Eli Manning to suck in the NFL (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

[mannings are stats whores and not winners.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. I'm for you.

The guy has a point. What's the biggest game any Manning has ever won?

Let's see. Ben Roethlisberger sucked in his first 2 playoff games. His team carried him in a win over the Jets, and he got blown out by NE. This was Eli's first playoff game. Peyton has won several big playoff games already (any playoff game is big). How many Super Bowls did Marino win? The jury is still out on how many Peyton will win. Also, and again, Peyton didn't defend Lamar Smith running for 200 on them in the playoffs, or the 200 George put on them. He also didn't play defense in that 41-0 loss to the NYJ, or miss that kick the idiot liquored up kicker missed against the Dolphins.

lots of excuses here.by your avatar i can tell you are completely unbiased.

Maybe I look at his short career as being successful so far. How many QBs get to win a Super Bowl? How many playoff teams has Manning been the starting QB in his short career? How many good defenses has he had during his short career?Edited to say, back to Eli. It was his first playoff game. Give the guy a break. Like I said, Roethlisberger sucked in his firt 2 playoff games.

 

[TheLaw]

[mannings are stats whores and not winners.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. I'm for you.

The guy has a point. What's the biggest game any Manning has ever won?

Let's see. Ben Roethlisberger sucked in his first 2 playoff games. His team carried him in a win over the Jets, and he got blown out by NE. This was Eli's first playoff game. Peyton has won several big playoff games already (any playoff game is big). How many Super Bowls did Marino win? The jury is still out on how many Peyton will win. Also, and again, Peyton didn't defend Lamar Smith running for 200 on them in the playoffs, or the 200 George put on them. He also didn't play defense in that 41-0 loss to the NYJ, or miss that kick the idiot liquored up kicker missed against the Dolphins.

lots of excuses here.by your avatar i can tell you are completely unbiased.

Maybe I look at his short career as being successful so far. How many QBs get to win a Super Bowl? How many playoff teams has Manning been the starting QB in his short career? How many good defenses has he had during his short career?Edited to say, back to Eli. It was his first playoff game. Give the guy a break. Like I said, Roethlisberger sucked in his firt 2 playoff games.

Big Ben is also 1-2 years younger than Eli and was a rookie. Big Ben had played a full college schedule, did all his workouts, mini-camp, training camp, and a full season without time off - he clearly had a dead arm. Both QBs had a true NFL off-season to get their minds and bodies right this time. Last season Eli had one single good game accompanied by a nice 4th quarter drive in the final game of the season. Based on his final few games and that drive, everybody had him pegged as the next coming of his brother. Now with his horrible December and playoff fiasco, will those same fans now say he is Heath Shuler or just move the blinders around and keep thinking Eli is going to be a "great QB??" Dont compare Ben to Eli, because there is no comparison.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dont compare Ben to Eli, because there is no comparison.

Sure there is when comparing their career's so far. Eli sucked in his first playoff game, and Ben sucked in his first two. They were both drafted in the same year, so they will always be compared to each other.

 

[Jason Wood]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

 

[roadkill1292]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.

There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.

Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

Logic and common sense isn't gonna cut it with the Manning haters.

 

[bagger.]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.

There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.

Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

Potential is a word to describe people who have not achieved success.

 

[JohnnyU]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.

There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.

Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

Potential is a word to describe people who have not achieved success.

What would you call someone who labels a playoff QB a loser in his 2nd season?

 

[lod2005]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.

There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.

Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

Potential is a word to describe people who have not achieved success.

What would you call someone who labels a playoff QB a loser in his 2nd season?

'tard'.

 

[shadyridr]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.

There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.

Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

These Giants fans throwing Eli under the bus are sickening.

 

[Tom Servo]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.

There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.

Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

Potential is a word to describe people who have not achieved success.

What would you call someone who labels a playoff QB a loser in his 2nd season?

With respect to Sunday's game = accurateWith respect to Eli's career = premature

 

[yetiknight]

Eli is what he appears to be...a very talented young QB who hsa the POTENTIAL to be a Pro-Bowl caliber thrower but most assuredly has flaws in his game that he needs to proactively fix in order to get to that level.

There's no reason Giants fans should think Manning can't be their franchise QB for a long time, but there's no reason fans of other NFC East teams should tremble in fear at the prospect of facing Manning twice a year either.

Time will tell but right now, he's an OK QB with a very high upside.

These Giants fans throwing Eli under the bus are sickening.

Giants fan here.I haven't gotten over that debacle yet. I will take at least a week to completely hate on every member of that team(with few exceptions). "They" could not have played worse. Eli is just one example of someone stealing a playoff paycheck. If you would have asked me yesterday, I would have fired everyone and started from scratch.

 

[SaosiN]

he sucked yesterday... eww, i didn't know he was that horrible.. i don't see many giant games unless its one of the MNF or SNF games but he sucked bad

 

[jurb26]

I have to say, Eli does look like a very promising young QB. At the same time though, history for the Manning family does not look good on the playoff/big game front. Is it possible that these guys just lack "it?" Whatever "it" is in the playoffs. I almost feel like this is an Austin Powers movie and the Mannings are after Tom Brady's mojo.

 

[joffer]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

[surferskin]

i think Eli's biggest obstacle to becoming a good QB is getting over his fear when the pocket collaspes. i think that's the biggest difference between peyton and his baby brother...peyton never really had the problem of getting scared and throwing off his back foot all the time.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

he sucked yesterday... eww, i didn't know he was that horrible.. i don't see many giant games unless its one of the MNF or SNF games but he sucked bad

voice of reason.eli apologists?

 

[Warsteinner]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

What is the collective Manning record in the postseason?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Let's take a look at 2005:

CMP  ATT  YDS   CMP%  YPA   LNG TD  INT  SACK  RAT294  557  3762  52.8  6.75  78  24  17   28    75.9

Only good stats here are the raw yards and TDs. Too many INTs and a pretty sad sack passer rating. 52.8% completion is Michael Vick territory.I'd give it one and a half stars. Problem is, it's a long hard fall from here.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I have to say, Eli does look like a very promising young QB. At the same time though, history for the Manning family does not look good on the playoff/big game front. Is it possible that these guys just lack "it?" Whatever "it" is in the playoffs. I almost feel like this is an Austin Powers movie and the Mannings are after Tom Brady's mojo.

Someone forgot to tell the Broncos and Chiefs that Manning doesn't have "it".

 

[Chase Stuart]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

What is the collective Manning record in the postseason?

No disrespect to the Patriots intended, but the Mannings are 3-6 in the post-season.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Anyone surprised by Eli's accuracy didn't bother watching him in college.

I saw him play in person twice, and on TV at least 10 times.

He was ALWAYS very accurate, especially on the move.

I have no doubt, and never had a doubt, that he will succeed in the NFL.

You have just described Danny Wuerffel.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Lets bump this one to the top. Pickles =

ELI MANNING!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, let's bump this.

 

[Warsteinner]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

What is the collective Manning record in the postseason?

No disrespect to the Patriots intended, but the Mannings are 3-6 in the post-season.

3-6 is pretty good.

 

[bagger.]

I have to say, Eli does look like a very promising young QB.  At the same time though, history for the Manning family does not look good on the playoff/big game front.  Is it possible that these guys just lack "it?"  Whatever "it" is in the playoffs.  I almost feel like this is an Austin Powers movie and the Mannings are after Tom Brady's mojo.

Someone forgot to tell the Broncos and Chiefs that Manning doesn't have "it".

What does that have to do with anything?We are talking about winning championships. Please try to stay on point here.

 

[bagger.]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

What is the collective Manning record in the postseason?

No disrespect to the Patriots intended, but the Mannings are 3-6 in the post-season.

3-6 is pretty good.

0.333 is good if manning was a leadoff hitter for the braves.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

The Mannings are not elite performers in the clutch. Just one more example today.

 

[lod2005]

I could care less what Eli does after week 17. The FFL season doesn't go past that buddy. I'll take the 24 TD passes all day long. You can blabber until you are blue in the face about Eli as he racks up the TD's for me.

 

[ICON211]

The Mannings are not elite performers in the clutch. Just one more example today.

 

[Texasmouth]

I hate Eli Manning because of the draft crap. I hope he succeeds up to the point where a lot is expected of him and then he craps the bed. Can't stand the guy.

 

[bagger.]

The Mannings are not elite performers in the clutch. Just one more example today.

 

[redman]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

What is the collective Manning record in the postseason?

No disrespect to the Patriots intended, but the Mannings are 3-6 in the post-season.

3-7.

 

[Koya]

I have to say, Eli does look like a very promising young QB. At the same time though, history for the Manning family does not look good on the playoff/big game front. Is it possible that these guys just lack "it?" Whatever "it" is in the playoffs. I almost feel like this is an Austin Powers movie and the Mannings are after Tom Brady's mojo.

How about we take each player on their own merits. Eli had some unbelievable ups this year, and some significant downs - especially that last game.He is a young, very talented QB who has shown that he needs some work on fundamentals but also has the ability to lead a team at the end of games.

The one thing he showed in college that Peyton has not shown, is the ability to win a big game (as I recall, he was able to do this in college, although granted, the stage was not the same as Florida-Tenn) and even since, he has had an exceptionally even keel and disposition.

Now, is it possible that the family let down trait will hurt eli. I won't hold his first ever playoff game against a great defense against him without context.

Obviously, however, if the Giants have a nother promising regular season next year and Eli does not perform, he will certainly be open for the same criticism that his brother has earned.

 

[bagger.]

What big game did Eli win?The Poulan Weedeater Chattanooga Bowl versus Cincinnati?

 

[Joe Bryant]

What big game did Eli win?

The Poulan Weedeater Chattanooga Bowl versus Cincinnati?

Hi Bagger,For a school that had been as downtrodden as Ole Miss, a 10-3 season in 2003 with a win in the Cotton Bowl is a huge game.

Lots of great players from less than marquee schools win big games that are "big" to the team but not necessarily a game in the national spotlight.

J

 

[bagger.]

What big game did Eli win?

The Poulan Weedeater Chattanooga Bowl versus Cincinnati?

Hi Bagger,For a school that had been as downtrodden as Ole Miss, a 10-3 season in 2003 with a win in the Cotton Bowl is a huge game.

Lots of great players from less than marquee schools win big games that are "big" to the team but not necessarily a game in the national spotlight.

J

Good point. He did take Ole Miss to a great bowl game (the Cotton Bowl unfortunately lost a lot of the luster with the advent of the BCS).I really don't remember who they played and I am sure it was a big win for that school. However, I was referring to winning a big game in the national spotlight such as a BCS game.

With Eli going to Ole Miss it was probably too much to expect Eli getting that team to a BCS game due to his surrounding talent so we haven't seen if he can get to the big game or not.

There just seems to be a lot of hype about this family when they have never won a championship between the two brothers and the father.

I was not trying to diminish the accomplishment of Eli taking an Ole Miss team to the Cotton Bowl, a noteworthy feat. It's just not a championship.

 

[Capella]

They beat Oklahoma State by 3 points in that Cotton Bowl.Not really a 'big game win' in my book.

 

[Pat Patriot]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

What is the collective Manning record in the postseason?

No disrespect to the Patriots intended, but the Mannings are 3-6 in the post-season.

You are such a loser. Pathetic really.

 

[biglare66]

What big game did Eli win?

The Poulan Weedeater Chattanooga Bowl versus Cincinnati?

Hi Bagger,For a school that had been as downtrodden as Ole Miss, a 10-3 season in 2003 with a win in the Cotton Bowl is a huge game.

Lots of great players from less than marquee schools win big games that are "big" to the team but not necessarily a game in the national spotlight.

J

Good point. He did take Ole Miss to a great bowl game (the Cotton Bowl unfortunately lost a lot of the luster with the advent of the BCS).I really don't remember who they played and I am sure it was a big win for that school. However, I was referring to winning a big game in the national spotlight such as a BCS game.

With Eli going to Ole Miss it was probably too much to expect Eli getting that team to a BCS game due to his surrounding talent so we haven't seen if he can get to the big game or not.

There just seems to be a lot of hype about this family when they have never won a championship between the two brothers and the father.

I was not trying to diminish the accomplishment of Eli taking an Ole Miss team to the Cotton Bowl, a noteworthy feat. It's just not a championship.

The Cotton Bowl lost a lot of luster when the Big 12 was founded. And reflecting on the Big 12 creation, both the North and the South teams from the conference had some huge wins in Bowls this year. Mizzou's dramatic comeback win over the Gamecocks was amazing. Of course the Horns in the Rose Bowl, and did you see the end of the Nebraska game? Holy smokes!But to get back on topic, both Manning's proved inferior under pressure. Peyton has worked very hard to overcome it, but he's shell shocked when faced with a good blitz. Did you see his feet yesterday? He was tap dancing like a black and white movie from the golden years. Reflecting on the year, I don't like their chances at winning a SuperBowl, now that the NFL defensive coordinators have them figured out.

 

[Nihilist Pig]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

You don't think heredity is a factor in their success or failure?At any one time, less than 100 people on a planet of several billion are NFL quarterbacks. Only 32 or so are starting NFL QB's. I'm not cracking out the calculator to do the percentages, but that number is so small that for all intents & purposes, your chances of becoming an NFL QB are statistically zero. That three starting NFL QB's have come from the same nuclear family in only two generations suggests a very strong hereditary edge has played a role in that success.

At the same time, clutch performance is very much a matter of psychology. And psychological traits have very strong family ties. Good ones and bad ones. If your father was abusive, there's a very real chance you'll be abusive. If your father was a drunk, there's a very real chance you'll be a drunk. If your father was an overachiever, there's a very real chance you'll be an overachiever. And it's not such a big stretch to say that if your father is a football success, but not really a football world-beater, you might exhibit the same traits. It might be a matter of inheritance, and it might be a matter of environment, but in either case, the makeup of all three of these guys is a product of Manning family life.

The tendency to come up small in the clutch shouldn't be dismissed as a possible family trait.

My old man was a white collar cubicle jockey. Frankly, I'd trade places with them in a heartbeat.

 

[TheLaw]

How bout that Big Ben guy? He is pretty good.

 

[joffer]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't think heredity is a factor in their success or failure?

nodefinitely a factor in biasing fans' opinions though

 

[gump]

what's really scary is how many of you mention the family name and pedigree having something to do with their success or failure and it sounds like you mean it.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't think heredity is a factor in their success or failure?

nodefinitely a factor in biasing fans' opinions though

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Heredity may not factor in their success...upbringing certainly does.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

God I hope people keep hating on Eli.

 

[BlueOnion]

I will come right out and say it, I have said from day 1 that Eli Manning will never be a legit pro quarterback.

Starting to save room for pie as I type.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not ready to put the bag on yet, but Eli has exceeded my expectations so far.

 

[houndirish]

So far, I wouldn't say Eli has sucked in the NFL. If anything, he's taken a big step forward in his second year. I can think of plenty of teams in the NFC that could use a QB as "horrible" as Eli.

 

[Tick]

I think people are getting a little bit ahead of themselves. He completed 52% of his passes this season... that's not so good yet.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

I think some perspective is in order... In just his 2nd year in the league and first full year as a starter ELI was 5th in passing yards and 4th in TD passes for the entire NFL. Consider how that compares vs. the elite QBs of the past 30 years (at the same stage in their careers):

Eli Manning

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

3762....52.8......24....17....75.9.....16 (16)...2

Peyton Manning

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

3739....56.7......26....28....71.2......16 (16)...1

4135....62.1......26....15....90.7......16 (16)...2

Carson Palmer

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

2897....60.9......18...18.....77.3......13 (13)...2

3836....67.8......32...12.....101.1....16 (16)...3

Tom Brady

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

2843....63.9......18...12.....86.5.....15 (14)...2

3764....62.1......28...14.....85.7.....16 (16)...3

Brett Favre

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

3227....64.1......18...13.....85.3.....15 (13)...2

3303....60.9......19...24.....72.2.....16 (16)...3

Donovan McNabb

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

3365....58.0......21...13.....77.8.....16 (16)...2

3233....57.8......25...12.....84.3.....16 (16)...3

Ben Roethlisberger

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

2621....66.4......17...11.....98.1.....14 (13)...1

2385....62.7......17...9.......98.6.....12 (12)...2

Daunte Culpepper

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

3937....62.7......33...16.....98.0......16 (16)...2

2612....64.2......14...13.....83.3......11 (11)...3

3853....60.7......18...23.....75.3......16 (16)...4

Joe Montana

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

1795....64.5......15...9.......87.8.....15 (7).....2

3565....63.7......19...12.....88.4.....16 (16)...3

Jim Kelly

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

3593....59.4......22...17.....83.3.....16 (16)...1

2798....59.7......19...11.....83.8.....12 (12)...2

3380....59.5......15...17.....78.2.....16 (16)...3

Dan Marino

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

2210....58.4......20...6.......96.0.....11 (9).....1

5084....64.2......48...17.....108.9...16 (16)...2

4137....59.3......30...21.....84.1.....16 (16)...3

John Elway

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

1683....47.5......7.....14.....54.9......11 (11)...1

2598....56.3......18...15.....76.8......15 (15)...2

3891....54.0......22...23.....70.2......16 (16)...3

Troy Aikman

Yards...Cmp%...TD...INT...Rating...Games...Year

1749....52.9......9.....18.....55.7.....11 (11)...1

2579....56.6......11...18.....66.6.....15 (15)...2

2754....65.3......11...10.....86.7.....12 (12)...3

3445....63.8......23...14.....89.5.....16 (16)...4

Clearly Eli stacks up VERY favorably.

To my mind he is ahead of the curve having progressed as well or better than could have been reasonably expected thus far.

He has shown himself to be cerebral, hard working and cool under pressure. His situation in NY is very stable. His offensive line is remains intact, all his weapons from last year are returning (Plaxico, Shockey, Tiki, Toomer) and the Giants added Sinorice Moss in the draft.

Based on the above I expect him to take a BIG leap in his second full year as a starter (and for his TD/INT ratio and accuracy/ completion % to improve dramatically).

 

[Sweetness_34]

One thing to be careful about while discussing Eli Manning. Last year he had the pleasure of playing against the NFC West and the AFC West. Teams like Denver, KC, SD were easier to pass on than run on. ALso, teams like Sea, SF, Arizona, Rams were sieves when it came to pass defense. If you look at his game splits (for eg 4 TDs against Rams I believe), you will see what I am saying.

This year the Giants will get the NFC South and AFC South. There are some weak defenses here too, but some of these teams have improved themselves on D this offseason - Texans (Mario W will help their pass D); Falcons (Milloy; John Abraham) while others like Panthers, Bucs, NO, Indy, Jags already had strong pass defenses last year.

The Giants also play Seattle and Bears (top defenses in their divisions).

 

[joffer]

he seems like he's doing ok to me

 

[Otis]

I know I don't usually post here, and no.. this isn't a fishing trip, but I think Eli Manning folds like a cheap suit in the NFL. Just doesn't seem to be the Peyton Jr. clone that everyone seems to make him out to be. Am I alone in this thinking?Will answer yours.