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'Expert' Draft I just took part in... (2 Viewers)

Lets get back to the draft (Leave McNabb and Gonzo out!):

Lets hear some breakdowns on some of the other players taken, from just the first two rounds:

Round 1

1. RB1 LaDainian Tomlinson SD/10 Footballguys.com

2. RB2 Priest Holmes KC/5 FantasyFootballXtreme.com-Smitty

3. RB3 Shaun Alexander Sea/8 Rotodoc.com

4. RB9 Willis McGahee Buf/9 Huddlegeeks.com

5. RB4 Edgerrin James Ind/8 FantasyFootballXtreme.com-Goldy

6. QB1 Peyton Manning Ind/8 Askthecommish.com

7. WR1 Randy Moss Oak/5 Fantasyfootballgoldenboy.com

8. RB7 Clinton Portis Was/3 Fantasyfootballstarters.com

9. RB6 Deuce McAllister NO/10 Junkyardjake.com

10. RB8 Corey Dillon NE/7 Fantasyfootballadvantage.com

11. QB3 Donovan McNabb Phi/6 Fantasyfootballsearch.com

12. RB15 Jamal Lewis Bal/3 Rotoworld.com

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Round 2

13. RB14 Julius Jones Dal/9 Rotoworld.com

14. TE1 Tony Gonzalez KC/5 Fantasyfootballsearch.com

15. RB17 Ahman Green GB/6 Fantasyfootballadvantage.com

16. QB2 Daunte Culpepper Min/5 Junkyardjake.com

17. RB10 Rudi Johnson Cin/10 Fantasyfootballstarters.com

18. RB16 Curtis Martin NYJ/8 Fantasyfootballgoldenboy.com

19. RB11 Domanick Davis Hou/3 Askthecommish.com

20. RB5 Tiki Barber NYG/5 FantasyFootballXtreme.com-Goldy

21. WR2 Terrell Owens Phi/6 Huddlegeeks.com

22. WR4 Marvin Harrison Ind/8 Rotodoc.com

23. RB12 Kevin Jones Det/3 FantasyFootballXtreme.com-Smitty

24. RB13 Brian Westbrook Phi/6 Footballguys.com
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It all depends on personal preference. I found McAllister great value at 9 but I think he is going to have an exceptional season. On the flip side, I don't really like Willis McGahee at 4 overall due to the risk (young, inexperienced quarterback, past injury woes, defense may stack line of scrimmage daring Losman to beat them, etc). Kevin Jones at 23rd was absurd in my opinion. He should be top fifteen at the lowest. But all those picks are based on my own personal projections. Others who have different beliefs on those players could believe the exact opposite. That is simply debating a player's individual merit, not actual draft strategy which was pretty sound.

 
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Tiki Barber @ pick 20 overall, obvious steal, but we covered that one earlier.Some other, less obvious, steals IMO:51. Hines Ward71. Larry Fitzgerald97. Matt Hasselbeck (amazing value, he is a top 6-7 QB in my book)99. Plaxico Burress114. Brandon StokleySome players that went higher than they should have IMO:50. Larry Johnson, and that was by myself. Being I had Holmes, LJ was a must. It would have been insane to wait until pick 71 (my very next pick) to try and grab LJ - He just wouldn't have been there. I was happy getting Fitz at #71, as i mentioned above.52. Trent Green - Being that Hasselbeck was grabbed at pick 97, this kind of hindsight is 15-15.

 
The big difference here is the definition:value based drafting: comparing the player's value and where he is normally selected and drafting to try and beat this value.value pick: after 20/20 hindsight to see if the player turned out to actually be a value pick.When drafting, the value pick theory really has no help, now the value based drafting, even if the player turns out to not be a value pick is helpful to owners that want to have a plan of attack. Yes, football tosses in injuries, etc. that no one can predict but with projections and value based drafting an owner has a good idea of what will help his team and what won't. It's simply a guideline, for instance if Fred Taylor is the next highest value I would choose to pass on him to the next highest just because of my personal preference. Now how many people had to be passed on in value to get to McNabb or Gonzo, I don't know.I guess I could number my next 6 highest ranked players, roll a dice, select that player and if he turns out to be a value pick, i'm a genius, or I could use VBD to aim for someone that has the potential to be the value pick.But then again, this is why I play blackjack or poker and not roulette or the lottery.

 
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No, there could be someone that will reach for him in round one.
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And why would that be a reach? Because FBGs project it to be so? That's just arrogance.
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I don't know if it's arrogance. I mean I guess all of us are in thinking we can predict the future and even beating folks with a proverbial stick with our future predictions. In a way we make Miss Cleo look good if you think about it.The value based thinking here doesn't account for you loving a player's potential for the upcoming season. It's about each player having a set spot and you "sticking to your guns". By the end of the draft you're looking at a team with guys picked in the 8th that should have gone in the7th, guys in the 9th that should have also gone in the 7th and....you've got a better than expected team. It's elementary and there's alot of fault to it IMO.

However, you've got Maurile+Shick these friggin math whiz's adding probability formulas, Joe talking baselines, Clayton bumping people for their schedule strength, David and Doug(stat geeks) telling you the true statistical possibility of suchandsuch happening and along the way it gets ridiculously complex.

I don't use VBD and don't care for it. They do and GB em' for providing something to help others at their draft.

Stop short of creating a large debate we've done a zillion times. I like apples, these guys like oranges. Neither is wrong.

When Donovan McNabb is drafted in the first round(right? not scrolling back) a player that "should" have gone in the first falls to the second. When Tony G is drafted in the second round instead of the third a player that should have gone in the second falls to the third. If FFsearch took the fallen player, he'd have coverred his losses. He didn't though. Looking at his draft, you go thru alot fo picks until you feel like soandso was a sound pick at that point, how come he wasn't taken before that? I don't have any fault with loving McNabb's or Gonzalez's potential for 2005, not admitting you took someone early and counteracting that is the mistake though.

As for the ADP crud. Every league is different. Some have runs on QBs alot open with runs on RBs. Yep it's not perfect. You sit down and make a cheatsheet and unless you're drafting against robots, the other guys will pick out of turn. There's human thought here. No matter what though, you have to go into your draft with a guide or a map of some sort. An ADP list and a cheatsheet make pretty good guides to use as a starting point.

In theory, I suppose I could spend my first five rounds taking all 5th round ADP players and (as long as they each get 1000 yards rush rec or 3000 passing) be OK. In that sense you could say ADP is useless. Why would you do that though? Trent Green's a good QB but why throw away a shot at Manning? It's overkill it's going too much against the pack, it's....I dunno the right word, it's just pointless. Why do we have a first round then?

 
I also found Duece a great value at nine... I was hoping he was going to slip one more and I would get him at spot 10. Other first rounder I wouldn't have taken is Moss. He is a great player and has shown in the past that he can pick up a playbook quickly (his rookie year), but I think he is going to start the season struggling a bit. Different surroundings and a different QB. I have Moss rated as my number 4 WR this year.

 
No, there could be someone that will reach for him in round one.
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And why would that be a reach? Because FBGs project it to be so? That's just arrogance.
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I don't know if it's arrogance. I mean I guess all of us are in thinking we can predict the future and even beating folks with a proverbial stick with our future predictions. In a way we make Miss Cleo look good if you think about it.The value based thinking here doesn't account for you loving a player's potential for the upcoming season. It's about each player having a set spot and you "sticking to your guns". By the end of the draft you're looking at a team with guys picked in the 8th that should have gone in the7th, guys in the 9th that should have also gone in the 7th and....you've got a better than expected team. It's elementary and there's alot of fault to it IMO.

However, you've got Maurile+Shick these friggin math whiz's adding probability formulas, Joe talking baselines, Clayton bumping people for their schedule strength, David and Doug(stat geeks) telling you the true statistical possibility of suchandsuch happening and along the way it gets ridiculously complex.

I don't use VBD and don't care for it. They do and GB em' for providing something to help others at their draft.

Stop short of creating a large debate we've done a zillion times. I like apples, these guys like oranges. Neither is wrong.

When Donovan McNabb is drafted in the first round(right? not scrolling back) a player that "should" have gone in the first falls to the second. When Tony G is drafted in the second round instead of the third a player that should have gone in the second falls to the third. If FFsearch took the fallen player, he'd have coverred his losses. He didn't though. Looking at his draft, you go thru alot fo picks until you feel like soandso was a sound pick at that point, how come he wasn't taken before that? I don't have any fault with loving McNabb's or Gonzalez's potential for 2005, not admitting you took someone early and counteracting that is the mistake though.

As for the ADP crud. Every league is different. Some have runs on QBs alot open with runs on RBs. Yep it's not perfect. You sit down and make a cheatsheet and unless you're drafting against robots, the other guys will pick out of turn. There's human thought here. No matter what though, you have to go into your draft with a guide or a map of some sort. An ADP list and a cheatsheet make pretty good guides to use as a starting point.

In theory, I suppose I could spend my first five rounds taking all 5th round ADP players and (as long as they each get 1000 yards rush rec or 3000 passing) be OK. In that sense you could say ADP is useless. Why would you do that though? Trent Green's a good QB but why throw away a shot at Manning? It's overkill it's going too much against the pack, it's....I dunno the right word, it's just pointless. Why do we have a first round then?
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ADP would work better if you were drafting against the thousands of people who make up the ADP charts. But will the people in YOUR league draft that way? In my experience, no. Besides, as I have stated above, the spreads render the ADP number useless in many cases.I think value is value wherever you take it. The way one wins is to have enough guys on your team who outperform other players at their position. In using ADP you may get good value picks but you also run the risk of losing players you really wanted.

 
I kind of think Ahman Green went pretty high. I would have chosen Rudi, Tiki, Dom Davis and a couple of others ahead of him.This is mainly because I believe Green Bay is in for a little struggle this year due to some of the holes they have on the O-Line. FFAdvantage: What made you decide to take him over those other guys?

 
First of all I had Green on my roster last year and saw most of his games. He nine goal line rushing attemps last year. He scored on 4 of them. He was thrown to on the goalline only twice last year and scored once. What I see looking at these stats is that half the time GB gave him the ball inside the 5 he scored. For them to improve they need to give him the ball more inside the 5 yard line, and I believe they will. The Line issue. Green Bay had injury issues with the line all year last year, and the line wasn't 100%. Losing the two starting guards is a big deal if you only have linemen who can play thier position, but most of the linemen on GB can swap between posistions. I don't think the line will be as good as last year, but I don't see them falling apart completely. Upside. The other backs you mentioned are all great backs, but I don't think any of them have the upside that Green does. He is a safe enough pick for my number 2 back, even if he does exactly what he did last year. The other backs are solid enough, but Tiki has a Sophmore QB, and D's will stack the line. Dom plays on a team with a conservative offense that allows defenses to crowd the line also. Rudi was really my only other consideration when I was thinking about Green. Rudi is good there is no doubting that. He has a big upside also, but with Perry getting healthy in the offseason I had questions about how much of an oppurtunity the Bengals would give Perry during the season.In the end I think Ahman could have a very big year and I went with my gut and took him over Rudi Johnson.

 
Here's the big question.... Why hasn't anyone commented on Rotoworld's team? 

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Ok, I will give it a shot. First of all I want to mention that I bought the RotoWorld.com magazine and think it is very good reading.QB: Plummer(7.12), Griese(9.12)

Great duo, no reason to draft a QB early when you can pair these two in the middle. Plummer may always lead the league in INTs but in his 3rd year with Den, I think he will be consistent with the TDs. I never really understood what happened to Griese in Denver besides getting drunk and running into lamposts but he is a prductive FF QB and Gruden will figure out how to make him a Productive NFL QB this year.

RB: Lewis(1.12), J.Jones(2.1), Clarrett(13.12)

If Lewis and Jones stay healthy, you could lead the league in RB FF points. Probably should have grabbed Chester Taylor and/or A-train. Seriously lacking depth.

WR: Horn(3.12), S.Smith(4.1), Mason(8.1), Houshmandzadeh(10.1), Randle EL (11.12), Boston (12.1), Curry(16.1)

You obviously planned on going with 3 WRs every week as you are stacked here.

TE: Witten(5.12), Shockey (6.1)

Stacked as well

K:Longwell(15.12)

D/ST:Chicago(14.1)

All in all, a very strong team if your RBs stay healthy. Big If!

 
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FantasyFootballAdvantage: Not sure what you mean? Why did I take Foster that High? :confused: I took him with the 47 pick, fella. His avg draft position is 36 overall on Xpertsports and 51 overall on Antsports. I'd say that 47 isn't early AT ALL.Plus, here were the runners left between my 47 pick and the 8th round, you tell me who has more upside, besides maybe Suggs:47. Foster (Smitty, FFXtreme)49. Suggs (Chris Smith, FBG)50. Larry Johnson (Smitty, FFXtreme)53. Warrick Dunn (Goldy, FFXtreme)59. Fred Taylor (FFSearch)66. Duce Staley (FFGoldenboy)76. Stephen Davis (HuddleGeeks)80. TJ Duckett (FFStarters)Suggs and Dunn are the only guys I'd consider, but Foster (especially since I grabbed Eric "the truck" Shelton at pick 95, I don't think I could have drafted better for my 3RB.Foster had 174 yards rushing and a TD the week before he got hurt last season. Everyone had him as an elite up and comer, only injury concerns stand in his way, which is why I have Shelton. Hope that answers your question. He was by far the best runner available and he wasn't take early IMO, at all.

 
IMO, I think you took him high. I wouldn't have drafted him any where at all. I would have taken Suggs then Dunn then Taylor. I was just curious what your thinking on him was this year. I think he may start a game or two, but the rookie will take over before too long.

 
IMO, I think you took him high. I wouldn't have drafted him any where at all. I would have taken Suggs then Dunn then Taylor. I was just curious what your thinking on him was this year. I think he may start a game or two, but the rookie will take over before too long.
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If you really believe that than you should be ashamed because you let him grab Shelton at 95. Or do you really believe T Jones (the RB you drafted before Shelton) will hold off Benson?
 
FantasyFootballAdvantage:

Not sure what you mean? Why did I take Foster that High? :confused:

I took him with the 47 pick, fella. His avg draft position is 36 overall on Xpertsports and 51 overall on Antsports. I'd say that 47 isn't early AT ALL.

Plus, here were the runners left between my 47 pick and the 8th round, you tell me who has more upside, besides maybe Suggs:

47. Foster (Smitty, FFXtreme)

49. Suggs (Chris Smith, FBG)

50. Larry Johnson (Smitty, FFXtreme)

53. Warrick Dunn (Goldy, FFXtreme)

59. Fred Taylor (FFSearch)

66. Duce Staley (FFGoldenboy)

76. Stephen Davis (HuddleGeeks)

80. TJ Duckett (FFStarters)

Suggs and Dunn are the only guys I'd consider, but Foster (especially since I grabbed Eric "the truck" Shelton at pick 95, I don't think I could have drafted better for my 3RB.

Foster had 174 yards rushing and a TD the week before he got hurt last season. Everyone had him as an elite up and comer, only injury concerns stand in his way, which is why I have Shelton. Hope that answers your question. He was by far the best runner available and he wasn't take early IMO, at all.
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From that draft list, both Fred Taylor and Larry Johnson have the most upside. If they end up starting for their teams during the season, Johnson is a must start and Taylor's about a must start.
 
IMO, I think you took him high.  I wouldn't have drafted him any where at all.  I would have taken Suggs then Dunn then Taylor.  I was just curious what your thinking on him was this year.  I think he may start a game or two, but the rookie will take over before too long.
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If you really believe that than you should be ashamed because you let him grab Shelton at 95. Or do you really believe T Jones (the RB you drafted before Shelton) will hold off Benson?
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No I an mot ashamed of any of my picks. I think Jones has a good shot at winning the starting role and keeping it for the year.
 
Do I have concerns that Foster will get hurt? Sure I do, but that is why I got Shelton and I am excided for that guy!Larry Johnson was a great pick for me as I have Holmes. He wouldn't have lasted to my next pick and if he starts he is a top 5 RB, IMO.I project Holmes/LJ (using only one at a time, 16 starts) will be the #1 RB in 2005. Those 16 KC Runner starts will beat 16 healthy starts by LT, IMO.

 
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Nugget:I'm waiting for his reply :) I doubt FFAdvantage is serious, that would be pretty naive to think that the KC runners can't get 10 TDs. At least I hope he is joking... if he isn't, I call "SHOTGUN" to the first challenge... maybe a free advertising challenege where the loser has to plaster the winners logo all over their site? :hophead:

 
Fitzgerald, anyone have a breakdown or projections? I'm very high on him this year, as I paired him with Torry Holt in my starting line-up. I have seen some say they don't like my #2 WR. I'd love to hear some good and bad prediction for the 2nd year WR.

 
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Fitzgerald, anyone have a breakdown or projections? I'm very high on him this year, as I paired him with Torry Holt in my starting line-up. I have seen some say they don't like my #2 WR. I'd love to hear some good and bad prediction for the 2nd year WR.
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69/940/5tds is what I have projected for Fitzgerald Smitty.
 
I don't think the KC RBs will score more than 10 TDs this year.  :popcorn:
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[we don't allow links even in jokes, sorry guys LOL] Got an inside tip on a great fantasy football site.It's a joke guys. :lmao:

 
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The NFL season isn't a 100 meter dash though its a 26 mile marathon.  If you run a marathon and fall down at the start you can still win.  :D
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Not if the rest of the field tramples your bloody carcass.
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It's not a marathon, it is more like a 100 yard dash. There are only 17 weeks (even fewer in most leagues) to compete. If you fall down in the first couple weeks, it might just be over.
 
Fitzgerald, anyone have a breakdown or projections? I'm very high on him this year, as I paired him with Torry Holt in my starting line-up. I have seen some say they don't like my #2 WR. I'd love to hear some good and bad prediction for the 2nd year WR.
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those are in threads by FBG Jason Wood. The master list is a pinned thread.I think the Zona WRs are hard to predict. Aside from Fitz, I love Boldin and think Bryant Johnson is underrated. When I start throwing numbers out there....nothing fits. He's a tough one to predict

 
In over 200 replies, this thread had like 6 breakdowns. The rest were about McNabb, LOL. We can do better than that!Besides FFAdvantage, can a normal FBG Forum Guru tell us who has the best rbs, then who has the bes wrs, then who has the best qbs, then tes. Maybe top 3 in each of the categories?

 
In over 200 replies, this thread had like 6 breakdowns. The rest were about McNabb, LOL. We can do better than that!

Besides FFAdvantage, can a normal FBG Forum Guru tell us who has the best rbs, then who has the bes wrs, then who has the best qbs, then tes. Maybe top 3 in each of the categories?
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I would be interested in hearing that also.
 
Here is my breakdown of the teams with the best position groups. I'm sure these could be debated but then again that's what this is all about:

QB's:

1. Baitinger-With Manning leading the way you get consistent scoring with a few huge weks mixed in. While Harrington may have a breakout year, getting Garcia should insure always having a starter. Good upside with this group as well.

2. RC-Everyone knows Cpep will be good but having a decent back up in Carr means always having a starter you can count on. Unless Cpep gets injured you should have the #1 or 2 QB.

3. Jason-Green is steady if not spectacular and should be around 400 yards and 25 TD's this year. Last year Delhomme surprised the FF world by showing he can pass pretty well too. Not a bad combo for playing match ups and if Car has to go to the pass again this year he could outplay Green in some games.

RB's:

1. Goldy-Having 3 RB's you can start every week in this flex league is huge. James, Barber & Bell could all 3 be top 10 players. Very strong group.

2. Smitty: Holmes, K. Jones & Foster are very strong and having LJ & Shelton as back ups leaves you in a very good situation in case of injury. In fact, this group could very well the #1 group if Jones produces as many expect.

3. Bliss: With Portis, Johnson, Brown & Duckett, this group could surprise. Brown is in a good situation while Portis and Rudi will be the clear starters on their teams.

WR's:

1. Jason: Owens, Boldin, Branch & Kennison are proven #1's. Boldin is underrated this year and Branch is beginning to take over as the clear #1 in NE. Kennison is now the #1 in KC and should see an increase in his production. Loads of potential in Calico (if he can get healthy) leaves this group very solid.

2. Chris: Steve Smith, Horn & Mason are regular top producers. Smith is returning from injury and is a little undervalued this year but should be back to 100%. Horn is always a solid top 10 player. Mason will see a slight drop but still should produce solid WR2 numbers. With T.J., Randel El, Curry & Boston as well, there is a lot of fire power in this very deep group.

3. Bliss: Burleson will be as good as advertised, maybe better. AJ is proven and could put up better than top 10 numbers if his other WR's show anything. Chambers will be in an improved situation with a QB that can actually throw if the O-line can hold without getting flagged. lol If Galloway stays health, he and Bryant should be worth a few games this year.

TE's:

1. Farino-When you have Gonzo you have the best TE. Period.

2. Chris-With Witten and Shockey you will be very strong.

3. RC-Gates will be this team's starter every week. Even though Jolley could have a decent year you can never bench Gates.

 
Here is my breakdown of the teams with the best position groups. I'm sure these could be debated but then again that's what this is all about:

QB's:

1. Baitinger-With Manning leading the way you get consistent scoring with a few huge weks mixed in. While Harrington may have a breakout year, getting Garcia should insure always having a starter. Good upside with this group as well.

2. RC-Everyone knows Cpep will be good but having a decent back up in Carr means always having a starter you can count on. Unless Cpep gets injured you should have the #1 or 2 QB.

3. Jason-Green is steady if not spectacular and should be around 400 yards and 25 TD's this year. Last year Delhomme surprised the FF world by showing he can pass pretty well too. Not a bad combo for playing match ups and if Car has to go to the pass again this year he could outplay Green in some games.

RB's:

1. Goldy-Having 3 RB's you can start every week in this flex league is huge. James, Barber & Bell could all 3 be top 10 players. Very strong group.

2. Smitty: Holmes, K. Jones & Foster are very strong and having LJ & Shelton as back ups leaves you in a very good situation in case of injury. In fact, this group could very well the #1 group if Jones produces as many expect.

3. Bliss: With Portis, Johnson, Brown & Duckett, this group could surprise. Brown is in a good situation while Portis and Rudi will be the clear starters on their teams.

WR's:

1. Jason: Owens, Boldin, Branch & Kennison are proven #1's. Boldin is underrated this year and Branch is beginning to take over as the clear #1 in NE. Kennison is now the #1 in KC and should see an increase in his production. Loads of potential in Calico (if he can get healthy) leaves this group very solid.

2. Chris: Steve Smith, Horn & Mason are regular top producers. Smith is returning from injury and is a little undervalued this year but should be back to 100%. Horn is always a solid top 10 player. Mason will see a slight drop but still should produce solid WR2 numbers. With T.J., Randel El, Curry & Boston as well, there is a lot of fire power in this very deep group.

3. Bliss: Burleson will be as good as advertised, maybe better. AJ is proven and could put up better than top 10 numbers if his other WR's show anything. Chambers will be in an improved situation with a QB that can actually throw if the O-line can hold without getting flagged. lol If Galloway stays health, he and Bryant should be worth a few games this year.

TE's:

1. Farino-When you have Gonzo you have the best TE. Period.

2. Chris-With Witten and Shockey you will be very strong.

3. RC-Gates will be this team's starter every week. Even though Jolley could have a decent year you can never bench Gates.
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I remember in a league I was in last year a new ff player drafted Manning #2 overall, all the veterans laughed and quietly made fun of him (he was new so we took it easy on him). Well as we all know that was the best pick of the draft. He went on to take Martin in round 2 (also a reach) and Chad Johnson in round 3, but he fell apart after that. The point is that the McNabb pick has potential, and may even be a steal when all is said and done. Gonzo is worth a 2nd round pick, the best and most consistent te ever. He doesn't really have any value there but it's not a bad pick. If Bennett and Taylor stay healthy he could easily, easily win the league. Though what I find ironic is he posted that the most important thing in FF is to draft RBs that stay healthy and he drafts two of the three most injury prone backs. He should probably try to trade for Henry. My favorite team was the FFA team. While FBG had a solid draft, I think RB2 and QB will be weaknesses. FFA has a guaranteed top 10 QB who will play all 16 games. Two top 10 RBs. One of the top 5 fantasy wrs last year, and coles who should excel with the Jets. And for flex he has the Arizona RB. That team is very solid. Yes, he has three GB players, but that hasn't been a problem in the past, and I think all of thes guys will be productive this year. :2cents:

 
I remember in a league I was in last year a new ff player drafted Manning #2 overall, all the veterans laughed and quietly made fun of him (he was new so we took it easy on him). Well as we all know that was the best pick of the draft. He went on to take Martin in round 2 (also a reach) and Chad Johnson in round 3, but he fell apart after that. The point is that the McNabb pick has potential, and may even be a steal when all is said and done.

Gonzo is worth a 2nd round pick, the best and most consistent te ever. He doesn't really have any value there but it's not a bad pick.

If Bennett and Taylor stay healthy he could easily, easily win the league. Though what I find ironic is he posted that the most important thing in FF is to draft RBs that stay healthy and he drafts two of the three most injury prone backs. He should probably try to trade for Henry.

My favorite team was the FFA team. While FBG had a solid draft, I think RB2 and QB will be weaknesses. FFA has a guaranteed top 10 QB who will play all 16 games. Two top 10 RBs. One of the top 5 fantasy wrs last year, and coles who should excel with the Jets. And for flex he has the Arizona RB. That team is very solid. Yes, he has three GB players, but that hasn't been a problem in the past, and I think all of thes guys will be productive this year. :2cents:
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Thanks for the post, I appreciate it. I didn't intentionally go into the draft thinking that I was going to take three GB guys, but when it was my turn I thought they were the best players available. Favre especially.Also I was happy to get Favre after I got Walker and Green, simply because of the double points when Walker gets a TD and the same thing hopefully a couple of times this year with Green.

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This GB talk just caused the first trade in the FFXtreme Expert League:FantasyFootballXtreme (Smitty) - trades: DAVENPORTtoFantasyFootballAdvantage (Paul) - for: WIGGINSSmitty (myself) had Heath Miller and Ben Watson at TE, so this bulks that group up and Wiggins is now my starter.Paul had Ahman Green and wanted the handcuff, that could save his season if Ahman is in fact slowing down (as some, but not all, think).Thoughts? Lets hear them, FBG Forum Gurus!Hopefully, Chris Smith and the other owners will comment as well.

 
After the trade (Davenport for Wiggins), this is what the Rosters look like for FFXtreme and FFSearch:=======FFXtreme:=======Carson PalmerDrew BreesPriest HolmesKevin JonesDe'shaun FosterLarry Johnson Eric SheltonChester TaylorTorry Holt Larry Fitzgerald David GivensSamie Parker Troy Williamson Jermaine Wiggins  Ben Watson Heath Miller=========FFAdvantage=========Brett FavreAhman GreenCorey DillonJJ ArringtonNajeh DavenportThomas JonesMarcel ShippChris PerryJavon WalkerLaveranues ColesJerry PorterMike Williams Terry GlennEric Johnson Mike VanderjagtIndianapolis

 
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I live and die for Green Bay Packers football. But the dude's got too many Packers on his team. He should package the GB RBs now and trade 'em. Or trade Walker.

 
I live and die for Green Bay Packers football.

But the dude's got too many Packers on his team. He should package the GB RBs now and trade 'em. Or trade Walker.
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I like the way my team looks now more than before. Having "Poopy" Najeh is a huge boost for me. If Ahman goes down I will be all set still. Losing Wiggins was worth handcuffing Ahman. Wiggins also has some questions about how much he is going to do this year with the return of Kliensassar (SP) and the loss of Moss. I think the trade helped both teams and really improved mine.
 
I live and die for Green Bay Packers football.

But the dude's got too many Packers on his team. He should package the GB RBs now and trade 'em. Or trade Walker.
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I like the way my team looks now more than before. Having "Poopy" Najeh is a huge boost for me. If Ahman goes down I will be all set still. Losing Wiggins was worth handcuffing Ahman. Wiggins also has some questions about how much he is going to do this year with the return of Kliensassar (SP) and the loss of Moss. I think the trade helped both teams and really improved mine.
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Not to highjack; but why do the projections on the fantasyadvantage site look like they are cut and pasted from the VBD ap from Footballguys?
 
I would actually be nervous about FFSearch's team. If one of the top RBs in the league goes down and he is fast enough to pick up their backup - ala Droughns a few years ago, he could easier dominate.Heck - people laughed at me last year for not playing moulds half way through the season because I picked up Stokely off the waivers. In the Super bowl, the Manning owner wasnt all to pleased when my WRs were both Wayne and Stokely and he had Manning and Harrison.

 
You took Westbrook over Jordan I see, did you do this on your own or did you do with Joe and Davids rankings in mind? How do you and the rest of the posters in this thread fell about this?

 
You took Westbrook over Jordan I see, did you do this on your own or did you do with Joe and Davids rankings in mind? How do you and the rest of the posters in this thread fell about this?
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I answered your PM about this but I will respond here as well.Can Jordan have a top fifteen fantasy season this season? Yes he certainly can but there are a couple of reasons why I like Westbrook more than Jordan this year...

# 1) The Raiders defense is horrendous! Seriously, I could see many barnburners being played in Oakland this season in which the defense gets the team off to a 0-21 start in a game forcing the Raiders to try and come back with the passing game. A poor defense can slow down a running back throughout a season

# 2)Westbrook, being capable of adding fantasy points via catching and running with the football makes him a good candidate to put up consistent fantasy points (and I have his likely backup in Moats if he suffers an injury)

# 3) Jordan has never had 100+ carries in a season. Is he durable enough to withstand the punishment of a 300 carry season? Perhaps but it is an unknown at this point

#4) Westbrook is very explosive and is capable of scoring any place and any time during a game.

Add it all together and I like my chances with Westbrook as my # 2. Good question

 
Green Bay Packers have some questions that must be answered this season before I would put my entire fantasy season on the line...1)Can Favre continue to stay healthy despite his age?2)Will the holdout of Walker/Franks hurt the offense in 2005?3)The offensive line is a complete mess right now. Can the Packers get it straightened out in time?...I am not one to say, oh it's Favre and the Packers so they must be good. Everything is pointing to at least a slow start for this squad in 2005 and their are no guarantees it will get better as the year wears on.I wouldn't be surprised to see Favre fall back to his 1999 and 2000 touchdown totals of 22 and 20 and his Y/A could suffer as well. He hasn't had to run for his life for awhile now but the offensive line holes may result in just that and at 36 years of age...I would avoid loading up on Packers as much as possible this season. A disaster waiting to happen IMO.

 
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