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jonessed
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Fair enough. I won't bring it up again.This intent of this thread is not to go over the typical Eli debate. As one parting word on that subject, Eli was willing to sacrifice a year of income, risk injury or a lower draft status, to stay away from a situation which he had reasons to believe were not right for him. He was well within his "rights" - SD played hardball and they got a lot of value for risking taking him with the first choice. The Giants got a great young QB and Eli got an organization suite for him. Seems to work all around.Now, back to the unabashed Eli praising for the one thing we can't argue about (well, this week at least) - how Eli is the next coming of Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana combined.I don't fault the Giants. I fault Eli for the temper tantrum he threw when the Chargers drafted him. The whole idea of the draft is to give the lesser teams the best shot at new talent. Stating you won't play for this or that team because your Dad doesn't like them defeats the whole purpose. Everyone got what they wanted in the end, including the Chargers. That doesn't mean he's still not a spoiled bratC'mon guys, this sounds like sour grapes.The Giants (no i'm not a fan) have done everything right here.I must agree. I wish him nothing but as many failures as can become an NFL QB. You aren't bigger than the game Eli, even though you and your sheep following think you are.Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."Exactly how so?JToo bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.
Traded value for value. Got their guy. Brought him along. Now starting to see the fruits of their labor.
What's not to like ? (or respect?)
I'm not a big Coughlin fan and i think he'll have to be shed before they can hit the next level, but they are certainly on their way.
Koya
Footballguy
Thanks. There are plenty of threads about the non football issues (well on field at least). In terms of talent, I think we are seeing some nice things early on in the guy's career.PS - I still hold something against Elway, even though I know the Colts were a mess when he refused to come to Baltimore.Fair enough. I won't bring it up again.This intent of this thread is not to go over the typical Eli debate. As one parting word on that subject, Eli was willing to sacrifice a year of income, risk injury or a lower draft status, to stay away from a situation which he had reasons to believe were not right for him. He was well within his "rights" - SD played hardball and they got a lot of value for risking taking him with the first choice. The Giants got a great young QB and Eli got an organization suite for him. Seems to work all around.Now, back to the unabashed Eli praising for the one thing we can't argue about (well, this week at least) - how Eli is the next coming of Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana combined.I don't fault the Giants. I fault Eli for the temper tantrum he threw when the Chargers drafted him. The whole idea of the draft is to give the lesser teams the best shot at new talent. Stating you won't play for this or that team because your Dad doesn't like them defeats the whole purpose. Everyone got what they wanted in the end, including the Chargers. That doesn't mean he's still not a spoiled bratC'mon guys, this sounds like sour grapes.The Giants (no i'm not a fan) have done everything right here.I must agree. I wish him nothing but as many failures as can become an NFL QB. You aren't bigger than the game Eli, even though you and your sheep following think you are.Well it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."Exactly how so?JToo bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.
Traded value for value. Got their guy. Brought him along. Now starting to see the fruits of their labor.
What's not to like ? (or respect?)
I'm not a big Coughlin fan and i think he'll have to be shed before they can hit the next level, but they are certainly on their way.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Have you seen one of his interviews?Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?JWell it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."Exactly how so?JToo bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Great game by Plax but your statement indicates to me that you didn't watch him much in Pittsburgh (especially the AFC Championship game when he couldn't pull in a critical 4th quarter pass in the endzone). Burress had some good games for the Steelers but he also dropped plenty of key passes and made some really stupid mistakes. And for such a big man he really wasn't adept at the fade.
He may end up as a Pro Bowl WR for the Giants and I hope he does because I always liked him. But you make it sound like Burress is a Wide Receiver god. There were reasons why no other teams were interested in him as a free agent.
Yes. Many times starting from when he was a freshman at Ole Miss.Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?Have you seen one of his interviews?Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?JWell it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."Exactly how so?JToo bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.
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Synthesizer
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I'm not going to define a nerd/dork/tool for you, or why I think Eli fits into that category from the interviews that I've seen. So I'll just use these.PicYes. Many times starting from when he was a freshman at Ole Miss.Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?Have you seen one of his interviews?Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?JWell it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."Exactly how so?JToo bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.
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yeah the pic of him sloshed with a bottle of beer in his hand and a hot chick on his arm is especially nerdy.I'm not going to define a nerd/dork/tool for you, or why I think Eli fits into that category from the interviews that I've seen. So I'll just use these.PicYes. Many times starting from when he was a freshman at Ole Miss.Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?Have you seen one of his interviews?Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?JWell it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."Exactly how so?JToo bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
I knew he'd light up the Rams today, but I was impressed nonetheless. Previous poster mentioned that "the game is slowing down for him". Spot on. He's going through his progressions and making the right decisions. He could have had a few more TD's today, just out of synch with Shockey on a few end zone passes. That being said, he won't have these games against good secondaries (Eagles, etc.). Still, very similar to Peyton in that year 1 was ugly, year 2 MUCH better.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Huge Giants fan here so I am happy that Eli is coming around and looking good.That being said I am not convinced that he is worth the price the Giants paid for him.
Lets say Eli does turn out to be like the guys you listed.
What if Rivers OR Rothlisbuger turns out to be like one of those guys too?
Would you be happy with the price the Giants paid to get Eli then?
Would you trade what the Giants traded away to get Marino instead of staying put and drafting Favre?
Koya
Footballguy
The thing is, you do not have 20/20 hindsight at the time of a draft. At that time, the QB that more experts than not thought had a real chance of being the sure thing, a franchise QB, was Manning. As of now, Roths looks very good, but I would say that at this juncture, most would expect Manning to be a better/more complete QB 5 years down the road (this could be up for debate however and Roths is a very different kind of QB) while Rivers has not proven anything... not that it is his fault.If Manning turns out to be Marino and Roths Favre, I am more than fine with the trade. We still got the guy that in our system became a legend. Now, we are far from there, but Manning probably has the best chance of the three to reach that stature after watching his progression this year. Obviously, it is still way to early to really know.
Pictures?Interesting. He's a tool because he looks like a nerd?I'm not going to define a nerd/dork/tool for you, or why I think Eli fits into that category from the interviews that I've seen. So I'll just use these.PicYes. Many times starting from when he was a freshman at Ole Miss.Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?Have you seen one of his interviews?Exactly what do you mean? A nerd how?JWell it starts with the Daddy doesn't want me to play for the Chargers thing. And then when I watch one of his interviews, I think "Wow, that guy is a nerd."Exactly how so?JToo bad he's even more of a tool than his brother.
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How good looking does a guy need to be to be ok in your book? Kyle Orton make the cut? Palmer? Brees? Where is the line?
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I for one, was screaming at the tv during that draft. As a Giant fan I was furious. I thought Ernie Acorsi was an idiot.I personally liked Big Ben over Eli. But when the Giants took Rivers with the 4th pick, I was shocked. In the NFL you never take a player with out the deal already on the table. In addition, the Browns were willing to trade up to 4 for a second round pick, meaning you could of still gotten Rivers at 6. Plus worse case, you grab Ben who fell to like 11 or 13, something like that. Then to give up last year's #1 pick on top of that, I was pissed.However... I am pleasently surprised at the kid's progression. He looks like a completely different QB, even from the first game against the Cardnials. He has vision, touch, and mobility. The addition of Plax definately has helped, but more so, the Giant's O-Line is actually playing well. I think thats the biggest difference. He's trusting the pocket and pocket is actually there, unlike last year.Hoping for a solid rest of the season. Go GMen.
Neo
The Dude minds
Amen brother! We still need a closer, 2nd baseman, catcher and a big time bat....Everyone is pimping Burress, which is great. I've been a big time hater of Jeremy Shockey....lot of hype, lot of talent, dumb player. Seems he's gotten his act together, he looks like a monster out there, really working his tail off.
Eli
Koya
Footballguy
That is three drives in two weeks (Jacob's fumble, then the tying drive at Dallas, then this great fourth quarter comeback). It is still way early to start making any declarations, but we are moving past having "it" - I think we saw that 2-3 games ago. Eli might have something special. I don't remember feeling this about an offensive player for the Giants, ever. Really fun to watch.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I don't know about that. Manning started off good, but regressed as the season went on. Eli finished:18th in yards per attempt31st in completion percentageTied for 2nd in most interceptions thrownTied for 4th in touchdown passes (although Bledsoe could stil pass him)Yes, he is only a second year NFL player, but I would be a little more confident in his ability to improve next year if he had improved as the year went on instead of starting off strong and regressing late in the season.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Take out the name Manning and his draft spot. His numbers as a true sophomore QB are pretty good I'd say. 3,700 yards, 24 TDs 17 INTs with a decent 6.75 YPA
I think any team would be thrilled if they got that out of their sophomore QB. Yes, he regressed during the second half and I see an early playoff exit because of it, but it's looking good for next year.
However from a big picture point of view, it becomes is Eli Manning >= Rivers + Merriman + Nate Kaeding?
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Koya
Footballguy
From a big picture point of view, from the Giants perspective, it's only about how Manning does and how the team wins.People bring up his numbers - which are reflective of some downs with some ups. But with Eli, take away the name, and you have a very young QB who has already demonstrated the ability not only to QB a winning team, but QB a divsion winning team while leading them to a number of come from behind victories, while showing positives that can not be measured by stats.
When it comes to wins, and ability to put a team on his back with 2 minutes left (something you may either have, or dont), Eli is well ahead of the game. I'll take the need to work on accuracy and some mechanics - for a learning year, a divisional crown definately has to be partly attributed to the QB.
