SierraKiloBravo
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I disagree. It's more like Eric Metcalf or Christian Okoye.
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Fire up the Torain bandwagon...! (1 Viewer)
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WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
I think that he's more comparable to Natrone Means and Eric Dickerson.
I know you're joking but I thought I'd mention that the other day the announcers pointed out that Penn St's current backup RB (#21, can't recall his name) once gained 330 yards in a HS game... ON 6 CARRIES.
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-baller
Footballguy
yeah, well I'd expect a college player to run wild over high school kids -- even a back up.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
It couldn't have been a better day yesterday for Torain's chances. Hall's fumbles, offensive and defensive struggles... it looks like they could use a pick me up in the form of Torain after the bye.
Here's hoping...
Texican
Footballguy
Excellent Posting
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Well, this thread has really taken a turn for the worst.
I think it's pretty relevant that Andre Hall fumbled twice, Pittman got a bit nicked up, and Selvin Young's groin is obviously still bothering him. I didn't expect Torain to be given this job, but it might happen simply because of the circumstances, and we all know how valuable a Denver RB is if they're getting the majority of the carries.
The Broncos are running the ball effectively with Michael Pittman! As a Buc fan, I've seen this guy get tackled by the grass more times than I can count. The way the coaches have talked about Torain and the fact that they haven't IR'ed him gives me the impression that he is going to see the ball. I don't really see the downside here if he's still on your waiver wire. I dropped Mark Clayton for him two weeks ago.
Torain can't really hurt your season, but he could give one hell of a boost if he pans out late in the season and into the fantasy playoffs.
I realize some of the posters in here are gushing a bit, but that's no reason to be down on Torain going forward.
I think it's pretty relevant that Andre Hall fumbled twice, Pittman got a bit nicked up, and Selvin Young's groin is obviously still bothering him. I didn't expect Torain to be given this job, but it might happen simply because of the circumstances, and we all know how valuable a Denver RB is if they're getting the majority of the carries.
The Broncos are running the ball effectively with Michael Pittman! As a Buc fan, I've seen this guy get tackled by the grass more times than I can count. The way the coaches have talked about Torain and the fact that they haven't IR'ed him gives me the impression that he is going to see the ball. I don't really see the downside here if he's still on your waiver wire. I dropped Mark Clayton for him two weeks ago.
Torain can't really hurt your season, but he could give one hell of a boost if he pans out late in the season and into the fantasy playoffs.
I realize some of the posters in here are gushing a bit, but that's no reason to be down on Torain going forward.
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
First I've heard of this. Details, please.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He was down on the field at least once right before Hall came in and fumbled, and I think he got dinged again later in the game.
He obviously came back in, but he also had a history of little ailments causing him to miss games in Tampa.
The Denver system is making him look a lot better than he is. I've watched him play these last two games and he still looks like he runs on his tip toes, gets tackled with little contact, and lacks great vision. There seem to be large holes being created for him, but he doesn't have the speed to really gash a defense.
My point being that Torain could excel if given the opportunity.
He obviously came back in, but he also had a history of little ailments causing him to miss games in Tampa.
The Denver system is making him look a lot better than he is. I've watched him play these last two games and he still looks like he runs on his tip toes, gets tackled with little contact, and lacks great vision. There seem to be large holes being created for him, but he doesn't have the speed to really gash a defense.
My point being that Torain could excel if given the opportunity.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
Being a new Pittman owner, last night was the first I watched Denver and Pittman this year and this was pretty much exactly my take. Pittman takes a lot of needless hits and he likely won't hold up as a result. I'm trying to get my hands on Torain via trade as he could be big late.Seconded.
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
An opportunity does seem to be presenting itself for Torain. In the past (Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis), we've seen Denver backs break long runs for touchdowns. The current lot is not proving to be able to break these. I believe that Torain will be given opportunities going forward, and his style lends itself to the Broncos running game. If he gets 10 carries in his first game and breaks a couple of them for long gains...he starts to earn a bigger part of the pie. If he fumbles (due to weaker arm), he'll find himself playing checkers on the bench with Andre Hall.
Andre Hall really shot himself in the foot last night. He had a major opportunity to gain more of a presence in that offense, and he literally dropped the ball.
Pittman looked serviceable, and sometimes explosive, to me, but lacking the top end speed when he got into the secondary.
Torain is worth the gamble, IMO, now more than ever. Theres a slight chance that they use the bye week to prepare him as a starter for week 9.
Andre Hall really shot himself in the foot last night. He had a major opportunity to gain more of a presence in that offense, and he literally dropped the ball.
Pittman looked serviceable, and sometimes explosive, to me, but lacking the top end speed when he got into the secondary.
Torain is worth the gamble, IMO, now more than ever. Theres a slight chance that they use the bye week to prepare him as a starter for week 9.
Ghoti
Footballguy
I'm guardedly in for the Torain hype. I'm not sure if I would be trading anyone respectable for him just yet, but the performance of Hall last night gave me hope that Shanny will want to shake up the running game over the bye week. Denver came out fast out of the gate but have played lousy for the last month. I would be shocked if Torain starts within the next couple of weeks, but he should be given a chance to get some carries, prove himself, and possibly make some noise later in the season.
Ghoti
Footballguy
(Rotoworld) Broncos beat writer Mike Klis believes rookie RB Ryan Torain (elbow) will receive his first NFL carries in relief of Michael Pittman in Week 9.
Analysis: After missing the entire preseason and all regular seven games, Klis doesn't expect Torain to play much right off the bat. His late-season role will likely depend on how much of an impression he makes with the carries he does receive. Torain makes for a nice stash for those who can afford the roster space.
Link: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10777636
This is more or less what I figured. He will have a chance to prove himself, but if he doesn't separate himself from the crowd he will end up mired in the Denver RBBC slog with the others. My fingers are crossed.
Analysis: After missing the entire preseason and all regular seven games, Klis doesn't expect Torain to play much right off the bat. His late-season role will likely depend on how much of an impression he makes with the carries he does receive. Torain makes for a nice stash for those who can afford the roster space.
Link: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10777636
This is more or less what I figured. He will have a chance to prove himself, but if he doesn't separate himself from the crowd he will end up mired in the Denver RBBC slog with the others. My fingers are crossed.
beavers
Footballguy
Here's to hoping Torrain rips off a couple of nice runs!
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
It was apparent, just watching the game. Guy was giving it his all, but was taking some licks, and got up slowly repeatedly. I just think he didn't want to disappoint so badly, plus it's Monday night, that he kept playing through it. Older bones...
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Understood, but, is there a reason to be 'up' or high on Torain,either?not from what I can see...he could be Barry Sanders II, but with Shanahan calling the shots, you're better off looking elsewhere for a RB..your whole idea is resting on the notion that Shanny has seen the light,that he's about change, and go to a 1-back system, something he has not done since Portis left. To Shanahan,that would be like admitting he screwed in the past...not sure Shanny can swallow his pride and go back to what made Denver a great team in the past..remember,this is the same guy that said Barlow was the best RB in football..he's bungled this Denver RB situation long enough,they need to get back to being a running team,but will Shanahan do it, thats the real question..
the other part your forgetting is that Torain will need time to adjust, is he even practicing now? this is essentially his pre-season..so for the next 4-5 weeks, he's going to be a typical rookie, making mistakes, missing assignments, etc..
unless he's Clinton Portis v2.0, I'm highly skeptical of his situation.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
I think you're overanalyzing it. He's free. WW fodder.You're getting a guy that could do well in a good system, with a nice schedule. I don't care if it's two games that pan out, he's free. And with the rest of the backfield dropping like flies, it is not at all far-fetched at this point.
Shanahan will have no problem whatsoever using him, if he does anything. He drafted him didn't he?
Again, it's free, what's not to like (unless maybe you don't have the roster space or you own one of the others...)?
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
My responses...
No, no reason at all, other than the fact that he was heading towards the starting job at the beginning of the year before getting hurt...the fact that he's a great fit for the Denver blocking scheme...the fact that Andre Hall has fumbled his way out of contention for significant playing time...the fact that Selvin as predicted by Shanny can not stay healthy...the fact that Pittman is carrying the load for the Broncos, but he isn't holding up either and he's 33...the fact that Shanahan and Cutler have praised Torain highly...the fact that they didn't IR him when they knew he would be out for a significant portion of the season...the fact that they are pointing at him to revive their offense...the fact that the Broncos are doing a pretty good job at running the ball this year...the fact that Shanahan has had featured backs in the past...the fact that Torain was a beast in college.Other than that, you are correct, that are no reasons to be optomistic.
Not true...Shanahan has been running in a one-back system the last couple of weeks with Pittman. That's pretty recent. And before you say that the other guys are hurt...there was nothing wrong with Andre Hall and he didn't get carries until Pittman got hurt.
The running game has not been the problem for Denver...Shanahan really isn't 'bungling' anything...he just hasn't had the beast to rely on. So the fantasy footballers of the world don't like the situation...so what? I think Shanny has more important things to deal with than delivering the next great fantasy back (like getting a defense).
Yes, he's practicing. And yes, he could be Clinton Portis v2.0, that is what Torains supporters have been saying. But it's a stash and pray at this point...but the odds are looking a little bit better now with recent developments. I'm guessing 50/50 Pittman/Torain after the bye...and if Torain breaks a couple, the sky is the limit.
DrJamesAndrews Fan
Footballguy
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10786911?source=rss
Torain's time could be coming
At the risk of telling you something you already knew, Michael Pittman has emerged as the Broncos' starting tailback.
Du jour. For now. As of today. Or this second, maybe I should say.
Stuff happens in the Broncos' backfield, where undrafted free agents can start and backup fullbacks and sixth-rounders can become stars.
Now comes Ryan Torain. Or at least he has a chance to. Having practiced only a few times since the early days of training camp, maybe it's too much to ask for Torain to be a factor this season.
Then again, the Broncos have reached the point where they need a shakeup. First place in the AFC West or no first place, they're staring at the possibility of missing the playoffs for a third straight season, which would be a first in Mike Shanahan's coaching career.
What's Shanahan to do? The fact is, there isn't much he can do with the defense. It isn't like he can bring in a handful of waiver-wire warriors to save the day.
But he could turn to Torain for a spark. Torain, the Broncos' fifth-round draft choice out of Arizona State, was making a move toward the starting lineup when he sustained a dislocated elbow in training camp.
Almost three months later, he's ready to return to the lineup. He began practicing last week and is expected to be in uniform for the Miami game after the bye week.
How much will he play? That remains to be seen, but know this: Shanahan needs to make a bold move to awaken his struggling team, and starting Torain could be it.
Torain's time could be coming
At the risk of telling you something you already knew, Michael Pittman has emerged as the Broncos' starting tailback.
Du jour. For now. As of today. Or this second, maybe I should say.
Stuff happens in the Broncos' backfield, where undrafted free agents can start and backup fullbacks and sixth-rounders can become stars.
Now comes Ryan Torain. Or at least he has a chance to. Having practiced only a few times since the early days of training camp, maybe it's too much to ask for Torain to be a factor this season.
Then again, the Broncos have reached the point where they need a shakeup. First place in the AFC West or no first place, they're staring at the possibility of missing the playoffs for a third straight season, which would be a first in Mike Shanahan's coaching career.
What's Shanahan to do? The fact is, there isn't much he can do with the defense. It isn't like he can bring in a handful of waiver-wire warriors to save the day.
But he could turn to Torain for a spark. Torain, the Broncos' fifth-round draft choice out of Arizona State, was making a move toward the starting lineup when he sustained a dislocated elbow in training camp.
Almost three months later, he's ready to return to the lineup. He began practicing last week and is expected to be in uniform for the Miami game after the bye week.
How much will he play? That remains to be seen, but know this: Shanahan needs to make a bold move to awaken his struggling team, and starting Torain could be it.
SierraKiloBravo
Footballguy
Hey Doc ... how'd Reggie's knee turn out?
To say it's very very low would be to ignore the facts.
WarRedbirds
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
hmmmm....someone must have gotten him off the WW before you could get him....lol
Gopher State
Footballguy
I own Torain and Pittman in a ten team redraft, and I thinking about kicking Torain to the curve this week, and here's why:
The Denver defense is currently rated 28th vs the pass and 29th vs the rush, They couldn't stop a team of Ryan Leaf and Shawn Alexander right now.
Plus add to the mix the Boss Bailey is done for the season, their #3 tackler on defense
And Champ Bailey, mr shut down, could be out 6 weeks, anyone want to bet this defense improves?
Denver has not rushed for a TD since week 3, bad RB's? maybe, not so great o-line? possible, or could it be that their defense is so bad they have to pass all the time to try
win games?
IMO Denver is going to have to score about 30+ points a game with their current defense, which means mucho passing
Who's going to be back their pass blocking, Pittman who is an excellent blocker, and by the way a very good receiver or are you going to trust your
star qb's future to a rookie RB, who has missed training camp, and is coming back after 9 weeks on the sideline to pass block
This is not the Denver team of old, the defense is one of the worst they ever had. I take the over that Denver is behind in most games come the 4th quarter.
Plus, if somehow Torain gets to be the guy between the 20's, I still bet Pittman gets the goalline work
In bigger leagues 16 teams + Torain's worth the gamble, less then 16 not worth the space imo.
The Denver defense is currently rated 28th vs the pass and 29th vs the rush, They couldn't stop a team of Ryan Leaf and Shawn Alexander right now.
Plus add to the mix the Boss Bailey is done for the season, their #3 tackler on defense
And Champ Bailey, mr shut down, could be out 6 weeks, anyone want to bet this defense improves?
Denver has not rushed for a TD since week 3, bad RB's? maybe, not so great o-line? possible, or could it be that their defense is so bad they have to pass all the time to try
win games?
IMO Denver is going to have to score about 30+ points a game with their current defense, which means mucho passing
Who's going to be back their pass blocking, Pittman who is an excellent blocker, and by the way a very good receiver or are you going to trust your
star qb's future to a rookie RB, who has missed training camp, and is coming back after 9 weeks on the sideline to pass block
This is not the Denver team of old, the defense is one of the worst they ever had. I take the over that Denver is behind in most games come the 4th quarter.
Plus, if somehow Torain gets to be the guy between the 20's, I still bet Pittman gets the goalline work
In bigger leagues 16 teams + Torain's worth the gamble, less then 16 not worth the space imo.
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
deep vacuum
Footballguy
I'm drinking the coolaid. If he pans out, great. If not, I finally own a Denver Rb against my better judgement.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
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Come on, man, don't pour salt in his womb.But to actually respond to his post, let me ask this: maybe they try running the ball more to keep their defense off the field? It seemed like that was the plan against New England until Hall fumbled twice in Patriots territory.
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gethugefast1
Footballguy
Ryan "The Train" Torain Highlights (not the best quality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_bdlrXQczU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_bdlrXQczU
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
You sure he wasn't just picking up towels?Broncs had Vernand Morency in for a tryout.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
On acid maybe. He's kind of a bruising back like Mike hart or William the refrigerator perry.Yes. Do you?
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
At least you know the other teams Kicker/ST's were good. The coach only use him in the negative redzone (inside YOUR 20).And why no more carries? Mercy? Haslett woulda fired him.I know you're joking but I thought I'd mention that the other day the announcers pointed out that Penn St's current backup RB (#21, can't recall his name) once gained 330 yards in a HS game... ON 6 CARRIES.
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I disagree with (and for the record have been burned in the past by) the sentiment to stay away from Shanny re: rb. YES it can be maddening. But Shanny is like that lil wormy guy who would almost rather beat you with "style" than just win. He LOVES himself and would love nothing more than to take a guy from "nowhere" and turn him into a thousand yard back. The problem is it's usually tough to isolate thatguy through all the coachspeak, BUT if you get THAT GUY it usually pays large dividends. Torrain is like a medical IPO start up that has just cleared the FDA hurdle. Now let's just see if the drug is any good?
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
The bottom line is the running game is a mess at this point. Young is hurt for who knows how long. Hall is so far in the dog house right now it is not funny--Shanny hates fumblers and his actions on Monday pretty much sealed Denver's fate early on. Pittman does okay, but he runs so hard on every play and he takes so much punishment, he can't 100% be counted on to finish a game. There were several plays on Monday night, it looked like he was knocked out.Unlike an earlier poster who believes Denver will be throwing on every down, Denver is not going to abandon the run and as Shanny has shown in the past, even a middle of the road talent can be made to look good. This team is going to need to change some of it strategy and ball control will be a big part of that. Your defense can't be as easily exposed if they aren't on the field as much. I can see them trying to shorten games by controling the clock more.
All this add up to a chance for a rookie RB who COULD be in the right place at the right time. Denver knew this kid was going to be out until after the bye, yet they kept him on the active roster--that has to show you something about the confidence they have in. I was amazed he wasn't placed on the PUP list prior to the end of pre-season.
I mean, everyone is writing off Denver like they are done, but last time I looked they are #1 in a very weak AFC West with the favorite SD looking like junk right now. The goal is just get in the playoffs and anything can happen. This is easily one of the most competitive. open seasons I have seen in a while.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Very
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
for being straight highlight plays i didn't really see anything special. JR Redmonds highlight real like 8years ago were more impressive and that sun devil didn't produce in the nfl
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Kicking him to the curve hey? Hopefully it's not a curve full of "bob wire" that leads to a "salty womb" otherwise this is just a "mute point"lol
maxwell1295
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Watch the Patriots beat the Rams in the Super Bowl. He produced in that game. Mainly on the drive where Madden said they should play for overtime.ninerfanatic492000 said:
