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As commissioner, he has a conflict of interest and should recuse himself and leave the decision to some other process (e.g. league vote). This is assuming there's no league rule that already covers such a contingency.
That terrible. I don't understand not conceding in this scenarioI'm totally flabbergasted that in one league I commish where I'm in the finals and trailing by 6 points and have 3 payers (Allen, Mixon, Gabe Davis) to play that the guy I'm playing hasn't conceded. I finally told him that if they cancel the game I will split the pot with him, but will not split the championship and will use week 18 stats by Bills and Bengals players. I CANNOT believe he hasn't conceded. I will remember that. However, if they do play the game then I'm not splitting squat. I also told him that I would love to give up commish duties and he take over next yearI'm sure :crickets: If they cancel the game I will not have a split champion and will apply week 18 stats for the Bengals and Bills players to week 17, even if I split the pot. As for the other two leagues I commish, I will move forward with either the solution of either applying a rescheduled game stats to week 17 or week 18 to week 17, to determine the champion, even if the two finalist decide to split the pot.
I should be paid for this crap. The only reason I've held on as long as I have is because I didn't want the leagues to die. I'm almost at the point where I don't care, even after so many years.uke:
Don't be embarrassed. If it were me I'd put this dude on blast. Send an email to the entire league, you don't have to call him out necessarily, but post what your final solution would be. All league members deserve to know what's going on. Maybe there will be enough pressure from other league members to get this guy to do the right thing. The passive aggressive approach lol. As a 51 year old my leagues are a group of friends since high school, some even earlier, and we'd be ruthless mocking anyone who wouldn't concede in this situation. Good luck sucks he's doing this to you.
All of this took place on the league message board. I removed the expletives this morning after thinking it over. I feel bad about that, but not my stance on the situation.
As the commish he’s in the worst position. As making any decision other than having those 3 get zero means he wins. Maybe let the assistant commish decide if there is one?
Splitting the pot or applying Burrow's points from week 18 are the two logical options IMO. This leaves you at the mercy of the game still being played which seems unlikely at this stage or your SOL with the Bills and Bengals week 17 points not being counted.
I don't want to be too contrarian here, but a team that is still leading in a game should feel under no pressure to concede. Sure, the other team would have won had there not been this tragedy, but it did happen and the score still shows him ahead. Many leagues are taking the view that this was force majeure and are accepting the outcome as is.
I disagree, but I posted a solution for both cancelled and not cancelled. Taking that less than a QTR of play as final is just lazy. MFL and ESPN didn't want to change their software and pretty much left it up to individuals to deal with it, because they sure didn't want to. I'm thankful that my 2 other leagues I commish I wasn't in the title and those that are have no issues with my solution. Where it gets hairy is the league I am in the title game.. That league I'm stepping down as commish because I didn't like my response to the other owner, not my stance on the subject.
I respectfully disagree. It is not lazy to act on the basis of what actually happened. The moment you start trying to invent solutions you create new problems.
I couldn't imagine, nor would I, accept a championship where it took a tragedy for me to win. That would feel extremely dirty to me. I get there is a ton of gray in many of these scenarios but in Johnny's game that gray is a very dark gray so dark almost everyone would say it's black.
Maybe chop the pot if it makes you feel too bad. Tough call as in many of these tight situations, really no right answer here
I don't understand the rationale of this not being fair. Why does he think it is not fair? It's a game played for a player that would be in your lineup no matter the matchup. I just don't understand the unfairness of this solution
That's admirable but I don't think it's fair to exert moral pressure on other players to concede if they are ahead. It's just a hobby.
That terrible. I don't understand not conceding in this scenarioI'm totally flabbergasted that in one league I commish where I'm in the finals and trailing by 6 points and have 3 payers (Allen, Mixon, Gabe Davis) to play that the guy I'm playing hasn't conceded. I finally told him that if they cancel the game I will split the pot with him, but will not split the championship and will use week 18 stats by Bills and Bengals players. I CANNOT believe he hasn't conceded. I will remember that. However, if they do play the game then I'm not splitting squat. I also told him that I would love to give up commish duties and he take over next year
I should be paid for this crap. The only reason I've held on as long as I have is because I didn't want the leagues to die. I'm almost at the point where I don't care, even after so many years.
This is not a simple solution and there are many points of view with what we all are facing in the fantasy world this week.That terrible. I don't understand not conceding in this scenarioI'm totally flabbergasted that in one league I commish where I'm in the finals and trailing by 6 points and have 3 payers (Allen, Mixon, Gabe Davis) to play that the guy I'm playing hasn't conceded. I finally told him that if they cancel the game I will split the pot with him, but will not split the championship and will use week 18 stats by Bills and Bengals players. I CANNOT believe he hasn't conceded. I will remember that. However, if they do play the game then I'm not splitting squat. I also told him that I would love to give up commish duties and he take over next year
I should be paid for this crap. The only reason I've held on as long as I have is because I didn't want the leagues to die. I'm almost at the point where I don't care, even after so many years.
Just that it's not the Cincy/Buffalo matchup, and it would be Higgins vs. Baltimore instead. He agrees its the best way to get a usable score and really the only remaining option at this point if W17 game never gets finished...but he did mention to me over text that if the W17 game ever gets resumed he'd rather use those stats than whatever W18 stats he would get.
No pot, thank goodness. Tons of pride on that line.
That’s another thing to consider here. That last bit. Say your “solution” right now is to use week 18 scores for these players, and you sit there and watch week 18 games and either win or lose with elation or heartbreak. Then the NFL comes out and says that the Cincinnati vs Buffalo game will in fact happen in “week 19”, and will be picked up right where it ended (7-3 with 5 minutes left in the first Q). What then?
The solution is simple. Use Week 18 if the suspended game is not resumed. If it is resumed then the Week 19 stats will be counted. State this clearly ahead of week 18 and everyone is clear of what happens.
And that is easy enough to clarify ahead of time. If the suspended game is resumed those stats will be used. If it is not then the week 18 stats will be used. It's clear and known before any games are played week 18. Simple.
That solution sounds simple, but means that you don't really know what you’re watching week 18. Does this count or not?
But it's a 100% certainty that you lost if the game is not continued. It's absolute positions like this that make it tough for commishes to get through this. Thankfully none of my owners shared your beliefs.
I think you have to allow substitutions and add/drops.
You can do it manually
Why is that a problem? Root for your players regardless and then see what happens. You know there is potential it won't be used but at least you are using actual stats from games no matter what.
If KC wins they are the #1 seed.
But you are answering a different question that the one of "how should this game be scored" to determine who won. Especially if this is a large hosting site or not a league where a gentlemen's agreement is likely. While I understand the logic, I think it is wrong to demand that someone that finished ahead in this week's scoring to concede that they really lost no matter how dark the gray. And I think it is wrong to impose upon them a week 18 rule to somehow extend the game. At the end of the day, I would much prefer to feel cheated by circumstances than feel like I was cheated by, or I cheated a friend. That is why I assume that it would feel wrong to you to win this way, but I think that is also why this requires the gentlemen's agreement and not creative new rules imposed by a commissioner. Unfortunately, at this point in time the commissioner is tainted with knowledge that they should not have for creating such a rule. So, while maybe unsatisfactory those hosting decisions are at least impartial, and that is what makes them fair.
Its too bad, I don't know that making yourself the winner would be right, but I definitely would have conceded and or agreed to split the pot if it was an option. I have a few leagues where I am ahead and already told the other owners I will split the pots with them. They are not home leagues (2 dynasty ffpc and 1 bb mfl), but it just seems like the right thing to do and the money isn't worth the bad blood imo.
I would just total the points manually for the bills / bengals players and then use Adjust player scores in ADJUST SCORES AND STANDINGS for week 17. Also, if you allow for player substitutions because of possible benching in week 18, you can just assign the totals of substituted players for the actual bills / bengals players from Monday night. It's up to you.
I think it's a really easy spot. If there's no league rule that covers the situation, the commissioner must recuse himself. If there's an assistant, it falls on that person. Otherwise, probably a league vote to make a one-time decision (with the two parties involved not voting). In the off-season, the commissioner can use whatever process to institute new rules for these situations in the future.
Respectfully disagree and think it is more likely the NFL will announce the game is cancelled by eod today or tomorrow at the latest. Just my opinion, but I think the NFL will do what is least disruptive to the league (cancel the game entirely) and they will not want the uncertainty lingering into this weekends games.
I would think if both teams agree on a solution and that solution was that one side conceded, then the commish should accept their solution.
It's fine that team B conceded but Sleeper was not wrong either.
I think you're in the vast minority here if you think that everyone should just accept that all bills/bengals get 0's and the title should be handed out like that.
