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If the NYG sign KWarner I would look to him to start this year and keep EManning on the bench to watch and learn for a year. He would be in a much better situation in 2005 as the starter.I actually think that with some assemblance of an O line KWarner could have a productive season and lead the Giants to a .500 record (which would be considered a good year).
I think Eli was the safest pick among the four qbs taken in the 1st rd, but not the highest upside of the 4. Eli will not be a bust, however he won't have the best career among the 4 either. He is the one most ready to start right away. I think Eli will struggle his rookie yr, but he will be a solid pro. The problem for the Giants is that if Eli is only a good starting qb and not great then they overpaid big time. The problem I have with the Giants decision to give up the moon for Eli is that they were not in the desperate position where they needed a rookie qb to start right away. They had a very solid qb in Collins and had the luxury of just staying at #4 or trading down and still get a great qb prospect to groom. Giants are not as good this yr with Eli at qb vs having Collins at qb and next yr they will not be as good with Eli at qb and no 1st rd pick vs having Rivers or Rotheslinger and their 1st rd pick. But as a Steelers fan I'm glad they did the trade.
Obviously this situation is not fully played out yet.Which is a better situation?Having EManning and also KCollins at his $7M price tag or having EManning and KWarner at a $1-2M price tag.The NYG could potentially wind up with an experienced starting QB this year (and a $5-6M savings) and a year for EManning to watch and learn before taking over next season.
name who you think was more of a sure thing. couch??? vick had/has BIG upside but had no guarantee and still has big injury concers.palmer? he would have been the third rated qb this year and still has one good college season to go by.who was the more sure bet at qb than manning... unless your textless reply has only lemming like manning envy hate as reason.
I think he will be too, just not this season. I was worried that Warner would come in, start the season and display what a washed up shell of his former self he is, and Manning would be the fans/media darling in NY for coming off the bench and being more competent at the position than the former MVP. Luckily it looks more and more like Eli is going to be thrown the the wolves from game #1 and if there is one place in the league the golden boy isn't going to get any slack it's in NY. A qb controversy certainly would help that NYG pick climb up the draft board. Especially if the team splits into a (veterans that hate Coughlin and are jealous of Eli's $) vs (young players that brown-nose both Coughlin/Manning because they know both will be around next season). By about mid season the NYG should be far enough behind PHI and DAL and the Jets should be far enough behind NE that the NY media won't have much else to cover but the NYG internal soap operas and the Knicks.
Link?Last I saw, the competition at QB is still a wide open affair. I haven't said anything that indicates that Coughlin is leaning more towards using Manning all year, rather than breaking him in over the course of the season.In fact, the last news item I saw from the blogger had this to say about the upcoming preseason opener tonight:
I would think LaDainian Tomlinson was a can't miss prospect in just about everyone's eyes.
CIN opted for Justin Smith CLE opted for Gerald Warren ARZ opted for Leonard Davis and ATL gave up quite a bit to choose Vick instead. I remember there were those that thought Tomlinson might be a product of the TCU veer offense, may not be able to run inside in the NFL, and may not have the size to be a franchise back.
Yeah, LT wasn't a sure thing. Plenty of people talked about what he couldn't do rather what he could do. A lot of "can't miss" guys are just those hyped up by the media anyway. Even Vick had naysayers who dismissed his accuracy. Eli is not a can't miss since QB is the toughest position to excel at and rarely does a player like Elway or Marino come along with everything you look for in a QB.The last can't miss was actually Robert Gallery, who everyone thought will be one of the best in the league. I have not heard a single negative against him - even til now.
As much as I like Gallery and think SD should have just drafted him and been done with it, I still question if he can "top out" at an Ogden-type level. Seems like he crawled up the draft board from being "one of the best OL prospects" to #1 OL in the draft after the season ended. The last "can't miss" prospects I remember people talking about when drafted were probably Pace and Bosselli. Seems like people were projecting them to be as good as they wanted to be and in a worse case scenario would JUST be a Pro-Bowler instead of All-League like they should be.
Um, not yet they arent. Fact is, Roths has been fantastic this year, and certainly has to be given the temporary nod. Just as much fact is the level of talent surrounding Roths, which is considerably more then the Giants - especially the O Line and WRs. So I wouldnt be calling out regrets yet - I would simply give props to Pitt for finding the right guy, and making a great, great move.
I know...I was just being a super-homer. That was tongue-in-cheek.That said, I wonder if the Giants wouldn't accept Roethlisberger and a first-rounder for Manning if the Steelers were to offer......
:rotflmao: Dan McGwire Jr, eh?
joff - he throws a very nice downfield ball and they seem to let him toss 2-4 every game. Yesterday, Manning placed a ball perfectly downfield on a bomb, which got the Giants a BIG pass interference call (had there not been interference, the ball was RIGHT in tyrees hands, or maybe it was another WR... )Until this week, I was VERY worried. You expect a rook to look bad, but Manning had been downright awful. I had the feeling in this game that the more Manning was playing, the more we saw him "get it" - because, ask my friends, I have been pretty down on Manning after being quite happy about the pick originally.Obviously it is too early to know - but yesterday at least gave us Giants fans some hope that Manning can fulfill his promise.Although Roths is certainly ahead of the game now, I wouldnt be surprised if 5 years down the road they are both excellent QBs. I wouldnt be surprised if Roths was outdone by manning even. Lets see how years 2-10 go down.YPA isn't very good, other than that a solid outingespecially with David Tyree as his primary target.wish they'd let him throw downfield a little more.
it was TyreeI thought he's looked better the last 3 weeks.joff - he throws a very nice downfield ball and they seem to let him toss 2-4 every game. Yesterday, Manning placed a ball perfectly downfield on a bomb, which got the Giants a BIG pass interference call (had there not been interference, the ball was RIGHT in tyrees hands, or maybe it was another WR... )Until this week, I was VERY worried. You expect a rook to look bad, but Manning had been downright awful. I had the feeling in this game that the more Manning was playing, the more we saw him "get it" - because, ask my friends, I have been pretty down on Manning after being quite happy about the pick originally.YPA isn't very good, other than that a solid outing
"Ouch."
MISTAKE
how about now?
JUMP
well sure, he's got another year under his belt. you liked what you saw in 2004? :(
Gutsiest call I ever saw, man.And dead wrong. Meh, throw it on the pile.
