys, 3 of which were run back for TD.
AnonymousBob
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He's no Phillip Rivers.
Mr. Pickles
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I'll take some apologies via PM. Thanks.
dparker713
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They won today, didnt they? He's hardly folded like a cheap suit, he's just not a Pro-Bowler. He is a middle of the pack starter in the league on a team that has a very shakey set of skill position players atm.
Chadstroma
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Wow.... Mr Pickles has a crystal ball that actually works!!!
Mr. Pickles
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My we've tempered our expectations..16 of 27, 195 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 63.0 ratingOh, and don't forget about that big W too.I guess that's a reasonable performance if you're, say, Tavaris Jackson, but it's not the line you expect from a Manning. And speaking of the Vikings, quite a show Eli put on with the Minnesota secondary last week.Totals on the season: 58.5 comp%, 2571 yards, 17 TD, 17 INT, 74.2 rating. Oof.Let's face it: he's not getting any better. We might be seeing the best he's got right now. For all of the hype, color me enormously unimpressed.. yet totally unsurprised. The writing was on the wall, and some of you should be flat-out ashamed of yourselves.
FavreCo
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No can do. Reversing my opinion. Eli is a stud.
Marched the Giants down the field in the hurry up with no interference from the Gilbride suckage. Something is not right with that picture when the QB can call the plays and hual ### down the field after sucking the whole game with plays called by the OC.
maxwell1295
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He did the same thing at Ole Miss. Some will go as far as to say that he was the OC at Ole Miss. I think he changed the play at the line at least 50% of the time.No can do. Reversing my opinion. Eli is a stud.
cobalt_27
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He's no Vince Young.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Good call by Aaron here.I'd really like to see Eli surrounded by a different coaching staff before I'm convinced he isn't any good. Maybe in a different city as well.
Despyzer
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The announcers kept harping on the fact that Eli went 5 for 7 during those last two scoring drives. I was thinking that limiting Eli to just seven attempts in two drives might have had something to do with keeping those drives alive.
Koya
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For all of Eli's issues - and there are plenty - the guy does have the ability to nut up and get it done when the game is on the line in the fourth. I tell you, if the guy just had different manuerisms and facial expressions, we might be talking about a "young gunslinger who definately gets himself and his team in trouble too often, but can make the big play when it matters" - instead we are left with a kid that looks confused and inspires no confidence.
I think the truth lay somewhere in between... and as much as Eli has frustrated Giants fans over the past couple of seasons, there aren't that many QBs I would absolutely take ahead of him. Rivers is no better imo. Cutler has his moments - and his moments. Big Ben is a winner, and much better at this point without question... but even Carson Palmer has me seriously questioning just how good he is... with all those weapons the guy has done very little in terms of winning football over the past couple years (don't get me wrong, Id still take Palmer over eli without question, but Palmer is not nearly on the level many of us were ready to place him last year and the beginning of this).
I think the truth lay somewhere in between... and as much as Eli has frustrated Giants fans over the past couple of seasons, there aren't that many QBs I would absolutely take ahead of him. Rivers is no better imo. Cutler has his moments - and his moments. Big Ben is a winner, and much better at this point without question... but even Carson Palmer has me seriously questioning just how good he is... with all those weapons the guy has done very little in terms of winning football over the past couple years (don't get me wrong, Id still take Palmer over eli without question, but Palmer is not nearly on the level many of us were ready to place him last year and the beginning of this).
dparker713
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Actually, you seem to be the one shifting the goal posts. His numbers dont show him to be folding like a cheap suit, as you claimed he would. I never claimed he was the second coming. At the time, I wanted the Giants to take Roethlisberger, keep their picks and save some cap room. Is he a disappointment as the #1 overall pick? Yes. Is he a complete bust? No. The kid can play in this league, he just cant carry a team on his shoulders. He is no where near Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch territory. If you'd actually watched the past couple of Giants game, you'd see a team that has one reliable receiver - Toomer. Burress is clearly hobbled and needs to sit out to heal up, and even when healthy he has suspect hands. Shockey is highly overrated by the press, and he has horrible hands. Sinorice Moss is a complete non factor. And the promising Steve Smith is out. Top that off with the running back injuries, and the Giants offense that was posting big numbers early in the season just isnt the same.
Mr. Pickles
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I saw the game against the Vikes. His best receivers were on the other team.If you're suggesting he doesn't have WR talent, why does he give up so many picks? Frustration?We have the data. It's not looking good here.
Avery
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Not discounting Eli's inconsistencies, but the Giants offensive coaching staff during Eli's time in the NFL (Huffnagel and Gilbride) and their schemes would make Eli's older brother look like an average NFL QB.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
As a Niners fan, I'd love to have Eli as our qb.
Koya
Footballguy
This sentiment, which is certainly felt not only in SF, should not be forgotten.Two words my fellow Giants fans: Dave Brown.Two more: Kent Graham. I mean, Kerry Collins was a near savior for gods sake.
Avery
Footballguy
My stomach just turned when I read those names.Danny Kannell anyone?
Koya
Footballguy
And to think this town never did appreciate Simms as much as they should have (not even the coach, who has shown himself over the years to maybe not be the genius we once thought he was outside of his true genius in putting together a staff). I remember turning on the TV on a Sunday. No sunday ticket. No other options. No internet to kill time on. This was it, Giants football then thinking about school or whatever the next day.And at the helm? Take your pick during those years. It was like David Carr's less productive brother out there.
Intergalactic Kegger
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I have a hard time equating Eli Manning's career with "sucking". Ryan Leaf sucked. Akili Smith Sucked. Dan McGwire sucked. Kyle Boeller sucks. Eli Manning? He's already produced far more than sucky QBs in the NFL. If his career ended right now he wouldn't be a sucky QB.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Those guys all sucked a LOT. There are degrees of suck.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Eli doesn’t suck like Leaf per se, but he certainly isn’t living up to the hype or to the price that the Giants paid to get him. I thought it was a terrible trade when they made it and still hate it to this day.
jonessed
Footballguy
Don't know about this new crew of yours. They seem a bit skittish. Probably shouldn't tell 'em what happened to the last crew.
dparker713
Footballguy
The first couple of picks seemed like the receiver ran the wrong route. Then, Eli started to suck it up. Of course, the game was entirely on his shoulders at that point and he's not all that good in those situations. But whatever you think of those two interceptions to start the game, there is plenty of blame to go around for that last loss. The running game was non existant and the defense and special teams were nothing to write home about. And when the receivers and Eli arent on the same page, that will lead to picks on many of the timing routes in this offense. Add that without a healthy Burress, the Giants have no one that can challenge the defense vertically. In that situation, defenses can squat on routes and have an easier time picking balls off. Eli isnt a major problem on the Giants. He's mediocre, but he's proven capable of winning in this league. The RB injures, a hobbled Burress, lack of a 3rd WR, and Shockey are all bigger problems with the offense. And while the defense is able to create sacks, they havent created turnovers and the linebackers need a serious upgrade, especially with Kiwanuka out. Dont even get me started on Tynes and the special teams. Oh yeah, other than Spagnola, I'd trade the whole coaching staff too.
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redman
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Liquid Tension
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I see this different. I see that Mr. Pickles said Eli Manning would suck and Mr. Pickles is clearly wrong. if you still think he sucks than you don't understand the game of football. Now if you use the work suck to mean average or slightly above average then you would be correct.The Giants OL is bad at pass protecting. They are bottom 3rd and probably bottom 1/4. they are a good run blocking unit. Now look at the receivers. Plax is a weapon, but he is extremely hobbled this year. Toomer is one of the worst #2 WR's in the league, if not the worst. They have no #3 WR otherwise Toomer would not be playing. Steve Smith will be good, but he has been injured all year. the TE is slowed from a million injuries (now out) and does not get separation. in fact, if anyone ever watches a Giant game, Eli gets his head handed to almost every play and he is throwing to receivers that get NO separation. Even the backs out of backfield can't catch. Eli is fine at QB. he is not an elite QB, but I find him to be above average and if were given some tools would be even better. I have yet to see a QB play well when he is constantly getting creamed. People who say he is a wimp are clueless as he stands in there and gets popped just to deliver the ball. He gets some happy feet and throws off his back foot more than he should, but most of the time it is from necessity as there is no place to step up and throw. The Giants problem is staying healthy and getting some speed on offense as they are slow!
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I'm usually one of the people defending Eli but it really depends on what you mean by "suck". He was the #1 overall pick and has never had a QB rating over 77 for a season over the course of three and a half seasons. If you take into consideration he was the #1 pick and is paid like it I don't think you could describe that performance as average. If you take into consideration what the franchise gave up to get him then yeah, he might suck.I expect him to have several good years when he's surrounded by different coaches and in a different city but he hasn't proven he can have a QB rating of better than 77 yet. People say Rivers "sucks" and he's had QB ratings of 92 and 80 in his two seasons as a starter. Plus he didn't cost the franchise nearly as much to acquire as Manning cost the NYG.It all depends on what your expectations are when you apply the term "sucks".
Kerry Collins at his best as a Giant was better than Eli is now. He is the 3rd best QB from the draft after Roethlisberger and Rivers.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
You could actually make a pretty strong argument he's been the fifth best QB in the 2004 draft.pick'04/player/career QB rating1/Manning/734/Rivers/8611/Roethlisberger/9322/Losman/7790/Schaub/81 ** To be fair you also have to remember Schaub has really only gotten significant playing time in about 13 games. But in those 13 games he's been impressive.
Avery
Footballguy
Eli has not played well. That is not an arguable point.
Not to make excuses for him, but as we all know, a lot goes into whether a QB is successful or not beyond his inherent physical skills and football intellect.
The offensive system that he has played under with Huffnagel and Gilbride has clearly stunted his growth.
It is a system that seems to be complex for the sake of being complex and does not take advantage of what is working against a defense. That is not only from a fans point of view but I've heard more than a couple of ex-QB announcers say as much as well. (Don't ask me to link it, I've just heard it talked about before.)
Also, the Giants do not have a defense or offensive players that can match up against what Rivers or Big Ben have to work with. We all know this is a team game.
What I'm saying is that while his play clearly is in the "sucks" category, I still believe that he has the physical skills and football intellect to be in the "very good" category if the Giants organization can give his coaches and teammates who will support his skills.
Well, maybe I am making excuses for him but I think there is at least some legitimacy to it. :X
Not to make excuses for him, but as we all know, a lot goes into whether a QB is successful or not beyond his inherent physical skills and football intellect.
The offensive system that he has played under with Huffnagel and Gilbride has clearly stunted his growth.
It is a system that seems to be complex for the sake of being complex and does not take advantage of what is working against a defense. That is not only from a fans point of view but I've heard more than a couple of ex-QB announcers say as much as well. (Don't ask me to link it, I've just heard it talked about before.)
Also, the Giants do not have a defense or offensive players that can match up against what Rivers or Big Ben have to work with. We all know this is a team game.
What I'm saying is that while his play clearly is in the "sucks" category, I still believe that he has the physical skills and football intellect to be in the "very good" category if the Giants organization can give his coaches and teammates who will support his skills.
Well, maybe I am making excuses for him but I think there is at least some legitimacy to it. :X
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
I agree with regard to coaching but the Giants have an above average defense this season, had an above average defense in '05 and all three of them have played with pro-bowl RB's. I don't think Eli's receivers are any worse than the receivers SD/PIT have had. SD's OL had one good season but has been very poor this season. I don't think PIT's pass blocking has been all that great since Ben came into the league, it just takes more than one defender to tackle him.If you look at the group I posted I think Losman has played the best with the weakest supporting cast. He put up a passer rating of 85 without much to work with besides Lee Evans.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
First QB rating is not a very good judgment for rating QB's. Guys that dink and dunk will always have better ratings (Chad Pennington is the God of that). But, your point about expectations is correct. the problem is that when analyzing a player expectation doesn't mean anything. Either he is a top 15 QB or he isn't; the rest is all about the value of the guy. For the large signing bonus he was paid and what they gave up his value was/is not good. But, he is a capable QB and has made the playoffs every year and is an above Average QB.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I would take Eli over Rivers. Rivers would look HORRIBLE if he had the talent around him the Giants do. Further, the weather in SD is a lot nicer than Eli plays is and the very weak arm of Rivers would make it look worse.
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