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FFA Movie Poll - 1974 Countdown Monday is here. (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
What is your profession?
I'm retired.
From what?
Business.
What sort of business?
Baby food.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I was watching Murder on the Orient again over the weekend. I hadn’t previously realized that Ingrid Bergman won Best Supporting Actress for that. That is one of the weirder ones — she’s in just a few scenes and for a few minutes.
I love Bergman, but that was a bit of a surprising one to win for.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That’s like a lifetime achievement win, right? She was getting credit for being overlooked so much earlier, right?
Don Quixote
Footballguy
She had two Oscars already, so I wouldn’t say she was overlooked. Although she wasn’t even nominated for Casablanca or Notorious. Just some odd Oscar history with her.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ok, good point- didn't realize she had won 2 already. Also I just saw her big scene and she was real good. She gets a very long scene where she is the only face the camera shows for several minutes and she makes it really work. She did crush this role.
Eephus
Footballguy
She had been ostracized from Hollywood following her affair with Roberto Rossellini. Her supporting actress award was one of those times where Oscar tried to right past wrongs.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
She was good in that scene. I just have to think it’s the shortest screen time for any Oscar winner, by a good amount. And it’s not like there was a shortage of other worthy nominees, like Madeline Kahn.
krista4
Footballguy
Judi Dench’s time in Shakespeare in Love was really brief, but I’m too lazy to research whether it was shorter.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I just looked it up, and you are right on it being shorter. Record holder looks like Beatrice Straight for Network. I guess it’s not as unusual to win for that as I thought.
krista4
Footballguy
I didn’t know; just remembered there was some controversy when Dench won. Hers seemed more like a cameo to me than a “supporting” role.
On another front, I’m halfway through Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore and can’t figure out what I think of it.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I liked it a lot. It’s weird to see Scorsese doing this kind of movie and his direction is forced at times, but I found the performance memorable.
krista4
Footballguy
I didn't even realize it was Scorsese until I read your post. Guess I didn't pay enough attention to the credits, or anything else.I ended up loving it, with two minor exceptions: (1) felt like Burstyn's performance was a bit over-the-top in a couple of key moments - still a great performance overall, but those moments grated, and (2) slightly disliked the ending. I thought the performances - especially Diane Ladd's - were terrific, and I liked that main characters were rather flawed but still likable. The story picked up and completely drew me in when they got to Tuscon. Were you the one who asked "Why Kris Kristofferson?" I didn't see that question in this at all! Thought he did a great job and actually was attractive, too; plus, that voice.
But I'm a hippie at heart.All these 70s movies are reminding me that I need to buy some new bras.
Since I have extra time before Sunday, I'm going to try to fit in The Parallax View.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I liked the beginning too- the opening scene and credits (even the screen ratio) was like a 1940s movie.
I ended up loving it, with two minor exceptions: (1) felt like Burstyn's performance was a bit over-the-top in a couple of key moments - still a great performance overall, but those moments grated, and (2) slightly disliked the ending. I thought the performances - especially Diane Ladd's - were terrific, and I liked that main characters were rather flawed but still likable. The story picked up and completely drew me in when they got to Tuscon. Were you the one who asked "Why Kris Kristofferson?" I didn't see that question in this at all! Thought he did a great job and actually was attractive, too; plus, that voice.
All these 70s movies are reminding me that I need to buy some new bras.
Since I have extra time before Sunday, I'm going to try to fit in The Parallax View.
Yes I was one the that asked about KK. He was fine in Alice. I just happened to have watched Bring Me the Head of Al García beforeand was wondering where he came from.
Parallax View is also the last film I have left that I plan to watch.
Yankee23Fan
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
simey
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I saw Ali: Fear Eats The Soul last night. I imagine it was a pretty courageous movie for its time and place. 3 years ago I'd have thought it didn't have a whole lot of relevance today, but then Trumpism happened, so it turns out to still be a relevant subject. Brigitte Mira did a great, real job as Emmi. I liked the director's attempts at using silence and still shots. They weren't always effective as much of the supporting cast wasn't so great in the acting department. I realize the goal here was mainly to make the statements that the writer/director wanted to make about a few subjects (racism, selfishness, loneliness, etc.), but I had a hard time buying into the incredibly rapid pace at which major events occurred in relation to each other in the first half of the movie so the film could make its statements.
I realize this is a movie industry person's movie (particularly when reading some of the professional critics' reviews) so I'm certain there are important craftsmanship qualities to it and/or historical importance in terms of the evolution of this type of small budget film that I'm not getting, and I appreciate what was attempted, but its not one I need to see again, and I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone as a must see. I'm on the fence right now as to whether I'll give it points or not, but my gut is saying probably not.
I realize this is a movie industry person's movie (particularly when reading some of the professional critics' reviews) so I'm certain there are important craftsmanship qualities to it and/or historical importance in terms of the evolution of this type of small budget film that I'm not getting, and I appreciate what was attempted, but its not one I need to see again, and I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone as a must see. I'm on the fence right now as to whether I'll give it points or not, but my gut is saying probably not.
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wikkidpissah
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I had the puzzling fortune to meet Kris Kristofferson backstage @ a Leon Russell concert in '76.
I had an ABC national press credential from having the good fortune to string the story of the heart attack on the campaign trail of presidential candidate Terry Sanford for the network & used it to its fullest (Montreal Olympics, DNC in NYC, Bicentennial, tall ships, etc) capacity. Leon was playing the upholstered toilet which was Schaeffer Stadium, the original Foxboro facility & the most cheaply built major sport facility of all time. My entire goal with my backstage pass was to meet The Most Beautiful Woman in the World, especially to one whose dad was a registered Native American, Rita Coolidge, who played a mini-set within Leon's show (sometimes feat. her famous hubby, sometimes not), as well as singing backup..
LSS, i wrangle an intro to goddess and was immediately lost in the sight of her. Warm bronze skin, melting chocolate eyes, the lines and soft manner of a doe at dawn, conch belt dangling from a perfect arc of hip. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *boom* "And this is my husband......"
I felt more conflicted than when Van Dyke Parks had given me the keys to a hotel room with eight naked women in its bed (see "Insufficient Writhing" in my story thread). My bodily essence already churning, my eyes cast from the soul sauna which was Miss Coolidge, to the cold splash of Mr Kristtoferson's nautical eyes & furry, perfect smile. Think it sprained my penis. Word was, "sweetest guy in the world til the whiskey gets him", though
I just like that Fassbinder had the courage to remove motive entirely (except couscous, of course) from the story. Need love, get love, hold love. Flicks is too glib for their own good these days.
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Yankee23Fan
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It's an awesome performance in a beautiful movie. The story is about taking joy in the little things; finding happiness in the moment.
It's cinema. Masterfully done and well worth it.
otb_lifer
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
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This is likely a function of the years picked. So far, each of them have had specific movies that I have seen so much and enjoy so much that there was no need to watch them again. It's also a result of me not enjoying certain genre's - I am not a huge fan of documentaries and horror for example. So while I could watch movies in those themes, it's just not my cup of tea.
The next year I might have to watch one or two, although as you and I have discussed via PM - I have some solid opinions on a few of them already as well.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Damn. Library doesn’t have it either. I could get it loaned in from another library maybe.
krista4
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
Gotta cover it tonight or I won't have time to get to it.
Have my list completed in tiers except possibly throwing this one in there.Appreciating Alice more the more I think about it, by the way. You're right about the opening scene - beautiful. I think I stayed away from the movie for all these years because of that sit-com that came out of it.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You will have to let me know what you think of it.Gotta cover it tonight or I won't have time to get to it.
Appreciating Alice more the more I think about it, by the way. You're right about the opening scene - beautiful. I think I stayed away from the movie for all these years because of that sit-com that came out of it.
krista4
Footballguy
I thought it was some slick, pretty movie-making with a lot of implausible plot points. Ultimately it felt unsatisfying, but I'll probably give it a point or two in my lowest tier just for some of the shots and sequences. To wit: opening sequence (which I watched twice), scene a la Clockwork Orange where he's strapped in watching sequences of photos, closing scenes with the band/candidate/kids with cards. Some specific shots I loved: the escalator shots in the closing scenes, the scene of the candidate coming in on the golf cart where the screen gets more and more filled with black (thought it bold to have so much black space on the screen for so long), scenes of Beatty and his former FBI friend on the kids' train. Loved the movie-making, didn't love the plot or story overall (though liked the ending).
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
the movie Shampoo was the guy's life.krista4 said:
so jealous.
krista4
Footballguy
Final 1974 list - five tiers this time (sent also to KP)
Godfather Part II 25
Chinatown 19
Ali: Fear Eats the Soul 19
A Woman Under the Influence 19
Texas Chain Saw Massacre 19
Blazing Saddles 19
The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz 16
Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore 16
Young Frankenstein 9
Hearts and Minds 9
The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser 9
The Taking of Pelham One Two Three 3
The Parallax View 3
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia 3
The Longest Yard 3
California Split 3
The Conversation 3
Celine and Julie Go Boating 3
Chinatown 19
Ali: Fear Eats the Soul 19
A Woman Under the Influence 19
Texas Chain Saw Massacre 19
Blazing Saddles 19
The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz 16
Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore 16
Young Frankenstein 9
Hearts and Minds 9
The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser 9
The Taking of Pelham One Two Three 3
The Parallax View 3
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia 3
The Longest Yard 3
California Split 3
The Conversation 3
Celine and Julie Go Boating 3
Eephus
Footballguy
Beatty's talent as an actor is to absorb the characters he portrays. It's almost like the opposite of acting in a way. Cary Grant was another star who did this but in a much less understated style than Beatty.
He was also smart enough to understand that audiences came to see him, which made him the most important part of a project. He was a hired hand on The Parallax View but he produced and Shampoo and a number of other properties. He was able to build interesting films around him with scripts he believed in and talented people on the other side of the camera
Eephus
Footballguy
There were a lot of paranoid thrillers in the wake of Vietnam and Watergate. A number including this one Executive Action, Blow Out and Winter Kills involved assassinations and others featured a shadowy political-industrial complex as the enemy. They had a dark inevitability about them that you rarely see at the movies these days.krista4 said:
Gordon Willis was the cinematographer on The Parallax View. He had a pretty good 1974 because he was also the DP for Godfather Part II.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I was 12 when this movie came out and had other things on my mind (like Raquel Welch's boobs and the Baltimore Orioles and how rich I was going to be) but, for whatever reason, I remember picking up on how big a deal this movie was for my mother and her friends. These were all women in their late 20s to mid-30s, all with kids around my age, most all of them stay-at-home moms.krista4 said:
When I popped into the world, my mother was 18 years old. She and my dad had gotten married 6 months before (I was not premature and there are no wedding pictures).
I'm projecting here, but it's not hard to imagine how trapped women like my mother must have felt. And they watched the feminist movement play out on TV around this time, Roe v Wade happen. They had to be thinking "what if....?".
I think I only saw this movie once, maybe ten or fifteen years after its original release. IIRC, my then-wife and I were doing a Scorsese marathon by renting the videos of his movies in chronological order of release. I don't recall the film itself leaving much of a mark on me, but I DO remember it bringing back memories of my mother and her friends, filling up ashtrays after coming home from the movies, and hushing whenever my brother and I would get close.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It still is so weird to me that Scorsese directed that. It is so out of his wheelhouse. Is there even another movie of his anywhere similar to Alice in genre, theme, etc?krista4 said:Appreciating Alice more the more I think about it, by the way. You're right about the opening scene - beautiful. I think I stayed away from the movie for all these years because of that sit-com that came out of it.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
while not similar in theme, "After Hours" is also out his wheelhouse, and is one of the great hidden gems of the '80s - i rank it right behind "Something Wild" and "Repo Man" - it's a dark and quirkily comedic flick (HORSCHT!!!1! KIKI!!1!) -just like one feels like they need a shower after TMC, you'll need a nap after toiling with Griffin Dunne's duress in "AH".
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