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We KNOW what he gets paid and what the coaching and ownership EXPECT for that salary. Whether that happens this season or next, its coming. They didn't draft him in the first round to be Foster's towel boy. If you think Foster is better than Williams, you really need to get out more. DISCLAIMER: I do not own DeAngelo in ANY Dynasty league. I chose Maroney.
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I actually got Julius Jones as my RB 3, Fred Taylor as RB 4, DeShaun Foster as RB 5, and Chris Brown as RB 6 in a recent redraft. Normally I take my thrid RB in round 4 or 5 at the latest. This draft I went RB,RB,WR,WR,WR,QB then started scooping up these crusty old vets. I really like that play this year.
That's probably accurate right now, but the more pre-season games that go by by the time you draft the higher he will creep.
Not to sound like a broken record, but Fox has never used a true RBBC and I am not sure that he will start now.
It will be foster if healthy. then Dewill while healthy. then Goings, while healthy.We all know how this will play out.:brokenrecord:
Correct...neither will be a viable fantasy starter.
Henning was the one not using RBBC. Davidson may do things differently. The fact is that they have both been working with the first team in camp. They didn't draft DeAngelo for him to sit on the bench. What will the split be? I don't know. But I really doubt that the running game this year is going to resemble what has happened in years past. Drafting either of these rb's on your fantasy team is a gamble of course, and it really will come down to how well Foster can do as the 'de facto' starter as to how much playing time each RB gets.
If you are risk averse you should avoid them both. But if you want to gamble, pick the one who you think is more talented.
Someone should start a thread debunking Foster.
Yeah right. Next thing you know, people won't see past what Thomas Jones was in Arizona. Oh wait. Bad example.This one had me rolling. I bet Anthony Thomas outperforms his ADP too, but it doesn't follow that I love him and want him anywhere near a starting lineup this year or ever again.
It's un-bee-lievable that people still want to count on Foster for their fantasy production.
You know, for his ADP...
One guy getting all the 1st string reps in training camp, every day, is probably a decent sign of a workhorse back. Two guys splitting time with a 1st string could be a sign of a RBBC or it could be a sign of two guys competing for the starting workhorse back job and the coach wanting to see both of them in the same situation.Not saying it might not end up RBBC, but just the fact they are splitting time right now probably isn't enough to assume that. Not this early in training camp, and especially when it was definitely expected both guys would be given a look.
I read that Foster is thriving in the new "zone blocking system" that the Panthers installed. Plus the fact that DWilly is a horrible pass blocker is halping him as well.
Man...why would you slam Bloom like that?
How did Foster look in the new "zone blocking system" against the Eagles last night? Didn't have a chance to see the game last night.
Foster looked okay at best, not a whole lot of blocking so not really his fault. Williams looked a lot better. Faster, shiftyer, and just all around better. Should be interesting.
Foster started and averaged 6.0 YPC, Williams came in later and averaged 3.6 YPC...both only on 3 carries...can you elaborate more how Williams looked better??Do you mean in college?
Nice deductive reasoning right there.
Bevause YPC always tells you how good someone looks...bravo.So Williams looked good and shifty in the 3 yards he ran per carry?Nice deductive reasoning right there.
I have to agree with norton here. They each had 3 rushes. Foster's were for 3, 4 and 11 yards. DWill's were for 7, 3 and 3. Obviously YPC doesn't always tell the whole story, but I'm not sure what all Williams could have been doing to look that much better than Foster despite gaining fewer yards and having a smaller YPC in that limited amount of work. And frankly, "shifty" isn't going to win him any points with the coaches in a zone blocking scheme. They don't want shifty, they want one cut and go. I really wanted Williams to be the guy for Carolina. It would have made my keeper team even better. But it just doesn't look like it's meant to be. Williams may be this year's Barlow. My keeper list was due today. Williams is not on it.(Also, the NFL.com play by play shows Williams with just a 7 yard run and 3 yard run but the box score shows 3 runs for 13 total yards. I don't know which one is right)Nice deductive reasoning right there.Bevause YPC always tells you how good someone looks...bravo.
I agree with you. If you look back on Pantherclub's postings, he doesn't like Foster, but he is a Williams fan. Pantherclub's opinions regarding the two RB's are not objective. In no way did Williams look better than Foster last night.
Williams loked better?
Man, you need to put down the bottle when watching the game.Foster not only made something out of nothing, he also faced the Eagles #1 D and put up better numbers than DWill, who mostly faced the #2 D.Williams loked better?
Dwill doesn't play in college anymore. Let it go.
He had three runs, 2 carries went for three yards, one of which he should have been able to make way more yardage, and then a 7 yarder. He also had a couple catches, but couldn't do anything with them in open space. Objectively, I don't see how anyone could say Williams looked better.I have to agree with norton here. They each had 3 rushes. Foster's were for 3, 4 and 11 yards. DWill's were for 7, 3 and 3. Obviously YPC doesn't always tell the whole story, but I'm not sure what all Williams could have been doing to look that much better than Foster despite gaining fewer yards and having a smaller YPC in that limited amount of work. And frankly, "shifty" isn't going to win him any points with the coaches in a zone blocking scheme. They don't want shifty, they want one cut and go. I really wanted Williams to be the guy for Carolina. It would have made my keeper team even better. But it just doesn't look like it's meant to be. Williams may be this year's Barlow. My keeper list was due today. Williams is not on it.(Also, the NFL.com play by play shows Williams with just a 7 yard run and 3 yard run but the box score shows 3 runs for 13 total yards. I don't know which one is right)Nice deductive reasoning right there.
good post . . .these pro-Williams posts have been a good source of comedy over the last fifteen months . . .He had three runs, 2 carries went for three yards, one of which he should have been able to make way more yardage, and then a 7 yarder. He also had a couple catches, but couldn't do anything with them in open space. Objectively, I don't see how anyone could say Williams looked better.I have to agree with norton here. They each had 3 rushes. Foster's were for 3, 4 and 11 yards. DWill's were for 7, 3 and 3. Obviously YPC doesn't always tell the whole story, but I'm not sure what all Williams could have been doing to look that much better than Foster despite gaining fewer yards and having a smaller YPC in that limited amount of work. And frankly, "shifty" isn't going to win him any points with the coaches in a zone blocking scheme. They don't want shifty, they want one cut and go. I really wanted Williams to be the guy for Carolina. It would have made my keeper team even better. But it just doesn't look like it's meant to be. Williams may be this year's Barlow. My keeper list was due today. Williams is not on it.(Also, the NFL.com play by play shows Williams with just a 7 yard run and 3 yard run but the box score shows 3 runs for 13 total yards. I don't know which one is right)Nice deductive reasoning right there.
Williams loked better?
Williams will have his day in the sun, but I'm thinking DW is this year's Benson of 06. (Where he won't get the full gig until Year 3). Owners want to find a way to justify starting him over the prior year's starter.
Most of us who got burned by Foster last year still have a sour taste in our mouths. But one thing I've learned in my 20 seasons of playing FF is to have a short memory. If Foster can help me this year, I'll try not to hold 2006 against him.. Especially considering that his price should be more palatable than drafting Williams.
Foster has some nice value this year. If he's around in the 6th or 7th round, I would roll the dice with him. As I mentioned, they have a very light schedule this year.
The only reason I would want Foster as my #4 instead of my #3 is his injury history. I hate labelling anyone as injury "prone" and I don't really believe Foster is... but, it's always better to be safe than sorry. I also don't think DWill won't see any carries at all, it would be stupid to think so, but I see Foster getting 18-20 when he's in there, and Dwill seeing 8-10. Foster will put up the better numbers, but neither will be your #1 guy.
Neither one of these RB's should be considered a fantasy teams "#1 guy". However, Foster makes a sneaky "FLEX" or RB 3 on your team each week IMO.
In my league last year the first-place team had Taylor and Jones-Drew. I finished second and had Bush and Barber. Those were key players in how both of our teams finished. Back on topic, I think Foster has nice value given his current ADP. If you have a strong foundation and can snap him up as your RB4 (and his current ADP suggests you can do that in a lot of drafts) that's a no-risk move in my opinion. If he doesn't pan out, it's not like you were counting heavily on him to carry your team. If he does pan out you have at worst a solid RB3 in flex leagues and maybe a decent RB2.
Only problem is your examples:Barlow vs. Hearst2001 1553 yards 5 TDs for Hearst (11.6 ppg)2002 1289 yards 9TDs for Hearst (11.4ppg)2003 1331 yards 7TDs for Barlow (10.9ppg) (Hearst put up 979 yards 4TDs in 12 games = 10.0ppg)Moore vs. Smith, well for one thing they only played one season together and Smith was suspended for part of it...2004 938 yards 4 TDs for Smith (in 11 games = 10.6ppg)2004 617 yards 0TDs for MooreBell vs Bell... well again, one year, and TBell did put up over 1000 yards, i's not like both backs were terribly mediocre.So if you are looking for a steal as a #3 or #4 RB, and someone who has the potential to put up #1 or #2 RB points at times during the season, then none of these situations was that bad. The problem only arises when you are counting on any of these players as your #1 or #2.I'm sorta leaning toward thinking this is more like the Hearst/Barlow situation than anything esle, especially considering both RBs saw the field alot all three seasons they played together, Hearst was considered injury prone but had shown flashes of ability previously. Barlow was a third round pick (maybe second) picked to be the future.
I think you are being a bit melodramatic. The previous pre-season game Foster played very well in, and DeAngelo didn't play in it because of a sore ankle. DeAngelo played friday nights game with the first string line, not the 4th string line. The first stringers played the whole first half. Pantherclub stated that DeAngelo looked better than Foster in Fridays game, and people who saw the game are saying no he didn't. I'm not sure why you have a problem with that.
about nothing looking explosive, however, you do have to give credit because almost every time Foster found the holes and many were not right in front of him. I was very imporessed by his vision as he allowed the blocks to work unlike so many runners who miss opportunities
I think that may have been done already.Someone should start a thread debunking Foster.
