Fox Sports: Cards make offer to James (3 Viewers)

[Tick]

To me, one of the big deals here is the loss of Manning's stretch handoffs. Edge has been getting those handoffs for a LONG time, and is used to being half a yard outside of where he'd be when he gets the ball from Warner. I think he'd have some trouble adjusting at first.

 

[Traders2001]

I think Edge in Arizona would be a sharp upgrade from Arrington and Shipp (not saying much obviously), but a meaningful dip from his Indy numbers.

I just can't see him putting up the numbers he did in the machine we call the Indy offense. Still, by the sheer number of touches he'd get, I think he'd be a virtual lock for top 10.

But do you know ( maybe not ) that he was a huge part of Indy's offense .I would say he was the most important part of this offense , without him MAnning will spend most afternoons lying on his back swaring at the front office because they did not keep Edge.

They signed Wayne to a huge contract ( huge mistake ) a WR like wayne are very easy to find but a RB like James forget it .

He might actually do better in a Cards offense . How many times did Warner had to throw inside the opponent 20 cause they had zero running game ( that is mostly because they did not have a real NFL rb on their roster .

Maybe less rushing yards but definitely more receiving yards and TD's.

And the Colts out of the playoffs , no one can replace Ege within the next 2 years .

( Maroney , Addai , White rookies or any free agent available ) you would need to put all those guys together to make it even close to Edge .

 

[Jobber]

I think Edge in Arizona would be a sharp upgrade from Arrington and Shipp (not saying much obviously), but a meaningful dip from his Indy numbers.

I just can't see him putting up the numbers he did in the machine we call the Indy offense. Still, by the sheer number of touches he'd get, I think he'd be a virtual lock for top 10.

But do you know ( maybe not ) that he was a huge part of Indy's offense .I would say he was the most important part of this offense , without him MAnning will spend most afternoons lying on his back swaring at the front office because they did not keep Edge.

They signed Wayne to a huge contract ( huge mistake ) a WR like wayne are very easy to find but a RB like James forget it .

He might actually do better in a Cards offense . How many times did Warner had to throw inside the opponent 20 cause they had zero running game ( that is mostly because they did not have a real NFL rb on their roster .

Maybe less rushing yards but definitely more receiving yards and TD's.

And the Colts out of the playoffs , no one can replace Ege within the next 2 years .

( Maroney , Addai , White rookies or any free agent available ) you would need to put all those guys together to make it even close to Edge .

A lot of the reason Manning did so well is because defenses had to account for James. Notice how many of the Indy plays were Play Action. Defenses had to respect it - leaving the receivers more open.

 

[mueller54]

I guess money IS more important than a championship because he will never win one playing there,at least not during his tenure .

With Manning in Indy who says they WILL win one It's alot easier to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC vs AFC too

 

[Mr. Vegas]

I guess money IS more important than a championship because he will never win one playing there,at least not during his tenure .

With Manning in Indy who says they WILL win one It's alot easier to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC vs AFC too

It's alot easier to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC vs AFC too.He means Eli.

 

[mueller54]

I guess money IS more important than a championship because he will never win one playing there,at least not during his tenure .

With Manning in Indy who says they WILL win one It's alot easier to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC vs AFC too

It's alot easier to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC vs AFC too.He means Eli.

Umm..No, they he was saying Edge won't win a championship in Zona and I was saying he'll have an easier shot at getting there than Indy

 

[SammyJankis]

Quick update. One of the guys on the ASFN board was snooping around on the Cardinals web site and found this page. (Which obviously wasn't linked to any main page):

James SignsThe Arizona Cardinals Football Club has agreed to a x year contract with running back Edgerrin James. In accordance to team policy terms of the deal were not disclosed.As an eight-year NFL veteran James has rushed for over 1,000 yards in six of his eight years in the league. In each of his past two seasons with the Indianapolis Colts James has rushed for over 1,500 yards.As a two-year starter at the University of Miami, James was the only player in school history to record consecutive seasons of over 1,000 rushing yards. The Immokalee, Florida native went on to be the fourth overall draft pick in the 1999 NFL Draft by the Colts.James signing marks the third free agent deal the Cardinals have completed this offseason.

This was really posted earlier, but may not mean anything. They could have typed up one of these for every guy they bring it, and then simply don't publish it if something works out. On the other hand, the fact that the Cards have already written this up, gives me some hope as a Cards fan.

 

[xWeaselx]

Remember that one reason I lot of people felt the running game in Arizona has always struggled is because of the sun killing the OL. Starting this year they play in a dome

 

[cstu]

I think Edge in Arizona would be a sharp upgrade from Arrington and Shipp (not saying much obviously), but a meaningful dip from his Indy numbers.

I just can't see him putting up the numbers he did in the machine we call the Indy offense. Still, by the sheer number of touches he'd get, I think he'd be a virtual lock for top 10.

But do you know ( maybe not ) that he was a huge part of Indy's offense .I would say he was the most important part of this offense , without him MAnning will spend most afternoons lying on his back swaring at the front office because they did not keep Edge.

They signed Wayne to a huge contract ( huge mistake ) a WR like wayne are very easy to find but a RB like James forget it .

He might actually do better in a Cards offense . How many times did Warner had to throw inside the opponent 20 cause they had zero running game ( that is mostly because they did not have a real NFL rb on their roster .

Maybe less rushing yards but definitely more receiving yards and TD's.

And the Colts out of the playoffs , no one can replace Ege within the next 2 years .

( Maroney , Addai , White rookies or any free agent available ) you would need to put all those guys together to make it even close to Edge .

A lot of the reason Manning did so well is because defenses had to account for James. Notice how many of the Indy plays were Play Action. Defenses had to respect it - leaving the receivers more open.

I'm expecting a down year for the Colts, especially early in the season. I don't expect defenses to respect the run and won't bite on the play-action until they get burned by it. Whoever the RB could have some decent games early because of it.

 

[DrJ]

I think Edge in Arizona would be a sharp upgrade from Arrington and Shipp (not saying much obviously), but a meaningful dip from his Indy numbers.

I just can't see him putting up the numbers he did in the machine we call the Indy offense. Still, by the sheer number of touches he'd get, I think he'd be a virtual lock for top 10.

But do you know ( maybe not ) that he was a huge part of Indy's offense .I would say he was the most important part of this offense , without him MAnning will spend most afternoons lying on his back swaring at the front office because they did not keep Edge.

They signed Wayne to a huge contract ( huge mistake ) a WR like wayne are very easy to find but a RB like James forget it .

He might actually do better in a Cards offense . How many times did Warner had to throw inside the opponent 20 cause they had zero running game ( that is mostly because they did not have a real NFL rb on their roster .

Maybe less rushing yards but definitely more receiving yards and TD's.

And the Colts out of the playoffs , no one can replace Ege within the next 2 years .

( Maroney , Addai , White rookies or any free agent available ) you would need to put all those guys together to make it even close to Edge .

A lot of the reason Manning did so well is because defenses had to account for James. Notice how many of the Indy plays were Play Action. Defenses had to respect it - leaving the receivers more open.

I'm expecting a down year for the Colts, especially early in the season. I don't expect defenses to respect the run and won't bite on the play-action until they get burned by it. Whoever the RB could have some decent games early because of it.

There was a 2 year stretch whever just about every RB on the roster was recovering from a torn knee or nursing some other misc injury. And they just plugged in garbage RB's and kept going.NFL-wise, they may have a down year. It's hard not to after starting 13-0 this season anyways. But they'll still make the playoffs, because of Manning. FFwise, I would upgrade Manning, Harrison, and Wayne on this news before I would downgrade them, because it is very likely that they will go back to using the pass to set up the run, like they did in those days. If anything, Manning's first half of the season was ruined by the run oriented/defensive style of play.

 

[DrJ]

I think Edge in Arizona would be a sharp upgrade from Arrington and Shipp (not saying much obviously), but a meaningful dip from his Indy numbers.

I just can't see him putting up the numbers he did in the machine we call the Indy offense. Still, by the sheer number of touches he'd get, I think he'd be a virtual lock for top 10.

But do you know ( maybe not ) that he was a huge part of Indy's offense .I would say he was the most important part of this offense , without him MAnning will spend most afternoons lying on his back swaring at the front office because they did not keep Edge.

They signed Wayne to a huge contract ( huge mistake ) a WR like wayne are very easy to find but a RB like James forget it .

He might actually do better in a Cards offense . How many times did Warner had to throw inside the opponent 20 cause they had zero running game ( that is mostly because they did not have a real NFL rb on their roster .

Maybe less rushing yards but definitely more receiving yards and TD's.

And the Colts out of the playoffs , no one can replace Ege within the next 2 years .

( Maroney , Addai , White rookies or any free agent available ) you would need to put all those guys together to make it even close to Edge .

Yes, we do know that he wasn't the most important part of the offense.Who is James Mungro? Who is Dominic Rhodes? Who is RW2? Answer: the garbage that the Colts won with when Edge's knee was messed up and he was getting injured every other week when coming back.

The Colts have won before without Edge. They had a very prolific offense before without Edge.

 

[Otis]

Remember that one reason I lot of people felt the running game in Arizona has always struggled is because of the sun killing the OL. Starting this year they play in a dome

Did the defenses have umbrellas?

 

[S.K.A.]

Remember that one reason I lot of people felt the running game in Arizona has always struggled is because of the sun killing the OL. Starting this year they play in a dome

Yeah, I am not buying this one either.

 

[DrJ]

Remember that one reason I lot of people felt the running game in Arizona has always struggled is because of the sun killing the OL. Starting this year they play in a dome

Yeah, I am not buying this one either.

No kidding - how do you explain the fact that opposing teams ran all over them then?

 

[cstu]

I think Edge in Arizona would be a sharp upgrade from Arrington and Shipp (not saying much obviously), but a meaningful dip from his Indy numbers.

I just can't see him putting up the numbers he did in the machine we call the Indy offense. Still, by the sheer number of touches he'd get, I think he'd be a virtual lock for top 10.

But do you know ( maybe not ) that he was a huge part of Indy's offense .I would say he was the most important part of this offense , without him MAnning will spend most afternoons lying on his back swaring at the front office because they did not keep Edge.

They signed Wayne to a huge contract ( huge mistake ) a WR like wayne are very easy to find but a RB like James forget it .

He might actually do better in a Cards offense . How many times did Warner had to throw inside the opponent 20 cause they had zero running game ( that is mostly because they did not have a real NFL rb on their roster .

Maybe less rushing yards but definitely more receiving yards and TD's.

And the Colts out of the playoffs , no one can replace Ege within the next 2 years .

( Maroney , Addai , White rookies or any free agent available ) you would need to put all those guys together to make it even close to Edge .

Yes, we do know that he wasn't the most important part of the offense.Who is James Mungro? Who is Dominic Rhodes? Who is RW2? Answer: the garbage that the Colts won with when Edge's knee was messed up and he was getting injured every other week when coming back.

The Colts have won before without Edge. They had a very prolific offense before without Edge.

The Colts were 6-10 in 2001 when Edge tore his ACL. They were 3-3 in the games he played before getting hurt and 3-7 with Rhodes, even though he put up good numbers.

 

[DrJ]

I think Edge in Arizona would be a sharp upgrade from Arrington and Shipp (not saying much obviously), but a meaningful dip from his Indy numbers.

I just can't see him putting up the numbers he did in the machine we call the Indy offense. Still, by the sheer number of touches he'd get, I think he'd be a virtual lock for top 10.

But do you know ( maybe not ) that he was a huge part of Indy's offense .I would say he was the most important part of this offense , without him MAnning will spend most afternoons lying on his back swaring at the front office because they did not keep Edge.

They signed Wayne to a huge contract ( huge mistake ) a WR like wayne are very easy to find but a RB like James forget it .

He might actually do better in a Cards offense . How many times did Warner had to throw inside the opponent 20 cause they had zero running game ( that is mostly because they did not have a real NFL rb on their roster .

Maybe less rushing yards but definitely more receiving yards and TD's.

And the Colts out of the playoffs , no one can replace Ege within the next 2 years .

( Maroney , Addai , White rookies or any free agent available ) you would need to put all those guys together to make it even close to Edge .

Yes, we do know that he wasn't the most important part of the offense.Who is James Mungro? Who is Dominic Rhodes? Who is RW2? Answer: the garbage that the Colts won with when Edge's knee was messed up and he was getting injured every other week when coming back.

The Colts have won before without Edge. They had a very prolific offense before without Edge.

The Colts were 6-10 in 2001 when Edge tore his ACL. They were 3-3 in the games he played before getting hurt and 3-7 with Rhodes, even though he put up good numbers.

In 01 they had issues, but as you pointed out they weren't doing spectacularly anyways, and even with Edge in there where they were 3-3. And it was a defensive collapse more than anything. The offense was terrific, and ranked in the top 5-10 in every rushing category. They were 2nd in passing yards, 6th in passing TD's, 2nd in total yards. Manning's Int's did kick up, but a lot of that was the fact that they were playing from behind in about EVERY game. They were 28th in pass yards against, 30th in pass TD's, 25th in rush yards against, 29th in rush TD's against, and 29th in total yards against.In 02, when he was bad (3.6 YPC, 2 TD), got dinged, and didn't even hit 1000 yards, they went 10-6.

In 03, he was horrible over the first 10 weeks of the season, got dinged again and missed weeks 4-7, and they were 7-2 at the 10 week point.

At this point, a good portion FF community didn't even believe James was an elite back anymore.

Are they a better team with Edge? Of course. But outside of 01 where the defense was a sieve, they have proven time and again that they can win without him, or without him producing at a high level. And in EVERY season, they proved that the offense could move the ball just fine without him.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I guess money IS more important than a championship because he will never win one playing there,at least not during his tenure .

Dont be so narrowed minded. He has a very decent chance at a championship. Have you ever heard of a team turning around? Just like the Rams did AZ will do the same.As for Edge #'s it's hard to say. He does play a weaker division so that should help. I also believe if he signs the O-line will be fixed.

 

[kook178]

Just signed. See other thread.

 

[Raider Nation]

I guess money IS more important than a championship because he will never win one playing there,at least not during his tenure .

With Manning in Indy who says they WILL win one It's alot easier to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC vs AFC too

It's alot easier to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC vs AFC too.He means Eli.

Umm.. No, he was saying Edge won't win a championship in Zona and I was saying he'll have an easier shot at getting there than Indy.

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