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Explosions in Manchester? (1 Viewer)

comfortably numb said:
Em, not now
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Dude, that's exactly what they want. They want to destroy Christianity, the west, and establish a caliphate. I'm sick of innocent European people getting blown up.

It wasn't always like this and the fact it's happening so frequently means they're winning.

 
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lod001 said:
It's going to be very hard for security at an event to stop a suicide bomber waiting for people to exit an event.They have figured it out. You pretty much would need the military at every event. Someone is still likely to die.
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I've always thought this. I've also thought how easy it would be to blow yourself up in the parking lot. 

if somebody is willing to die terrorism becomes almost impossible to prevent. 

 
Shane Ricketts said:
I'm telling you, there's going to be a point where an attack is on such a widespread scale that mass deportation of Muslims from Europe happens. We don't need more 3rd world countries.
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The fact that they keep letting you come back is one of the main reasons why I don't frequent this place as much anymore.

 
It sucks, there's nothing to say that we haven't said a million times. Plus there are countless "refugees" flooding into Europe as we speak, so the problem is only going to get worse.

 
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lod001 said:
Correct. It will never end and before most of us die, a nuke will blow up in a city. My dad said that, I totally agreed with him.
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I refuse to accept this as an inevitability, and I refuse to give in to bigoted solutions such as already suggested in this thread (unfortunately). 

Perhaps we can't win the war against terrorism but we can fight it; and we have to. We need better information. We need informants to figure out what's going to happen beforehand. It seems to me that is the key. 

 
lod001 said:
Correct. It will never end and before most of us die, a nuke will blow up in a city. My dad said that, I totally agreed with him.
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It's going to happen with a chemical attack or dirty bomb of some sort to start but I totally agree.  These guys are killing children, there's no extreme they won't go to.

 
timschochet said:
Well that might have made a difference. Most of our events have that now. 
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You can't stop people killing lots of people. Just look at Belgium. I'm surprised more people haven't just walked into a security line at an airport or event where there are hundreds of people waiting to get in and just set themselves off as they get to security.

 
Henry Ford said:
It's not the first attempt, certainly, but could end up being the most deadly.  Terrible. 
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What we have to do is think about what type of attack they may come up with. Here is an example: This hasn't happened yet but they will get around to figuring it out.

To terrorists, the number of death doesn't matter to them. It's about striking fear that it can happen anywhere at anytime. I fully expect them to figure out that a car bomb in a parking deck at one of these events is an easy target.

 
Shula-holic said:
These guys are killing children, there's no extreme they won't go to.
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They would  tell you in response that the west kills children too, ourselves and England included. I think there is a distinction because we don't target children, but it would be difficult to convince somebody who has lost their child in a drone attack of this distinction. 

 
Christo said:
You can't stop people killing lots of people. Just look at Belgium. I'm surprised more people haven't just walked into a security line at an airport or event where there are hundreds of people waiting to get in and just set themselves off as they get to security.
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Yep. The bottleneck at airport security is a disaster waiting to happen. What are we going to do? Scan people before they get in line to be scanned?

 
timschochet said:
They would  tell you in response that the west kills children too, ourselves and England included. I think there is a distinction because we don't target children, but it would be difficult to convince somebody who has lost their child in a drone attack of this distinction. 
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Sigh....it's our fault.

Knew it was coming....

 
lod001 said:
What we have to do is think about what type of attack they may come up with. Here is an example: This hasn't happened yet but they will get around to figuring it out.

To terrorists, the number of death doesn't matter to them. It's about striking fear that it can happen anywhere at anytime. I fully expect them to figure out that a car bomb in a parking deck at one of these events is an easy target.
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Oh, of course.  Along with dozens of other possibilities.  It's something the U.K. discovered during the Real IRA years: you can't protect against all possible threat patterns. Intelligence is the best safeguard, and it does very little against lone wolf ###holes. 

 
timschochet said:
They would  tell you in response that the west kills children too, ourselves and England included. I think there is a distinction because we don't target children, but it would be difficult to convince somebody who has lost their child in a drone attack of this distinction. 
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I'm really not worried about convincing someone who thinks that way.  Whether it's because of drone attacks, or the sinful life of western culture and the infidels, whatever it is, they will find a justification.  It's not pretty, it's not the way I wish it was, but people who think that way are going to continue killing peaceful civilians of all kinds unless they are killed first.

 
Henry Ford said:
No doubt.  It's hard to blame people for panicking, I just can't imagine the personal/psychological fallout from having been involved in such a rush of people and finding that out later. 
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Sadly the people in and around that part of England will be all too aware of "stampede" deaths.

But you are right - that is part of the tactic - creating that sense of terror where panic overrides all other emotions.  The targeting of kids while particularly galling, was likely an intentional choice to ratchet up the terror.

 
lod001 said:
That's an eye opener and should be even to those who believe you take in all refugees.
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Poland certainly is anti-immigrant, but it's also got some of the most pervasive domestic intelligence on Earth. I think that's as much of a deterrent as anything - along with the question of "why attack Poland anyway?"

 
flapgreen said:
No doubt 
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I had no idea that was Poland's policy. Incredible eye opener. Had to google it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-refuses-to-take-a-single-refugee-because-of-security-fears-a7020076.html

Poland will not be accepting a single refugee "because there is no mechanism that would ensure safety", the most powerful politician in the country has said.

You gotta feel sorry for the true innocent refugees but you need to protect your own citizens first.

 
Shula-holic said:
I'm really not worried about convincing someone who thinks that way.  Whether it's because of drone attacks, or the sinful life of western culture and the infidels, whatever it is, they will find a justification.  It's not pretty, it's not the way I wish it was, but people who think that way are going to continue killing peaceful civilians of all kinds unless they are killed first.
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Agreed. 

My only additional thought is that, as we kill them, let's try to avoid creating new ones at the same time. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Sadly the people in and around that part of England will be all too aware of "stampede" deaths.

But you are right - that is part of the tactic - creating that sense of terror where panic overrides all other emotions.  The targeting of kids while particularly galling, was likely an intentional choice to ratchet up the terror.
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We have a suspect name yet?  

Obviously it's terrorism regardless of the source, just waiting for what feels like the inevitable these days in Europe. Especially with an upcoming election. 

 
lod001 said:
I had no idea that was Poland's policy. Incredible eye opener. Had to google it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-refuses-to-take-a-single-refugee-because-of-security-fears-a7020076.html

Poland will not be accepting a single refugee "because there is no mechanism that would ensure safety", the most powerful politician in the country has said.

You gotta feel sorry for the true innocent refugees but you need to protect your own citizens first.
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I'd go so far as to say you have to protect your way of life first.  That's the push-pull on this issue. Although a discussion for another time, much like gun control after a shooting. 

 
timschochet said:
Agreed. 

My only additional thought is that, as we kill them, let's try to avoid creating new ones at the same time. 
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I wish that were possible.  I don't know the answer but a lot has to do with the way someone is raised.  When our good friends the Saudis are bringing up children to hate in madrasas all across the country, I don't see an end anytime soon.  They aren't the only reason or source, but it's just one example.

 
lod001 said:
You gotta feel sorry for the true innocent refugees but you need to protect your own citizens first.
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Poland is not a country that has a tradition of taking in refugees. They're not about that. We are. 

Poland is not a place you come to, it's a place you leave (like my grandparents did.) 

 
lod001 said:
I had no idea that was Poland's policy. Incredible eye opener. Had to google it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-refuses-to-take-a-single-refugee-because-of-security-fears-a7020076.html

Poland will not be accepting a single refugee "because there is no mechanism that would ensure safety", the most powerful politician in the country has said.

You gotta feel sorry for the true innocent refugees but you need to protect your own citizens first.
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:goodposting:

 
Henry Ford said:
We have a suspect name yet?  

Obviously it's terrorism regardless of the source, just waiting for what feels like the inevitable these days in Europe. Especially with an upcoming election. 
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Nothing I have seen, but with all the CCTV cameras, I expect we will find out sooner rather than later.

 
There is a video of a dash cam from a car in a parking lot listening to the radio. You see what seems to be the reflection of an explosion off the windows of a building and then hear the sound of what sounds like an explosion.

 
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