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Seems about right these days.Florida 18, you have a corker as one of your cadidates. (He's an independent)
Seems about right these days.Florida 18, you have a corker as one of your cadidates. (He's an independent)
looking at that guy’s twitter feedFlorida 18, you have a corker as one of your cadidates. (He's an independent)
Beat me to it....I hope this doesn't go like I think it's going to. Their only hope is to change their collective tune towards masks (which, to this point, has been REALLY anti-mask).Uh oh. The day a lot of us in this thread have feared may be upon us:
‘If It’s Here, It’s Here’: America’s Retirees Confront the Virus in Florida
Uh oh. The day a lot of us in this thread have feared may be upon us:
‘If It’s Here, It’s Here’: America’s Retirees Confront the Virus in Florida
Best quote from the article:
'You can't stop living. But you can stop being cavalier."
This sums up my feelings perfectly.
The only reason schools need to be open and the nfl needs to be playing is because Trump wants you to forget all this in november.I'm really struggling to understand this mandate for schools HAVING to be open. The most often heard "logic" I hear around this topic is "because parents need to be able to work". That's cool...I get it, but has anyone been paying attention to the job situation? Here in Central Florida (not unique) we rely HEAVILY on tourism. Orange County has been collecting approx 3-5% of their tourism dollars since this thing started and it's not really getting much better. Great, everyone's at work, now what? Large companies will likely be fine though they are taking a hit, but small/medium companies are going to get really beat up partially open.
Not sure if anyone is paying attention nationally, but our name is pretty much mud in terms of handling this thing. There is zero confidence in our condition and ability to keep people safe. People are staying home and rightfully so. I just don't understand these decisions knowing we are fully entrenched in the "confidence" portion of the program and no one has any in us. I mean, the Bahamas has shut off access to their country...Florida being a big part of that decision. We seem to be floundering after being on a real strong path to success initially.
Just close your eyes Real Tight and it will all "go away".The only reason schools need to be open and the nfl needs to be playing is because Trump wants you to forget all this in november.
It's a lot more than that. The part that seems to be getting lost is people still have a choice. Teachers can refuse to come in. Parents can keep their kids home and attend remotely. Mandating schools being open doesn't mean anyone actually has to go to them, but a lot of people want them to be, and do rely on them for a lot more than just a place to dump their kids.I'm really struggling to understand this mandate for schools HAVING to be open. The most often heard "logic" I hear around this topic is "because parents need to be able to work".
If you can't understand how putting 30 7 year olds in a room that is 30 foot by 30 foot is different than a walmart you have never been in a class roomIt's a lot more than that. The part that seems to be getting lost is people still have a choice. Teachers can refuse to come in. Parents can keep their kids home and attend remotely. Mandating schools being open doesn't mean anyone actually has to go to them, but a lot of people want them to be, and do rely on them for a lot more than just a place to dump their kids.
Why is a school any different than a Publix or a Wal-Mart? Have precautions. Follow them. Adapt.
If the normal class size is ~30 I’d expect we would see COVID class sizes of ~15 give or take a few. Space out the desks and have them wear masks. It really isn’t that hard.If you can't understand how putting 30 7 year olds in a room that is 30 foot by 30 foot is different than a walmart you have never been in a class room
again you expect 6 and 7 year old to wear masks and socially distance? They can't even keep their fingers out of their bumIf the normal class size is ~30 I’d expect we would see COVID class sizes of ~15 give or take a few. Space out the desks and have them wear masks. It really isn’t that hard.
This isn't a serious question, is it?Why is a school any different than a Publix or a Wal-Mart?
Yes? Kids come in. They sit at their desk. The teacher teaches. Lunch. Kids back to their desk. Recess. Kids come back to class. Teach. Day over.again you expect 6 and 7 year old to wear masks and socially distance? They can't even keep their fingers out of their bum
classes aren't big enought to put 6 feet between the desks. The best you could maybe do is split the class into 3 and rotate the times they come to school
I just don't think you are thinking of the complexities of this
Don't forget about all the neural atypical kids (typically 3-4 per class) who would potentially be traumatized by having to wearing masks
you have clearly never been in a classroom. Class is nothing like that...Yes? Kids come in. They sit at their desk. The teacher teaches. Lunch. Kids back to their desk. Recess. Kids come back to class. Teach. Day over.
It doesn’t have to be complex. Kids adapt a lot better than adults do in many situations. Keep it simple.
Everyone has answered you above and it's clearly hugely different. This seems like a strange argument or you aren't readingDaycares are open.
Wal-Mart, Lowe’s, and Publix. All open. People are Congregating in these places ALL DAY LONG!
Why is the school any different?
Ok.you have clearly never been in a classroom. Class is nothing like that...
Take retail out then. How are daycares open without massive outbreaks?Everyone has answered you above and it's clearly hugely different. This seems like a strange argument or you aren't reading
Because daycare has 6 kids under 4 years old. Those kids can sit by themselves and play like they do mostly anyway.Take retail out then. How are daycares open without massive outbreaks?
perhaps read and consider that you may be oversimplifying the situationDaycares are open.
Wal-Mart, Lowe’s, and Publix. All open. People are Congregating in these places ALL DAY LONG!
Why is the school any different?
Church based daycares have hundreds of kids. Ample staff. All open. All in close proximity. Daily. Please explain why the schools need to be closed.Because daycare has 6 kids under 4 years old. Those kids can sit by themselves and play like they do mostly anyway.
I backed off retail. Bad example apparently. Why can the huge church daycares be open but schools can’t?perhaps read and consider that you may be oversimplifying the situation
I'm done...it has been explained over and over again. It's not the same thing.Church based daycares have hundreds of kids. Ample staff. All open. All in close proximity. Daily. Please explain why the schools need to be closed.
I can give you a laundry list of reasons why a school is different from a Publix or a Walmart, but that's not the point. I don't understand the "reason" of "getting back to work" when many of them are people who are in the tourism industry that is virtually non existent. Doesn't make sense. The other reasons kids go to school (primarily food related) can be addressed without forcing these people to choose between a job on the verge of extinction and putting their kids in a potentially dangerous situation.It's a lot more than that. The part that seems to be getting lost is people still have a choice. Teachers can refuse to come in. Parents can keep their kids home and attend remotely. Mandating schools being open doesn't mean anyone actually has to go to them, but a lot of people want them to be, and do rely on them for a lot more than just a place to dump their kids.
Why is a school any different than a Publix or a Wal-Mart? Have precautions. Follow them. Adapt.
Not to mention for 8 hours straight. Apply some logic.If the normal class size is ~30 I’d expect we would see COVID class sizes of ~15 give or take a few. Space out the desks and have them wear masks. It really isn’t that hard.
If you take a typical school, and limit the classrooms down from 30 to 15 where are the additional classrooms going to come from to accommodate the other 15 kids?If the normal class size is ~30 I’d expect we would see COVID class sizes of ~15 give or take a few. Space out the desks and have them wear masks. It really isn’t that hard.
I thought I did. Guess the governor and I are on an island by ourselves. I’ll bow out.Not to mention for 8 hours straight. Apply some logic.
I’m assuming the parents of half the student body have decided to learn remotely as most surveys suggested they would do.If you take a typical school, and limit the classrooms down from 30 to 15 where are the additional classrooms going to come from to accommodate the other 15 kids?
My kids go to a daycare with hundreds of other kids separated by rooms and “teachers.” It very much is basically the exact same thing.I'm done...it has been explained over and over again. It's not the same thing.
In california where i live a daycare cannot have more than 12 kids with a ratio of 6:1
Maybe have retail in daycare or vice versa. Everybody winsTake retail out then. How are daycares open without massive outbreaks?
I don’t agree with everything you’ve posted in this thread, but I hate the way these debates always boil down to “Schools must reopen full time” vs. “We absolutely can’t open schools at all.” For one thing, I don’t agree with either position, and I suspect I’m not alone there. Both options have major potential downsides.I thought I did. Guess the governor and I are on an island by ourselves. I’ll bow out.
Great post. In places without runaway infections, a hybrid (A day, B day) model is what I’m pulling for.I don’t agree with everything you’ve posted in this thread, but I hate the way these debates always boil down to “Schools must reopen full time” vs. “We absolutely can’t open schools at all.” For one thing, I don’t agree with either position, and I suspect I’m not alone there. Both options have major potential downsides.
But more importantly, that’s not the debate we should be having. What we need to be discussing is what steps we need to start taking right now if we want to reopen schools next month. It’s not going to be easy (which is my main point of disagreement with your posts) and if Florida is unable to get its daily case count down below 10K it almost certainly won’t happen at all, at least not in any of the major population centers.
And that’s my main problem with the Trump (and to a slightly lesser extent DeSantis) position. You can’t reopen schools by fiat and simply hand wave away all the complications. I want to hear a lot more about how they’re setting safety benchmarks that schools have to meet in order to reopen and making sure they have the resources to meet them.
Yeah I think that may be realistic. The current plan for Miami — which almost certainly won’t happen unless things improve rapidly — would make a lot of sense in the kinds of places you’re talking about: if a school is below 75% capacity, it can bring students back full time. If it’s over that number, it has to use a hybrid model. But it’s still going to be hard to pull this off safelyGreat post. In places without runaway infections, a hybrid (A day, B day) model is what I’m pulling for.
Not bad. He's showing some flexibility about how schools open.
Seems like grassroots groups are starting to pop up all over. We have two small ones here in my town that I just ran across. Now the problem will be, "determining the amount of money people actually owe" as a stall tactic....some have been told "we need to figure out what you owe" and then been told it could take years.Lebron James is helping to raise money so people can pay off fines to be able to vote.
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/24/lebron-james-joins-push-to-turn-out-ex-felon-vote-in-florida-1303417
This is the organization that’s been raising money - over $1.6M so far:
https://wegotthevote.org/finesandfees/
I agree, knowing how much people owe is a problem because the state can’t even figure that out.Seems like grassroots groups are starting to pop up all over. We have two small ones here in my town that I just ran across. Now the problem will be, "determining the amount of money people actually owe" as a stall tactic....some have been told "we need to figure out what you owe" and then been told it could take years.
What's stopping the State from fabricating ridiculously high fees? What's stopping judges from imposing million dollar fines for all but white-collar felonies?I agree, knowing how much people owe is a problem because the state can’t even figure that out.
What could his money actually accomplish at this point? GOP legislators and DeSantis aren’t going to change their minds. Only way to fix it is by electing more Dems this year and defeating DeSantis in ‘22 ... and expanding the electorate, particularly to people who now have all the motivation in the world to vote these people out, seems like a good way to accomplish that.Lebron's money would be better spent lobbying to change the law.
This is brilliant...Lebron James is helping to raise money so people can pay off fines to be able to vote.
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/24/lebron-james-joins-push-to-turn-out-ex-felon-vote-in-florida-1303417
This is the organization that’s been raising money - over $1.6M so far:
https://wegotthevote.org/finesandfees/
Food for thought: in early August 2016, Hillary Clinton led in the polls in Florida by around 3.5 points. By election day, Trump had gained around 4 points and was leading in the polls, and he ended up winning Florida by 1.2 points. That's a total swing of around 4.7 points.‘I’d rather be Trump than Biden.’ Why Florida should be close in 2020, despite polls
Whole lotta spin going on in this article, but I mostly agree with the conclusions. Biden could certainly win Florida, particularly if he maintains as big a lead as he has right now. But I don't really get the sense that he's unlocked the state. Specifically, based on everything I've read, Trump has done a much better job targeting the Latino vote. He won't win it, but he could certainly hold Biden's margins down while turning out his base of Cubans, rural voters and Villages retirees. That's what has driven GOP's historical success here, including in 2018 when Florida looked a lot more like the GOP base states where Trump super-charged turnout, rather than Blue Wave states where he got swamped in the suburbs.
Id really like to believe this but i just can't. Funny tidbit ...people have been trying to set up a pro trump display of support at a busy intersection here. Just as they get set up the skies open up and dump on them. every single day....Food for thought: in early August 2016, Hillary Clinton led in the polls in Florida by around 3.5 points. By election day, Trump had gained around 4 points and was leading in the polls, and he ended up winning Florida by 1.2 points. That's a total swing of around 4.7 points.
Biden's current lead in Florida polls is 6.7 points.
The point is: polls may not guarantee anything, but they give you an idea of A) how much ground a candidate is likely to make up in 100 days, and B) how many points a former underdog is likely to make up on election day.
So, I'm not saying that Trump can't erase a 6.7-point-deficit in 96 days.....but his own history is working against him here.
I donatedLebron James is helping to raise money so people can pay off fines to be able to vote.
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/07/24/lebron-james-joins-push-to-turn-out-ex-felon-vote-in-florida-1303417
This is the organization that’s been raising money - over $1.6M so far:
https://wegotthevote.org/finesandfees/