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Sadiq Khan on record saying this part of life in a big city following the recent attack on a police officer certainly doesn't help matters throughout England. It's not a part of life, purposely attacking a venue with children is the worst form of terrorism I could think of and should be met with as strong a response as possible.
Seems like that is changing.
I went to a soccer game in Paris a month after the Nov 2015 attacks. We were searched four times entering the stadium including a security cordon two blocks away.
Drive into just about any parking garage and it's an eye opener. Maybe not NYC but in most cities is my guess. Certainly the city I am nearest. Hell, they can set off a small bomb sending people to the parking deck, fleeing and set off the real bomb.
Those are parents waiting for their kids to get out of the concert, probably have no idea what had happened above - I think that area is by the train station.*
You have to kill their children then too. When you don't, every one of their kids becomes another "My name is Inigo Montoya... you killed my father.... prepare to die."
Harder for the kids to kill you if you don't open the doors of your Nations to them.
Not that you have to take it but there's no way to ever eradicate it completely. That said, I think we also have to be smarter when we fight it. As others alluded to, killing one terrorist could create 5 more if not done properly.
the problem is who are we fighting and how do we stop them? even if profiling wasnt frowned upon it would still be next to impossible to pick out a terrorist from a normal thinking person...you just dont know who is who until its too late
Yes, it's incredibly complicated. It is the singular struggle of our times. Maybe the war on terrorism can or can't be won. But Western Civilization can't give into defeatism on this issue.
No. You let more muslims into your Nations to prove how you aren't a racist xenophobic islamaphobe.
Bottom line is we are being hunted and targeted for extermination for no reason other than hate
Agree 100%. We would be better off focusing on the problems we can control. Americans are more likely to die at the hands of an American than a foreign terrorist. Someone you know well is much more likely to kill you than a terrorist. Terrorism is a serious issue that needs addressing but it's a drop in the bucket compared to all the other threats in our country. The issue is those have no easy answers either.
Hate seems to be at the heart of so much of the violence in this world? How do we combat it in all its many forms?
And this is all that needs to be said...man, why can't people just check their "Own positions" and send some thoughts and condolences to the UK people.
the whole thing reminds me of a quote in the original Dawn of the dead movie when a priest says '' we must stop the killing ,or lose the war'' ...every time someone killed someone they would rise up and kill even more people
It's just insane how quick people are to hurt others. It doesn't seem like any country or culture has been able to avoid it. Human history is one war after another genicide after another massacre with tragedies, abuses and horrors scattered between.
the need to hurt and kill for no real reason is so beyond my comprehension....but thank god for that ....i cant imagine what drives those people and what kind of life they must live
The evil among us are a small minority. Most people of all stripes are good. Look at all of the people of Manchester, rushing to help. We need to keep remembering that most of us are good.
I'd like to br able to say it's a "them" issue but when you look at the scope of human violence, it's hard for any male to make it a us vs. them issue. How many people were violently killed in the 20th century? Half a billion maybe? An atomic bomb here, terrorist attach there. Serial killlers and gang wars. World Wars and civil wars. Several genocides. Makes me sick just thinking about it all.
I'm not disagreeing. However, the next question becomes do these types of events happen if there is no religion? I do not believe that to be true. Religion is good in theory, but often becomes misguided, unintentionally or in some cases intentionally.
Sure but it's also another way people can divide themselves which doesn't seem to be healthy
I'm guessing the people standing there are parents who were there to meet their kids after the show.
I disagree with you. Here's what I think: there are evil people out there, extremists. Some of them are also mentally ill. These people use their religious beliefs as justification for their evil. But if the religion didn't exist, they'd find another justification. The evil is with them.
There's been so many examples of religious violence and discrimination that I would love to see what happens without it. I don't think it's anything inherently wrong with the religions, I just think it provides another massive way people can divide themselves.
John I really don't want to argue with anyone tonight. I ####### hate this.
Religion is merely a tool. Bad people manipulate others with it, use it as a shield/justification for bad stuff.
It's alright, just hate when you (and, to be fair, others) do it while the story is still developing. There's a thread for that type of argument, and it's relative here, but in the first few hours, I think it's better to get the news out there first. Ignore the guys immediately doing the anti-Islam shtick if you can until tomorrow or something. That's my personal preference, I don't want to tell you how to do things though - that's not my call. Cheers either way.
